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Title: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 02, 2019, 08:38:25 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/sport/linnets-boss-ian-culverhouse-unhappy-with-lack-of-defensive-cover-following-home-draw-with-altrincham-9088198/
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: KES80 on November 02, 2019, 09:27:07 PM
Most of the interview is on KLTV on YouTube.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Linnet64 on November 02, 2019, 09:37:52 PM
Sad to hear the Gaffer is unhappy or perhaps frustrated is a better term.  :worship: :worship:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 02, 2019, 09:45:04 PM
Just viewed the latest Manager interview.  Is this about to be history repeating itself ?  Maybe the Chairman could make a statement to let us know what the full situation is. 

We have a great Manager an excellent Squad ( albeit small).  We have had a fantastic start to the season and are sitting in a great position.  The fans have bought into it this season big time and gates are massively up.

Come on Mr Cleeve you lost Culverhouse once letís not see it happen again.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 02, 2019, 09:52:32 PM
Oh dear, if theyíre is cash to spend then we clearly need some additions. If additional signings would affect the long term sustainability of the club unfortunately we will have to get on with what we have.
Many people will throw SC under the bus about this when none of us no the circumstances.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 02, 2019, 09:58:57 PM
No one needs to throw anyone under any buses. However be good for Stephen Cleeve to open up and let everyone know where the club is.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: KES80 on November 02, 2019, 10:35:21 PM
I sensed this was brewing after one of the interviews a few weeks back. It's a real concern, if things are that tight financially after some good gates. We just have to hope that the situation is clarified asap. Despite a great start, it is just 3 points from the last 4 league games, with 3 of those at home and Lynn are still a good way from safety if things were to implode.......
Anyone know how long Ryan Fryatt and Chris Smith are likely to be out of action ?
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 02, 2019, 11:01:27 PM
With an increase in gate revenue and an amount not to be sniffed at as a result of the Cup run, why should money be tight?

Unless things are really bad (and lets hope they are not) surely there must be a few Bob kicking around for a slight budget increase.   

:dontknow:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Blue Moon on November 03, 2019, 12:47:19 AM
It's all very well going on about budgets and money and gates etc but is the right player available ? IC has said on numerous occasions he would only want a player who would fit into his style of play and as importantly fit into the group of players he has. There's always 2 sides to a disagreement.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: KES80 on November 03, 2019, 08:38:45 AM
IC has built up a great rapport with the players and they seem a really tight squad....... it's what has got them where they are. He clearly feels that as a small group with injuries, they are being over burdened at the moment and need reinforcements and feels the need to stand up for them.
This does have echoes of a previous time.........
Let's hope the finances are there to sort it and if not let's hope the team can get to the 35/40point mark sooner than later.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: little John on November 03, 2019, 08:54:23 AM
Our defence has been poor all season, 22 goals conceded.That's the most in the top half of the table.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 03, 2019, 09:00:27 AM
Petulant and disappointingly unprofessional from Culverhouse yesterday. He was clearly extremely disappointed that his side threw away a lead on two separate occasions and he was probably wound up by the shenanigans from the Altrincham bench whose over celebration after their second equaliser, included one of their coaches turning to face the main stand, jumping up and down and giving the home crowd two fingers as he did so but you don't wash your dirty laundry in public Mr Culverhouse.

Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 03, 2019, 09:03:09 AM
Little John the central defenders have never had a chance to settle.   Fryatt missed several games now injured.  McAuley missed 3 with suspension.  Smith on his second spell of the season on the injured list. 
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 03, 2019, 09:18:43 AM
With such a massive increase in gate revenue and an amount not to be sniffed at as a result of the Cup run, why should money be tight?

Unless things are really bad (and lets hope they are not) surely there must be a few Bob kicking around for a slight budget increase.   

