A 3-0 home defeat at the hands of Spennymoor sees Lynn drop to 9th position and out of the play off places.
Kings Lynn 0 v 3 Spennymoor.
Att: 1344.
(Apparently it was Academy day today).
Have to think that Pink maybe hits that nail firmly in the head. 3 hours plus travelling to watch that. Have to say think that's me for the season. First half we never laid a glove. Despite 5 substitutions we did little more than huff and puff. I hope AL man's up in his post match interview and calls it as it is. Way off it today. Soft I would say. Didn't want it enough. Full time Lynn v part time Spenny, who have travelled, 5 hours. Serious questions need asking.
In a word inconsistent. I'm levelling that at players and the Manager.
Poor today - outclassed and outplayed. Can't see that we'll get more than a handful more points this season. It's been a decent season and we're much improved on last year but not good enough for a play-off place. We have to build for next season...keep the best and clear out those not good enough. Will AL stay? I hope so, but who knows.
Quote from: DougJR on March 15, 2025, 05:05:08 PM
Poor today - outclassed and outplayed. Can't see that we'll get more than a handful more points this season. It's been a decent season and we're much improved on last year but not good enough for a play-off place. We have to build for next season...keep the best and clear out those not good enough. Will AL stay? I hope so, but who knows.
This is a Lakeland team. Who needs to go Doug?
I'm here to represent the most annoying supporters - the ones who don't go as we are awaiting warmer climes and a better team. My beef is with the manager; in a game we should certainly have looked to win to maintain any chance of a play-off place, Al, like so many managers at all levels, leaves the fastest and trickiest player, Crane, on the bench, presumably preferring some kind of Subbuteo formation to picking the players most likely to actually create chances. I fear we have found our level. The support, the stadium, the team, and the financial side simply don't look like an enterprise likely to go any higher. I wish us all well, but reality is possibly beginning to surface...
Quote from: dillydilly on March 15, 2025, 05:20:26 PM
I'm here to represent the most annoying supporters - the ones who don't go as we are awaiting warmer climes and a better team. My beef is with the manager; in a game we should certainly have looked to win to maintain any chance of a play-off place, Al, like so many managers at all levels, leaves the fastest and trickiest player, Crane, on the bench, presumably preferring some kind of Subbuteo formation to picking the players most likely to actually create chances. I fear we have found our level. The support, the stadium, the team, and the financial side simply don't look like an enterprise likely to go any higher. I wish us all well, but reality is possibly beginning to surface...
Our level Dilly? For the reasons you mention (support, stadium, team), I believe that our true level maybe one step below where we are at the moment. Clubs and their supporters can't continue to be reliant on others subsidising their Saturday afternoon entertainment by lumping loads of money in. Without the money Jo has already donated this season, we would almost certainly have hit major financial problems a year ago.
If Jo doesn't continue next season (and I'm led to believe there's now some serious doubts he will), surely this level is too high for us to compete at financially. :dontknow:
Apparently the Chairman is actively looking for investors again, as well as contacting some supporters for donations, which does make me wonder if Jo has already turned the tap off.
As for AL, I'll defend him again. I really don't think he's had sufficient funds made available to him that are required to succeed at this level.The reason being (maybe) the Club just hasn't got the funds to give him.
No shame in that in this day and age.
Peterborough Sports sit one place below us in the League B&G. How does Lakeland's budget compare to Gash's budget would you think ?
Quote from: Mallard on March 15, 2025, 06:53:23 PM
Peterborough Sports sit one place below us in the League B&G. How does Lakeland's budget compare to Gash's budget would you think ?
Better road links and geographical location means that players join on less money. :laughcry:
and maybe a better Manager who gets value for money from his players. I bet Sports didnt have 8 players who didn't make their match day squad today.
But Fryatt travels to Peterborough to play and train Blue & Gold instead of playing for his local team. Should never been let go, something else we can thank Culverhouse for.
