:oldman" I personally have not commented on the forum as much recently as I used too, due mostly down to the fact I have moved from King's Lynn and don't attend matches as regularly as I have done for over 40 years. I however felt it was time to come back and say my piece, I feel we are now almost definitely out of the playoff picture (hope I'm wrong), but this team what I have seen of it is INCONSISTENT to say the least, BEST MANAGER IN THE LEAGUE, come on, who you trying to fool, it's now his team and it just doesn't cut the mustard. I personally think we have lost out on the playoffs because we have dropped far too many points at the Walks, yesterday was a very good opportunity to take 3 points against a part time team who had a long coach journey, but again we blew the opportunity. I will now definitely not attend again this season and we will see what happens in the close season. I think a more local manager with local links towards players around the East Midlands/ Yorkshire region is what we require, not North west based. Give Gashy a chance in my opinion, done very well with a limited budget,but would he come is the big question!
Dazzarugby65, thats the best post ive seen on the forum for a long while. But I think fans like you and me are wasting our time.
I am only surprised that has taken quite a while for some to come to the conclusion that our club has become disconnected from many of its most loyal and long term supporters. As i have stated on numerous occasions, those that control the club do not understand the difference between a supporter and a customer. We have become a club that has 'lost its soul'.
I still follow from a distance and much miss match day at the Walks but have no intention of returning under the present regime.
Careful.
If Jo withdraws his financial support you'll be blamed for causing that!
:glum:
Word on the terraces is its done and dusted and Jo is the new man on the block :dontknow:
Quote from: macfleetwood1 on March 16, 2025, 10:56:58 AM
Dazzarugby65, thats the best post ive seen on the forum for a long while. But I think fans like you and me are wasting our time.
I agree we are wasting our time MAC, just felt it was time to have my say on my personal opinion of all KLTFC, as I see it at this moment in the club's short history . Really disappointing.
Quote from: Jono on March 16, 2025, 06:50:26 PM
Word on the terraces is its done and dusted and Jo is the new man on the block :dontknow:
If you don't mind Jono, I'll wait for the club to communicate this to it's Supporters. :laughcry:
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 16, 2025, 07:23:23 PM
Quote from: Jono on March 16, 2025, 06:50:26 PM
Word on the terraces is its done and dusted and Jo is the new man on the block :dontknow:
If you don't mind Jono, I'll wait for the club to communicate this to it's Supporters. :laughcry:
Don't you mean "customers" 💰💰 or "mugs" 🍺🍺
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 16, 2025, 07:23:23 PM
Quote from: Jono on March 16, 2025, 06:50:26 PM
Word on the terraces is its done and dusted and Jo is the new man on the block :dontknow:
If you don't mind Jono, I'll wait for the club to communicate this to it's Supporters. :laughcry:
Doesn't usually stop you :phone:
Quote from: Paul47 on March 17, 2025, 12:24:08 PM
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 16, 2025, 07:23:23 PM
Quote from: Jono on March 16, 2025, 06:50:26 PM
Word on the terraces is its done and dusted and Jo is the new man on the block :dontknow:
If you don't mind Jono, I'll wait for the club to communicate this to it's Supporters. :laughcry:
Doesn't usually stop you :phone:
:laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
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Like you Dazza i attended my first game in 5 years having moved away , what a disappointment!
A Lynn team playing hoof ball, Lynn players pulling out of 50/50 tackles, no commitment, no desire. The club is not a NL outfit on or off the pitch that has to be rectified first. If this is full time football the sooner we return to part time the better! If the club goes p/t then I don't see AL staying so it'll be back to square one and rebuilding. In that scenario I'd go for Setch, Gash won't leave PS, Dean can only win with a cheque book in his hand. Setch would bring the crowds back, his teams always played with commitment, desire ,aggression and for the badge, I saw none of that.
I would have got better value for my £20 in TK Maxx!
From what I hear changes will be made at the top and by that I mean higher than the manager. Onwards and upwards UTL
Quote from: GrahamB on March 18, 2025, 06:31:34 AM
Like you Dazza i attended my first game in 5 years having moved away , what a disappointment!
A Lynn team playing hoof ball, Lynn players pulling out of 50/50 tackles, no commitment, no desire. The club is not a NL outfit on or off the pitch that has to be rectified first. If this is full time football the sooner we return to part time the better! If the club goes p/t then I don't see AL staying so it'll be back to square one and rebuilding. In that scenario I'd go for Setch, Gash won't leave PS, Dean can only win with a cheque book in his hand. Setch would bring the crowds back, his teams always played with commitment, desire ,aggression and for the badge, I saw none of that.
I would have got better value for my £20 in TK Maxx!
From what I hear changes will be made at the top and by that I mean higher than the manager. Onwards and upwards UTL
Well put Graham, you and I are only two , but there are many more disgruntled fans out there. I would say Setch again definitely, but again would he come. Jimmy Dean is as you say very good when he has money and I know for a fact, that players he has signed are on seriously good money for our level, let alone Spaldings level. This is all ifs and buts, still I think interesting times ahead, led by who ?.
Talking to a work colleague and Boston United fan today, Boston United confirm they will be going full time next season, irrespective of whether they get relegated. Should that be the case their chairman "wants to give them the best chance of promotion back to the National League". Maybe if we revert to part time and Omotayo wants to remain full time, then Boston will take him. Boston will be starting work soon on their new stand behind the goal. A shame we have stood still in that respect.
They got David Newton we got Stephen Cleeve.
Quote from: Mallard on March 18, 2025, 08:54:31 PM
They got David Newton we got Stephen Cleeve.
Agreed, but the difference is they inform their fans what is being planned and happening behind the scenes. The fans over there feel connected to the club.
Quote from: Dazzarugby65 on March 19, 2025, 05:33:19 AM
Quote from: Mallard on March 18, 2025, 08:54:31 PM
They got David Newton we got Stephen Cleeve.
Agreed, but the difference is they inform their fans what is being planned and happening behind the scenes. The fans over there feel connected to the club.
A community club that truly values its SUPPORTERS.
Quote from: rod on March 19, 2025, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: Dazzarugby65 on March 19, 2025, 05:33:19 AM
Quote from: Mallard on March 18, 2025, 08:54:31 PM
They got David Newton we got Stephen Cleeve.
Agreed, but the difference is they inform their fans what is being planned and happening behind the scenes. The fans over there feel connected to the club.
A community club that truly values its SUPPORTERS.
The Boston chairman has also had his fair share of critics even up until the last few weeks on how the club is run including lack of communication and backing Culverhouse for too long when it clearly wasn't working.
Yes Newton was too loyal to Culverhouse. Is that a good trait for a Chairman to have? Our Chairman did the same thing with Mark Hughes. As for Boston they have given themselves a massive chance of survival with last night's victory.
On your comment Paul of never going back and Culverhouse. It didn't do us any harm when he returned. Back to back Promotions, with a part time local team.
Quote from: Hello Kitty. on March 19, 2025, 06:03:59 PM
With David newton he has a track record of being a successful businessman and you can see and know what his business is and where his wealth comes from and what he's done over the years to get where he is now.He also took on a club that was on its knees after all the problems and fall out they had when Steve Evans was there.It must be nice to have a Chairman where you can actually see and check the facts
In a word, transparency?!
Quote from: Hello Kitty. on March 20, 2025, 09:14:48 AM
And he's got more than one suit.
:laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
As I stated at the beginning of this thread I feel our playoff chances have passed IMHO, hoping I'm wrong but tomorrow is definitely a game we are capable of winning, if we are to drop more points I see no way back for this season.
Quote from: Dazzarugby65 on March 21, 2025, 07:01:40 PM
As I stated at the beginning of this thread I feel our playoff chances have passed IMHO, hoping I'm wrong but tomorrow is definitely a game we are capable of winning, if we are to drop more points I see no way back for this season.
I don't see us getting back into a playoff place, let alone finishing in one. Really though, imagine if we did and somehow won promotion, we would then need a massive change of players to compete at National League.
Based on what I saw last Saturday, Buxton will have a comfortable afternoon tomorrow. AL has brought in a couple of decent midfielder's recently, if he can do the same with a couple of forwards before next season then we may have a better chance.
As I said in the original post,I hope I'm proven wrong in my original opinion, and the team has proved this to be the case at the present time, but picking up home wins are even more important now, we really need to bag these 3 points at the walks, had we have done this throughout the season, we would have been in a far healthier position regarding the playoffs, than we are at present. Still hopeful we can put a mini run together and get a playoff spot and I amongst others will be well and truly proven wrong.
I have never read such doom and gloom in my life I believe some on here need to spit on their hands and get a fresh hold
Quote from: m a hill on March 30, 2025, 11:26:29 PM
I have never read such doom and gloom in my life I believe some on here need to spit on their hands and get a fresh hold
Perhaps it all comes down to whether or not you believe 'the end justifies the means.' Some believe it does, some others do not?
Quote from: m a hill on March 30, 2025, 11:26:29 PM
I have never read such doom and gloom in my life I believe some on here need to spit on their hands and get a fresh hold
On this particular thread, some are only saying similar to what you have said in the past.
Quote from: m a hill on March 30, 2025, 11:26:29 PM
I have never read such doom and gloom in my life I believe some on here need to spit on their hands and get a fresh hold
Well said Malcolm!
Another good win on Saturday, and still in play offs. 5 big games to come.
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 31, 2025, 01:54:09 PM
Quote from: m a hill on March 30, 2025, 11:26:29 PM
I have never read such doom and gloom in my life I believe some on here need to spit on their hands and get a fresh hold
On this particular thread, some are only saying similar to what you have said in the past.
Well said B&G, spot on 🫡
Mr/Mrs/Ms ? Hill can't have it both ways. If he/she/they complain it's legitimate, but if anyone else has similar opinions at another time, they come under fire ☹️ Double standards don't sit well with me 😾
Quote from: m a hill on March 30, 2025, 11:26:29 PM
I have never read such doom and gloom in my life I believe some on here need to spit on their hands and get a fresh hold
Ok, so I was wrong about not getting back into the playoffs and I would love to see Lynn win promotion. I used to be an almost ever present at home games since the late 60's. We got into the National League and even had the benefit of a season there with no threat of relegation, which was just as well. Second season, we corrected nothing and got relegated. Following season we finished 24 or so points above Kidderminster and get stuffed by them at home in the playoffs. Since then I've been just 3 times, Scarborough at home, 3-0 up at half time and lost 4-3. Warrington at home, we won and then Spennymoor a couple of weeks ago, which was quite honestly embarrassing.
We have difficulty in scoring, but we don't bring in a forward. Imagine playing let's say, Scunthorpe, Kidderminster, or maybe Chester away in the playoffs. Our ground is uninviting and has seen better days too. I think that SC has taken the club as far as he can and it's time for a change.
I saw the goal against Leamington and the celebrations were great to see, but I would feel a bit more optometrist if we had a 9, or 10 who could score more than they do. Unfortunately, I've gotten out of the habit of watching Lynn, with their unattractive style of football.
Quote from: John H on March 31, 2025, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: m a hill on March 30, 2025, 11:26:29 PM
I have never read such doom and gloom in my life I believe some on here need to spit on their hands and get a fresh hold
Ok, so I was wrong about not getting back into the playoffs and I would love to see Lynn win promotion. I used to be an almost ever present at home games since the late 60's. We got into the National League and even had the benefit of a season there with no threat of relegation, which was just as well. Second season, we corrected nothing and got relegated. Following season we finished 24 or so points above Kidderminster and get stuffed by them at home in the playoffs. Since then I've been just 3 times, Scarborough at home, 3-0 up at half time and lost 4-3. Warrington at home, we won and then Spennymoor a couple of weeks ago, which was quite honestly embarrassing.
We have difficulty in scoring, but we don't bring in a forward. Imagine playing let's say, Scunthorpe, Kidderminster, or maybe Chester away in the playoffs. Our ground is uninviting and has seen better days too. I think that SC has taken the club as far as he can and it's time for a change.
I saw the goal against Leamington and the celebrations were great to see, but I would feel a bit more optometrist if we had a 9, or 10 who could score more than they do. Unfortunately, I've gotten out of the habit of watching Lynn, with their unattractive style of football.
We are all entitled to our opinions, mine is obviously along the same line as yours. I respect others opinions and they should respect ours.
Just going to ask the question. Do people really want to see us promoted to the NL ?
With all the uncertainty surrounding the situation with Bal and Jo if they aren't involved has SC got the money to support a Club at that level. The squad we have at present would be way short of the NL standard, in the main. A massive squad restructuring would be needed to compete at that level.
What do others think ?
Quote from: Mallard on April 01, 2025, 10:18:09 AM
Just going to ask the question. Do people really want to see us promoted to the NL ?
With all the uncertainty surrounding the situation with Bal and Jo if they aren't involved has SC got the money to support a Club at that level. The squad we have at present would be way short of the NL standard, in the main. A massive squad restructuring would be needed to compete at that level.
What do others think ?
I'm of a similar position to you, Mallard 😕
I find myself torn between the desire to get promoted and the fear of instant crash and burn at the end of that season 😏
There are very few players, if any, who are capable of being effective at NL level. And I'm not trying to dent anyone's ego, but just say it as I see it 😏
It would be difficult, as ever, to get players in at that level given our geography, (although it's an age-old excuse which may or may not be entirely accurate these days).
