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Title: Missing a Trick
Post by: KES80 on September 15, 2019, 11:14:06 AM
Just reflecting on things.
Lynn have one of the best managers ever.
Also one of the best squads ever.
A chairman who has made these and other positives happen.
Huge catchment area for fans and business.
With sufficient funding the on pitch set up would be capable of getting to step 1 and off pitch significant investment would be required.
These set of circumstances may not be around for that long, due to player age and individual ambition.
Is the town and surrounds missing a huge opportunity here and do enough people out there really care about the club.
Is an attendance of 1000 home fans really the best the area can do for a side top of Conference North ?
Aren't there enough businesses in the area to throw a bit of financial clout into the pot to make a significant difference ?
If ever there was a time for things to really crack on off the pitch, this start to the season really should provide the incentive and impetus.... wouldn't you think ?
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on September 15, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
Just reflecting on things.
Lynn have one of the best managers ever.
Also one of the best squads ever.
A chairman who has made these and other positives happen.
Huge catchment area for fans and business.
With sufficient funding the on pitch set up would be capable of getting to step 1 and off pitch significant investment would be required.
These set of circumstances may not be around for that long, due to player age and individual ambition.
Is the town and surrounds missing a huge opportunity here and do enough people out there really care about the club.
Is an attendance of 1000 home fans really the best the area can do for a side top of Conference North ?
Aren't there enough businesses in the area to throw a bit of financial clout into the pot to make a significant difference ?
If ever there was a time for things to really crack on off the pitch, this start to the season really should provide the incentive and impetus.... wouldn't you think ?

 :oldman" I agree with a lot of what you say, however in the many years I have been watching the LINNETS , our attendances have not been much higher than they are averaging now, yes you get the odd game with 2/2.5 k people in attendance, which in turn helps the season average, but at this moment in time 1200 or so is a good attendance for KLTFC. I recall many matches on a cold evenings in the Northern premier league when we were glad of 400.
I would also like to say that there is a lot of uncertainty in business and can also see why companies are reluctant to release money for sponsorship, yes other clubs pull in sponsorship but we need people at the club to work on this and as I see it we are still a 1 man band on this point.
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: admin on September 15, 2019, 12:11:37 PM
Attendances not quite up to the 2008-09 level just yet.

https://www.thelinnets.co.uk/attendances-compared2019.php
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Mallard on September 15, 2019, 01:32:38 PM
Looking at those figures in monetary terms the club must be bringing an extra circa 7-8k per Home game than last season. Money not to be sniffed at.
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on September 15, 2019, 02:55:06 PM
Attendances not quite up to the 2008-09 level just yet.

https://www.thelinnets.co.uk/attendances-compared2019.php

 :oldman" many thanks for that admin, my point proven there, we are at the level of support this club can be expected to generate at this present time in our history. We could possibly push on and average 14 /1500 gates but that is where I personally see our support level. We live in a relatively small town compared to many clubs in this league hence the difference in attendance levels, York, Chester, Hereford. Darlington to name but a few are much bigger conurbations with much larger populations hence there support level.  :farmer:
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: KES80 on September 15, 2019, 03:28:51 PM
Not quite QED Dazza !
This epitomises what needs to change....we don't want to be looking backwards to project forwards....if attendances were slightly higher in 2008, then now with a stronger team and higher league placing, we should be beating that figure.
With improved marketing and incentives we could be leaving that figure behind...plus I believe I am right in saying we have bigger clubs in the league this time around, with greater support themselves, which should help our gate.If we can average 1500 for the season, that would equate to 400 more than present or an extra £120 k or so over a season...that should be the aim.
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Mallard on September 15, 2019, 04:11:19 PM
I would say that our gate receipts are in the top 10 of this League, yet IC says his budget is amongst the lowest.   Plus we are fortunate in that we only pay a peppercorn rent to play at The Walks while some of the other clubs in with us have to pay rent at the market value.

However where we seem to fall down and fall down badly is on the commercial side.  For example.   Boston Utd, club closest to us sold ALL of their match day sponsorship deals ( and there a good few different ones) within 2 WEEKS of the fixtures being released.  Lynn, on the other hand, had the Chairman posting on Twitter looking for match days sponsors just a few short days before games.