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 15, 2025, 06:41:43 PM
Quote from: dillydilly on March 15, 2025, 05:20:26 PM
I'm here to represent the most annoying supporters - the ones who don't go as we are awaiting warmer climes and a better team. My beef is with the manager; in a game we should certainly have looked to win to maintain any chance of a play-off place, Al, like so many managers at all levels, leaves the fastest and trickiest player, Crane, on the bench, presumably preferring some kind of Subbuteo formation to picking the players most likely to actually create chances. I fear we have found our level. The support, the stadium, the team, and the financial side simply don't look like an enterprise likely to go any higher. I wish us all well, but reality is possibly beginning to surface...
Our level Dilly? For the reasons you mention (support, stadium, team), I believe that our true level maybe one step below where we are at the moment. Clubs and their supporters can't continue to be reliant on others subsidising their Saturday afternoon entertainment by lumping loads of money in. Without the money Jo has already donated this season, we would almost certainly have hit major financial problems a year ago.
If Jo doesn't continue next season (and I'm led to believe there's now some serious doubts he will), surely this level is too high for us to compete at financially. :dontknow:
Apparently the Chairman is actively looking for investors again, as well as contacting some supporters for donations, which does make me wonder if Jo has already turned the tap off.
As for AL, I'll defend him again. I really don't think he's had sufficient funds made available to him that are required to succeed at this level.The reason being (maybe) the Club just hasn't got the funds to give him.
No shame in that in this day and age.
B&G, I agree with all of the early part of the post regarding 'our level' and the reliance on outside income.
Where I would take issue is defending AL, even if he may not have the funds he would like (what manager ever does) he has a full time squad that he works with week in, week out and they are virtually all signings he has made. What is sorely lacking on the playing side is any connection to the local area and whilst SC knew when he appointed AL that he was north west based, the lack of any visible link with Peterborough, Cambridge or Norwich (or indeed anyone outside of the north west) is starting to be more and more apparent. Some stark decisions may need to be made in terms of full/part time next season and whether that process could be managed by SC is certainly open to question.
Interesting comments Tony. If there is no Jo next season and no other outside investment coming into the Club then maybe part time will be the natural outcome. We were discussing this on the way home tonight. As a part time Club who would the fans want in as Manager?
A. Jimmy Dean B. Michael Gash C. Gary Setchell. All 3 hare enjoying reasonably successful years at varying levels.
Who would Lynn fans go for ?
Quote from: TonyM on March 15, 2025, 07:17:09 PM
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 15, 2025, 06:41:43 PM
Quote from: dillydilly on March 15, 2025, 05:20:26 PM
I'm here to represent the most annoying supporters - the ones who don't go as we are awaiting warmer climes and a better team. My beef is with the manager; in a game we should certainly have looked to win to maintain any chance of a play-off place, Al, like so many managers at all levels, leaves the fastest and trickiest player, Crane, on the bench, presumably preferring some kind of Subbuteo formation to picking the players most likely to actually create chances. I fear we have found our level. The support, the stadium, the team, and the financial side simply don't look like an enterprise likely to go any higher. I wish us all well, but reality is possibly beginning to surface...
Our level Dilly? For the reasons you mention (support, stadium, team), I believe that our true level maybe one step below where we are at the moment. Clubs and their supporters can't continue to be reliant on others subsidising their Saturday afternoon entertainment by lumping loads of money in. Without the money Jo has already donated this season, we would almost certainly have hit major financial problems a year ago.
If Jo doesn't continue next season (and I'm led to believe there's now some serious doubts he will), surely this level is too high for us to compete at financially. :dontknow:
Apparently the Chairman is actively looking for investors again, as well as contacting some supporters for donations, which does make me wonder if Jo has already turned the tap off.
As for AL, I'll defend him again. I really don't think he's had sufficient funds made available to him that are required to succeed at this level.The reason being (maybe) the Club just hasn't got the funds to give him.
