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Title: Tonightís Match
Post by: m a hill on November 13, 2019, 05:27:37 AM
What a great win tonight at times it was like watching Barcelona apart from letting in two sloppy goals itís the best team performance I have seen at the Walks, a good gate tonight of 876 on a wet and cold night but to all you floating fans you need to come on down to the Walks and watch our brilliant team
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Colin Fuller on November 13, 2019, 11:00:09 AM
I followed last nightís match online and recall reading a comment about the chairmanís programme notes.  Can anyone enlighten me on the content? Is there a link to where I might read them?  From reading the various reports of the game it sounds like another good eveningís entertainment. I live in Leicestershire so hope to see the return fixture at Leamington.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 13, 2019, 01:03:12 PM
I followed last nightís match online and recall reading a comment about the chairmanís programme notes.  Can anyone enlighten me on the content?

Coming soon.  :scarf:
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Mallard on November 13, 2019, 02:09:35 PM
Interesting comments from the Chairman in the programme.

1. He is going to putting in another £160k this season ( including ground improvements)
2. He needs to take 16k per home game to break even ( not been achieved so far)
3. Can count one hand the people at the club who have got his back
4. 50/50 monies are down this season despite more people in the ground.
5.  Wants more volunteers to pay to watch, otherwise he has to pay for them.
6. Wants for respect from the fans
7. Didnít get anywhere near 30k for FBT, despite him being worth that.
8. Wants everyone pulling in the same direction.
9. The players wages are 150% of the gate receipts.

Anything I missed anyone ?
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 13, 2019, 04:03:35 PM
From EDP (There's far more in the actual program notes)


King's Lynn Town chairman Stephen Cleeve says he has "few friends" at the club he owns.

The Linnets are flying high in the National League North under the management of former Norwich City player and assistant manager Ian Culverhouse.

But that relationship has come under strain again in recent weeks, with Culverhouse publicly showing his frustration at the inability to bring in a central defender to cover for injuries.

For Lynn fans it is an unwelcome reminder of the split between the two which saw Culverhouse leave the club at the end of the 2017-18 season - before returning just over a year ago to mastermind promotion.

While gates are up, so are expenses, and Cleeve has gone public to argue his case.

As a chairman I have noted how few friends I have at the club," he wrote in his program notes for Tuesday's 5-2 home win over Leamington.

I do not even need to use the fingers on one hand to count how many people support my corner and have my back.


I get a lot of nice platitudes to my face, but a lot of chat which is not so good when my back is turned.

As lots of other club directors tell me, you need a skin like a rhino to survive, which is a shame as I would much prefer everyone to pull together in the same direction.

In addition, I have always tried to be respectful to everyone I deal with irrespective of whether or not I agree with their views, and often I find that the same courtesy is not afforded back to me.

Not only is there the financial commitment, but the number of hours that it takes is enormous. Many clubs in our league have full-time non-football staff; we can't afford it and so most of the workload comes back to me.

On average I put in at least 40 hours a week.

Cleeve urged Lynn supporters to do what they can to support the club financially.

If you would like this club to grow please do what you can if you can afford it, he said.



