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Title: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 20, 2019, 05:44:25 PM
Hopefully there will be a good sized crowd for this one.
Had hoped for a decent away contingent, but their supporters' trust have organised a 26 seater coach and there are still places available !
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: westlynnmike on November 21, 2019, 10:03:09 AM
The game is not a high interest event albeit FA Trophy.

If Hereford were "High Flying" in the League and Lynn were in the mix as well there would be more at stake and a higher Away following.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 21, 2019, 12:28:53 PM
Yes Mike, but even so, they average well over 2000 a home game, so struggling to fill a coach of 26 speaks volumes about the mood at the club. They have had some really poor results recently, so pressure on players and manager....could be a tough old game. Seems to be huge disquiet among a section of the fans re the Board/structure etc
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 21, 2019, 12:30:44 PM
Guess it's about the time of week when we start discussing possible line ups  :laughcry:
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 21, 2019, 02:25:29 PM
Start with Gash or stick with the team that won at Southport.   Can state a case for both.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: admin on November 21, 2019, 03:21:25 PM
Tom Ward is cup tied
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 21, 2019, 03:59:35 PM
So Ross Barrows as centre half presumably.
Would personally play Gash up front. Would also like to see Hawkins feature at some stage. Seems sensible to give him some more minutes, so that we have a prepared striker replacement, if required for future games.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 21, 2019, 07:59:43 PM
Thanks for that reminder Admin. Forgotten all about Ward having played for Grantham in a previous round. 

Jones in at right back and Barrows to partner McAuley ?  Will Jarv get a recall or another weeks Reston the bench.., Fryatt, close to a run out in the Reserves or a first bench ?

All to be revealed
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: westlynnmike on November 22, 2019, 08:34:33 AM
The "Make-Up" of the Back Line might well depend on what IC has learnt about Hereford's capabilities of attacking tactics - are they a narrow or wide playing team, stronger on the right or left wing etc.

Who will line up at the Back?        Street - Jones, Barrows, McAuley with Hawkins, Jarvis, Clunan, Richards, Fox and then Henderson, Gash and Marriott. Kelly, Carey, Stewart as preferred Subs getting a decent game time of 30, 20 and 15mins in that order.

Do Lynn try for a strong run in the FA Trophy (make some money in the process) and consolidate a Top 7 spot or throw everything at a tilt at Top Spot?
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 22, 2019, 10:08:00 AM
Stewart is out onloan at Leiston.  Think Alfie Payne will be in the 16.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: TonyM on November 22, 2019, 01:30:28 PM
Do Lynn try for a strong run in the FA Trophy (make some money in the process) and consolidate a Top 7 spot or throw everything at a tilt at Top Spot?

Priorities for Lynn this season had to be:
1) securing our place at step 2 next season on the field - barring a complete meltdown IC & the team look like this will be comfortably achieved by Christmas
2) ensuring the ground meets the FA standard to avoid all the hard work on the pitch going to waste - partially complete in that planning application has been made and grant for bulk of the work secured.  GDF seems to have been and gone leaving the owner to pick up the balance of the tab, still remains to be seen if funds will be made available
3) For me a good run in either the Cup or Trophy is far more beneficial than 'focussing on the league'.  Not just in terms of generating extra funds but with the potential of a big 'day out' or visitor to the Walks generating a focus for putting the front and centre in people's minds.  We didn't have a bad run in the cup but still disappointed to go out to lower league opposition, Saturday is a chance to start another run, this time in the Trophy, and a win against Hereford could see us hosting a big Conference National side at the Walks next month and if we do progress tomorrow, I can't see many National clubs relishing that prospect
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: westlynnmike on November 22, 2019, 07:40:46 PM
Norwich are Away at Everton so we may pick up some non-travelling fans who might like to see a big(ish) club play Hereford  :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 22, 2019, 09:47:19 PM
What do we think in terms of attendance ?

I would be surprised if Hereford bring more than 50, so I am hoping for at least 1250 in total.
Gate receipts are shared, I believe, so the £3750 for winning will be important I guess.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 22, 2019, 10:07:26 PM
I too think a run in the FA Trophy would be good.
However, fans perhaps need to adjust their thinking a little following promotion to step 2. Conference North is unusually laden with 'big ' clubs. Every league game is a bit like a big cup game would have been when the club was in step 3 or 4.
There aren't many clubs in step 1, that are significantly bigger than York, Chester, Hereford etc.
The key has to be (along with improved commercial sponsorship), getting big enough league attendances.
All cup matches have split gate receipts, which can put a big dent in the income from a home tie.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 23, 2019, 05:25:22 AM
What do we think in terms of attendance ?

I would be surprised if Hereford bring more than 50, so I am hoping for at least 1250 in total.
Gate receipts are shared, I believe, so the £3750 for winning will be important I guess.
1,250 would be Lynn's 2nd highest gate of the season and 100 more than the league match earlier in the season. I'd be surprised if the attendance breaks the 1,000 barrier.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 23, 2019, 07:55:46 AM
Top of the league, lots of media coverage this week, Norwich away, I'm hopeful.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 23, 2019, 08:33:11 AM
Bloody wet over this part of the County.   How is it over Lynn way ?