No shame in that in this day and age.
B&G, I agree with all of the early part of the post regarding 'our level' and the reliance on outside income.
Where I would take issue is defending AL, even if he may not have the funds he would like (what manager ever does) he has a full time squad that he works with week in, week out and they are virtually all signings he has made. What is sorely lacking on the playing side is any connection to the local area and whilst SC knew when he appointed AL that he was north west based, the lack of any visible link with Peterborough, Cambridge or Norwich (or indeed anyone outside of the north west) is starting to be more and more apparent. Some stark decisions may need to be made in terms of full/part time next season and whether that process could be managed by SC is certainly open to question.
Hi Tony
Yes, AL signed the majority of the players, but would he have signed any (or some) if he had the funds he really required?
Surely it's a case of doing the best with what he has available to him.
So are you suggesting that Cleeve got his managerial appointment wrong again, albeit this time with a capable manager but one with no local connections which is a hindrance when looking to sign players ? I suppose I could go along with that one, although presumably Lakeland would have known this and also how much of a playing budget he would need to counteract this.
Of course all this comes back to not having the correct structure in place both when club reformed and when Cleeve took over.
All Clubs, all business's, all organisations require a solid base to build from. Chucking loads of money in and hoping for/buying instant success can ultimately only end in one way.
Quote from: Blueboy on March 15, 2025, 07:14:51 PM
But Fryatt travels to Peterborough to play and train Blue & Gold instead of playing for his local team. Should never been let go, something else we can thank Culverhouse for.
Big shame young Fryatt left. Playing at NL level was a big ssk for him at the time but it was obvious to most that he'd get there.
Although he left on Culverhouse's watch, I don't think him leaving was 100% down to Culverhouse.
Obviously I'm fully respectful that everyone on this forum has the health and prospects of the club at heart, but I'm a little concerned to see the occasional suggestion of local players as a possible cure for our current problems. I genuinely believe that that would be a recipe for a return to the United Counties League! How many people are involved in the running of the club? And by "Club", I mean all aspects, bar, ground, etc., even changing the "Next match" board on the fence? Is anyone computer literate? (Not sarcasm, there, I mean can do more than "surf"? - which doesn't include me! There are decent financial opportunities online for those who can...
First game back and had to watch this display of poor football we where not at the races today, my biggest Gripe is we had two good wingers on the bench this beggars belief and today was as though he picked a team not to lose it's the first time ever that I left the ground before the end of the game
Be my last game of the season,falling out of love with the team,may go and watch Heacham! :banghead;
The calling out of players publicly is poor from Lakeland.There is never any self reflection at all and any poor result never ends up at his door.The players are good enough for this level if they are allowed to play.The system seems to be caution first and not conceding and that's it.Full time status appears to have no advantage and most games have had zero entertainment value for the overpaying fans.
Maybe some of those you mention Kitty are no longer with the Club.
One or two seem to think if we had local players its a dead cert we would be back in the UCL. Well I think we could have a good mix of both, local and semi pro, look at the good local talent we have let go on the cheap, players like Joe Taylor, who scored for Huddersfield yesterday, comes to mind.
The biggest disapointment is that we are a full time club, and i for one have yet to see any benefit. As for the manager, well sorry he is nowhere the best in the league, as has been said we seem to set up not to lose, which doesnt work, two good attacking wide players on the bench? Ive seen enough this season. The club needs a clear out from top to bottom.
Not so sure about the bottom Mac. There's still a few around giving their time for nothing. Who should be appreciated.
Quote from: macfleetwood1 on March 16, 2025, 10:52:56 AM
One or two seem to think if we had local players its a dead cert we would be back in the UCL. Well I think we could have a good mix of both, local and semi pro, look at the good local talent we have let go on the cheap, players like Joe Taylor, who scored for Huddersfield yesterday, comes to mind.