:dontknow:
Can't remember the specific details but I thought that the club made a massive operating loss last year and are probably still making a loss this year but perhaps not quite as big, due to increased revenue through the turnstiles. I thought Stephen Cleeve said he couldn't put his hand in his pocket any more?
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 03, 2019, 09:26:52 AM
Stan, my memory tells me SC said he would only fund it for the last time this season, then it had to stand on its own two feet.

Mark Hearle stated at the start of the season we needed gates of 750/800 ( average) I would assume he was speaking on behalf of the Club and not himself.  I would suspect we are well in excess of 800 per game.  I do wonder if the FA Cup has caused bigger ripples than any of us would have guessed at.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 03, 2019, 09:33:05 AM
Well, as someone said earlier Mallard, the chairman needs to clarify the situation to ease fan anxieties.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: westlynnmike on November 03, 2019, 10:04:15 AM
Well, Ian Culverhouse  "Say's it Better When He Say's Nothing at All".

There was a bit of "Booing" at Half Time - directed at the Ref I think - but Ian Culverhouse seemed not amused according to some around me. He apparently turned and glared at the Stands.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 03, 2019, 10:12:14 AM
Well, Ian Culverhouse  "Say's it Better When He Say's Nothing at All".

There was a bit of "Booing" at Half Time - directed at the Ref I think - but Ian Culverhouse seemed not amused according to some around me. He apparently turned and glared at the Stands.

Any particular part of the Stand?   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 03, 2019, 10:14:02 AM
Well, Ian Culverhouse  "Say's it Better When He Say's Nothing at All".

There was a bit of "Booing" at Half Time - directed at the Ref I think - but Ian Culverhouse seemed not amused according to some around me. He apparently turned and glared at the Stands.

Any particular part of the Stand?   :dontknow:
I think the booing came from the directors' box!
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Bluboy on November 03, 2019, 11:14:19 AM
IC aimed a shut up and a little more under breath towards the booing and moaning , after to many sideway/or back passes just before HT(imo some people donít realise  what the lads have done this season and playing against a well formed 5 midfield and back 4 isnít as easy-as it is  standing on the sides )
I think the lads performed really well and games like yesterday will be a common occurrence when the playing surface becomes sticky and teams come to defend against an exceptional side .
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: KES80 on November 03, 2019, 11:22:08 AM
I do wonder if the FA Cup has caused bigger ripples than any of us would have guessed at.
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I think this may be the case.... ripples in 2 areas. Firstly I suspect it was asking an awful lot from an overstretched squad, without reinforcements, to have a decent cup run after a hectic opening league schedule. Ultimately, they couldn't maintain their form as the performances against Leek and Nantwich showed......so from a Manager's perspective this is obviously frustrating and now spills over into the league situation.
In the past IC has put all the focus on league, but this time around, there seemed a recognition/resignation that funds from a cup run were needed. I was hoping that was to bolster the squad, but maybe it was just to stand still (?).
SC has done brilliantly bringing the club to where it is on many levels and I am sure he doesn't want to upset the boat at this time, so are the running costs and ground improvement costs taking all the revenue at the mo ?
The key for me is how long Ryan Fryatt and Chris Smith are out for....if Ryan is back in a couple of games, then maybe the brewing issue will pass...if not there could be a problem.
Could I just say also that for me the Lynn News article didn't really portray the interview on YouTube. I realise the video may have been an edited version of the interview, but in the video IC was trying to not get drawn in by the questioning......to my way of thinking the Lynn News article is rather unhelpful and appears to fan the flames somewhat.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 03, 2019, 11:34:01 AM
KES80.
What specific negative impact do you think the cup run has had?
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: KES80 on November 03, 2019, 01:33:17 PM
Hi Stan,
I will try to answer succinctly without going over old ground.
Cup run : positives £25k or more in the kitty, but didn't generate the megabucks or increased attendances and no home draw.
                 negatives: has added to the workload , injuries and depletion of the squad and has taken momentum and focus away from the league ( which may /may not affect future crowd levels and income), as evidenced by 3 points from the last 4 games and a crowd of 888 for a Saturday match.
So the squad has performed brilliantly and been pushed to the limit, but is now perceived as not getting the support it deserves and that upsets the Manager, which is also a potentially huge negative

If the club needs the £25k to keep in the black/keep running
then that obviously adds much more to the value of the cup run. If not and some of the money is not used to support the team and placate the manager, then the value of the cup run might be an awful lot less.

So the Cup run is far from being the sole cause of these issues, but has certainly "upped the ante".
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: westlynnmike on November 03, 2019, 02:05:26 PM
King's Lynn Town FC needs a lot more Sponsorship in the form of a bigger name. We have a National Name in Mars - do they sponsor anything in the sporting world?

Palm Paper, Tulip, British Sugar?, Greenyard (Pinguin as was) might be approached.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: KES80 on November 03, 2019, 02:18:01 PM
http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/fa-news-mars-england

Agreed WLM...Mars support football... link above....maybe they would do something for the local team.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 03, 2019, 02:48:39 PM
To get commercial support on board there needs to be someone in charge of the commercial development?
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Linnet64 on November 03, 2019, 06:40:56 PM
King's Lynn Town FC needs a lot more Sponsorship in the form of a bigger name. We have a National Name in Mars - do they sponsor anything in the sporting world?

Palm Paper, Tulip, British Sugar?, Greenyard (Pinguin as was) might be approached.

Most local Businesses still have a hangover from the old days 70s+. Perhaps approaching Bespak is still a touchy subject.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 03, 2019, 09:23:42 PM
Maybe now is the time for all those people who said they would be happy to pay extra to put their money where their mouths are? Dig deep for defenders?  :cheers:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: KES80 on November 03, 2019, 09:46:13 PM
So what is a ball park figure to bring in another decent quality centre half ? I assume loan would be cheapest, as anyone worth his salt will be on a contract, so that would presumably mean a release fee.
So wages plus NI plus travel expenses for say 30 weeks.... minimum £10k ,(?) I am guessing.Obviously lots cheaper if loan could be just for a few months , then maybe £3k (?).
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 03, 2019, 11:16:02 PM
https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/kings-lynn-town/ian-culverhouse-post-altrincham-1-6355127
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 04, 2019, 06:59:11 AM
Have to assume that the budget was agreed to the satisfaction of all parties at the start of the season.  I do wonder if there was a reviewal date in there somewhere. Maybe dependant on FA Cup progress ?

At this stage itís all supposition and 2nd guessing.  What does appear to be the case though that the relationship between the Chairman and the Manager seems to be Ďstrainedí. Letís hope that they can get around a table and try and find some middle ground.

I would hope Mark Hearle will get a press release out there to dampen this story down and let the fans know what is going on. 

This all canít be doing the  squad of players any favours.   We go to a Kiddie tomorrow night to play a team who took a point at York on Saturday.  If we go there less than 100% focused on the job we could be on the receiving end of one.  Then what ?
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: GrahamB on November 04, 2019, 07:48:53 AM
I think that its disappointing that IC has again aired his dirty washing in public, we all know what has been achieved this season by IC and the team, and by SC and everyone behind the scenes, it has been beyond all expectations.
All this has been achieved by probably the smallest squad and closet knit management team and playing staff in the division, who have to train and work as well. the players must be feeling it with injuries etc that there are very few opportunities for IC to rest and rotate the staff.
But lets rewind at the start of the season it was stated that survival was the aim, another 15 or so points will see that done. IC said he only wants players that will fit into the club, he may have found the player(s) but do he/they fit financially for the club? I predicted a finishing position of 10-12 where we are currently is nothing short of amazing, should we be in the play offs and get promoted is the club ready in stadia, with infrastructure off the field, financially etc to compete at that level?
Unfortunately it isn't a bottomless pit and SC has to think of the stability and future of the club. I hope as much as anyone this is a storm in a teacup and all will be resolved as the consequences of IC leaving, and an exodus of players following him, would at this stage be unthinkable.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: KES80 on November 04, 2019, 08:08:46 AM
EDP article is much more balanced, I feel.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 04, 2019, 10:17:05 AM
KES looking at the interview it  did end rather abruptly and makes me wonder what was said off camera.  The Lynn News were certainly there but was there a reporter there from the EDP ?
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Blue Moon on November 04, 2019, 10:53:23 AM
Excellent post Graham :clap:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: LUFC1992KLFC on November 04, 2019, 01:08:56 PM
Ian is obviously a good manager.
He is also good at manipulation, in the style of the Harry Redknapps of this world.
His answer was probably constructed to get this reaction. To add a bit of pressure to getting another body in.
He did it regards the pitch etc. Chairman reacted!!
Doesn't player signings get negotiated via Rob Back, director of football? The buffer between Ian and Steve.

I would doubt the few big gates we have had this season have helped balance the books up. Those gates have also come with added cost. Also been short of home games in October! There has Been big investment off the field his season. I would imagine the club is a long way off break even.

Keep it positive. Our job is to enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: TonyM on November 04, 2019, 02:22:20 PM
We all knew the squad was paper thin at the start of the season and given that IC likes the option of 3 at the back we always looked to be a centre half light, although Burrows looks like he could do a job in a back three, playing as one of a two really does expose him.  Personally if it needs to be one in - one out then the squad could perhaps lose an attacking midfield option (bench had Carey, Hawkins and Kelly on Saturday) if IC does have a defender earmarked but can't find the finance although this really would send a clear message to IC and the fans about where we are as a club.

Certainly not coming on here as a SC backer as he has got, and continues to get, lots wrong but I really don't buy into the idea that the club should be sloshing in cash after a reasonable cup run and a rise in gates from last season as I still think we are a good way away from break even and that's before the club has to spent anything on upgrading the facilities, albeit at a reduced cost after the grant application was successful. 

Priority for this season has to be 1) staying in this league, 2) funding the ground improvements and 3) taking steps towards putting in the structure off the field that will support a viable step 2 side.  This isn't all down to SC and finding a 'big name' sponsor, I still think the Trust could and should run further GDF fundraisers and 'ordinary' fans can still do their bit in terms of the various Friends fundraisers (just compare the numbers we have on the 12th man or the ground squares compared with other clubs at our level)

One last thing, forgive me if I don't 'enjoy the ride' if it ends in a crash, was on the terraces under Bobbins and don't want to be there again, IC is the best thing that has happened to this club in a long, long while and as fans we have to realise this and SC needs to do what he can to work with all of us to ensure we can keep him as long as we can.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 04, 2019, 03:35:31 PM
Well constructed and thought provoking post Tony, as per.

This however does seem to a recurring issue at the Club between IC and SC.  Maybe it is just a case that they cannot work together.  I am starting to believe that IC did put his name in the hat for the Wrexham job so this is not something that has just raised its head again over the last week.

There is nothing coming out from SC or indeed the Clubs Media dept to shed any light on the situation or to even dampen down this story.

Hate to say it people but I think SC could be looking for Manager no4 in his tenure, sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: gs50 on November 04, 2019, 04:12:13 PM
Are you trying to increase posts on the forum.This sort of talk helps no one.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: jesuslinnet on November 04, 2019, 04:23:30 PM
Are you trying to increase posts on the forum.This sort of talk helps no one.

Did you see the interview?
The manager isn't happy, to put it mildly!
Why should it not be discussed?
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 04, 2019, 05:40:35 PM
Gs,  the best manager the club has had in X number of years is not happy and could well leave.  Why would that not be a topic for discussion ?  Iíd like to think there is way forward to try and keep him, wouldnt you ?
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 04, 2019, 06:03:25 PM
Are you trying to increase posts on the forum.This sort of talk helps no one.

Did you see the interview?
The manager isn't happy, to put it mildly!
Why should it not be discussed?
If Lynn had not conceded that 94th minute equaliser then Culverhouse would not have lashed out in the way that he did and we wouldn't be having this conversation. This is all just a storm in a teacup.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: jesuslinnet on November 04, 2019, 06:55:42 PM
That remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 04, 2019, 07:27:31 PM
Are you trying to increase posts on the forum.This sort of talk helps no one.

We had more posts on the identity thread? :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 04, 2019, 07:33:37 PM
Are you trying to increase posts on the forum.This sort of talk helps no one.

We had more posts on the identity thread? :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
And, sadly, less posts on the Altrincham at home thread.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 04, 2019, 07:43:26 PM
That remains to be seen.
But you agree that Culverhouse would not have been so full of frustration if Lynn had won and were now sitting in second with two games in hand.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 04, 2019, 07:52:07 PM
Stan,  for sure having a mic thrust under ya nose 20 mins after dropping 2 points to 94th equaliser is going to come across as frustration. Couple that together with a trip to in form Kidderminster in 72 hours with a dressing room that is nursing injuries and tired limbs then it just shows the human side of IC coming out.

Would any of us feel different ?
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 04, 2019, 08:30:06 PM
Yes Mallard and those frustrations sometimes get directed outwards rather than inwards and then others latch onto them and provide oxygen and before you know it there's a big ol' blaze a going.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: KES80 on November 04, 2019, 08:33:46 PM
It's not just the Alty game tho, this has been coming for a while.....v York when Fryatt was first missing, IC made ref to the easy goals from poor defending, allowing the forward to move across and in front of the defender, v Chester the second goal RB playing centre half ( and doing a great job for one playing out of position), just switches off for a second, Asante steals a yard and is first to the ball at the back post, v Nantwich a simple lofted ball is met at the back post unchallenged....I am sure as a top class defender IC feels that one of his first choice centre halves might well have dealt with those, so can really see how the frustration has built.
Having said all of that tho, if the money isn't there, it isn't there and SC would have to say 'No' to further expenditure.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 04, 2019, 08:43:43 PM
It's not just the Alty game tho, this has been coming for a while.....v York when Fryatt was first missing, IC made ref to the easy goals from poor defending, allowing the forward to move across and in front of the defender, v Chester the second goal RB playing centre half ( and doing a great job for one playing out of position), just switches off for a second, Asante steals a yard and is first to the ball at the back post, v Nantwich a simple lofted ball is met at the back post unchallenged....I am sure as a top class defender IC feels that one of his first choice centre halves might well have dealt with those, so can really see how the frustration has built.
Having said all of that tho, if the money isn't there, it isn't there and SC would have to say 'No' to further expenditure.
But, as I said, if Lynn hadn't conceded that 94th minute equaliser, this thread wouldn't exist and Lynn would be in second place with games in hand.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 04, 2019, 08:49:08 PM
At the beginning of the season did not Mr Cleeve say that his break even attendance would need to average 750/800?Our average attendance has been almost 400 above that,that is an extra 3000 bodies through the gate + what they spend in the bar etc + the FA cup money adds up to a tidy sum? Surely enough to fund a loaner for a month or so? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 04, 2019, 09:05:16 PM
At the beginning of the season did not Mr Cleeve say that his break even attendance would need to average 750/800?Our average attendance has been almost 400 above that,that is an extra 3000 bodies through the gate + what they spend in the bar etc + the FA cup money adds up to a tidy sum? Surely enough to fund a loaner for a month or so? :dontknow:
No he didn't say that.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: admin on November 04, 2019, 09:11:58 PM
Stephen Cleeve
@StephenCleeve
Have had a few questions over the last couple of days on and off here but this really is not the format for me to answer them.  There is nothing sinister behind my silence just do not want to pour petrol on the flames - am sure all will be resolved in v near future. #COYL
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 04, 2019, 09:26:37 PM
At the beginning of the season did not Mr Cleeve say that his break even attendance would need to average 750/800?

Grissles, if my memory is correct, I think you have got the correct figure, but the wrong  Club Official.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Paul47 on November 04, 2019, 09:33:58 PM
At the beginning of the season did not Mr Cleeve say that his break even attendance would need to average 750/800?

Grissles, if my memory is correct, I think you have got the correct figure, but the wrong  Club Official.

It was also an opinion, not a fact.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 04, 2019, 09:47:07 PM
At the beginning of the season did not Mr Cleeve say that his break even attendance would need to average 750/800?

Grissles, if my memory is correct, I think you have got the correct figure, but the wrong  Club Official.

It was also an opinion, not a fact.



Does that mean that everything we are told by a club official is just an opinion and not a fact?  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Paul47 on November 04, 2019, 09:51:25 PM
At the beginning of the season did not Mr Cleeve say that his break even attendance would need to average 750/800?

Grissles, if my memory is correct, I think you have got the correct figure, but the wrong  Club Official.

It was also an opinion, not a fact.



Does that mean that everything we are told by a club official is just an opinion and not a fact?  :dontknow:

Itís up to you what you want to believe.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 04, 2019, 09:59:20 PM
At the beginning of the season did not Mr Cleeve say that his break even attendance would need to average 750/800?

Grissles, if my memory is correct, I think you have got the correct figure, but the wrong  Club Official.

It was also an opinion, not a fact.



Does that mean that everything we are told by a club official is just an opinion and not a fact?  :dontknow:

Itís up to you what you want to believe.


When an official from the club quotes figures then people generally believe them,or are you noe inferring that officals twist the truth? :dontknow: :dontknow:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Paul47 on November 04, 2019, 10:00:49 PM
The same club official in his programme notes said he hoped for a 10th - 12th place finish. Should I take it thatís the clubs view?

Also, with regards the crowds I personally only take it as true if it comes from the chairman. Heís not told us what attendance the budget is based on?
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 04, 2019, 10:19:30 PM
The same club official in his programme notes said he hoped for a 10th - 12th place finish. Should I take it thatís the clubs view?

Also, with regards the crowds I personally only take it as true if it comes from the chairman. Heís not told us what attendance the budget is based on?


Well people tend to take any opinion shared by a trust offical as representing the trust? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: KES80 on November 04, 2019, 10:39:55 PM
Stephen Cleeve
@StephenCleeve
Have had a few questions over the last couple of days on and off here but this really is not the format for me to answer them.  There is nothing sinister behind my silence just do not want to pour petrol on the flames - am sure all will be resolved in v near future. #COYL

Great...so deep breath everyone ....and relax.......seems like things will be resolved in due course
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 05, 2019, 04:48:43 AM
Stephen Cleeve
@StephenCleeve
Have had a few questions over the last couple of days on and off here but this really is not the format for me to answer them.  There is nothing sinister behind my silence just do not want to pour petrol on the flames - am sure all will be resolved in v near future. #COYL

Great...so deep breath everyone ....and relax.......seems like things will be resolved in due course
Precisely: storm in a teacup!
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mark A Hearle on November 05, 2019, 07:27:47 AM
An extract from my programme notes dated Aug 6th 2019.

'........ after the bad start it was a task to bring back the floaters , but the trickle gained momentum and eventually we were not far away from previous season's numbers. As ever, the play offs were well supported but the club has to be looking at a figure of around 750 - 800 as a minimum for most games this season..... '

In no part of the article have I ever said this was a break even figure etc. It was my thoughts on what kind of gates IMO the level of football should attract , nothing to do with finances, budgets. Happily at the moment we are above the figures I have said here. However how that stands us in relation to our financial position at present  I have no idea - that's not my area.

At the top of the article it also states ' takes a personal look forward... ' hopefully this post has made clear this part of this thread.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 05, 2019, 08:14:57 AM
An extract from my programme notes dated Aug 6th 2019.

'........ after the bad start it was a task to bring back the floaters , but the trickle gained momentum and eventually we were not far away from previous season's numbers. As ever, the play offs were well supported but the club has to be looking at a figure of around 750 - 800 as a minimum for most games this season..... '

In no part of the article have I ever said this was a break even figure etc. It was my thoughts on what kind of gates IMO the level of football should attract , nothing to do with finances, budgets. Happily at the moment we are above the figures I have said here. However how that stands us in relation to our financial position at present  I have no idea - that's not my area.

At the top of the article it also states ' takes a personal look forward... ' hopefully this post has made clear this part of this thread.
Over to you Griss and B & G :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on November 05, 2019, 08:19:12 AM
An extract from my programme notes dated Aug 6th 2019.

'........ after the bad start it was a task to bring back the floaters , but the trickle gained momentum and eventually we were not far away from previous season's numbers. As ever, the play offs were well supported but the club has to be looking at a figure of around 750 - 800 as a minimum for most games this season..... '

In no part of the article have I ever said this was a break even figure etc. It was my thoughts on what kind of gates IMO the level of football should attract , nothing to do with finances, budgets. Happily at the moment we are above the figures I have said here. However how that stands us in relation to our financial position at present  I have no idea - that's not my area.

At the top of the article it also states ' takes a personal look forward... ' hopefully this post has made clear this part of this thread.

 :comeon:  :oldman"  :farmer: Well said Mark, why,oh why do people keep trying to rock the boat 🚣, as you say you or indeed us can,and do not know how much this club costs to run from week to week, it is a fickle business as attendances can vary from match to match by many hundreds. I am fully behind Mr Culverhouse and his team, but we are a small fish in a big sea at this level and do not have the monetary clout at this level of many other clubs. Mr Cleeve seems to have backed Mr Culverhouse so far, so let's wait and see what happens. I want this team and management to be more successful but not at any cost, we have been there already. I agree defensive cover is needed, but if money or indeed quality of players are not available we have to plough on with what we have , grit our teeth and fight for every point available.
In all honesty, if we are successful, as we have been recently, bigger clubs will come looking at our players and management and generally money talks, not always, but loyalty is generally outweighed by ££££££.   :farmer:  :oldman"
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 05, 2019, 08:27:56 AM
An extract from my programme notes dated Aug 6th 2019.

'........ after the bad start it was a task to bring back the floaters , but the trickle gained momentum and eventually we were not far away from previous season's numbers. As ever, the play offs were well supported but the club has to be looking at a figure of around 750 - 800 as a minimum for most games this season..... '

In no part of the article have I ever said this was a break even figure etc. It was my thoughts on what kind of gates IMO the level of football should attract , nothing to do with finances, budgets. Happily at the moment we are above the figures I have said here. However how that stands us in relation to our financial position at present  I have no idea - that's not my area.

At the top of the article it also states ' takes a personal look forward... ' hopefully this post has made clear this part of this thread.

 :comeon:  :oldman"  :farmer: Well said Mark, why,oh why do people keep trying to rock the boat 🚣, as you say you or indeed us can,and do not know how much this club costs to run from week to week, it is a fickle business as attendances can vary from match to match by many hundreds. I am fully behind Mr Culverhouse and his team, but we are a small fish in a big sea at this level and do not have the monetary clout at this level of many other clubs. Mr Cleeve seems to have backed Mr Culverhouse so far, so let's wait and see what happens. I want this team and management to be more successful but not at any cost, we have been there already. I agree defensive cover is needed, but if money or indeed quality of players are not available we have to plough on with what we have , grit our teeth and fight for every point available.
In all honesty, if we are successful, as we have been recently, bigger clubs will come looking at our players and management and generally money talks, not always, but loyalty is generally outweighed by ££££££.   :farmer:  :oldman"
Well said Dazza!
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 05, 2019, 10:14:32 AM
Thanks Mark,  for clarifying your early season comment.  Can see it could be taken either way and I know you like to have all your ducks in a row before any communication.

