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Title: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: jesuslinnet on June 12, 2019, 01:11:57 PM
Kings Lynn Reserves will playing at the Elgoods Stadium next season??? :bus:,
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: admin on June 12, 2019, 01:14:21 PM
Stephen Cleeve
‏ @StephenCleeve
13m13 minutes ago

Our reserves next season will play at Wisbech - very grateful for them to allow the ground sharing our Under 18’s will remain at The Walks. 
Season tickets will be valid for free entry at both grounds - need to protect the pitch as it has simply too many games on it last season
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: KES80 on June 12, 2019, 02:05:43 PM
Makes sense on many levels.....hopefully tho it won't affect the support the team gets too much.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: jossmandarin5 on June 12, 2019, 02:08:20 PM
is the wisbech new stadium? :bus:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 12, 2019, 02:52:33 PM
Don't think many will bother to travel over,takes the shine off the season ticket a bit as reserve games were going to be free entry? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: admin on June 12, 2019, 04:50:33 PM

Wisbech Town FC
‏ @wisbechtownfc

News today that @officialKLtown Reserves will play their home games at the Elgoods Fenland Stadium next season. Where there is a fixture clash on a Saturday, Lynn's games will take place on a Friday night which could prove quite lucrative for both clubs. #Fenmen #Linnets
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: YouSayItBest on June 12, 2019, 05:22:03 PM
Got to wonder if the reserve team is wanted. Obviously makes sense as far as saving the pitch. But how many players will want to stick around, or even be able to travel to home games as I believe last season there were a lot of young players, probably unable to drive. We want the best chances of doing well at step 2, but have got to feel for the young-uns
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 12, 2019, 05:52:59 PM
Loss of revenue as well,in the region of 100 fans a game that income will be lost.I presume that playing at Wisbech is not going to be free? :bankrupt: :dontknow:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Mallard on June 12, 2019, 05:58:29 PM
Can see the sense of it as far as the pitch is concerned, but struggling to understand any other advantage.  Will the Reserve players be signing dual registration with Wisbech ?
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 12, 2019, 06:02:01 PM
Will they be running a minibus for reserves who don't have a car or rely on parent power again? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: YouSayItBest on June 12, 2019, 06:12:10 PM
I wonder what that means for the scholarship too. The kids have been told they will be training and playing games on the walks pitch. I guess they will be moved elsewhere too?
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Linnet1993 on June 12, 2019, 09:41:32 PM
I’m hoping the U18 team is the team going thru the education system just put into place and we are expecting to have a few break into the first team.

With the promotion the reserve team players are going to struggle to make the grade, potentially looking at getting our better prospects out on loan is a more viable option for development?

Poor of this to be announced after ticket pricing was announced, I wonder how many people wouldn’t have purchased a season ticket if they new this?
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 12, 2019, 09:42:18 PM
Means nobody will bother raising funds for the reserves as it will all go into the Wisbech pot,will they have a sponsor now?
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 12, 2019, 09:44:08 PM
I’m hoping the U18 team is the team going thru the education system just put into place and we are expecting to have a few break into the first team.

With the promotion the reserve team players are going to struggle to make the grade, potentially looking at getting our better prospects out on loan is a more viable option for development?

Poor of this to be announced after ticket pricing was announced, I wonder how many people wouldn’t have purchased a season ticket if they new this?


And also people who were going to sponsor pitch squares are now not going to bother as the pitch will need less work? :bankrupt: :dontknow:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on June 12, 2019, 10:20:16 PM
I wonder what that means for the scholarship too. The kids have been told they will be training and playing games on the walks pitch. I guess they will be moved elsewhere too?