Thatís just one example
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: KES80 on September 15, 2019, 04:28:13 PM
Yep agreed and mentioned that at the top in general terms.
It needs to come in from all the angles tho....if we are to compete with York say, then we need to get close to their commercial set up and get close on attendances....£120 k extra from a 1500 crowd would make a tremendous difference, I am sure you would agree
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Mallard on September 15, 2019, 05:02:27 PM
Donít disagree KES think we are singing from the same hymn sheet. I have no idea who is even suppose to handling the commercial side, does anyone on here ?  Going back to our friends at Boston.  The commercial guy there even has his own column in the Programme to keep fans updated on commercial activity.

It does seem we are getting so much right on the pitch but so
Much wrong if it, and it appears the gap is widening. To hear Culverhouse say the club is not ready for promotion is disappointing. Thing the word the interviewer used was quicksand if we gained promotion.
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Grissles Oleary on September 16, 2019, 08:51:17 AM
Need to look at employing more people to serve food and drinks,20 minute wait at the bar to get a beer,either miss the end of the first half or beginning of the second half. Rushing the cooking of the burgers because not enough precooked,mine was half cooked! People were leaving the bar without being served,lost revenue? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: LUFC1992KLFC on September 16, 2019, 09:37:18 AM
I would guess we would all rather see a winning team on the pitch, than having a ground full of sponsor boards and better catering!
The team as we all acknowledge are currently punching above their weight. Probably moving forward faster than plans laid off the pitch.
I agree would be great to have a bit more in place off the field, hopefully it will come soon.
Lets not be too negative, there are lots of things that are positive, that the chairman has addressed. The pitch, the sprinkler system, the ground is safe and tidy, the B&G has improved.(even a dart board that I saw someone request)
I would say, tell your friends all the good stuff currently happening at the walks and for the time being, enjoy the ride. Trust that the other stuff will follow, soon!
ps I was in the Globe Sunday. People were walking out as too busy!! Mr Wetherspoon not doing too bad for himself.
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Grissles Oleary on September 16, 2019, 10:56:14 AM
I would guess we would all rather see a winning team on the pitch, than having a ground full of sponsor boards and better catering!
The team as we all acknowledge are currently punching above their weight. Probably moving forward faster than plans laid off the pitch.
I agree would be great to have a bit more in place off the field, hopefully it will come soon.
Lets not be too negative, there are lots of things that are positive, that the chairman has addressed. The pitch, the sprinkler system, the ground is safe and tidy, the B&G has improved.(even a dart board that I saw someone request)
I would say, tell your friends all the good stuff currently happening at the walks and for the time being, enjoy the ride. Trust that the other stuff will follow, soon!
ps I was in the Globe Sunday. People were walking out as too busy!! Mr Wetherspoon not doing too bad for himself.


I too was in the Globe,45 minute wait for food,but I had the option of going elsewhere,don't have that option at the ground! :dontknow:
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: KES80 on September 16, 2019, 11:00:27 AM
Quite agree LUFC and I don't see anything negative on this thread.....its all meant to be positive and a rallying cry.....get the word out, do anything possible to back up the fantastic team we now have. Great highlights again by the way....the brand of football is so good...is there any way this can be distributed to a larger audience to boost interest and ultimately attendance
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Paulos on September 16, 2019, 01:07:52 PM
I would say that our gate receipts are in the top 10 of this League, yet IC says his budget is amongst the lowest.   

Yeah we're one of 10 teams with an average so far over 1000 at home so you're definitely right especially considering we are one of the most expensive too. However what others have touched on is the other areas where full potential is not being reaped so having to pretty much depend on matchday takings then the budget is going to be lower.
I know the commercial manager at hereford and he's constantly running events in the community which not only brings in revenue but positive vibes in the community for the club. They held a festival on at the ground pre season nothing overly special people like gareth gates there but estimates were there were 2000 people there, when you take in not only the ticket profits but the fact that there's 2000 people there that have to eat & drink over an 8 hour event i'm sure they were raking in the money, hence why it's already organised for next year.  The ground sits derelict for half a year something needs to be done while the footballs not on to keep the money coming in.
When you look at this and the fact hereford are in the bottom half of the table, yet still have excellent sponsorship deals and an average home crowd of over 2500 it just shows we are miles behind these kind of teams in so many ways......even if on the pitch we are lucky enough to have a team currently a lot better than many in this league.
Maybe some kind of incentive can be done where leaflets are given out at local schools, free under 16's with every adult ticket or something? Ok it's only £2 at the moment but worded right it could be seen as a decent offer....just need to get the club out there locally not everyone reads the local papers nowadays.
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: LUFC1992KLFC on September 16, 2019, 01:31:39 PM
What Salary would a commercial manager demand?
@minimum wage they would cost £20k plus national insurance
So to stand still would need to generate that first