Does it really matter to any degree what was in intended and whether it was personal or the party line ?   Simple facts are admission has increased to £18 from what was it £14/15.?  ( canít remember). Plus we are getting an extra 400 (ish through the gate) that equates to circa an extra 7k per game.  21 home games is it? That gives a running total is 150k over the course of the season.  Then add in the extra from the admission increase.  Then of course there is the spin off..... extra programmes, beer food sales.  Increase in advertising sponsorship for the higher level of football that the club deserves. Plus several other bits and pieces.

To me that all addís up to a considerable increase in revenue.  Increased budget ?  Maybe, though we are running on a smaller squad than last season.

Surely with all the above we must be able to stretch to an extra player or two ?
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 05, 2019, 10:23:08 AM
Thanks for clarifying your early season comment.  Can see it could be taken either way and I know you like to have all your ducks in a row before any communication.

Does it really matter to any degree what was in intended and whether it was personal or the party line ?   Simple facts are admission has increased to £18 from what was it £14/15.?  ( canít remember). Plus we are getting an extra 400 (ish through the gate) that equates to circa an extra 7k per game.  21 home games is it? That gives a running total is 150k over the course of the season.  Then add in the extra from the admission increase.  Then of course there is the spin off..... extra programmes, beer food sales.  Increase in advertising sponsorship for the higher level of football that the club deserves. Plus several other bits and pieces.

To me that all addís up to a considerable increase in revenue.  Increased budget ?  Maybe, though we are running on a smaller squad than last season.

Surely with all the above we must be able to stretch to an extra player or two ?

Well said Mallard.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Bluboy on November 05, 2019, 11:39:17 AM
Seems to some this running a footy club is easy ... just because an extra 400 doesnít mean all paying £15 + ( students kids concessions a lot cheaper) then the added stewarding etc all come at a cost plus thereís still bills to pay , few extra pints and pkt off crisps is going to get you much !
Love the fact how one bad day at the office ( to some ) suddenly lets all start knocking the running of the club .... I trust in SC and IC and like many have said storm in a tea cup
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Paul47 on November 05, 2019, 11:54:29 AM
Seems to some this running a footy club is easy ... just because an extra 400 doesnít mean all paying £15 + ( students kids concessions a lot cheaper) then the added stewarding etc all come at a cost plus thereís still bills to pay , few extra pints and pkt off crisps is going to get you much !
Love the fact how one bad day at the office ( to some ) suddenly lets all start knocking the running of the club .... I trust in SC and IC and like many have said storm in a tea cup

Good post Bluboy  :clap:
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 05, 2019, 11:59:02 AM
Blue I think the concession figure would be more than made good with the 30k received for FBT.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Stan on November 05, 2019, 12:32:55 PM
If Culverhouse needs a player and the funds exist then they will be made available. Is anyone seriously suggesting that the club is withholding surplus funds? The club was operating at a massive loss last year and I imagine that loss whilst smaller this year is still considerable. None of us have actual figures and it's pointless speculating. I think it would help if the club could inform the fans of the break even attendance as it will put this futile guesswork to bed.
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Bluboy on November 05, 2019, 12:37:46 PM
Blue I think the concession figure would be more than made good with the 30k received for FBT.

True but like a lot of transfers do we get it all at once or instalments , if so canít spend what we havenít got .. think Saturday IC  frustration over spilled after getting the biggest kick in the netherís after his makeshift side put in a hell of a display only to concede 10 secs from time .. we then would of been 2nd and got that much needed our performances deserve...
we go again tonight # stronger together
Title: Re: Lynn News article-CULVERHOUSE "unhappy with lack of defensive cover"
Post by: Mallard on November 05, 2019, 01:00:00 PM
This whole saga has happened because....

1. A club official started the story in an interview posted on the Clubs official Youtube channel.
2. This interview was then posted by another club official on the official club Kings Lynn Town twitter page.
3.  Another Club official then very quickly posted a story through his employee website (Lynn News)
4. This was then published on the website of the biggest County newspaper.
5. No statement has thus far been forthcoming from the Clubs owner.

All this has come from Club officials not the supporters.  If the club officials didnít want this story out there why was it put in the public domain ?