Title: Re: Tonightís Match
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Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Colin Fuller on November 13, 2019, 05:01:05 PM
Many thanks to Mallard, admin, Blue and Gold for the info.  Interesting reading.  I do not know Mr Cleeve and I certainly would not pass judgement on his running of the club without more information. What I would say as a general comment, having covered non league football in my years as a sports journalist, is that it is a rarity for clubs like Lynn to operate at their level and survive on gate receipts alone.
It helps to have a successful team, playing entertaining football. So Lynn tick those two boxes.  But the infrastructure off the field must be there as well. That takes time to build and maybe the team punches above the clubís present capabilities.
I understand Mr Cleeve is sole owner of the club.  Therefore it seems logical he must put the hours in and find the financial shortfall.  I think I remember reading when he took control that the ambition was to take Lynn to League football.  If that is to be achieved then, I would suggest, things are going to get harder.
I am sure he gets pleasure from what he has so far achieved and I would love to see Lynn at the higher level so good luck to him and the team.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: LUFC1992KLFC on November 13, 2019, 05:04:11 PM
All
Do not hit panic buttons or think Mr C is being argumentative.
He is simply spelling out reality.
I often read on here comments that suggest we must be rolling in cash because of one good gate or one win in a cup match. I have often offered comment based on business sense.
So, rather than panic or be down, take action.
*Bring a mate
*talk positively about what is going on at the club
*ask your boss to sponsor the club in some way
*if you are the boss-can you do something?
*can you, your boss, your company offer any free services or supplies
*Be positive
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 13, 2019, 06:03:25 PM
Sounds like the club need 1,500-1,600 to break even. The quality of football deserves crowds of that size. Fans have a choice: if you want to see the likes of Adam Marriott banging in amazing goals each week, helping Lynn to push on to a higher level or at the very least being competitive at this current one then they ALL need to turn up week in week out. If they don't care and stay away then Lynn won't be able to pay for the quality that they currently have and they'll eventually drift down to step 3 or perhaps lower.
A club is a joint effort between owner, players, manager and fans. The first 3 are clearly doing their bit but more is needed from the latter group.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: westlynnmike on November 13, 2019, 06:14:40 PM
Sounds like the club need 1,500-1,600 to break even. The quality of football deserves crowds of that size. Fans have a choice: if you want to see the likes of Adam Marriott banging in amazing goals each week, helping Lynn to push on to a higher level or at the very least being competitive at this current one then they ALL need to turn up week in week out. If they don't care and stay away then Lynn won't be able to pay for the quality that they currently have and they'll eventually drift down to step 3 or perhaps lower.
A club is a joint effort between owner, players, manager and fans. The first 3 are clearly doing their bit but more is needed from the latter group.

More Fans = More Fan Effort.

Those that do attend pay their wack, buy coffee/tea, beer, Mars Bar etc. Some have Season Tickets (Me), buy Pitch Squares (Me x 4), Buy 50/50 Tickets (Me x 2per home game) etc. etc.

Others have other financial commitments but attend as often as they can. Can't make them attend.

More Sponsorship is the Answer.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 13, 2019, 06:22:29 PM
Sounds like the club need 1,500-1,600 to break even. The quality of football deserves crowds of that size. Fans have a choice: if you want to see the likes of Adam Marriott banging in amazing goals each week, helping Lynn to push on to a higher level or at the very least being competitive at this current one then they ALL need to turn up week in week out. If they don't care and stay away then Lynn won't be able to pay for the quality that they currently have and they'll eventually drift down to step 3 or perhaps lower.
A club is a joint effort between owner, players, manager and fans. The first 3 are clearly doing their bit but more is needed from the latter group.

More Fans = More Fan Effort.

Those that do attend pay their wack, buy coffee/tea, beer, Mars Bar etc. Some have Season Tickets (Me), buy Pitch Squares (Me x 4), Buy 50/50 Tickets (Me x 2per home game) etc. etc.

Others have other financial commitments but attend as often as they can. Can't make them attend.

More Sponsorship is the Answer.
Sponsorship will help but you need a significant fan base to achieve success. The clubs with the bigger attendances generally sit higher up the league.
How much income would the academy have brought in? Isn't it about £3-4k per student. They were using virtual learning for the Btec part,  which is relatively cheap.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Mallard on November 13, 2019, 06:28:26 PM
Stan you mention a figure of 1500:1600 is a break even gate. (Chester was 1600 plus) Stephen in his programme notes stated break even gate  figure is £16k. Which has not been achieved so far this season.  Which means the figure  need to be higher than 1600 people through the gate.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 13, 2019, 06:36:46 PM
He said that players wages were 150% of gate receipts so gate receipts will need to increase by another 50% which = about 500-600 fans, but you're right Mallard there will be other costs so break even will probably need to be higher than 1600. What other weekly operating costs are there?
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 13, 2019, 06:45:46 PM
10 National League sides operate on attendances of 1400 or less, so why do Lynn need attendances of about 1,800?
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Non League on November 13, 2019, 06:48:53 PM
Giving his talk of what's needed to break even, I doubt there's one club in this league that is break even especially when some have bigger squads.