KES, you are of course right the gate receipts( after expenses) have to be split but at least we have a home game so get all the add on’s.   So is an extra day of income.  Let’s hope the home draw luck stays with us ( if we get through today.  Unlike the FA Cup away games.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 23, 2019, 09:34:03 AM
Top of the league, lots of media coverage this week, Norwich away, I'm hopeful.
I hope you're right but you won't be!
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Coastal linnet on November 23, 2019, 10:09:31 AM
Looking forward to today's game. Enjoyed the FA cup run with visits to Alfreton, Leek and Nantwich. Nice friendly places to visit although the performance on the last trip??. A win today and then a home tie against a National League side would be good.
The next two weekends see Lynn at home on Saturdays and Norwich at home on the Sundays so hopefully this may lead to decent attendances at the Walks. After this the cup match! followed by the local derby against Boston. ( How many will they bring 500+?).Then the new year and Spennymoor and York. WOW! what a time to be a Norfolk football supporter!!
COME ON YOU LINNETS!!
( Hopefully the Canaries will start chirping again soon!)
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: dillydilly on November 23, 2019, 11:00:39 AM
I could bore everyone with my choice of line-up, but will reduce by simply saying Kelly and Carey should be in the team, IMHO.  IC has a difficult task every week because the squad is so “equal”, and maybe the trickiest decision is whether, as asked by a previous poster, Gash should return or the Southport team should continue.  Very difficult, as the team are currently very fluent on the floor.  That suggests stay as we are, but MG is good on the ground as well as in the air.  Over to you, IC !
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 23, 2019, 11:17:33 AM
If the pitch is in good nick then it will be big defenders nightmare against balls into feet and being turned on a wet surface.  If the pitch cuts up then Gash will be needed.  Either way we are well good enough to see Hereford off.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 23, 2019, 05:30:29 PM
Well, a tough replay, but a decent earner...50% of a 2000 gate could be handy.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 23, 2019, 05:53:50 PM
Need to make up for the loss today.  840 less expenses give a home gate of around 350.  That won’t pay the wages.

Was a dour game.  Lynn never really got into their stride at all.  To many misplaced passes and lack of zip about us.   Not one IC will want to put his name to.  Thought Jarv and McAuley stood out for us.  A lot of 5/6 outta 10 on display today.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: rabbitintheheadlights on November 23, 2019, 06:25:36 PM
That was a "cup gate" 840!!!
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 23, 2019, 07:12:14 PM
That was a "cup gate" 840!!!
You'll find that some will over predict the attendance so they have something to be negative about when the actual attendance is lower.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 23, 2019, 08:00:35 PM
Think 846 is decent declared attendance for Trophy game , especially when you factor in a miserable day, weather wise. The first of 3 consecutive home games. Always a downturn with Xmas shopping on the agenda. Lack of travelling fans ( I reckon there can have been many more than 20)
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: jesuslinnet on November 23, 2019, 08:03:29 PM
That was a "cup gate" 840!!!
You'll find that some will over predict the attendance so they have something to be negative about when the actual attendance is lower.

I estimated around 800, before it was announced, so not far off what was announced.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 23, 2019, 08:06:09 PM
What do we think the attendance might be at Hereford...given its a cold Tuesday night in late November ?
1700- 2000 ?
I will predict 1850. 
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: m a hill on November 23, 2019, 08:39:45 PM
Today we seemed to lacked a midfield without Hendo on ,but they came for a draw and got one ,they marked Marriot out all the game  but for me the M O T M  was their goalkeeper
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 23, 2019, 09:08:04 PM
Think 846 is decent declared attendance for Trophy game , especially when you factor in a miserable day, weather wise. The first of 3 consecutive home games. Always a downturn with Xmas shopping on the agenda. Lack of travelling fans ( I reckon there can have been many more than 20)

Not a bad attendance I guess and maybe the interest isn't there for the earlier  rounds of The Trophy, especially at this time of year
However, disappointing in the context of the average attendance being around  1100 and the fact that the club need to build on that to pay the bills. I had hoped for 1250 on the basis that Chester was over 1600 and they probably brought 250-300, so around 1300 Lynn fans for that one.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 23, 2019, 10:26:09 PM
That was a "cup gate" 840!!!
You'll find that some will over predict the attendance so they have something to be negative about when the actual attendance is lower.

I estimated around 800, before it was announced, so not far off what was announced.
Very good gate for this stage of the competition. Pre-game, I was predicting 700/750.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on November 23, 2019, 10:39:52 PM
Another interview with IC, (Is the first segment). From before today's game.

https://audioboom.com/posts/7431175-22nd-november-2019-fa-trophy-kings-lynn-town-berkhamsted-bacup-borough-managing-one-club-f
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 24, 2019, 10:24:43 AM
Apparently Wigan and Colchester both had Scouts at yesterday's game, looking at Marriott.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 24, 2019, 12:18:38 PM
Yes B and G , mentioned earlier on another thread.......not sure they will have seen much from that game. Huge jump to Championship. Colchester league 2, but Marriott could be one league below that next year anyway.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 24, 2019, 12:21:04 PM
That was a "cup gate" 840!!!
You'll find that some will over predict the attendance so they have something to be negative about when the actual attendance is lower.

I estimated around 800, before it was announced, so not far off what was announced.
Very good gate for this stage of the competition. Pre-game, I was predicting 700/750.


700/750......v pessimistic of you B and G....this is a side who are top of Conf North, not half way up the SLP !
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 24, 2019, 12:30:53 PM
Interesting interview and article in today’s Non League paper with Adam Marriott.  Loves it at Lynn under Culverhouse but would like another crack at League Football. 

So how much would he be worth to club needing a goalscorer in the January window ?
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on November 24, 2019, 02:10:48 PM
Interesting interview and article in today’s Non League paper with Adam Marriott.  Loves it at Lynn under Culverhouse but would like another crack at League Football. 

So how much would he be worth to club needing a goalscorer in the January window ?

Could be at the bottom end of 6 figures and a friendly, if a club the size of Wigan come in for him. Could be enough to make the club break even this year.