The biggest disapointment is that we are a full time club, and i for one have yet to see any benefit. As for the manager, well sorry he is nowhere the best in the league, as has been said we seem to set up not to lose, which doesnt work, two good attacking wide players on the bench? Ive seen enough this season. The club needs a clear out from top to bottom.
Just one point here that I believe to be important.
It's not Lakeland that claims he's the best Manager in the League. I've never actually seen anything where he has ever said that.
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 16, 2025, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: macfleetwood1 on March 16, 2025, 10:52:56 AM
One or two seem to think if we had local players its a dead cert we would be back in the UCL. Well I think we could have a good mix of both, local and semi pro, look at the good local talent we have let go on the cheap, players like Joe Taylor, who scored for Huddersfield yesterday, comes to mind.
The biggest disapointment is that we are a full time club, and i for one have yet to see any benefit. As for the manager, well sorry he is nowhere the best in the league, as has been said we seem to set up not to lose, which doesnt work, two good attacking wide players on the bench? Ive seen enough this season. The club needs a clear out from top to bottom.
Just one point here that I believe to be important.
It's not Lakeland that claims he's the best Manager in the League. I've never actually seen anything where he has ever said that.
I think it was 'the best club owner' in the league who made that statement?
Who also claimed we had the best Ass Manager in the League. So does that mean yesterday's result is 100% on the players? In the owners eyes.
I went yesterday for the first time since Warrington. Why would I want to go again anytime soon, it was so dire. Long ball all day long looking for Omotayo, who doesn't jump, or if he does he fouls. The players and style of football is down to AL. The attendances make it difficult to fund full time football and I can't see that continuing next season. It's time for a new manager (Culverhouse back) who wants to play passing football instead of long ball.
Quote from: John H on March 16, 2025, 06:29:34 PM
I went yesterday for the first time since Warrington. Why would I want to go again anytime soon, it was so dire. Long ball all day long looking for Omotayo, who doesn't jump, or if he does he fouls. The players and style of football is down to AL. The attendances make it difficult to fund full time football and I can't see that continuing next season. It's time for a new manager (Culverhouse back) who wants to play passing football instead of long ball.
Agree with that John. Cully made us play exciting football. Not sure how many would still be in the starting lineup if he should ever decide to come back - few I suspect, but then he made a decent side out of part-timers :oldman"
I saw a piece on Boston United yesterday, and they have announced that they will indeed be going full time next season, what ever level they are playing at. I feel they are better equipped to succeed
As I watched the first half play out, I thought we'd just carried on from the second half of Tuesday night. And it didn't get any better.
There was almost zero to get behind in terms of positive football throughout the match. We were extremely lucky not to have gone three or four down by half time. And it had more to do with them missing, than us defending.
Jones came out of his area twice inexplicably and I still don't understand his motivation at all. The ball was cleared off the line at least three times by others when Jones was in the "wrong" place.
Now I'm certainly not going to lay all of the blame at his feet. The back line should really shield him from most of the attacks. And there were often six of them.
If you want to play the sitting back and defending style of football, THE BACK LINE HAS TO BE STRONG ENOUGH TO WARRANT THAT CHOICE !!!!!!!!! GUESS WHAT... IT'S NOT!!!!!
(sorry, I was channeling "Trump texting" for a moment 😏)
From my lofty seat at the back of the stand, I can tell people with a different view that a couple of times we had all 10 players defending and nowhere near the halfway line. If we got a quick break, there was nothing to do but wait for the next attack.
And I must defend Omatayo, I clearly saw him jump...once. It came to nothing, but I guess at least he tried 🙄
(Note to management...he was no ****ing good when he left. What possessed you to welcome him back ? Nothing has changed. Unless he's playing for free, he's overrated and overpaid.)
I deplore negative playing and defending, defending, defending. It's hideous and terrifying to watch, but I could put up with that if we're scoring too.
Whilst I defend people's right to boo, my personal view is that it doesn't help the players. They know they're having a mare and really don't need reminding. Simply unconstructive IMHO.