Think if King's Lynn keep up this form moving into the new year, you will attendances rise, but like I mentioned before in a different thread, it's a long term process to getting sustainable attendances and so far the club is moving in the right direction. Build a reputation of being a good side at this level, that plays attractive attacking football and allows younger places the chance to showcase themselves to get moves to Pro clubs, attendances will naturally rise to 1500 on a more consistent basis.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Mallard on November 13, 2019, 07:06:53 PM
Ok we have heard what itís all costing to supply a winning team at this level, which I assume we are all enjoying.  So letís see some sensible ideas/suggestions on what the Chairman can do to bring in extra income and lessen the burden on himself.

Iíll kick off. 

1.  Get a full set of Directors/investors onboard who each pay an annual sum to help fund the club ( including  a seat each for the Friends and The Trust).  Maybe 10 Directors each stumping up say £10k per season.  Advantages would be annual cash injection plus a drastic lightening of the work load on the Chairman.   Each Director to be responsible and head up one area of the club.   

Examples
Commercial
Football
Press
Catering
Recruitment
Ground Development
Academy
Etc

Next please
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 13, 2019, 08:12:08 PM
The chairman certainly needs some support with running the club. I know nothing about running a club so would have a close look at a club that were similar to Lynn and successful in the National League. I would study them closely to see how they operate then would copy them as closely as possible.
Can anyone think of such a club?
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 13, 2019, 08:24:03 PM
If you look at say Eastleigh as an example, they do have all the personnel in place that Mallard suggests. The chairman should get in touch with Eastleigh and go down on a fact finding mission. Take some trust members with him and Mallard.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 13, 2019, 08:30:34 PM
https://archive.is/20120803123206/http://www.eastleigh-fc.co.uk/directors-officers
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 13, 2019, 08:33:06 PM
https://archive.is/20120803123206/http://www.eastleigh-fc.co.uk/directors-officers

This information may be out of date but they obviously have a fairly sophisticated organisation structure.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: m a hill on November 13, 2019, 08:40:53 PM
A good way of raising money is the £5.00 a win I am amazed that there is only 12 of us participating in it ,with a fan base as big as ours I am sure there must be more fans out there who could afford it. Reading  between the lines it seems to me that the Chairman is crying out for help and as we now have a real good team I would have thought more fans would be willing to help
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Colin Fuller on November 13, 2019, 09:01:58 PM
Some good suggestions so far in ways of taking the club forward.  I understand Mr Cleeve is to face a question and answer evening at the Blue and Gold club. Perhaps these points could be raised then. One thing I think needs asking is would he be prepared to welcome aboard other directors? The difficulty is finding potential investors knowing, from what we can gather from the owner, that at present there is little prospect of a return on their investment.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Mallard on November 13, 2019, 09:20:30 PM
Colin I donít think there are many Directors of Non League Clubs who would expect a return on any investment.

I think the Club is at a level where for a full time commercial Manager is employed.  I visited  Boston Utd earlier in the season.  They have a full time commercial Manager ( Craig Singleton).  He has everything sponsored there. Stands, Dugouts, you name it, itís sponsored.  Match day, match ball sponsorship were sold out for the season within 2 weeks of the fixtures being released.

We are at a totally new level now. For example do the fans know that we are using such things as GPS, OPTA analysis systems, for all games.  This is fairly common place at our level.  The amount of prep work that goes on before any game is something else these days.  I guess Robbie Back would carry out a lot of this behind the scenes working pulling all the data together.

Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 13, 2019, 09:49:10 PM
We are at a totally new level now. For example do the fans know that we are using such things as GPS, OPTA analysis systems, for all games. 