Although it'd hamper our season, you wouldn't begrudge him a chance of full-time championship football. With Marriott, Norman and Blake-Tracey all potentially in the football league, it really says something about Culverhouse (Fryatt's) scouting and coaching abilities.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 24, 2019, 03:34:16 PM
IC was emphasising in interview about the need to protect the front two from overwork. I suspect that is from a number of perspectives. I have a hunch that Hawkins will feature for at least 45 mins in the replay. Would be useful to get him more involved. If Adam should go in January, that is potentially only 5- 8 weeks from now. Even tho' , in the event of him leaving,Lynn might try and bring in a replacement , it would make sense to give Hawkins a good run if possible,to see how he goes.
At this stage, very much ifs and buts and maybes, but no harm in being as prepared as poss.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 24, 2019, 08:23:14 PM
That was a "cup gate" 840!!!
You'll find that some will over predict the attendance so they have something to be negative about when the actual attendance is lower.

I estimated around 800, before it was announced, so not far off what was announced.
Very good gate for this stage of the competition. Pre-game, I was predicting 700/750.
Last season 277 watched Lynn lose at home to Buxton in the trophy. Saturday's attendance pretty good in comparison.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Linnet64 on November 24, 2019, 09:27:33 PM
Good crowd, would have been better had the Hereford brought a few more. All that segregation for 19 supporters. :dontknow: :oldman"
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 24, 2019, 09:35:03 PM
Yes, agreed Stan, tho:
Lynn one league lower and presumably at that stage quite low in that league, whereas currently top.
With respect to Buxton, they are not a Hereford.
Was that match also 3rd qualifying round, because of course Lynn would have entered the competition earlier last year ?
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 24, 2019, 09:49:45 PM
What's undeniable is that crowds are up and by a good way... long may that trend continue.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: dillydilly on November 24, 2019, 11:24:12 PM
Too soon to be really worried, but realistically, the question is creeping into the background as to whether the people of King’s Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level, even in reaching the EFL itself, even maintaining our current level.  Considering the incredible season we have had so far, we certainly shouldn’t be relying on travelling supporters to pull our attendance up to a thousand.  We either need to double the crowd or somehow obtain a proper commercial strategy and policy.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 25, 2019, 03:39:43 AM
Yes, agreed Stan, tho:
Lynn one league lower and presumably at that stage quite low in that league, whereas currently top.
With respect to Buxton, they are not a Hereford.
Was that match also 3rd qualifying round, because of course Lynn would have entered the competition earlier last year ?
York, second in the National League North and a side who average 2,600 at home only had 974 turn up for the Trophy match against Altrincham: that's 38% of their normal gate. If only 38% of Lynn's average attendance had turned up on Saturday then the attendance would have been about 400, so the 850 attendance on Saturday was exceptional when you put things into their proper context and you're not trying to create a deliberately negative spin against the club, knowing that attendance is a sensitive issue for Lynn at the moment.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 25, 2019, 08:01:30 AM
Fully agree with that Dilly... seems a well balanced post.
Would be such a shame if the team were good enough to go up, but the town couldn't support it. Most ofthe  big teams have it the other way round and are trying to buy their way up with large squads, and lack the individual brilliance that Lynn have  (from the top down) this season. Input from SC, IC, staff and players absolutely outstanding. They need one or two large businesses and more supporters to get behind them now.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 25, 2019, 08:27:25 AM
To me the Clubs attendances are now on a slow burn.  The promotion
And subsequent success has seen  a decent uplift from last season.  It’s now at level where we are not going to see any massive uplift ( Boxing Day Boston and York later, apart).  I think we will see it hold its current level as long as the Team remains successful.  If we were to gain promotion ( big if and big ask) then the start of next season will be the time of any massive uplift. 

Reading the Chairmans notes from Saturday it seems he has been inundated with good ideas but it’s back to the lack of personal within the club to take these ideas forward.  I would suggest the Chairman bites the bullet and get the person/people involved to make these ideas happen and increase the commercial revenue at the Club.  It is very limited to keep going back to the same people are asking them to cough even more each time.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: admin on November 25, 2019, 11:29:56 AM
Draw for the next round live at 12.45    https://talksport.com/radioplayer/live/talksport2.html
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 25, 2019, 01:02:45 PM
Win the replay at home to Dover. :scarf:
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: bobbyskins on November 25, 2019, 01:09:51 PM
Should be a good test as Dover have the best away record in league
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: TonyM on November 25, 2019, 01:23:24 PM
Should be a good test as Dover have the best away record in league

Small matter of going to Hereford midweek to overcome first. 

As much as IC and his squad keep producing great results, maybe Saturday was a bit of a wake up call - we swapped a few in and out and that maybe combined with a slightly heavier pitch meant we weren't that fluent, particularly first half, IC changed the shape multiple times during the course of the game but I think the damage was done in how we started - looking to go long too early and we never really got into our stride.  We need to bring the likes of Carey through but it can be a pretty unforgiving environment at times, fans just need to be patient and accept that whilst we are a good side, we can't expect to turn teams over every week - particularly in a cup game where the opposition have set up to play for the replay from the off.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 25, 2019, 01:48:24 PM
Should be a good test as Dover have the best away record in league

Small matter of going to Hereford midweek to overcome first. 

As much as IC and his squad keep producing great results, maybe Saturday was a bit of a wake up call - we swapped a few in and out and that maybe combined with a slightly heavier pitch meant we weren't that fluent, particularly first half, IC changed the shape multiple times during the course of the game but I think the damage was done in how we started - looking to go long too early and we never really got into our stride.  We need to bring the likes of Carey through but it can be a pretty unforgiving environment at times, fans just need to be patient and accept that whilst we are a good side, we can't expect to turn teams over every week - particularly in a cup game where the opposition have set up to play for the replay from the off.