That said, I seriously considered leaving just after half time. It would have been only the second or third time in getting on for twenty years of watching Lynn.
My season ticket is looking ever more like a waste of money 🎫 🧻🚽
Perhaps by the time of the next home game, I might have forgotten how truly bad yesterday was. But without vast improvement, the gate will really struggle to reach the higher hundreds. And it doesn't bode well for our future.
Just imagine where we would be if we didn't play this rather dull style of football? We could very easily be occupying a top 3 position and that's not impossible with the majority of this squad that we have as they have shown on a few occasions what they're capable of. A few tweaks over the summer and a general change in philosophy by the manager and I have no doubt next season we will be up there. In my opinion I think it has been another poor league where if any team had something about them they would be walking away with it by now.
Oh well, let's just see the season out and see where we end up. I'll carry on turning up and supporting the club through thick and thin :scarf: :scarf:
I think we could moan about Saturday all day, but come to think about it , our home form has been dire, Played 20 at home and won 10, the creative players dont seem to feature most weeks, Tommy Hughes is wasted at Lynn, we just want players to chase after a big boot up the field. Two decent wide players, on the bench, no system? Oh there is, but the players on the park are getting it wrong?
Play offs? Dont bother.
Quote from: Mallard on March 15, 2025, 07:33:48 PM
Interesting comments Tony. If there is no Jo next season and no other outside investment coming into the Club then maybe part time will be the natural outcome. We were discussing this on the way home tonight. As a part time Club who would the fans want in as Manager?
A. Jimmy Dean B. Michael Gash C. Gary Setchell. All 3 hare enjoying reasonably successful years at varying levels.
Who would Lynn fans go for ?
If those were the only choices (god help us) it would have to be Gash (with Luke Steele).
Quote from: Paul47 on March 17, 2025, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: Mallard on March 15, 2025, 07:33:48 PM
Interesting comments Tony. If there is no Jo next season and no other outside investment coming into the Club then maybe part time will be the natural outcome. We were discussing this on the way home tonight. As a part time Club who would the fans want in as Manager?
A. Jimmy Dean B. Michael Gash C. Gary Setchell. All 3 hare enjoying reasonably successful years at varying levels.
Who would Lynn fans go for ?
If those were the only choices (god help us) it would have to be Gash (with Luke Steele).
Need more than God to help us! :pray:
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 17, 2025, 12:52:14 PM
Quote from: Paul47 on March 17, 2025, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: Mallard on March 15, 2025, 07:33:48 PM
Interesting comments Tony. If there is no Jo next season and no other outside investment coming into the Club then maybe part time will be the natural outcome. We were discussing this on the way home tonight. As a part time Club who would the fans want in as Manager?
A. Jimmy Dean B. Michael Gash C. Gary Setchell. All 3 hare enjoying reasonably successful years at varying levels.
Who would Lynn fans go for ?
If those were the only choices (god help us) it would have to be Gash (with Luke Steele).
Need more than God to help us! :pray:
I thought that 'God' was running the club
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 17, 2025, 12:52:14 PM
Quote from: Paul47 on March 17, 2025, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: Mallard on March 15, 2025, 07:33:48 PM
Interesting comments Tony. If there is no Jo next season and no other outside investment coming into the Club then maybe part time will be the natural outcome. We were discussing this on the way home tonight. As a part time Club who would the fans want in as Manager?
A. Jimmy Dean B. Michael Gash C. Gary Setchell. All 3 hare enjoying reasonably successful years at varying levels.
Who would Lynn fans go for ?
If those were the only choices (god help us) it would have to be Gash (with Luke Steele).