Some suuporter certainly know that. I'd have been very surprised if they hadn't been using it at this level and with a Manager such as ours.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 13, 2019, 10:45:47 PM
Colin I donít think there are many Directors of Non League Clubs who would expect a return on any investment.

I can think of one in the not too distant past that would have done!
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Blue Moon on November 13, 2019, 11:17:28 PM
10 National League sides operate on attendances of 1400 or less, so why do Lynn need attendances of about 1,800?
And all 10 of them are below Lynn in the league, think that kinda answers your own question
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: dillydilly on November 13, 2019, 11:30:00 PM
Very worrying news that SC feels as he does.  He came into the club with a level of ambition sadly previously lacking.  I agree with him that despite the vast improvement in the attendances, the level of achievement and standard of play deserve twice the crowd size being reached.  The Chairman has been superb for this club and it is difficult to imagine why any supporter would think otherwise.  The real necessity, IMHO, is much better organisation, OUTSIDE the stadium, plus increased personnel involved.  Obviously sponsorship and competition sales should be prioritised.  Radical suggestion - could there be a sympathetic person or organisation willing and able to supply a currently unused building in the town centre free of charge for, perhaps, an out of ground extension to the club shop, selling the same merchandise, and doubling as an area for sales in respect of (say) a new competition.  Maybe a cafe area, with club pictures/memorabilia on the walls.  Anything to interest and attract people who donít follow the club at present.... but could become attracted to the club in the future, via the suggested outlet......?
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 14, 2019, 05:12:26 AM
10 National League sides operate on attendances of 1400 or less, so why do Lynn need attendances of about 1,800?
And all 10 of them are below Lynn in the league, think that kinda answers your own question
I was referring to the National League not National League North.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 14, 2019, 05:17:54 AM
A good way of raising money is the £5.00 a win I am amazed that there is only 12 of us participating in it ,with a fan base as big as ours I am sure there must be more fans out there who could afford it. Reading  between the lines it seems to me that the Chairman is crying out for help and as we now have a real good team I would have thought more fans would be willing to help
I've never heard of this.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 14, 2019, 05:19:14 AM
We are at a totally new level now. For example do the fans know that we are using such things as GPS, OPTA analysis systems, for all games. 

Some suuporter certainly know that. I'd have been very surprised if they hadn't been using it at this level and with a Manager such as ours.
I didn't know this. I bet I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2019, 08:18:27 AM
Stan, just one example of Ďhiddení costs in running a club at this level. 

For me we are at a fantastic point in the Clubs history. Has to be some of the most creative football many of us have seen over the years.  Thatís down to IC.  However it all comes at a cost.  What has now become quite obvious is in its present form itís not sustainable.  I feel Stephen Cleeve is teaching out to the fans as he has maybe hit a brick wall in knowing where to go next.

The question is will he put aside his ambition of trying to fly solo with this project and bring in outside investment ?  We have this one chance, they donít come along very often.

I do wonder how much due diligence Stephen Cleeve did when he purchased the Club from Buster?  If he did then nothing on runnings costs should come as a surprise.  If it needs circa 1750 people per home game to break even then when was the last time the Club was averaging those kind of gates ? People can bang on about the football deserving much bigger gates, but the facts and history donít support that.   We do have 2 massive paydays coming up in Boston and York but these will be the exception not the rule.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Linnet1993 on November 14, 2019, 08:22:36 AM
Worrying words from SC, and I definitely donít have any answers for him. The shortfall is remarkable surely adding a commercial manager is worth the risk to see if we can make a dent in that?
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 14, 2019, 09:32:15 AM
Mallard,  the amount paid to the players and coaching staff is presumably very high - quality don't come cheap - and the chairman assumed that an exciting successful side would bring the fans in. This has worked to some extent as attendances have increased by almost 60% but clearly he needs larger attendances to fund the current project. 10 clubs in the National League function with 1400 fans or less, so, it can be done. I also assume that the academy not starting was quite a blow to finances.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: KES80 on November 14, 2019, 09:42:34 AM
Some of the possible solutions re sponsorship/ marketing are ones that may  take a little while to kick in fully.
Maybe the club should start a "top-up fund". Fans who can afford it and are paying £15 or £17, put the change from their £20 note into collection boxes dotted around the ground. ...... similarly have a donate option on the ticket purchasing system. This wouldn't be vatable. If 400 did this every game that might be £1500 a game or thereabouts, say 14 home games left, that's around £20 k  and would be a real gesture of support for what S C is doing.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2019, 10:07:50 AM
KES,  these initiatives surely should have been programmed in from the outset when Stephenís declared intention was League Football, yet it seems Game sponsors are sought by the Chairman as an after thought.

I think flying solo has put to much pressure on the Chairman to be all things to everyone.  Maybe he has been let down by certain individuals who were given certain  roles.  His comment about the people having his back he wouldnít need one hand is very worrying.  Maybe Backie, Mark Hearle, Norman. Then Iím starting to dry up.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2019, 10:14:30 AM
Mallard,  the amount paid to the players and coaching staff is presumably very high - quality don't come cheap - and the chairman assumed that an exciting successful side would bring the fans in. This has worked to some extent as attendances have increased by almost 60% but clearly he needs larger attendances to fund the current project. 10 clubs in the National League function with 1400 fans or less, so, it can be done. I also assume that the academy not starting was quite a blow to finances.

Historically the fans have always been told our playing budget has to be much greater than many of our rivals as we are out on a limb and to attract quality will cost that few quid more.  For balance of course many of those rivals have to pay rent where as we have our ground on a peppercorn rent. 

Iím sure that many fans would make more use of the Walks and support the Club if weekly functions were arranged.  I know Chilly use to organise this type of entertainment and was a real money spinner for the club.  It is really up to Stephen to reach out to these people and get them onboard to help finance his ambition.

Stephen Cleeve is the key to everything itís his Club and up to him to formulate how it is financed.  As fans all we can do is throw ideas out there to him.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: LUFC1992KLFC on November 14, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
A few things
Back in the day, just prior to the old club going bust, the directors of the time had a survey done by a statistics company. The result was that the area could only supply an average gate of 1500. It was with these facts that they took the demotion option. They knew they couldn't afford to bank roll it. Other things then transpired that was the final nail at that time.

"Some" clubs can run at a gate of less than 1400. Take Brackley as an example. Their facilities are not a patch on ours. Their overheads on ground maintenance would be significantly less than ourselves. Also we do suffer with our geography. We are a long way for most teams to bring significant away fans. Darlington for instance take a 1000 away regularly. Nowhere near that number came to Lynn. With our geography we also have higher travel expense.

One thing we could do better is our commercials. SC needs help in this area. He personally doesn't know the local area and personnel who could or would be able to help him with sponsorship etc. Bringing in a commercial manager is a big move. They would probably need to bring in circa 40K to pay for themselves. It really needs a team of people in the know. Who can call on favours. Getting those people involved needs to be a step in the right direction. Unfortunately SC one way or another became detached from supporters and some sponsors in his early days. To much bad press which was probably unfair.. That gap needs bridging. It will be hard for him to get those volunteers who can help, if he wont let them play some role in the club. The club needs a big character who is able to engage with fans and local business. Maybe without the emotion.

50/50 is down this year probably because the ladies who used to sell the tickets, I MEAN SELL, are no longer doing the role. Again its character. No offence to those who do the job today. I couldn't do what those girls did.

SC needs volunteers at all levels. Charging them for the privilege might be a bit much.

Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: TonyM on November 14, 2019, 01:42:20 PM
To be fair to SC, there is nothing much in his programme notes that was far away from what an educated guess could get to, although maybe now some on here will finally dispense with the notion that an 800 attendance figure could be anywhere close to break even for a competitive team at Step 2 at the Walks.  I personally think something has triggered SC to finally come out and say it in black and white, maybe it was IC's frustration re centre back cover or something else but no one can now claim they are not aware - even if you take SC's actual figures with a pinch of salt the bottom line is that we are currently being bankrolled by someone who has gone on record as saying he can't sustain that level of subsidy (lets call it what it is, not investment) longer term.

Mallard's suggestion of a consortium of 'benefactors' is maybe one route although how many people with 'substantial' money to burn would then be happy to throw it on the bonfire when others / a committee are choosing how that money is ultimately spent is perhaps another matter.

Fans can and do have a role to play, Stan I can't believe you have never heard of the 12th Man scheme (£5 per win) as it has been discussed on this forum a number of times this season.  The Friends have fundraising schemes to suit most pockets / circumstances (pitch funding for those who want a one off, 100 club for those wanting a small regular contribution and the 12th man for those who are happy to 'gamble' a bit and may pay a bit more for a successful side)

I think the biggest contribution that fans could now make is to really get behind the GDF, admittedly the Trust seem to have gone very quiet on this which is unfortunate and doesn't help their cause but if they and the Friends could do a joint venture (maybe one joint 'super' Christmas raffle with all funds going to the GDF) and other smaller fund raisers adding into the pot (another quiz maybe?) that would start to address the most immediate financial cause of concern (the ground improvements).

Commercial activities are always seen by some as a solution to whatever the problem is but the truth is they take time and effort (with maybe minimal rewards in the short term) and the club itself under various owners has not been prepared to meet the business community part way - always looking for what cash they can milk rather than what relationships can be nurtured imo.  The idea of a commercial manager is probably valid but I think they would be hard pushed to 'break even' in the short term and the economic climate in West Norfolk so not really sure where the money to set up the sort of infrastructure required is going to come from

Finally can we also not look at the Academy as another 'cash cow' - that view is exactly why the last incarnation failed - this is lads academic future we are talking about and that isn't something that should be first and foremost done for a quick buck - the Dereham scheme has long term roots and is benefitting both Dereham FC AND the academic institution that it is linked to.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Blue Moon on November 14, 2019, 05:12:30 PM
Seems to me the easiest, quickest most obvious , although short term way to generate more income is the get more bodies through the gate.
What about posters up in local schools, contact local youth leagues, most kids will bring a paying adult with them.
Just need to generate new interest from new faces, can't expect the hard core regulars to keep dipping into their pockets.
Are the events in the B n G advertised externally? If only on here and forums etc it's a kinda captive  audience.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 14, 2019, 05:30:21 PM
To be fair to SC, there is nothing much in his programme notes that was far away from what an educated guess could get to, although maybe now some on here will finally dispense with the notion that an 800 attendance figure could be anywhere close to break even for a competitive team at Step 2 at the Walks.  I personally think something has triggered SC to finally come out and say it in black and white, maybe it was IC's frustration re centre back cover or something else but no one can now claim they are not aware - even if you take SC's actual figures with a pinch of salt the bottom line is that we are currently being bankrolled by someone who has gone on record as saying he can't sustain that level of subsidy (lets call it what it is, not investment) longer term.

Mallard's suggestion of a consortium of 'benefactors' is maybe one route although how many people with 'substantial' money to burn would then be happy to throw it on the bonfire when others / a committee are choosing how that money is ultimately spent is perhaps another matter.

Fans can and do have a role to play, Stan I can't believe you have never heard of the 12th Man scheme (£5 per win) as it has been discussed on this forum a number of times this season.  The Friends have fundraising schemes to suit most pockets / circumstances (pitch funding for those who want a one off, 100 club for those wanting a small regular contribution and the 12th man for those who are happy to 'gamble' a bit and may pay a bit more for a successful side)

I think the biggest contribution that fans could now make is to really get behind the GDF, admittedly the Trust seem to have gone very quiet on this which is unfortunate and doesn't help their cause but if they and the Friends could do a joint venture (maybe one joint 'super' Christmas raffle with all funds going to the GDF) and other smaller fund raisers adding into the pot (another quiz maybe?) that would start to address the most immediate financial cause of concern (the ground improvements).

Commercial activities are always seen by some as a solution to whatever the problem is but the truth is they take time and effort (with maybe minimal rewards in the short term) and the club itself under various owners has not been prepared to meet the business community part way - always looking for what cash they can milk rather than what relationships can be nurtured imo.  The idea of a commercial manager is probably valid but I think they would be hard pushed to 'break even' in the short term and the economic climate in West Norfolk so not really sure where the money to set up the sort of infrastructure required is going to come from

Finally can we also not look at the Academy as another 'cash cow' - that view is exactly why the last incarnation failed - this is lads academic future we are talking about and that isn't something that should be first and foremost done for a quick buck - the Dereham scheme has long term roots and is benefitting both Dereham FC AND the academic institution that it is linked to.
I can't ever recall the twelfth man scheme whatever it is being mentioned on here. As only 12 people have signed up it doesn't appear well publicised, I would suggest Tony, which was my point really.
Can't see anyone referring to the academy as a "cash cow"  Tony and as I am the only one who mentioned it, I hope that your comment wasn't directed at me personally!
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: TonyM on November 14, 2019, 05:42:08 PM
I can't ever recall the twelfth man scheme whatever it is being mentioned on here. As only 12 people have signed up it doesn't appear well publicised, I would suggest Tony, which was my point really.

Its been talked about on here since the start of the season, and probably prior to that.  I just checked my last 15 posts (click on my username) and it was mentioned in 3 of them!  It is also in the programme and I think there might be a poster up in the cafť, sorry not 100% as I signed up at the Friends AGM so don't go looking for it.  That isn't to say it couldn't be advertised better but I am not sure how else the Friends can get their message out, picking up on Blue Moon's point it can seem like taking more from the captive audience.

That said, I think the 12th man scheme is an great way for those who are happy to 'pay a bit more' to do so and in an ideal world that would grow to the point where it could cover the costs of the 'win bonus' thus allowing the club to budget that little bit better.  No way that is currently the case and I would guess the success on the field has meant we are ahead of SC's payroll budget although I do appreciate we are also probably ahead on attendances.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Les Smith on November 14, 2019, 07:53:59 PM
I lived in King's Lynn from 1967 to 1975 and I have family still living there. In those days I used to attend virtually every home match with my father. When I moved to Yorkshire I attended away matches as often as possible. I now reside in Portugal so attending matches is not viable so I follow the matches via this website. It would be fantastic to see the current momentum maintained. As I cannot get to the matches would it be possible to purchase a season ticket for the remainder of the season and as I can not make use of it could be offered as a prize in a raffle or given to a known needy person. It would count as another person through the gate. I look forward to any responses.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: dillydilly on November 15, 2019, 09:57:27 AM
Appreciation of your generous offer, Les Smith.  Someone would be pleased as punch.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Les Smith on November 15, 2019, 11:25:32 AM
With reference to my offer (see above) would somebody please advise how I would arrange this/who to contact. Thank you in anticipation.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: TonyM on November 15, 2019, 11:34:47 AM
Les, I would suggest contacting the Friends committee (linnetfriends@gmail.com) as that is something they can probably co-ordinate both in terms of sourcing the half season ticket and then working out a method for choosing the 'lucky receiptient' each week (maybe a local junior coach or school in the hope that they might bring a few others with them?) but obviously that will be down to your wishes.  I know the club already have a scheme in place for those who struggle financially so would be great if the club could use your generous offer in a more promotional sense.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Les Smith on November 15, 2019, 11:38:40 AM
Thanks TonyM. I realise that it is not a massive contribution but as you say it may lead to the recipient taking along another person etc.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Mallard on November 15, 2019, 11:43:44 AM
Great gesture Les.  Fair play to you.  As a matter of interest which part of Portugal are you in ?
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Les Smith on November 15, 2019, 11:55:33 AM
Hi Mallard. I am on The Algarve - near Lagos. Returned from the UK yesterday - warmer here than there!
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Mallard on November 15, 2019, 12:28:53 PM
Lagos, had 3 weeks there earlier this year.  Always parked in the old Football ground car park. Great beaches.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Les Smith on November 15, 2019, 01:40:15 PM
We could have met and discussed KLTFC :cheers: I don't think we would have predicted where we currently stand :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: m a hill on November 15, 2019, 03:39:29 PM
Regarding the 12th man scheme I have mentioned it a few times on here , so to everyone out there who would like to support this scheme, which will  wet much help the Club, please see Barry in the Cafe to sign up
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 15, 2019, 03:51:24 PM
Maybe time for all of those people who said they would happily pay £18 to watch to cough upi the difference at all home games,sure it could bet dropped in one of Stan's buckets? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on November 15, 2019, 05:10:45 PM
https://archive.is/20120803123206/http://www.eastleigh-fc.co.uk/directors-officers