If we wish to progress I think we need Clunan and Henderson on from the start.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Linnet64 on November 25, 2019, 09:48:26 PM
Does having more home games on Radio Norfolk and almost every game the score being updated live make a difference to the attendances?
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 26, 2019, 05:01:30 AM
Too soon to be really worried, but realistically, the question is creeping into the background as to whether the people of King’s Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level, even in reaching the EFL itself, even maintaining our current level.  Considering the incredible season we have had so far, we certainly shouldn’t be relying on travelling supporters to pull our attendance up to a thousand.  We either need to double the crowd or somehow obtain a proper commercial strategy and policy.
Dilly, you should be flattered that the Great One has pronounced your post "sensible" but just remember that
10 sides in the National League function on attendances of 1,400 or less. Lynn aren't a million miles away from that.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 26, 2019, 08:05:06 AM
How many of those 10 teams are full time Stan ?  In fact are there any clubs at that level now part time ?   Must have a wage bill in excess of (circa) £750k. That isn’t funded by 1400
Gates.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: TonyM on November 26, 2019, 01:48:08 PM
... just remember that 10 sides in the National League function on attendances of 1,400 or less. Lynn aren't a million miles away from that.

OK Stan, looking at the current 'bottom 5' National teams in the attendance table, basically below 1300 which wouldn't be an unrealistic figure for us should we be promoted (certainly budgeting for anything above that would be very optimistic / reckless).  Three of these clubs (Boreham Wood, Harrogate & Maidenhead) have artificial surfaces available that looks like it provides an additional source of income - something not available to Lynn and a source of frustration to SC reading his notes from the weekend and Maidenhead also benefit from a peppercorn rent on their ground.  I would also guess that 4 of these 5 have a much greater opportunity commercially with maybe only Dover in a similar position to ourselves in terms of the surrounding business community.

So, 'could' we survive in the National, going full-time with all that would entail?  Unlikely in my view based on the current infrastructure at the club but I would accept that there are others currently plying their trade in the National who might provide some answers as to how it could be done in the future.  Btw all of the clubs in that bottom 5 look to have much better facilities than ourselves, maybe once the ground improvements for step 2 are secured this could be something again that is looked at although the Walks site doesn't make that easy, but might be a useful step towards attaining National league football.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: admin on November 26, 2019, 04:43:05 PM
Radio coverage for tonight's game appears to be on
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_hereford_worcester
and
https://www.talkingbull.org/radio/
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 26, 2019, 05:48:24 PM
Too soon to be really worried, but realistically, the question is creeping into the background as to whether the people of King’s Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level, even in reaching the EFL itself, even maintaining our current level.  Considering the incredible season we have had so far, we certainly shouldn’t be relying on travelling supporters to pull our attendance up to a thousand.  We either need to double the crowd or somehow obtain a proper commercial strategy and policy.
Ok Tony (& Mallard) Dilly, in the post above raises the question of "whether the people of King's Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level." He is clearly talking about fans and attendances in that statement, suggesting that there is not enough demand in the community. By citing the fact that 10 National League clubs have attendances that are not much higher than Lynn's, for me is pretty clear evidence that our fan base is potentially a National League fanbase thus challenging his concern.
My post was not about whether the club has the financial or management infrastructure to cope with the National League. From what I can see, as an outsider, I would say that it doesn't and have said so on an earlier post when I agreed wholeheartedly with Mallard in that regard.
So, Gentlemen, I hope that clarifies my position and that we can all agree that the club does have a potentially National League fanbase but does not yet have the other essentials necessary to survive at Step 1.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 26, 2019, 05:58:40 PM
Fair post Stan.  I’d like to argue with it, but I can’t.   :laughcry: :clap:
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: TonyM on November 26, 2019, 06:22:27 PM
Too soon to be really worried, but realistically, the question is creeping into the background as to whether the people of King’s Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level, even in reaching the EFL itself, even maintaining our current level.  Considering the incredible season we have had so far, we certainly shouldn’t be relying on travelling supporters to pull our attendance up to a thousand.  We either need to double the crowd or somehow obtain a proper commercial strategy and policy.
Ok Tony (& Mallard) Dilly, in the post above raises the question of "whether the people of King's Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level." He is clearly talking about fans and attendances in that statement, suggesting that there is not enough demand in the community. By citing the fact that 10 National League clubs have attendances that are not much higher than Lynn's, for me is pretty clear evidence that our fan base is potentially a National League fanbase thus challenging his concern.
My post was not about whether the club has the financial or management infrastructure to cope with the National League. From what I can see, as an outsider, I would say that it doesn't and have said so on an earlier post when I agreed wholeheartedly with Mallard in that regard.
So, Gentlemen, I hope that clarifies my position and that we can all agree that the club does have a potentially National League fanbase but does not yet have the other essentials necessary to survive at Step 1.

Sorry Stan but you are twisting things to the point of complete nonsense - we are not in a similar position to some of the clubs you have compared Lynn with so therefore we don't have a 'National League' fanbase (whatever that may be) as Lynn's fanbase would have much more to cover than some other clubs - if we find a benefactor with really deep pockets who wants to subsidise the club for a year or two that still wouldn't change the fact, in the same way that ultimately Histon didn't have a National League fanbase as shown all too clearly when their benefactor pulled the finance. 