Need more than God to help us! :pray:
Maybe SC could find us another Simon Clark or Mark Hughes. Then you are spot on with God help us Paul. :laughcry:
Sometimes it's better the devil you know
Quote from: Mallard on March 17, 2025, 01:46:27 PM
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 17, 2025, 12:52:14 PM
Quote from: Paul47 on March 17, 2025, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: Mallard on March 15, 2025, 07:33:48 PM
Interesting comments Tony. If there is no Jo next season and no other outside investment coming into the Club then maybe part time will be the natural outcome. We were discussing this on the way home tonight. As a part time Club who would the fans want in as Manager?
A. Jimmy Dean B. Michael Gash C. Gary Setchell. All 3 hare enjoying reasonably successful years at varying levels.
Who would Lynn fans go for ?
If those were the only choices (god help us) it would have to be Gash (with Luke Steele).
Need more than God to help us! :pray:
Maybe SC could find us another Simon Clark or Mark Hughes. Then you are spot on with God help us Paul. :laughcry:
Sometimes it's better the devil you know
You're obviously easily pleased if you'd want Setchell or Dean here as manager!
I guess people see things differently and hindsight being a wonderful thing.
Setch did a decent job at Lynn gaining a couple of promotions then maybe a few average season but on what was a very limited budget. Also did a reasonable job with Bedford and now at Corby, again working on a limited budget with a part time set up. I certainly wouldn't dismiss him as a candidate.
As for Jimmy Dean, worked wonders with Sports brining them through from Step 5 to step 2. Full time time at Scunny with high expectations didn't work out so well. Now seems to be doing a decent job with Spalding at Step 3. So again I wouldn't just write him off.
Be interesting to know your ideal candidate Paul, who could do a job at Step 2 with a part time outfit.
Kind of irrelevant really considering we're not a part time club....unless you know something even the club don't.
Dean only got Peterborough promoted due to a big budget and them "forgetting" to pay the tax bill. Allegedly has a big budget at Spalding....if rumours of what a certain former ex-Lynn striker is on are true, Sembie-Ferris is another who isn't on peanuts so to speak. Out of his depth at step 2 - the biggest budget in the league and flopped at Scunthorpe.
Setchell does a decent job wherever he goes, and always keep an eye out on how he id doing, but I'm a believer in never going back and not sure he's the right manager to get a club out of step 2 which obviously this club want to do.
Dean did a decent job at Sports at step 2. Agree though he couldn't handle the high pressure job at Scunny. I'll bow to your much greater knowledge of finances he is working with at Spalding as I have no idea on such matters.
My original post was just a little toe in the water based on what IF next season we didn't continue working with full time squad. I'm sure if the full time mantra is continued with then Lakeland will be at the helm.
Interestingly Culverhouse managed to get out the Club up into step one with a relatively locally based squad, on a part time basis. History teaches us much.
Quote from: A Well Wisher on March 17, 2025, 10:52:29 AM
Just imagine where we would be if we didn't play this rather dull style of football? We could very easily be occupying a top 3 position and that's not impossible with the majority of this squad that we have as they have shown on a few occasions what they're capable of. A few tweaks over the summer and a general change in philosophy by the manager and I have no doubt next season we will be up there. In my opinion I think it has been another poor league where if any team had something about them they would be walking away with it by now.
Oh well, let's just see the season out and see where we end up. I'll carry on turning up and supporting the club through thick and thin :scarf: :scarf:
I think we need much more than a 'few tweaks'. We've not had a reliable forward all season, we simply haven't scored enough goals. The manager isn't going to change his style of football, we would be much better in replacing him. He has had his chance with 'his team' and not really impressed. We play unattractive, boring to watch football, long ball looking for Omotayo who just doesn't cut it. It's time for a change of manager.
Glad I was away on holiday.
Is the club going to be here next season with rumours re Joe and costs. Is Sc jumping ship as he is running out of cash?
Without serious backers and crowds of 800 we cannot afford FT football.
if PT next season where are we getting these wonderful local players everyone keeps going on about.
Will AL and et al go?
If so who will come to manage the mess left?
Step forward an oracle cos I can't see this carrying on.