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Title: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Blue Moon on November 13, 2018, 08:25:43 PM
Did anyone expect to see any new signings in by now beings how light the first team seems in numbers ?
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 13, 2018, 08:44:54 PM
Did anyone expect to see any new signings in by now beings how light the first team seems in numbers ?

I think a few people expected some incoming,all depends on how much of a hammering the budget has taken by getting rid of Clark,and lower than anticipated attendances? :dontknow:
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Mallard on November 13, 2018, 08:46:49 PM
It could be lack of the right bodies being available/wanting to come or maybe the money needed is not available as Griss suggests. New boilers donít come cheap.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on November 13, 2018, 10:07:55 PM
I think part of it, (assuming the budget issues are not insurmountable), is that IC is unlikely to be able to bring a player, at this time of year, to be a squad player. People are only likely to move if they can get assurances they'll get more game time than they are presently getting; or more money. We're only likely to sign starters, ala Marriot and Henderson, when what we really need is a few squad players.

So, assuming we are looking for a player to get into the first team, who are we looking to replace? Which CB is going to come in, knowing they'll very much be the third choice. Maybe an out and out RB, to free up Jones to give us some options to rotate in midfield?

The problem at present, is the gulf between our title challenging 1st 11, and our bench. The wafer thin nature of the squad, does start to make the number of loans and departures a month or so ago look a bit of a mistake.

Or, maybe there's some more sleeping superstars who used to be in Norwich/Villa's youth team that are about to come in. Or maybe a few Ipswich loanees to make the kind of impression Shaun McWilliams did a couple of years ago. I can hope.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Blue Moon on November 13, 2018, 11:35:58 PM
I think we definitely need some cover, getting to that time of year when injuries and suspensions start to creep in. Loanees may be the way forward
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Kevin Holland on November 14, 2018, 12:21:19 AM
No change required.  Small squad, tight unit. Siege mentality. Winning formula.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: birch95 on November 14, 2018, 07:50:12 AM
Couldn't be further from the truth, one change at right back on Saturday instantly changed us to mediocre in that position, good sides have strength in depth, few more injuries and the play-offs will be a struggle :dontknow:
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2018, 09:03:41 AM
I seem to recall that Cleeve said he would give Culverhouse as much support as he could in the quest for promotion.   So I think we can assume its about getting the right players in.  If The players that Culverhouse identifies as wanting, are then no available, what can he do ?   Break the bank to get them ?  Bring in players that may or may not do a job  ?   Surely better to wait to get the square peg for the square hole.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 14, 2018, 09:05:57 AM
Only expectation now is for another defender to come in as the club is over spending on its players budget currently.

Castellan, Stewart and McQuaid can all be recalled from there loan deals as of last Saturday so we may see them come back potentially.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 14, 2018, 09:07:14 AM
Couldn't be further from the truth, one change at right back on Saturday instantly changed us to mediocre in that position, good sides have strength in depth, few more injuries and the play-offs will be a struggle :dontknow:

Thought Richards played well at RB
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2018, 09:31:51 AM
Only expectation now is for another defender to come in as the club is over spending on its players budget currently.

Castellan, Stewart and McQuaid can all be recalled from there loan deals as of last Saturday so we may see them come back potentially.

The playing  Budget today is no bigger than it was before IC came back in.  On his appointment Stephen Cleeve was on Radio Norfolk stating he would back IC on a promotion Push with cash.  Where has it been said now that the situation has changed and we are now over spending 93 ?

Surely if what you say is correct 93 and we are overspending, then any of Castellan, Stewart or McQuaid coming back to the Club will only make matters worse ?

Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 14, 2018, 10:14:04 AM
Only expectation now is for another defender to come in as the club is over spending on its players budget currently.

Castellan, Stewart and McQuaid can all be recalled from there loan deals as of last Saturday so we may see them come back potentially.

The playing  Budget today is no bigger than it was before IC came back in.  On his appointment Stephen Cleeve was on Radio Norfolk stating he would back IC on a promotion Push with cash.  Where has it been said now that the situation has changed and we are now over spending 93 ?

Surely if what you say is correct 93 and we are overspending, then any of Castellan, Stewart or McQuaid coming back to the Club will only make matters worse ?

Im just repeating what Iíve been told, who knows what the deals are with the clubs these players are at in terms of percentage of wages being paid.