Owners will come and go (some sooner than hoped, some later) but we are probably playing at as high a level as the current fanbase and owner can support, particularly in light of SC's last two programme notes that attendance receipts are a good way shy of where he needs them to be.  Therefore the club has, at best, a 'National North' fanbase (there are currently 9 teams in our league with higher attendances if that makes you feel better)
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 26, 2019, 07:21:41 PM
Tony, the only thing "twisting" is your misunderstanding of a very simple position. You're missing my point matey. I'll get back to you.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 26, 2019, 08:01:46 PM
whether the people of King’s Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level,
Tony, let's try it this way: how do you interpret Dilly's contention above? I ask this because I believe that it is the source of our disagreement.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: dillydilly on November 26, 2019, 08:53:56 PM
Half-time of another impressive start for our team at Hereford, so opportunity to join the discussion.  I believe the record we have this season should have us pulling in crowds as good as the “big” games of the last couple of years.  The Slough game showed the kind of latent interest there is in the area, and our performances should surely be creating that level of interest.  The fact that it isn’t makes me think that perhaps we are not the “sleeping giant” we have always thought and boasted.  This is not pessimism or negativity, it is reluctant realism.  But we’re not too late.  We have a very exciting rest of season left, and if IC, SC, players and staff an keep it up, we just might see a real upturn in attendance.  Spread the word !  But, inevitably, we must get a commercial scheme up and running on a proper basis.......  COYL !
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: TonyM on November 26, 2019, 10:03:05 PM
... whether the people of King’s Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level, even in reaching the EFL itself, even maintaining our current level.  Considering the incredible season we have had so far, we certainly shouldn’t be relying on travelling supporters to pull our attendance up to a thousand.  We either need to double the crowd or somehow obtain a proper commercial strategy and policy.

Stan, just for clarity, I would agree with the final sentence (prefer both) and to me it's pretty clear that currently there isn't sufficient support in the local area to support a National League side at the Walks.  Whether IC's team 'deserves' greater attendances is a moot point - the attendance is the number of people who are willing to pay to come and watch.  Yes, this could grow over time but it won't be an overnight fix and I think a period of 'establishing ourselves' at step 2 plus the odd cup run would be a realistic short term aim whilst consolidating the core supporter base.  I do totally agree with this part of DD's later post

...makes me think that perhaps we are not the “sleeping giant” we have always thought and boasted.  This is not pessimism or negativity, it is reluctant realism...
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: TonyM on November 26, 2019, 10:08:44 PM
Great result tonight, don't think it should be underestimated what it takes to go that distance midweek and produce the performances/results that IC and his squad have been getting.  Back to the league Saturday so need to refocus but also hoping that we get a good crowd for Dover - real test and might be stretching some budgets with four consecutive Saturdays on the bounce, what can we (the fans) do to see the gate over 1500?
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 26, 2019, 10:37:10 PM
Tony,  the gates are short of what most clubs enjoy in the National League.  Do you believe Kings Lynn ( and district) has the potential to support a Club in the top tier of Non League Football?

You say that it would be beneficial to have a few seasons at this level to consolidate crowds.  What was the average crowd for the last time we played at this level when we were a very mediocre team at this level ? 

It’s a gamble which ever way we go.  It’s not like The Chairman can say to IC, I don’t want promotion this season.  If it’s on then surely the Club as a whole has to give it a real good go. 

Think the commercial side failings are the Club have been well documented.  The thing is for the club to progress then we need all our ducks lined up in a row. We have to capitalise on every advantage we have.

Could the Chairman do more to bring in extra revenue ?
Could the fans do more to bring more friends, family etc ?
Could the media department do more to spread the word ?

If the answers to all the above is yes then that’s a start point.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: dillydilly on November 26, 2019, 11:27:04 PM
Mallard asks about “potential”.  I believe we do have that potential.  As well as the disadvantage of our geographical position, it is also a distinct advantage available to very few other clubs.......  It means we have a catchment of approx 120,000 people with no club in competition with us at this level.  But we have to attract those potential additions to our regular gate.  I’ve always believed our ground is not impressive enough, in terms of comfort and development to sufficiently interest those “armchair fans” and once again, the only way that problem can be addressed is through a proper financial structure, to enable ground improvement enough to impress the missing many throughout West Norfolk.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 27, 2019, 06:15:03 AM
... whether the people of King’s Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level, even in reaching the EFL itself, even maintaining our current level.  Considering the incredible season we have had so far, we certainly shouldn’t be relying on travelling supporters to pull our attendance up to a thousand.  We either need to double the crowd or somehow obtain a proper commercial strategy and policy.

Stan, just for clarity, I would agree with the final sentence (prefer both) and to me it's pretty clear that currently there isn't sufficient support in the local area to support a National League side at the Walks.  Whether IC's team 'deserves' greater attendances is a moot point - the attendance is the number of people who are willing to pay to come and watch.  Yes, this could grow over time but it won't be an overnight fix and I think a period of 'establishing ourselves' at step 2 plus the odd cup run would be a realistic short term aim whilst consolidating the core supporter base.  I do totally agree with this part of DD's later post

...makes me think that perhaps we are not the “sleeping giant” we have always thought and boasted.  This is not pessimism or negativity, it is reluctant realism...
But Tony, ten National League sides function on attendances that are not much higher than Lynn's. If they can do it why can't Lynn?
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on November 27, 2019, 07:57:44 AM
 :oldman"  :farmer: Does 715 attendance at Hereford last night,put to bed a lot of people questioning our attendance against the same team on Saturday. I firmly believe our attendance was good on Saturday and compare our attendance in accordance with other teams in our league and we certainly had a higher percentage of regular fans in. It is the early stages of the trophy and attendance will pick up the further we progress, many families can not afford to attend all games,so indeed priorities,given Christmas 🎄 also just around the corner,all the insecurities in modern life,our attendance on Saturday was I believe good. As I have stated on threads before I feel personally that 1500 people through the turnstiles is around as good as KLTFC could realistically hope for on a regular basis. There will be matches when this figure is exceeded and I feel we have at least 2 large gates to come later in the season,maybe more if we are still fighting for the title and involved in the latter stages of the trophy.
Onwards and upwards and I just felt I had to post this as in my nearly 50 years of attending matches at the Walks, we have always had peaks and troughs in attendance and this will always continue in my humble opinion.  :oldman" :farmer:


Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 27, 2019, 08:24:02 AM
... whether the people of King’s Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level, even in reaching the EFL itself, even maintaining our current level.  Considering the incredible season we have had so far, we certainly shouldn’t be relying on travelling supporters to pull our attendance up to a thousand.  We either need to double the crowd or somehow obtain a proper commercial strategy and policy.