As with extra bar staff
Matchday mn wage = approx £25 donít sound much but thatís probably an additional 50 pints to be sold to stand still


Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: TonyM on September 16, 2019, 02:05:32 PM
Just watched the IC interview (thanks Bevan) and wouldn't disagree with a word, I too would have been happy to see us 'not in the bottom three' after 10 games.  Realistically we are miles away in a number of areas of what is needed to maintain a step 2 set up, notably but not exclusively on the commercial side and these things will take time.  As for this group of players and the age profile of the squad that is irrelevant, squads will chop and change every year and it is down to IC to try and ensure that each year the squad is at least as strong as the previous year (more so this year after the promotion and I still think there is some tweaking there to be done). 

The increase in attendance is to be welcomed but I would very much doubt we have got anywhere near SC's break even point and certainly not to the point where we can throw much more at the squad this season, don't forget we have a hefty (appreciate there are differing estimates) bill coming before the end of season on ground improvements to even stay in this league assuming IC's aim of survival is achieved on the pitch.  So where can the club get more funds:

 * The commercial side could do more, although that will probably be a long term fix based on my experience of the standing of the club within the local business community - local companies currently have enough pressures on them and are not really set up with the aim of subsidising a local football club
 * The Friends could play a bigger role and that is down to fans doing what they can, they have options for most budgets with 100 club, pitch squares and 12th man
 * The Trust could certainly build on their GDF initiative and whilst the £4K was a great bit of fundraising I would have thought that they would now be looking to 'go again' with a push to raise another capital sum before the end of the season
 * Attendance - this always has to be budgeted at a sensible rather than an aspirational (1500???) level as it probably only takes a poor run or a few extra midweek games to drop this down, yes opposition teams do seem to be bringing more fans but there are a fair number of factors (like what is happening down the A47) that can have an impact.

Personally I would be (very) happy with a mid table finish without any thoughts of looking over our shoulder in the second half of the season and the ground improvements completed and signed off by the FA in good time.  Going a few rounds in either the FA cup or FA trophy would be a bonus.
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Mallard on September 16, 2019, 07:51:41 PM
Some valid points, as always Tony.  However ( did you expect anything less).

With the current average gate attendance and increase in admission and assuming it stays around 1100 ( big  gates to come with York, Chester and Boston) I work out that income from gate receipts will see an increase of a 170k ( ish).  Now I would suggest that would go a long way to meet Stephen Cleeveís break even figure.  Letís not forget he is on record saying he will fund it for this year.  For the last time.

As for all this stuff of us not being good enough etc, I donít buy that.  If anything in the opening quarter of the season we have proven we are very much good enough to compete at this level. With the right addition or two there is no reason the suggest we cannot finish in the top 7 (11th is halfway) and therefore qualify for the play-offs.

Now imagine that we did make the play-offs is IC going to give a team talk of.  ĎOk lads we have come this far but the club needs you to throw this game as they arenít ready for step oneí

Letís not throw in the towel just yet.  Maybe things will look different after 20 games.  Then again maybe they wonít.  Then how will the post match interviews go.
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Stan on September 16, 2019, 08:27:50 PM
Some valid points, as always Tony.  However ( did you expect anything less).

With the current average gate attendance and increase in admission and assuming it stays around 1100 ( bug gates to cone with York, Chester and Boston) I work out that income from gate receipts will see and increase of a 170k ( ish).  Now I would suggest that would go a long way to meet Stephen Cleeveís break even figure.  Letís not forget he is on record saying he will fund it for this year.  For the last time.

As for all this stuff of us not being good enough etc, I donít buy that.  If anything in the opening quarter of the season we have proven we are very much good enough to compete at this level. With the right addition or two there is no reason the suggest we cannot finish in the top 7 (11th is halfway) and therefore qualify for the play-offs.

Now imagine that we did make the play-offs is IC going to give a team talk of.  ĎOk lads we have come this far but the club needs you to throw this game as they arenít ready for step oneí

Letís not throw in the towel just yet.  Maybe things will look different after 20 games.  Then again maybe they wonít.  Then how will the post match interviews go.
Couldn't agree more Mallard. The club are rightly trying to take the pressure off.
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: jossmandarin5 on September 16, 2019, 11:26:01 PM
 
 
Re: Missing a Trick
ę Reply #16 on: Today at 07:51:41 PM Ľ

Some valid points, as always Tony.  However ( did you expect anything less).

With the current average gate attendance and increase in admission and assuming it stays around 1100 ( big  gates to come with York, Chester and Boston) I work out that income from gate receipts will see an increase of a 170k ( ish).  Now I would suggest that would go a long way to meet Stephen Cleeveís break even figure.  Letís not forget he is on record saying he will fund it for this year.  For the last time.

As for all this stuff of us not being good enough etc, I donít buy that.  If anything in the opening quarter of the season we have proven we are very much good enough to compete at this level. With the right addition or two there is no reason the suggest we cannot finish in the top 7 (11th is halfway) and therefore qualify for the play-offs.

Now imagine that we did make the play-offs is IC going to give a team talk of.  ĎOk lads we have come this far but the club needs you to throw this game as they arenít ready for step oneí

Letís not throw in the towel just yet.  Maybe things will look different after 20 games.  Then again maybe they wonít.  Then how will the post match interviews go.


Ian was saying in the interview on Saturday that he would be content with a mid table position and another season on this league; yes I agree he said we could be in quicksand in the premier vanarama; but what about this for a scenario; I see there are about 66% of teams in  the step one framework within an easy distance for this club; and hence traveling support either way ;example not far to dover athletic, or, to chesterfield north and south for the geography concept; the occasional visit of Wrexham or even Torquay would be just fine; the point is go for the golden pot if that is within site, gain promotion again, whatever means there is; then consolidate in a higher league; you will get the sponsor when the carrot is dangling for the first ever chance of football league experience; people will see this club means business when this club is near the ambition of the event of gaining the promotion to  division one of the league; of course this would probably take maybe two season; but the opportunity for (1) crowd increase is good (2) sponsorship deal is good; and even giving the further incentive for Ian C to stay within this club ;after all staying with this club for another two season could be a massive goal for his c.v, we could be  seeing the horizon with a couple of wins against York and  Chester in the very near future; and then sail on from there with this 10 game philosophy. Another interesting point is what about playing Paul in goal for some of the seemingly easier Games and giving Alex that much needed rest. or even loaning out a good keeper to give the lad a rest;
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Stan on September 19, 2019, 06:41:52 AM

 
Re: Missing a Trick
ę Reply #16 on: Today at 07:51:41 PM Ľ

Some valid points, as always Tony.  However ( did you expect anything less).

With the current average gate attendance and increase in admission and assuming it stays around 1100 ( big  gates to come with York, Chester and Boston) I work out that income from gate receipts will see an increase of a 170k ( ish).  Now I would suggest that would go a long way to meet Stephen Cleeveís break even figure.  Letís not forget he is on record saying he will fund it for this year.  For the last time.

As for all this stuff of us not being good enough etc, I donít buy that.  If anything in the opening quarter of the season we have proven we are very much good enough to compete at this level. With the right addition or two there is no reason the suggest we cannot finish in the top 7 (11th is halfway) and therefore qualify for the play-offs.

Now imagine that we did make the play-offs is IC going to give a team talk of.  ĎOk lads we have come this far but the club needs you to throw this game as they arenít ready for step oneí

Letís not throw in the towel just yet.  Maybe things will look different after 20 games.  Then again maybe they wonít.  Then how will the post match interviews go.


Ian was saying in the interview on Saturday that he would be content with a mid table position and another season on this league; yes I agree he said we could be in quicksand in the premier vanarama; but what about this for a scenario; I see there are about 66% of teams in  the step one framework within an easy distance for this club; and hence traveling support either way ;example not far to dover athletic, or, to chesterfield north and south for the geography concept; the occasional visit of Wrexham or even Torquay would be just fine; the point is go for the golden pot if that is within site, gain promotion again, whatever means there is; then consolidate in a higher league; you will get the sponsor when the carrot is dangling for the first ever chance of football league experience; people will see this club means business when this club is near the ambition of the event of gaining the promotion to  division one of the league; of course this would probably take maybe two season; but the opportunity for (1) crowd increase is good (2) sponsorship deal is good; and even giving the further incentive for Ian C to stay within this club ;after all staying with this club for another two season could be a massive goal for his c.v, we could be  seeing the horizon with a couple of wins against York and  Chester in the very near future; and then sail on from there with this 10 game philosophy. Another interesting point is what about playing Paul in goal for some of the seemingly easier Games and giving Alex that much needed rest. or even loaning out a good keeper to give the lad a rest;
Nice to see a positive outlook Joss.
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: jossmandarin5 on September 20, 2019, 09:49:42 PM
Another point in Ian's interview I do not agree with the comment " we have no right", we got every right[to assert ourselves in this league. If those clubs were in this league so long; then that shows their calibre is not up to scratch as some may think; why if they were good there should be playing in the vanarama premier and not in this league. Sorry Ian your comments are really good about philosophy and such like; 10games and then progress; but saying we have no "no right " is a no goner with me we go all out to make team show us respect not the other way around; we do have the right to slaughter some teams if necessary. some of these teams are hanging onto this league by  the skin of their teeth; Ian has given us this incentive to bolster our claim for promotion if needs be go for it hammer and tong; let every game especially the bigger x foot league club ,like a F.A cup game, where we got the right to giant kill if the calibre is there, and we do have the calibre; show teams no mercy ;you can guarantee they will not shows us that;heck with the lovey dubby bit go for the juggernaut for every game; and we have the players for it; show some these teams respect and they will takes  us to  the cleaners; respect only comes where there is a social gathering ;playing a league game is no social gathering; the :nilpoints: :scarf: :shark: only way of showing respect is playing good clean football;
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Stan on September 21, 2019, 06:01:05 AM
Another point in Ian's interview I do not agree with the comment " we have no right", we got every right[to assert ourselves in this league. If those clubs were in this league so long; then that shows their calibre is not up to scratch as some may think; why if they were good there should be playing in the vanarama premier and not in this league. Sorry Ian your comments are really good about philosophy and such like; 10games and then progress; but saying we have no "no right " is a no goner with me we go all out to make team show us respect not the other way around; we do have the right to slaughter some teams if necessary. some of these teams are hanging onto this league by  the skin of their teeth; Ian has given us this incentive to bolster our claim for promotion if needs be go for it hammer and tong; let every game especially the bigger x foot league club ,like a F.A cup game, where we got the right to giant kill if the calibre is there, and we do have the calibre; show teams no mercy ;you can guarantee they will not shows us that;heck with the lovey dubby bit go for the juggernaut for every game; and we have the players for it; show some these teams respect and they will takes  us to  the cleaners; respect only comes where there is a social gathering ;playing a league game is no social gathering; the :nilpoints: :scarf: :shark: only way of showing respect is playing good clean football;
I agree Joss. I'm assuming that Culverhouse is trying to lower expectations amongst fans etc. but have no doubt that he will be committed to Lynn getting in the play offs at the very least. I have a Norwich supporting neighbour ( don't we all) who is adamant that Culverhouse will get Lynn up and I have begun to see this neighbour as some type of guru as he's been right about a lot.
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: Mallard on September 21, 2019, 08:50:53 AM
Stan I had no idea you lived next to me/KES ! :cheers:
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: KES80 on September 21, 2019, 11:49:26 AM
 :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: KES80 on September 21, 2019, 11:53:57 AM
Ps can you sort your hedge out Stan, it's a mess and casting a huge shadow on my patch ! :oldman" :laughcry:
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: jossmandarin5 on September 21, 2019, 01:59:12 PM
Stan I had no idea you lived next to me/KES ! :cheers:

perhaps he might live next to me; any case thanks Stan; by the way irlam York game had an early kick off I believe any ideas what the score is; talking about the Lynn York game ;a win there is not out of the question; but the chestnut is the game against Chester beat them at the fortress and we will be in paradise .see you all in the forum for the alfreton game he ho here we go again
Title: Re: Missing a Trick
Post by: jossmandarin5 on September 21, 2019, 02:02:10 PM
 :cup2: :cheers: :cup: :thanks: :thanks: :thanks:
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