I wonder if rather this announcement is linked to the scholarship kids training and playing on the walks pitch.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: KES80 on June 12, 2019, 10:21:02 PM
Looks to me like there will be greater emphasis on the scholarship and under 18 system..(u18s still playing at Walks) in an attempt to unearth and develop talent that can make it at step 2 and above.
The difficulty with the Reserves is that they are now 4 steps below the 1st team, so it's a huge ask for someone to jump the widening gap. The club need any youth set up to be a genuine feeder for the 1st team. At least this way there is a vehicle for step 5/6 talent which may also be able to tie in with the Wisbech set up.........it has to be preferable to losing the Reserves completely.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 12, 2019, 10:31:52 PM
I wonder what that means for the scholarship too. The kids have been told they will be training and playing games on the walks pitch. I guess they will be moved elsewhere too?

I wonder if rather this announcement is linked to the scholarship kids training and playing on the walks pitch.

A good question LL, that some have been asking since the Scholarship program was announced. To many it comes as no surprise that Reserves are not playing at Walks next season, but they may be surprised at the choice of venue.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: jesuslinnet on June 12, 2019, 10:36:45 PM
Looks to me like there will be greater emphasis on the scholarship and under 18 system..(u18s still playing at Walks) in an attempt to unearth and develop talent that can make it at step 2 and above.
The difficulty with the Reserves is that they are now 4 steps below the 1st team, so it's a huge ask for someone to jump the widening gap. The club need any youth set up to be a genuine feeder for the 1st team. At least this way there is a vehicle for step 5/6 talent which may also be able to tie in with the Wisbech set up.........it has to be preferable to losing the Reserves completely.
Seems to me, they are already lost.
Not playing at the home of the club, or even in the town.
Where is any real affiliation now? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 12, 2019, 11:19:07 PM
Also very bad timing to wait until people had got season tickets on the premise that they could watch reserve games free? How many people who got season tickets thinking that was a good deal will now view it differently? Many thought the season tickets were expensive,but the lure of free reserve games softened the blow, can't see many travelling to watch at Wisbech,this means that if you miss two home games this season you have saved nothing! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: jesuslinnet on June 13, 2019, 01:12:51 AM
Fortunately, I have not yet purchased my season ticket.
Seems little value in it now. :glum:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Mallard on June 13, 2019, 07:37:21 AM
Would it not make more sense for Lynn Reserves to drop to The Anglian Combination ?  It is only one level lower than The Thurlow Div One, but the ground standard requirements are much less.  They could then play at Lynn Sport or some such venue.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: birch95 on June 13, 2019, 07:45:21 AM
All about £££ im afraid, totally agree with the saving the surface for the first team but to jump the u18s in place is rather a slap in the face for the ressies :dontknow:  I guess mr cleeve had to honour his promise to the academy side of playing on the walks....... :nilpoints:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: KES80 on June 13, 2019, 08:01:26 AM
This seems to be the modern way....an academy /u18s/u23 side instead of a "reserve side".
Last season, with the postponements, kind of indicated that the Reserves may not be at The Walks going forward.
Maybe as time moves on there will be a subtle name change to allow the team freedom of movement within the leagues and a continued slackening of the link with the first team/club.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: westlynnmike on June 13, 2019, 09:02:34 AM
AFC United of King's Lynn  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: KES80 on June 13, 2019, 09:14:20 AM
Sporting Lynn FC (if they eventually end up at Lynn Sport) or Lynn Wanderers (if they permanently use Elgoods ground and don't amalgamate with Wisbech).
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: jesuslinnet on June 13, 2019, 09:52:49 AM
I see this as the end of the reserves team
Wisbech have no reserves team, so will only want ours playing there for some financial gain. I don't think many people that would watch them in Lynn will go there.
Be lucky if the arrangements last a season.
Sad.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: jossmandarin5 on June 13, 2019, 11:45:48 AM
I agree Jesus this is absolutely ridicules why play another ground when you :yellow card: :shark: :yellow card: can make extra money over here
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: jossmandarin5 on June 13, 2019, 11:50:39 AM
scrap the name king's Lynn reserve and call it another name with the motivation of having it under18/under23 ( a mixture of both0 with the intention of nurturing and loaning if necessary to gained the experience for first team debut;as per Nathan stewart
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: jesuslinnet on June 13, 2019, 11:59:57 AM
This was mentioned before, but nothing came of it.
Also, back in the Dollimore era, I think there was a Red Star King's Lynn!
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: KES80 on June 13, 2019, 12:06:17 PM
Sadly you can't have much sentiment if you are running a football club these days. With promotion comes hard choices....players are let go and arrangements alter..its the way of things. You cant have first team, reserves, under 18s and womens sides all using same pitch. A larger more expensive first team squad is required this year. The Reserves model, currently 4 steps below the first team doesn't now work for what it was originally intended...ie a feeder to the first team. Therefore it really is just a vehicle for local players at that level. So I guess this year is a bit of a transition year for the ressies. I personally think the move makes perfect sense. Should one of the current reserves really stand out this year or be needed in the firsts thro say injury, they will be available eg say Pedro is out for a few and  Congreve joins the squad. It keeps the ressies at a decent football stadium for their level and going forward if the u18s develop well, some of the current ressies may eventually join up with Wisbech where there is already a strong ex Lynn contingent or find alternative teams.
The Chairman has stated his ambitions...as the first team moves forward a step 6 ressies side surely just doesn't work as part of the main set up.
Maybe in time people will enjoy the Academy side at the Walks in place of the old ressies ( ?)
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: TonyM on June 13, 2019, 01:58:01 PM
All fair points KES80.  With promotion the gap down to the reserves is now too wide and with the new academy starting in September that has to be one of the main priorities for the club.  I guess it then depends on the level of games the academy can compete at as to how you then find suitable 'adult' football for those players and those that little bit older who might still be on the radar of the first team.  Personally I think loans to various local sides are a more viable option, yes it takes a bit more organisation and management, but probably a better way to develop individual players, in the way Natty Stewart and Harry Limb were sent out last season rather than trying to run another side that has very little relevance to the first team. 