I suspect it would encourage mainly players who kiss the badge but follow the money around the league, or promising youngsters who are sold on if they're any good ☹️
It's madness to believe that this model is in any way sustainable 😕
Personally, based on what I think and what I know, I can't see us lasting much longer as this incarnation of the club 🐦🔥
I think our only hope, much as it worries me, is to get promoted and trust the investors to stick with us 🫣
The alternative doesn't bear thinking about ⚽⚽⚽🕳️😭
IF, we get promoted, we have to remember that AL is untested at step 1.
Previously, we have had two experienced Managers that couldn't keep us out of the bottom 4.
Without a very competitive budget, maybe even twice what we currently have, would we be expecting too much of AL?
People mention our geographical location. This is not just relevant to the Players. AL is Northern based and the NL has Southern and Midland teams, so surely his location has to come into it as well.
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QI, please excuse the editing
Quote from: Quinn Upstone on April 01, 2025, 11:31:08 AM
...I find myself torn between the desire to get promoted and the fear of instant crash and burn at the end of that season 😏
...Personally, based on what I think and what I know, I can't see us lasting much longer as this incarnation of the club 🐦🔥
I think our only hope, much as it worries me, is to get promoted and trust the investors to stick with us
I appreciate we are all compromised in our support but think the above will ring true with many Lynn fans. Ultimately SC has got many, many things wrong during his tenure but he has somehow got the club to a point where fans are thinking about getting out of NLN by being promoted and not leaving at the other end of the table, given where the old club was when it folded and where he inherited it from Chapman that is a pretty big leap. I think many have said it is all built on sand and that may well come to be proven true but Quinn, it surely can't be right that you think the club's only hope of survival (albeit short term) is to go up and keep the investor on board, appreciate beggars can't be choosers but does reinforce my views on the benefactor model.
As for Mallard's original question? For me, promotion shouldn't be a consideration given what happened last time and there is every indication we were actually in a better state at that point (both on and off the field) than we are now.
If investors money is relied upon for success/survival (i.e. other people paying/subsidising a Saturday afternoons entertainment), sooner or later there is only one outcome!
Inherited it from Chapman ? I thought there was a figure of around 250k doing the rounds at the time,Tony.
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on April 01, 2025, 12:59:15 PM
IF, we get promoted, we have to remember that AL is untested at step 1.
Previously, we have had two experienced Managers that couldn't keep us out of the bottom 4.
Without a very competitive budget, maybe even twice what we currently have, would we be expecting too much of AL?
People mention our geographical location. This is not just relevant to the Players. AL is Northern based and the NL has Southern and Midland teams, so surely his location has to come into it as well.
:dontknow:
What would be considered a competitive budget at step one ? I guess with around 30 full time on the Football side by the time you factor in NI contributions ( about to rise), accommodation for players etc, travel to games, over night stops, I wonder how much change there would be out of say £1.5m. How big an uplift would it take to keep us in the National League ?
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on April 01, 2025, 12:59:15 PM
IF, we get promoted, we have to remember that AL is untested at step 1.
Previously, we have had two experienced Managers that couldn't keep us out of the bottom 4.
Without a very competitive budget, maybe even twice what we currently have, would we be expecting too much of AL?
People mention our geographical location. This is not just relevant to the Players. AL is Northern based and the NL has Southern and Midland teams, so surely his location has to come into it as well.
National league is what it says, NATIONAL, not northern or southern, it covers the whole country, therefore, if we were full time and players were accommodated around the area, they would come for money. You only need to look across the Wash, Boston can attract players of the calibre needed, they are in a similar situation regarding location as we are. We don't and never have had the infrastructure, funding or indeed support to compete with the teams in the league above us.
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Quote from: Quinn Upstone on April 01, 2025, 11:31:08 AMI think our only hope, much as it worries me, is to get promoted and trust the investors to stick with us
Quote from: TonyM on April 01, 2025, 01:01:45 PM
"I think many have said it is all built on sand and that may well come to be proven true but Quinn, it surely can't be right that you think the club's only hope of survival (albeit short term) is to go up and keep the investor on board, appreciate beggars can't be choosers but does reinforce my views on the benefactor model."
Tony, I appreciate what you say, and I know my post sounds somewhat cynical, but I really can't see this all ending well.
If there are other "solutions" to saving the club then where are they ? There's certainly the usual dearth of information coming out of the club.
No one would be happier than me if the club could become a trust/supporter-owned model, but sadly I just don't see it happening here in Lynn any time soon. If ever.
In my opinion, the only realistic (rather than cynical) outcomes are 1/ Get promoted and crash out of NL with benefactors running away and abandoning us. Or 2/ Don't get promoted...and the benefactors running away and abandoning us.