Stan, just for clarity, I would agree with the final sentence (prefer both) and to me it's pretty clear that currently there isn't sufficient support in the local area to support a National League side at the Walks.  Whether IC's team 'deserves' greater attendances is a moot point - the attendance is the number of people who are willing to pay to come and watch.  Yes, this could grow over time but it won't be an overnight fix and I think a period of 'establishing ourselves' at step 2 plus the odd cup run would be a realistic short term aim whilst consolidating the core supporter base.  I do totally agree with this part of DD's later post

...makes me think that perhaps we are not the “sleeping giant” we have always thought and boasted.  This is not pessimism or negativity, it is reluctant realism...
But Tony, ten National League sides function on attendances that are not much higher than Lynn's. If they can do it why can't Lynn?

Do we know how these 10 clubs are funded to offset the attendance level ?
 
Are they part-time with a low budget
A board of directors who prop the thing up
A highly polished Commercial department
3G pitch and a stadium that brings money in to make up the shortfall.

To easy to compare eggs with oranges if we don’t have the full facts.

Lynn and Stephen Cleeve ( after all there is only him) have to find a way of making the Club self sufficient and sustainable.  At whatever level we find ourselves.  That’s the big challenge.

I still feel a lot more could be achieved from commercial activity with local business.   I was reading updates last night and saw Gordon Chilvers state that the club never made any attempt to retain his sponsorship.   Ok, I would suggest it wouldn’t be a huge amount but it all adds up. That long time sponsor seems to now be lost to the club as he is putting his money in elsewhere.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Bluboy on November 27, 2019, 09:34:30 AM
I can see both sides of each discussion here , but for me over the last 15 years of watching lynn 1000 to 1200  is the average best we can get then bumped up attendances for the bigger games or teams
We get 1600 to see Chester (say 1500lynn)  then 1000 for next home games ... the Chester game was most probably and well documented as one of the best games seen so how after watching that do 400-500 not think about coming back until let’s say Dover or Boston , York????
But then that’s most probably same in premier all fans want to see Chelsea but following week Burnley not so appealing.
I feel for ic and sc as I personally think they’re going above and beyond this season  and to be honest wouldn’t want to even guess how to run the club better than sc my heart says let’s go for it ... my head says could it damage our resurrecting club again ??
While I’m on subject of fans well done to the 11 fans that went down last night ... that’s some loyalty perhaps another 1600 like them we need  :bus:
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 27, 2019, 10:23:25 AM
Blue boy I would suggest the current level of top of the League at Step is unprecedented for a good few years, let alone the last 10-15 years. Factor in the standard and style of Football that is being produced at The Walks then I would say further more we are in unchartered waters on this one. 

For sure of course people can’t be forced to attend but that doesn’t mean we have to stop beating the drum.  I think it will continue to be a slow burn and the deeper into the season we go the more the average attendance will creep up.  Subject of course to the continuing success of the team.

All credit to the 11 fans who travelled last night. Great commitment, which is more than can be said for our media team, non of which could travel.   That’s something that needs a more professional approach if we were to move up a level.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: GrahamB on November 27, 2019, 10:58:26 AM
I  would , Mallard, consider your last statement regarding the media team to be unfair. None of these posts I believe are paid posts by the club. Therefore due to previous work commitments and an unfortunate family bereavement no one was able to travel at short notice. If it is such an issue could you not have gone and posted for the rest of us , who had work commitments, or someone on your behalf?
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Nigel1505 on November 27, 2019, 11:29:37 AM
Go back years ago, late 1950's/1960's, and look at the attendance's then. Money was tighter then, and if my memory is correct the stadium was packed, or it was just when I went with my Grandfather. Is this true, or is my memory wrong. I can remember standing underneath the main stand and it was like being on the tube in London. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: macfleetwood1 on November 27, 2019, 11:51:05 AM
Nigel, you are not wrong, I used to go with my father in the 50s and early 60s, we would stand behind the goal at the hospital end, which in those days  was well banked, with a huge scoreboard, at times to would climb the ladder onto the score board and sit on the walkway, great view! At times it would be so packed, the children were allowed to sit on the grass, at their own risk of course. while we are talking about attendances the last full season we had in the northern section, Blue Square , our average attendance was 987, which was second best, and we finished 17th! We do have 2 big paydays to come, Boston and York, but if we stay in contention there is no reason we should not get 1200/1400 most games, for £15 its great value. Quick comment on last night, we have to find room for Kelly and Carey. Well done lads.   
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 27, 2019, 11:52:26 AM
Go back years ago, late 1950's/1960's, and look at the attendance's then. Money was tighter then, and if my memory is correct the stadium was packed, or it was just when I went with my Grandfather. Is this true, or is my memory wrong. I can remember standing underneath the main stand and it was like being on the tube in London. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure.
I think your memory serves you very well.

My Father used to take me to the games from when I was 7 years of age (63 now). I'm sure mid week games used to be on a Wednesday then, and yes it was packed. So packed, that loads of people used to leave two minutes before the end, to avoid the queues to get OUT of the ground (and there were still queues, even then).