If someone wanted to go through all the hassle of setting up a King's Lynn based team to compete in the Thurlow Nunn then I am sure the club would gladly look to loan players there but the focus of what is still a very limited infrastructure has to be on the first team and academy.

As for the current Wisbech move for the reserves this season, it smacks as a bit of an afterthought and I certainly wouldn't have thought this is anything more than a short term solution
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: KES80 on June 13, 2019, 02:17:51 PM
Some good points there Tony, certainly wouldn't disagree with any of the points you make
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Mallard on June 13, 2019, 03:16:32 PM
Will this deal with Wisbech also see IC taking training there as well ?  Wisbech are not flush with money so a few loaners from Lynn  might also smooth the path.  Maybe Wisbech will be one Lynn’s ‘nursery’. 
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: KES80 on June 13, 2019, 06:28:38 PM
Nope wouldn't have thought so ...IC has limited time and will need to devote it to 1st team and Academy. As far as I am aware he doesn't get involved with Reserves...why would he ? Think you are misreading the purpose of Reserves playing at Wisbech Mallard my friend.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Mallard on June 13, 2019, 06:43:18 PM
KES Matey I was meaning the first team training at Wisbech.  I seem to recall when IC was with us the first time Wisbech was where we trained.  As they are looking to protect the pitch at The Walks and the new Academy will be using it throughout the week then will the First team have to train elsewhere.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: KES80 on June 13, 2019, 06:52:06 PM
Aha Mallard..my apologies.
Suppose that's a possible but if their pitch is being used once or twice every week for matches, plus Wisbech training on it, I wouldn't have thought it would take Lynn training on it also.
Quite surprised Lynn Ressies might use on  Friday and then Wisbech day after.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 13, 2019, 09:06:58 PM
Aha Mallard..my apologies.
Suppose that's a possible but if their pitch is being used once or twice every week for matches, plus Wisbech training on it, I wouldn't have thought it would take Lynn training on it also.
Quite surprised Lynn Ressies might use on  Friday and then Wisbech day after.

I thought Wisbech had a separate training pitch.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Mallard on June 13, 2019, 09:26:13 PM
They have a 2nd pitch there.  Not sure if the lights are able to be switched around.  I know Dereham have that capability with their lights and training pitch.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: KES80 on June 13, 2019, 09:51:02 PM
Sorry Mallard, your post makes much more sense in the light of the 2nd pitch...apologies for my ignorance......am aware of the facilities at Dereham....pleasantly surprised that Wisbech have something similar.....presumably someone has asked the council on the viability of a training area in the Walks just outside of the ground
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 14, 2019, 12:05:17 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3A1TT3kwIY



Can you imagine the uproar if you brought one and didn't get one free,the amount of lawsuits against Safestyle for misrepresentation? So splash out on a season ticket at the walks and not only do you get into the Walks stadium do watch the first team,but we throw in free entry to under 18s and reserve games,just to sweeten the cost. Only now you have to spend probably more than £5 to watch the reserves for free,and if you have to drive then no matchday beer for you! So as it is misrepresentation should all season ticket holders demand a refund because over a season it is costing them more than paying on the gate?
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 14, 2019, 12:24:08 AM
Could you imagine if you went into the George and the offer was buy your main meal and get a free dessert,but you have to have the dessert in the Red Lion in Swaffham? ( Other hostelries are available). :dontknow:
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on June 14, 2019, 11:01:54 AM
All fair points KES80.  With promotion the gap down to the reserves is now too wide and with the new academy starting in September that has to be one of the main priorities for the club.  I guess it then depends on the level of games the academy can compete at as to how you then find suitable 'adult' football for those players and those that little bit older who might still be on the radar of the first team.  Personally I think loans to various local sides are a more viable option, yes it takes a bit more organisation and management, but probably a better way to develop individual players, in the way Natty Stewart and Harry Limb were sent out last season rather than trying to run another side that has very little relevance to the first team. 

If someone wanted to go through all the hassle of setting up a King's Lynn based team to compete in the Thurlow Nunn then I am sure the club would gladly look to loan players there but the focus of what is still a very limited infrastructure has to be on the first team and academy.

As for the current Wisbech move for the reserves this season, it smacks as a bit of an afterthought and I certainly wouldn't have thought this is anything more than a short term solution
How can EIGHT yes EIGHT signings be classed as an ACADEMY. at that rate they will play in a Lynnsport 5 a side league. Yet another Whim.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Mallard on June 14, 2019, 12:07:41 PM
Is that a fact that they only have eight signed up ? How can they play games without using kids from other places or bringing in some of younger Reserve team places on an ad hoc basis.

Surely Ian Culverhouse won’t want to put his name to this ?

Chilly are you still sponsoring the Reserves next season ?
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: TonyM on June 14, 2019, 02:29:57 PM
All fair points KES80.  With promotion the gap down to the reserves is now too wide and with the new academy starting in September that has to be one of the main priorities for the club.  I guess it then depends on the level of games the academy can compete at as to how you then find suitable 'adult' football for those players and those that little bit older who might still be on the radar of the first team.  Personally I think loans to various local sides are a more viable option, yes it takes a bit more organisation and management, but probably a better way to develop individual players, in the way Natty Stewart and Harry Limb were sent out last season rather than trying to run another side that has very little relevance to the first team. 

If someone wanted to go through all the hassle of setting up a King's Lynn based team to compete in the Thurlow Nunn then I am sure the club would gladly look to loan players there but the focus of what is still a very limited infrastructure has to be on the first team and academy.

As for the current Wisbech move for the reserves this season, it smacks as a bit of an afterthought and I certainly wouldn't have thought this is anything more than a short term solution
How can EIGHT yes EIGHT signings be classed as an ACADEMY. at that rate they will play in a Lynnsport 5 a side league. Yet another Whim.