My sense is that if the right defender was available he would be signed, the rest is all down to our run between now and probably December/January if we are in touching distance then yes maybe abit more money might be pumped in to strengthen the squad.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 14, 2018, 10:44:37 AM
Every season there appears to be people speculating about budgets. At any Club, there's obviously only a very few people who will know exactly what the state of play is regarding budgets. Most of it is just rumour and speculation.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: long suffering linnet on November 14, 2018, 10:45:51 AM
Couldn't be further from the truth, one change at right back on Saturday instantly changed us to mediocre in that position, good sides have strength in depth, few more injuries and the play-offs will be a struggle :dontknow:

Thought Richards played well at RB
Absolutely.Also played a great ball in for the second goal.We were also much better as a whole second half.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: birch95 on November 14, 2018, 11:31:09 AM
Sorry must have seen a diff game or player :dontknow: Richards very suspect positionally  albeit with little game time, where as jones could be the most valuable player in the team at the end of the season...very denis Irwin 7-8/10 every game :clap:
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2018, 11:48:02 AM
Wrong foot Birch  :laughcry:

As for the money situation at the Club 93, do you feel the fans should start to worry ?   
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 14, 2018, 12:22:26 PM
Wrong foot Birch  :laughcry:

As for the money situation at the Club 93, do you feel the fans should start to worry ?

If you mean about long term stability, not at all. Chairman is here for the right reasons and has the club at heart. Some may not like his decisions but he sticks to his guns and I truly believe will club will be in a better position than when he took over if he ever chose to leave.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2018, 01:19:46 PM
Long term 93,  What is that these days ?   Lets just deal with the short term.  If as you state we are already over budget then should the fans be worried ? As in will we see budget cuts to bring it back inline ? 

Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 14, 2018, 05:56:53 PM
Long term 93,  What is that these days ?   Lets just deal with the short term.  If as you state we are already over budget then should the fans be worried ? As in will we see budget cuts to bring it back inline ?

Believe itís coming from the chairmanís back pocket, i would be shocked to see cuts.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: long suffering linnet on November 14, 2018, 06:01:57 PM
The chairman has said several times the budget was increased this season.Since then we have signed Marriot and Henderson so with the players released I suppose it depends how the books have balanced.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 14, 2018, 07:37:35 PM
Long term 93,  What is that these days ?   Lets just deal with the short term.  If as you state we are already over budget then should the fans be worried ? As in will we see budget cuts to bring it back inline ?

Believe itís coming from the chairmanís back pocket, i would be shocked to see cuts.

Not convinced we didn't see cuts a few weeks ago!  :dontknow:
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2018, 07:44:51 PM
8 players out 2 players in.  Now if Hendo and Marriot are sucking up the budget of the 8 who are not currently in the squad then thatís some serious wedge those 2 are on.  Have to feel for the likes of Hawkins who is on the same level as though two but was quite happy to accept the same money as last season.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Stan on November 15, 2018, 08:27:07 AM
Every season there appears to be people speculating about budgets. At any Club, there's obviously only a very few people who will know exactly what the state of play is regarding budgets. Most of it is just rumour and speculation.
B & G: the most sensible post on here.
 I think better communication from the club could help although some fans will use this to make a hostage to fortune of whoever states their intent. The club may prefer to keep their cards close to its chest to prevent some fans from treating whatever is said as a legal binding agreement.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Mallard on November 15, 2018, 08:29:21 AM
Stan, I thinkmwhat is damaging is where 93 is getting this info, or is it just billy B/S ?
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Stan on November 15, 2018, 08:30:38 AM
Stan, I thinkmwhat is damaging is where 93 is getting this info, or is it just billy B/S ?
True enough Mallard.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 15, 2018, 11:06:17 AM
Stan, I thinkmwhat is damaging is where 93 is getting this info, or is it just billy B/S ?
True enough Mallard.