One of the main difference between then and now, is that 50 plus years ago, football was very much the working mans game. I'm sure that the cost of entry against income was much lower. I can't remember exactly how much it was to get in (although I can remember how much Cyril Crane used to charge for his Speedway), but I can say with certainty that if Football, anywhere, not just KL, was  as expensive then as it is now my Father would never have gone, let alone take me.

And of course, there were not so many other activities in those days where people could spend their money.

Anyone remember the entrance cost in early to mid 60's?
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: macfleetwood1 on November 27, 2019, 12:01:21 PM
B and G, adults a shilling (5p) for me it was sixpence, 2 1/2 p, the programme was a sickly yellow colour and was 3p, this was 1960. And we would have  3P cup of tea from one of the small tea bars on each end of the small stand.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 27, 2019, 12:07:09 PM
B and G, adults a shilling (5p) for me it was sixpence, 2 1/2 p, the programme was a sickly yellow colour and was 3p, this was 1960. And we would have  3P cup of tea from one of the small tea bars on each end of the small stand.

Thanks. I thought it was around that amount, but didn't want to guess.

Very much the working mans game in those days (before prawn sandwiches).

 :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Colin Fuller on November 27, 2019, 12:49:39 PM
Good points made by Blue and Gold. Attendances generally were higher in non league in the 50s and 60s and Lynn regularly attracted 1500 - and more for local derbies against Wisbech, the Cambridge clubs etc. The old Eastern Pro Floodlit League usually pulled in over 1000.  One of the attractions for me, as a young football fan, was the chance to see former internationals like John Charles, Cliff Jones, Reg Davies, Ted Ditchburn etc. Can you imagine today’s Premier League players needing to prolong their careers in non league?
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on November 27, 2019, 12:58:40 PM
 :farmer: :oldman" There are so many more sporting events and cinemas and concerts etc etc, for people to now spend the income they have spare on now as opossed to years gone bye. Most families not only have 1 car but generally more, this means transportation to other events is easier than in the past. Many people with young families will say perhaps go to McDonald's,Burger King and then visit a cinema, there is hockey at lynnsport(free to watch) as is rugby at West Norfolk rufc to namebut a few, we are competing against.
Just as another point of interest, Only 10 days ago Northampton Saints Rugby were offering 3 matches in the European Champions cup for a total cost of £40 for adults, this is the equivalent competition as champions league football,so this is a slight journey by car but very reasonable priced sport, not a million miles down the road.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: TonyM on November 27, 2019, 01:23:24 PM
Tony,  the gates are short of what most clubs enjoy in the National League.  Do you believe Kings Lynn ( and district) has the potential to support a Club in the top tier of Non League Football?
Currently no, in the future, possibly but getting to the numbers required will take time, hence...
You say that it would be beneficial to have a few seasons at this level to consolidate crowds.  What was the average crowd for the last time we played at this level when we were a very mediocre team at this level ? 
1058.  We are on our highest average attendance since 86-87 which is another reason to doubt there are another 500 fans just waiting for National League football to come to the Walks.  I don't doubt attendances would rise with higher profile opposition, greater away support etc but given the radical shake up required to the cost base and squad (how many could afford to or would even want to go full time) I can't see how the numbers add up
https://www.thelinnets.co.uk/attendances-compared2019.php
It’s a gamble which ever way we go.  It’s not like The Chairman can say to IC, I don’t want promotion this season.  If it’s on then surely the Club as a whole has to give it a real good go. 
I think that would be speculating for disaster not for accumulation.  I am not saying we 'throw games' but if we can't afford the current squad I hope SC resists any pressure to add to that burden after Christmas, at least until the ground improvements are complete and paid for, remember the last time we were at this level it wasn't results on field that got us relegated.
Think the commercial side failings are the Club have been well documented.  The thing is for the club to progress then we need all our ducks lined up in a row. We have to capitalise on every advantage we have.

Could the Chairman do more to bring in extra revenue ?
Could the fans do more to bring more friends, family etc ?
Could the media department do more to spread the word ?

If the answers to all the above is yes then that’s a start point.
All those questions were equally valid at the start of the season.  SC has been trying to bring in more income since he took over with variable success or are you now saying circumstances may mean he is willing to reduce his shareholding in an attempt to bring in more funds?  Fans should always be looking to introduce newcomers, particularly as we are so dependant on the financial doping of a single benefactor.  I know you have a 'problem' with the media dept, but we are where we are and unless/until we have a massive shake up behind the scenes I really don't see what is going to change and that certainly wouldn't be where I would start the changes
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Nigel1505 on November 27, 2019, 01:25:51 PM
Every man wore a flat cap, and bog rolls came from everywhere when a goal was scored. :laughcry:
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Coastal linnet on November 27, 2019, 01:46:50 PM
Its all Izal bog rolls were fit for!
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Nigel1505 on November 27, 2019, 01:53:11 PM
John Wayne rolls, rough, tough and take no hsit. :thanks:
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Linnet64 on November 27, 2019, 02:25:54 PM
Today everyone has transport and access to visit Norwich City, back in the 50s and 60s it was watching Lynn or nowt for most.  :oldman"
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: macfleetwood1 on November 27, 2019, 02:50:20 PM
Don't forget the wooden rattle, my grandad gave me his, painted blue and yellow, with A.R.P. etched on it. I knew the war was good for something.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: KES80 on November 27, 2019, 03:08:46 PM
 Yep still got mine somewhere.......used to give it some welly as the team ran out to "blaze away"
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 28, 2019, 09:15:20 AM
Tony,  the gates are short of what most clubs enjoy in the National League.  Do you believe Kings Lynn ( and district) has the potential to support a Club in the top tier of Non League Football?
Currently no, in the future, possibly but getting to the numbers required will take time, hence...
You say that it would be beneficial to have a few seasons at this level to consolidate crowds.  What was the average crowd for the last time we played at this level when we were a very mediocre team at this level ? 
1058.  We are on our highest average attendance since 86-87 which is another reason to doubt there are another 500 fans just waiting for National League football to come to the Walks.  I don't doubt attendances would rise with higher profile opposition, greater away support etc but given the radical shake up required to the cost base and squad (how many could afford to or would even want to go full time) I can't see how the numbers add up
https://www.thelinnets.co.uk/attendances-compared2019.php
It’s a gamble which ever way we go.  It’s not like The Chairman can say to IC, I don’t want promotion this season.  If it’s on then surely the Club as a whole has to give it a real good go. 
I think that would be speculating for disaster not for accumulation.  I am not saying we 'throw games' but if we can't afford the current squad I hope SC resists any pressure to add to that burden after Christmas, at least until the ground improvements are complete and paid for, remember the last time we were at this level it wasn't results on field that got us relegated.
Think the commercial side failings are the Club have been well documented.  The thing is for the club to progress then we need all our ducks lined up in a row. We have to capitalise on every advantage we have.

