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Title: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 01, 2016, 08:22:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrmz8zfUpJE
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: hickathrift on March 02, 2016, 07:33:18 AM
Well said Gary!..As Gary says Hungerford game is a cup final...Lets give the team and Gary our very best support they need on Saturday and if we can be that 12th man that helps Great!!!...COYL :scarf:
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Mallard on March 02, 2016, 08:16:24 AM
Great piece of work from the Club and Setch, that should certainly boast the Crowd for Saturday.  800/900 would be out of this World. Even Buster said last week crowds of 550 are fantastic for this level so with a gate of 900 on Saturday he should be out of this World happy.

Like Setch said a win on Saturday will really get the wagon wheels rolling  for the next home games. Difficult to work out what the locals will buy into.  As In a winning team ? a base of local players ? or maybe could it be this underdog tag that we have and coming from nowhere in the last 10 weeks to be up their challenging ?  Or even a little slice of all 3. 

Saturday, for Hungerford could be like entering the Lions den, and so it should be.  The '12th man' and all that, some might even say its worth a goal start.  We all know how could the Lynn fans can be when they get behind their team.  Equally when things go wrong it's not the best place in the World to be.   Big Push early doors Saturday and on the front foot from the off.  Got to fancy us, haven't you.

To pinch one of the Forums members  phrases   It could be dubbed EXCITING SATURDAY  :comeon: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: robbo84 on March 02, 2016, 09:27:28 AM
I really enjoyed watching the interview. Setch hits all the right notes here and the big step is not just getting those extra hundreds back for one game, but to get them back week in, week out. A win on Saturday would certainly carry that momentum over to next week and so on.

There is always a team that comes from nowhere to challenge for the play off places in the later part of the season and it looks very much like that could be us this year.

The future is certainly bright.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: rod on March 02, 2016, 11:38:36 AM
There are so many reasons for those that are only occasional supporters and others who have yet to visit the Walks to get down there on Saturday - not least because they will enjoy competitive live football of a very decent standard and experience what should be a cup final atmosphere with hopefully - a positive end result!

I just want the team to enjoy the occasion and to play as well as we know they can!!
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 02, 2016, 11:56:57 AM
I noticed a few times through the interview Setch said that he wanted big crowds for these big games, and saying it wasn't necessarily for financial reasons. If that is the case of why not drop the price slightly, or introduce a mini season ticket for the remaining games?  :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Mallard on March 02, 2016, 12:44:11 PM
Are there not League rules which govern the admission prices ?  If not then no reason for Setch not to back it up by a lower admission price.  always good to support the people who support you.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 02, 2016, 01:05:30 PM
I think you are allowed to alter the price for league games, but the price has to be equal for home and away fans.  :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: rod on March 02, 2016, 01:19:48 PM
It would be interesting to see just how it boosted the gate if say a 5 ticket were on offer for one game but the key surely would be the extent to which this was publicised?
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Mallard on March 02, 2016, 01:59:17 PM
It would never surprise me to see Setch go for something like a price reduction.  He really seems like a fan of the fans, and wants his players to play in front of gates of 1000. Also would make his job easier in getting the players fired up with a big crowd in the Ground.

Have to say Setch has been a breath of fresh air since he has taken control of running of the Club.  Things certainly seemed to  slip once JC left for pastures new.  When JC was around the gates were around 800 plus as I recall. Once he was gone and under Buster's watch they start to dwindle season on season.  All Credit to Setch who has stopped the free fall and now started to build them back up. 

It is not enough these days to just throw the gates open and expect people to just walk through them.  You have to embrace your customers, look after the ones you have and try to entice new ones through the door.  Make people feel wanted and part of what you are trying to achieve.  Setch ( and indeed Backie) have certainly started to master that art.   

Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: robbo84 on March 02, 2016, 03:15:28 PM
It would be interesting to see just how it boosted the gate if say a 5 ticket were on offer for one game but the key surely would be the extent to which this was publicised?

A few clubs have tried a "pay what you want" system, not sure how that's gone down regarding boosting gates though. Perhaps that's something to try on the next "Non League Day"?

The only other thing I guess to gauge opinions would be a survey to look at what the club is doing well and what people feel could be improved or what people would like to see that the club is not currently doing.
It may help, but it's attracting the fair weather fans into such a survey to see if their thoughts are consistent with those that attend regularly.

I agree with you Mallard, and Setch has always been more than happy to speak to supporters with concerns and so on. I had huge concerns at the start of the season because I didn't want to see us get caught up in the same rut as we did at the back end of last season.

I think it was after the Paulton home game he took the time to speak to me about my concerns and explained about the longer term plans with the squad. I totally bought in to what he said and it's nice to see that things are coming good with the squad now, maybe earlier than a lot of us expected. As football fans most of us are not patient when it comes to finding success, but I have to say I've enjoyed (most of) this season and it's been fantastic watching many of this squad growing into the league. I have always respected Setch, he was a great player that always gave his all for the club, and I respect him even more as a manager, for his openness and honesty.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: tazzywazz on March 02, 2016, 05:04:14 PM
The league will have a minimum ticket price for sure and most level 3 clubs charge similar to Lynn. The reserves charge 4 which is the minimum we are allowed, Downham and several others charge 6. I think a tenner for level 3, and of course the facilities on offer, are well worth it.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Mallard on March 03, 2016, 08:31:03 AM
Tazzy, I don't think anyone is complaining about the standard bulk price of a tenner for step 3.  It was more following Setch's interview where he said he wanted his players to sample playing in front of big Crowds, and it wasn't about the money but more the atmosphere.  So as a marketing idea I think Griss was suggesting to lower the price for one game to get those stay away to come and have a look. Quite a good idea, would you not think ?  Im sure you have heard the phrase 'Throw out a Spratt to catch a Mackerel'    Got to be worth a try.   
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: robbo84 on March 03, 2016, 10:47:07 AM
Hitchin did a "pay what you want" game against Frome in January. Their attendance for that game was their highest league gate of the season at 572.

Their average gate for the season so far is 346, with three or four other games just over the 400 mark.

Clearly it worked for them (apart from on the pitch as they lost the game 2-1); with a "sensible" minimum amount stipulated would something similar work for us too?
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: rod on March 03, 2016, 11:11:16 AM
I think to try it as a one off marketing exercise would make sense, provided that this did not contravene league or FA rules.......What is there to lose? It would be very easy to do the financial equation and if the finances only broke even it would still have been worthwile as the additional supprt would be just what Setch' was advocating and who knows, some of those non regulars in attendance might well be tempted back...............It would then be a tactic well worth employing again?

With regard to current pricing I think that 10 is at the top end for this league and that our concessionary price is higher than most?
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Mallard on March 03, 2016, 11:31:12 AM
As I recall a few weeks Setch was looking to bring in a body or 2  to strengthen the squad, so there is money floating about in his coffers.  The gates have gone up since then, so one could suggest there is even more cash sitting there. ( gates = playing budget).  That could be the reason Setch said its not about the Money its all about the atmosphere.  So If he Knock the admission down to say just a fiver, he could take any hit that might come if the gate was under 1000.  My feeling is at a fiver the place would be rammed.  The spin off to come from all those extra fans should be enough to make Busters eyes sparkle, thinking  of all those extra pints and over priced Burgers he could sell.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 03, 2016, 11:35:15 AM
Positive attitudes and good results seem to have brought a few more back,a small reduction may bring a few more,i would suggest a 2 reduction all round? :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 03, 2016, 11:45:00 AM


With regard to current pricing I think that 10 is at the top end for this league and that our concessionary price is higher than most?

Weymouth and Leamington charge 11. The majority of other Clubs in this league charge 7 or under (Cambridge only charge 5) for concessions.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: robbo84 on March 03, 2016, 12:00:08 PM
I think 10 is generally about right - let's not forget people pay extra for seating at The Walks.

At 5, even for one game, we would have to double our admissions to break even (whilst Setch may have indicated money is not the be all and end all in this case, staff and bills still need to be paid). Based on the Bedworth game that would mean a crowd of 1,158.

Are the two biggest factors on attendances admission price and league position?

I still think that with plenty of advance planning, Non League Day is the time to be doing these kind of things. I feel we've missed a trick the last couple of years with that.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: rod on March 03, 2016, 12:27:41 PM
Due to the age profile of Linnet supporters I would imagine that a significant percentage are concessions? At a guess at least 40%???????
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: robbo84 on March 03, 2016, 12:50:50 PM
I think 40% is probably a little on the high side, but concessionary rates at The Walks do compare somewhat unfavourably with most other clubs in this league.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: tazzywazz on March 03, 2016, 03:05:16 PM
I don't think bringing in any players at this stage would achieve anything. The lads have stepped and got the results and any new player is likely to have a negative effect, they might not be able to fit in immediately or not play very well or get a serious injury. I know Setch was saying he could bring in one or two and be within budget but that was a few weeks ago. The current team have proved they can compete at the very top of this league.
As for prices - Cambridge City play at St Ives, a crap pitch and a crap stadium, how is 5 for concessions good value for money.
I have looked at the Reserves figures and in general 50% of our crowds are adults, paying 4, and 30% are concession paying 3. I have no idea if those %'s are anything like the 1st team but are probably similar. Both teams will have quite a lot of non payers, visiting team dignitaries, sponsors, sponsor's guests and 11 and under children. All are included in the attendance figures.
I think we have to rely on the team continuing to do well and increasing the crowds, as they are doing, this isn't a time for gimmicks to try and get a few more in. The regulars attending now are probably up for it before they reach the ground, expecting more of the same, and creating a good atmosphere.
Sorry I can't be there Saturday as I will be at Haverhill with Reaserves.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: rod on March 03, 2016, 03:42:51 PM
I was one of those hoping that we might recruit that 20+ goal scorer, earlier in the season but now - I agree 100% that we should continue with what we have unless we were to suffer several injuries that might leave us struggling to cope? Better the devil you know on this occasion and at this stage of the season......or words to that effect.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: robbo84 on March 03, 2016, 04:33:51 PM
I was one of those hoping that we might recruit that 20+ goal scorer, earlier in the season but now - I agree 100% that we should continue with what we have unless we were to suffer several injuries that might leave us struggling to cope? Better the devil you know on this occasion and at this stage of the season......or words to that effect.

I think we all were, Rod, but how this squad has 'come of age' this season we're probably not as desperate for one now. We have certainly shared the goals out amongst the team which is no bad thing. Let's not forget we started the season with a supposed 'proven' striker from a higher level who failed to hit the net in eight games for us. Our defence has been meaner this year than it has been for the last 2-3 years and that has perhaps taken the pressure off the forward players a bit.

Setch has been big enough to say no when players he has spoken to have asked for silly money. If they have turned down the opportunity to test themselves at step 3 in front of decent crowds to play for a team at step 6 over money then good luck to them.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Mallard on March 04, 2016, 09:47:17 AM
Tazzy I think you have grabbed the wrong end of the stick about Monies and players coming in.

I was commenting that Setch has money in his coffers to spend. As he WAS looking at bringing someone/s in a few weeks back.  So If that Money is there why not use that excess budget on marketing the Club and trying to get those extra few hundred he wants through the gate. 

Speculate to accumulate and all that. I don't see marketing as a gimmick, more as part of a business plan.  No harm in building the feel good factor between the Club and its fans.  After no harm in rewarding those loyal supporters once in a while and in turn getting old fans to return and hopefully get new ones on board.   Non League Football needs new Young blood to keep it alive.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: tazzywazz on March 04, 2016, 11:33:59 AM
I think it's you missing the points Mallard, you've been commenting about spare money etc. I think Setch has said he could bring a player or two in Buster would back him. I don't think Buster would want to put his hand in his pocket to give new spectators a few quid off their ticket.  Regular supporters are happy paying their money and helping the playing budget.
Far more important to the progress of the club was Backie's post:
Setch is doing a video tommorow with Gav Caney and Greg Plummer before the Res game to promote Saturday's game and all the forthcoming home games, I know the subject of crowd attendances will be brought up in the interview as I was with Setch today. We are also hoping KLFM will be in attendance as well as I've spoke to them today and asked them to really try and promote all the home games that we have left.
Also we should soon have a link on the website where you can download the poster for the forthcoming fixture.
Hopefully see you all at the Reserve game tomorrow as we could do with all your support, I am hoping to be there but still recovering from Shingles
Lots of exciting things will be happening over the next few months it's exciting times as Tazzy would say :)

I have also seen Setch's 'YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU' spread in the EDP, I think it's today's.
The management and players are doing what's necessary to attract more support, far better than a gimmick.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: robbo84 on March 04, 2016, 11:52:21 AM
I've seen the back of the EDP too, courtesy of a friend. Excellent stuff, with a sprinkling of humour which always helps.

Nice to see we're pulling out all the stops to get the game promoted though. With a win tomorrow it is something that could continue to gather momentum.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: tazzywazz on March 04, 2016, 12:25:44 PM
Also Robbo in Backie's message he mentioned lot's of exciting things happening to the club over the next few months. The ones I have heard about will see more huge steps forward by the club, and I've been told there's more. Very exciting times. Off course we need the 1st team to pull the rabbit fully out of the hat but at least we know they will be giving it their all.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Mallard on March 04, 2016, 12:38:10 PM
Tazzy, You seem to have thought in a previous post I was advocating that Setch should bring a new body, Just to confirm that was not what I was suggesting.  As I recall the wages that were saved on Marshall have not been spent, thus the thought that a surplus was sitting there. Maybe It has been used elsewhere.

I do not class rewarding loyal fans and attempting to attract old fans back and testing the market for new fans is a 'Gimmick' as you call it.  Maybe your time in marketing differs to mine.    Why do you think it is that so many clubs offer discounted rates for  Pre-season Friendlies and even in the early rounds of The FA Cup and Indeed the League Cup at Pro level ?  Must be just a Gimmick I guess, in your eyes.   These marketing teams at this Pro clubs must be clueless.  Why not drop them a line and put them on the right track by telling them where they are going wrong.  :laughcry:

Guess we might have to agree to disagree on this one Tazzy.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Backie9 on March 04, 2016, 01:26:54 PM
Lee Smith was a replacement for Connor Marshall
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: tazzywazz on March 04, 2016, 01:28:33 PM
We definitely do differ Mallard. In your last post you stated:
I do not class rewarding loyal fans and attempting to attract old fans back and testing the market for new fans is a 'Gimmick' as you call it.  Maybe your time in marketing differs to mine.    Why do you think it is that so many clubs offer discounted rates for  Pre-season Friendlies and even in the early rounds of The FA Cup and Indeed the League Cup at Pro level ?  Must be just a Gimmick I guess, in your eyes.   These marketing teams at this Pro.
You are not talking about end of season battles for promotion etc. just low level games to try and get a few more through the door.
I ran my own buy/sell business for 25 years and soon found that giving discounts usually lost me money. What the customers really wanted was great products at a fair price coupled with great service. I think that is what Setch is trying to achieve and the supporters are gradually realising they are getting what they want. If only half of what I have been told is added to what we have already got, and I am told there's more as well, then it will put the club in a place above anything I have seen in the past. Keep the faith, exciting times.
Thanks for reminding me Backie I wondered where the money had gone!!!!!!
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Mallard on March 04, 2016, 02:07:45 PM
I will bow to your superior knowledge on that Backie, I thought Smith came in on the budget of Ja Ramm or even Speight. 

Thanks for the that information Tazzy, I will remember that this Easter with the 3 for 2 promotion  one of the Blue Chip Company's I deal with are running..  Shall I tell them its a gimmick, and wont drive sales ? Unbelievable.  :banghead;
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: rod on March 04, 2016, 02:24:06 PM
What was originally suggested as a simplistic occasional marketing tactic has become over complicated? One that would perhaps encourage those who used to attend games to return along with others who would be new to the Walks, to become regulars; would be IMO a valid and potentially valuable exercise.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Mallard on March 04, 2016, 02:31:16 PM
Tazzy, even the Club's Owner is not adverse to the odd 'Gimmick'  at Saddlebow Road where it is common place to  offer a discounted rate for a double header.  Perhaps you could advise him where he is going wrong.  Be careful he doesn't tell you where to go or he has been known to give a good stiff kick to the old rear end.  Allegedly.  :laughcry:
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: robbo84 on March 04, 2016, 03:34:18 PM
We've tried a couple of things in the past. I remember the 4 games for the price of 3 ticket in the UCL when we had four matches in 8 days at The Walks; and there were also some Saturday/Tuesday deals around the same time when we had two home games in four days.

This could be fairly easy to implement with advance ticket sales (buy your Tuesday ticket on the Saturday for a small saving); as long as Season Ticket holders don't lose out in the long run.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: Mallard on March 04, 2016, 03:57:59 PM
There are many ways you encourage people to turn up, but if people involved at the club see them as nothing more than gimmicks, cannot see it happening.  Still who are we to judge, they know best. After all it's their club.  We are but mere fans.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: tazzywazz on March 04, 2016, 06:42:21 PM
I think you are the one unable to see the other point of view Mallard. I have no influence on anything that happens at the club, thankfully, all I do is help with the reserves and support Backie and the players. I do however support what is going on at the club and feel that what Setch is doing is the way forward. If he were to drop the prices or whatever I would support that as well, but I don't think he will, or even may not be able to. I hope the crowds will continue to rise as Setch, his coaching team and the players deserve it for their efforts. We all know ex-supporters and we should be trying to persuade them to return. There are some hardcore stay aways who won't return even if Setch paid them to come in!!! Nice to see you admit you were wrong about Lee Smith, makes a change.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: sworn 2 secrets on March 05, 2016, 04:34:48 AM
Taz nice to see you are putting the voice of reason in such a good way, hard not to agree with most of yor posts.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: tazzywazz on March 05, 2016, 07:29:07 AM
I appreciate that Sworn.
Title: Re: Setch's thoughts on up coming games
Post by: rod on March 05, 2016, 11:14:21 AM
I think it is both logical and beneficial that we do not always share the same opinion, just so long as we all have the ultimate good of the club at heart.