What is option 3/ ?...
:scarf: Who is going to form and organise a community based club. I would think that unless there are some strong well organised and moneyed persons this is a dead duck realistically. Also won't these persons need to buy out SC or whoever.
I and I think a good few supporters are happy paying our match fee's hopefully seeing a reasonable team putting in a organised competitive entertaining performance.
I agree we are kept like mushrooms in the dark about the machinations of running a FC, as such maybe the new app may go some ways to appeasing some critics.
Let's not forget we are lucky to have a town FC and if you have watched some of the lower league football on you tube we should be grateful for SC's efforts to achieve this.
I certainly would not watch a match if we folded and started at a low level again with local"amateur " players, guess I have been spoilt.
Quote from: Linnet465 on April 02, 2025, 07:21:24 PM
:scarf: Who is going to form and organise a community based club. I would think that unless there are some strong well organised and moneyed persons this is a dead duck realistically. Also won't these persons need to buy out SC or whoever.
I and I think a good few supporters are happy paying our match fee's hopefully seeing a reasonable team putting in a organised competitive entertaining performance.
I agree we are kept like mushrooms in the dark about the machinations of running a FC, as such maybe the new app may go some ways to appeasing some critics.
Let's not forget we are lucky to have a town FC and if you have watched some of the lower league football on you tube we should be grateful for SC's efforts to achieve this.
I certainly would not watch a match if we folded and started at a low level again with local"amateur " players, guess I have been spoilt.
Great post....have to say I agree with majority of what you're saying. I'll take this level over the United Counties League any day.
I agree the Trust wouldn't have infrastructure to run a club at step2. Certainly not be able to fund it to the current level. Having said that without Jo it would seem neither can SC. So where does that leave us ?
What would be the ideal structure in your expert eyes Paul ? Fully agree with you about Step 5 Football. Downham look to be with a good shout of winning the Thurlow Nunn at step 5. ( good luck to them).
So hopefully we won't ever get ourselves in such a mess as to find ourselves at that level again.
Quote from: Mallard on April 03, 2025, 04:38:43 PM
I agree the Trust wouldn't have infrastructure to run a club at step2. Certainly not be able to fund it to the current level. Having said that without Jo it would seem neither can SC. So where does that leave us ?
What would be the ideal structure in your expert eyes Paul ? Fully agree with you about Step 5 Football. Downham look to be with a good shout of winning the Thurlow Nunn at step 5. ( good luck to them).
So hopefully we won't ever get ourselves in such a mess as to find ourselves at that level again.
I'm hardly an expert (certainly not like some on here think they are), but seeing as you asked I wouldn't want our trust anywhere near having a say in the running of the club.
No issue with fan involvement just wouldn't want anyone from our trust involved. SC has obviously taken us as far as he can, where we go from here who knows. Maybe (!!) we'll find out at some point (not holding my breath on that one).
Paul sorry if I have given you more Credit than you deserved. Just with your balanced postings in here and your previous involvement with FOTL I assumed you had a greater insight into the internal workings of the Club than most.
I guess the People steering the Trust must all be of a certain age so might be an idea if the likes of you Paul got involved then could have a greater say in policy and fundraising etc.
As for the future of the Club and SC maybe put a call into Lamas and ask the question. Where did you get the idea of Cleeve has taken us as far as he can? Did he tell you that or is it just something you made up?
Let's hope ithe final 3 games are a big money spinner.
Quote from: Mallard on April 03, 2025, 05:46:11 PM
I guess the People steering the Trust must all be of a certain age so might be an idea if the likes of you Paul got involved then could have a greater say in policy and fundraising etc.
Good joke that Mallard...I'm assuming that it wasn't an actual serious point!
Again today, 2 points dropped from a home match at the Walks, I really don't want to add up how many that is now. We had a chance to climb into the playoffs again today and didn't deliver. If we could have taken a few more points at home we would have been cemented in a playoff place well before now.
:scarf: Yep silly points dropped cost us as it did 2 seasons ago, then we would have won the league with one win. We lack the thrust required the wing backs got up and made crosses but with big defenders crowding out Gold and a lack of supporting players the attacks were easily defended.
:scarf: :farmer: :oldman" Well I have to say, when I started this thread, I really did hope the squad would prove me wrong, and I did state I hope they prove me wrong in my opinion,and they have very nearly done that. One more point I believe and we are in those playoffs without result's going our way in any other matches. We are only just behind KIDDY, in the current form guide for National North, so come on boys, I truly, hope and believe we can now do this. We have hit a good patch of form at the right time, definitely not all great performances, but points matter now.