This information may be out of date but they obviously have a fairly sophisticated organisation structure.
One listed is Rob Castle(formerly of King's Lynn) who i went to school with at KES. His parents ran the Grosvenor Hotel on the corner of Broad street.
According top the list he is a committee member and match treasurer.
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on November 15, 2019, 05:29:41 PM
Worrying words from SC, and I definitely donít have any answers for him. The shortfall is remarkable surely adding a commercial manager is worth the risk to see if we can make a dent in that?
John Fincham was the last commercial manager KLFC had that was worth his salt. (No disrespect toanyone else who held the title but who John didnt know around West Norfolk wasn't worth knowing).
Then before the old club went bust i discussed my partner Christine with the club. She was travelling on behalf of Double G Clothing around the East of England daily/weekly and we offered that on 10% COMMISSION ONLY she would call on businesses etc to try and sell advertising, sponsor boards, sponsorship etc. The vehicle and fuel were already supplied so it would NOT have cost the club a single penny. The offer was refused!
Mr Cleeve told us that we had a new commercial manager at least 18 months ago, how many days did that last?
Personally from my previous experience of running the Supporters Club, Clubshop, Functions, away travel etc we are missing a huge trick here.  I would love to hand over the books from what was handed over weekly to support the old club just to show what we are capable off.
My idea would be to have a general/commercial manager/bar manager etc to do all of the above but working on a percentage basis but to ensure that if they are promised 10% for example of what they bring in then that is what they get.
I will put on my tin hat ready for the flack!
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 15, 2019, 05:53:51 PM
Maybe time for all of those people who said they would happily pay £18 to watch to cough upi the difference at all home games,sure it could bet dropped in one of Stan's buckets? :dontknow:
and maybe some could put their money into the club bar and not the Napier:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 15, 2019, 06:02:42 PM
Maybe time for all of those people who said they would happily pay £18 to watch to cough upi the difference at all home games,sure it could bet dropped in one of Stan's buckets? :dontknow:
and maybe some could put their money into the club bar and not the Napier:  :cheers:


I do Stan,but too many it is equally the quality of the beer as well as the price that puts them off,and dare I mention plastic cups! :cheers:
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on November 15, 2019, 10:19:50 PM
Maybe time for all of those people who said they would happily pay £18 to watch to cough upi the difference at all home games,sure it could bet dropped in one of Stan's buckets? :dontknow:
and maybe some could put their money into the club bar and not the Napier:  :cheers:

Just the Lord Napier, or any other licensed establishment Stan?  :cheers:
Title: Re: Tonightís Match
Post by: Stan on November 16, 2019, 05:39:25 AM
Maybe time for all of those people who said they would happily pay £18 to watch to cough upi the difference at all home games,sure it could bet dropped in one of Stan's buckets? :dontknow:
and maybe some could put their money into the club bar and not the Napier:  :cheers:

Just the Lord Napier, or any other licensed establishment Stan?  :cheers:
Drink in the club bar; support your club: supporters not customers.