If eight is the number signed up then yes that is disappointing and I guess it would always be a struggle in year 1, but I am not sure the idea of an academy is just a whim, many clubs at step 3 and 2 have gone down this route so maybe it's just more an acceptance of the current footballing landscape.  That said my preference would have been for the club to have properly linked up with CoWA as that would surely be in the interests of both the player's academic and footballing education in the way DESA seems to work for Dereham FC. however, I guess SC thought the club could keep more of the cash by going down the independent model.

Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: KES80 on June 14, 2019, 03:47:38 PM
It seems to be the way many are moving forward. I see it more of a long term thing and not a whim. I would have thought (if its not already being done) that some scouting should be done at the local schools and colleges. I can remember when I was at KES there would be scouts at our matches (can remember a Norfolk schools guy and a guy from Peterboro) in attendance looking at one or two of our guys when we were at home to Boston Grammar.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: TonyM on June 14, 2019, 04:04:40 PM
It seems to be the way many are moving forward. I see it more of a long term thing and not a whim. I would have thought (if its not already being done) that some scouting should be done at the local schools and colleges. I can remember when I was at KES there would be scouts at our matches (can remember a Norfolk schools guy and a guy from Peterboro) in attendance looking at one or two of our guys when we were at home to Boston Grammar.

The issue isn't necessarily the scouting in terms of getting kids to come, its what the Academy involves - this is their post-16 education and the Lynn Academy is currently untested so if, for example, you were a young lad doing your GCSEs this summer and were even thinking of committing to a two year course would you (or your parents) be keen for you to go to Lynn?  IC is undoubtedly a draw but DESA has a proven track record to point to, including many lads going to the states post qualification as did the CoWA course in the past.  Sometimes reinventing wheels doesn't look such a good idea.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on June 14, 2019, 04:17:43 PM
Didn't we have the ex Everton scout who "found" Wayne Rooney! Perhaps someone needs to contact Andrew Gedge at the College as to why the academy tie up never happened. At least you would get a truthful answer.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on June 14, 2019, 04:20:24 PM
Is that a fact that they only have eight signed up ? How can they play games without using kids from other places or bringing in some of younger Reserve team places on an ad hoc basis.

Surely Ian Culverhouse won’t want to put his name to this ?

Chilly are you still sponsoring the Reserves next season ?

After 16+ years what do you think we should do? When Graham is back from holiday we will then discuss and announce it on facebook probably!
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: jesuslinnet on June 14, 2019, 04:46:41 PM
Is that a fact that they only have eight signed up ? How can they play games without using kids from other places or bringing in some of younger Reserve team places on an ad hoc basis.

Surely Ian Culverhouse won’t want to put his name to this ?

Chilly are you still sponsoring the Reserves next season ?

After 16+ years what do you think we should do? When Graham is back from holiday we will then discuss and announce it on facebook probably!

Can't think why the club is having difficulty attracting new sponsors...
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Mallard on June 14, 2019, 05:02:52 PM
Are they Jesus ? I thought there were lots of new sponsors coming onboard.
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on June 14, 2019, 05:39:11 PM
Is that a fact that they only have eight signed up ? How can they play games without using kids from other places or bringing in some of younger Reserve team places on an ad hoc basis.

Surely Ian Culverhouse won’t want to put his name to this ?

Chilly are you still sponsoring the Reserves next season ?

After 16+ years what do you think we should do? When Graham is back from holiday we will then discuss and announce it on facebook probably!

Can't think why the club is having difficulty attracting new sponsors...
who said the club were having difficulty attracting new sponsors?
Title: Re: Kings Lynn Reserves
Post by: Mallard on June 14, 2019, 07:00:19 PM
Chilly, if you decide against sponsoring the Reserves ( perhaps understandably) then why not look to sponsor something with the first team.  This would perhaps give a better shop window for your Company and in turn support the Club and Stephen in his ambitions.