Could the Chairman do more to bring in extra revenue ?
Could the fans do more to bring more friends, family etc ?
Could the media department do more to spread the word ?

If the answers to all the above is yes then that’s a start point.
All those questions were equally valid at the start of the season.  SC has been trying to bring in more income since he took over with variable success or are you now saying circumstances may mean he is willing to reduce his shareholding in an attempt to bring in more funds?  Fans should always be looking to introduce newcomers, particularly as we are so dependant on the financial doping of a single benefactor.  I know you have a 'problem' with the media dept, but we are where we are and unless/until we have a massive shake up behind the scenes I really don't see what is going to change and that certainly wouldn't be where I would start the changes
Obviously, it's impossible to be definitive as there are so many variables but assuming there are decent structures in place like decent sponsorship etc, and taking account of tv monies ( how much do National League sides receive?) what size attendance do you feel would be needed to sustain a National League presence for Lynn?
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 28, 2019, 09:36:53 AM
Yep still got mine somewhere.......used to give it some welly as the team ran out to "blaze away"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTNkaumX-VQ
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 28, 2019, 11:00:16 AM
Only 700 at the Hereford replay, again puts Lynn's excellent attendance on Saturday into context. Some were predicting 2,000!
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 28, 2019, 11:39:01 AM
Traditionally gates always slip on the lead up to Christmas though this should be more than offset by a bumper Boston Utd crowd.   Be really interesting to see how many we pull in for that game.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 28, 2019, 11:43:14 AM
Traditionally gates always slip on the lead up to Christmas though this should be more than offset by a bumper Boston Utd crowd.   Be really interesting to see how many we pull in for that game.
Which makes that attendance last Saturday even more impressive.
It's never wise to start talking up high attendances for future matches.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Paulos on November 28, 2019, 11:33:03 PM
Which leads to an interesting couple of games against them over xmas esp now they sneaked into top 5 of the table too.


Traditionally gates always slip on the lead up to Christmas though this should be more than offset by a bumper Boston Utd crowd.   Be really interesting to see how many we pull in for that game.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 29, 2019, 08:14:51 AM
Yep Boston are well in the mix at sharp end of the table and no doubt their FA Cup run (2nd round Saturday) is swelling the club coffers.   Not a flashy side but one that keeps grinding out results.  Think Marriot will have a field day.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 30, 2019, 09:51:55 AM
Our next opponents: Dover sit twelfth in the National League, have attendances similar to Lynn and no artificial pitch.
Don't listen to the naysayers folks: it can be done.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 30, 2019, 10:04:22 AM
Yep Boston are well in the mix at sharp end of the table and no doubt their FA Cup run (2nd round Saturday) is swelling the club coffers.   Not a flashy side but one that keeps grinding out results.  Think Marriot will have a field day.
I wonder if some of their fans hope they don't get promoted.
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 30, 2019, 11:22:38 AM
Talking to a few Boston fans they feel their level is The National League.  They certainly over achieved with Steve Evans with dire consequence’s. ( that’s another story).  New ground ready to start next season.  Will miss my trips to York Street, ‘proper’ non League ground
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Stan on November 30, 2019, 11:33:52 AM
Talking to a few Boston fans they feel their level is The National League.  They certainly over achieved with Steve Evans with dire consequence’s. ( that’s another story).  New ground ready to start next season.  Will miss my trips to York Street, ‘proper’ non League ground
What do Boston have in place that Lynn are apparently incapable of ever obtaining?
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Nigel1505 on November 30, 2019, 12:24:42 PM
A dual carriage way through town, the John Adams way. :laughcry:
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on November 30, 2019, 02:13:58 PM
Talking to a few Boston fans they feel their level is The National League.  They certainly over achieved with Steve Evans with dire consequence’s. ( that’s another story).  New ground ready to start next season.  Will miss my trips to York Street, ‘proper’ non League ground
What do Boston have in place that Lynn are apparently incapable of ever obtaining?
  :oldman" :oldman" :oldman" :oldman" :freezing: :freezing: :oldman" :oldman" : :oldman" :oldman"
Lots of full sponsors boards and serious money coming in through many other forms of sponsorship.
 :farmer:                                                                                                                      :farmer:
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Blue Moon on November 30, 2019, 05:41:35 PM
And the sale of the old ground
Title: Re: Hereford
Post by: Mallard on November 30, 2019, 06:50:04 PM
Doesn’t belong to the Club.  Owner by the Malkinson family as I recall.