What Iíve said is common knowledge at the club, not some hidden secret that Iíve leaked.  :laughcry:

Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Mallard on November 15, 2018, 11:21:21 AM
Is it common knowledge with the fans ? And/or press cos Iíve read nothing about budget cuts.  Maybe the club should issue a statement on it ?  Last I heard was Cleeve saying itís full stream ahead and more budget was available, not less
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 15, 2018, 12:03:58 PM
Is it common knowledge with the fans ? And/or press cos Iíve read nothing about budget cuts.  Maybe the club should issue a statement on it ?  Last I heard was Cleeve saying itís full stream ahead and more budget was available, not less

Only mention of budget cuts is by people on here, I merely said that we are over budget on the playing staff side. 
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Mallard on November 15, 2018, 12:31:25 PM
8 players have left ( totally or out on loan) since the Clark departure and 2 players in.  93 as you seem to have all the inside info is the budget the same for Culverhouse as it was for Clark ?
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 15, 2018, 01:27:14 PM
8 players have left ( totally or out on loan) since the Clark departure and 2 players in.  93 as you seem to have all the inside info is the budget the same for Culverhouse as it was for Clark ?

Can I ask who the 8 are I can only think of McQuaid, Stewart and Castellan on loan, I believe all were 3 month deals? Hilliard to Wisbech a permanent deal, with a view to return and Thomas because of a lack of playtime and the club have stated they didnít want to lose him.

I have no idea of the budget for either manager.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Nemesis on November 15, 2018, 02:05:00 PM
To get to the eight you have to count Gaughran, Beevers and Da Rocha - maybe not "players" but on the wage bill.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 15, 2018, 02:48:54 PM
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To get to the eight you have to count Gaughran, Beevers and Da Rocha - maybe not "players" but on the wage bill.

Gaughran played 45minutes in a pre season friendly to protect players from injury, Beevers didnít play a meaningful minute was clearly a coach who was signed on just in case and Da Rocha asked to leave for more minutes and was a shambolic panic signing by Clark.

Really we let go of

McQuaid, Castellan and Stewart for game time
Hilliard was let go when Marriott came in
Da Rocha and Thomas left for more minutes
And Gaughran and Beevers were let go as part of the failed coaching staff

Saying weíve let go of 8 players to Ďbalance the booksí is stretching the truth to the extremes
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Mallard on November 15, 2018, 03:01:57 PM
93 you are missing the point. Sam G, Beevor and Da Rocha were all on the payroll
And part of the Ďbudgetí the same as the others who have left and the others who are now out on loan. Unless you are suggesting that the likes of Sam and Beevors were not receiving any payment ?
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 15, 2018, 03:14:45 PM
93 you are missing the point. Sam G, Beevor and Da Rocha were all on the payroll
And part of the Ďbudgetí the same as the others who have left and the others who are now out on loan. Unless you are suggesting that the likes of Sam and Beevors were not receiving any payment ?

No I get your point, what Iím saying is they werenít got rid of for the reasons your claiming.
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Mallard on November 15, 2018, 03:51:09 PM
93 of course they werenít but with them and the other 5 off the payroll that should have feeed up the money for other signings. We have only signed 2, so what has happened to the surplus funds which part of of that budget ?
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 15, 2018, 04:00:50 PM
93 of course they werenít but with them and the other 5 off the payroll that should have feeed up the money for other signings. We have only signed 2, so what has happened to the surplus funds which part of of that budget ?

Would be foolish to spend money from the loanees as they are coming back, Hilliard and some went to Marriott, I canít  envisage Da Rocha being on anything of note, the players Culverhouse would be looking at probably want more than him Iím guessing? Iíve already said the club want another defender to replace Thomas.

The two assistants money I would think has gone into getting Culverhouse back to the club?

Iím just speculating but makes sense to me

This is without adding Henderson to the mix
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: GrahamB on November 15, 2018, 04:01:09 PM
If the "rumours" are true "the three" are on the payroll for 3 months and one is claiming unfair dismissal.So if true that's where the money is tied up. Gone but still ******* up the club
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 15, 2018, 08:17:56 PM
News tonight that @mg_castellan ( Matt Castellan) has been recalled from his loan @ @LowestoftTownFC . Expected to be in Saturday's squad  for #Barwell

There we go
Title: Re: 2 1/2 first team games in ......
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 15, 2018, 08:26:53 PM
News tonight that @mg_castellan ( Matt Castellan) has been recalled from his loan @ @LowestoftTownFC . Expected to be in Saturday's squad  for #Barwell

There we go

Hopefully we will still see reserve players like Frohawk still involved with the first team,only breeds confidence? :scarf: :scarf: