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Title: View from the Chair
Post by: TonyM on December 04, 2019, 02:07:35 PM
The club are running another event in the B&G.  Tomorrow it is the turn of SC to face what I would assume will be a fairly gentle Q&A session with Mark Hearle.  Everyone is very keen to stress this isn't a fans forum so don't go with that expectation but even so its a chance to hear SC's take on things and maybe a nod or two towards things that are in the pipeline and there might be the odd question from the floor at the end.

Tickets are £9 in advance or £10 on the door (inc a hot dog and a pint) and as they are still pushing this on Twitter, my guess is it isn't yet a sell out.  Doors open at 6.30 for a 7pm start

Hope to see as many there as possible.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Colin Fuller on December 04, 2019, 03:05:05 PM
It would be interesting to know whether Mr Cleeve believes the club has the infra-structure to support a National League campaign if Lynn win promotion at the end of the season.  I live in Leicestershire so wonít be attending but some feedback on this forum on what he has to say would be appreciated.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: m a hill on December 04, 2019, 03:13:26 PM
Itís same night we go to Ballroom dancing lessons
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Nigel1505 on December 04, 2019, 03:30:01 PM
 :nilpoints:
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on December 04, 2019, 03:39:41 PM
:nilpoints:
:laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Mallard on December 04, 2019, 03:47:44 PM
Itís same night we go to Ballroom dancing lessons

Fab-u-las darling

Not one I can make sadly.  Should be an interesting night.   Are the questions Mark is putting to Stephen ones from the supporters or questions they have agreed between them ?

Mark ?
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Nigel1505 on December 04, 2019, 04:14:33 PM
O' ye of little faith. He is the best chairman we have had in my life time.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Mallard on December 04, 2019, 04:20:52 PM
Nigel. I think I have to agree with you.  Maybe on level par with Keith Chapman.  Letís hope we all continue to think that for many years to come.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Nigel1505 on December 04, 2019, 05:16:11 PM
Agree, good grief, that's more than my wife does. :banghead;
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Bovril on December 04, 2019, 09:27:13 PM
If anyone is attending this tomorrow night would like to know if one of our players is leaving in January? as heard a rumour today? seems strange as the position we are in and the attendances we are getting ? as the fee didnít seem that great 🤷🏼‍♂️ actually think keeping this bunch of players together we could win this league and gain promotion 🤞it isnít true.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Mark A Hearle on December 05, 2019, 07:40:07 AM
Tony has put thing's very well about this evening.

The format will be relaxed with an informal chat about the past, present and future with some questions from the floor to round the evening off.

Will be nice to see a few of you down later.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: westlynnmike on December 05, 2019, 11:09:25 AM
Itís same night we go to Ballroom dancing lessons

Is that as the Instructor, Judge or making the tea and sarnie's Malcolm (Len "it's a 7") Hill.  :dontknow:  :cup2:  :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Colin Fuller on December 05, 2019, 12:53:22 PM
Just read Mr Cleeveís tweet about answering those ďburning questionsĒ fans want to put to him tonight. He is indicating heís prepared for questions from the floor. Hopefully there will be a good turn out prepared to address some of the concerns regularly aired on this forum.  Once again, please post some accurate feedback for those of who canít be there.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: TonyM on December 06, 2019, 11:10:16 AM
So, for those that couldn't make it here is a brief summary.  I will post my thoughts / opinions as a different post and try to keep this one 'neutral', although it wasn't a minute taking type of evening

Around 25 people came along to hear SC's thoughts on past, present and future, with Mark Hearle steering the conversation based on a chronological timeline.

* How SC came to be involved - always been a football fan, with Chelsea being 'his' team but had looked at Wrexham, Cambridge but for various reasons not the right fit.  Family commitments and location made Norfolk attractive and King's Lynn were, in effect, the only option.  Looked into the club and liked the history / potential.  Met with Buster and had a number of false starts in buying the club before eventually getting the deal got over the line.  Praise for the work Buster had done but effectively had taken the club as far as he was willing, moving up would be a greater financial risk, also added that Buster never really understood 'football'

* The first season - hadn't had contact with GS prior to buying the club but happy to give him a chance when he took over.  Thought GS did OK but with limited budget and also other work commitments didn't see him taking the club forward, got to after Christmas (ish) and could see Lynn were not going up and not going down so looked to make the change.  Met IC through a Daggenham scouting trip and 'got on' and things progressed, change mid-season was to give IC the best chance at a promotion push the following season by having a look at what was already at the club and what would be required

* 17/18 season - very happy with the progress under IC, particularly the style of football played.  Highlights being doing the double over Hereford and the Weymouth playoff semi, low point was the playoff final defeat which was combined with illness inc trips to the hospital.  Knew IC was going 2-3 months prior to the end of the season but IC wanted to stay on till the end of the year.  Also the manner that Oxford dealt with signing Cameron Norman has left a bad taste.

* 18/19 season - with IC departed the club needed a new manager and praised Simon Clark's effort but acknowledged that IC had left some big boots to fill.  Apparent fairly quickly that it was the wrong choice and thought Clarke may have 'lost the dressing room' buy overcomplicating things and being 'afraid to lose'.  Did praise Clark for the signings made.  Knew he needed IC back and B&F were always 'short term' (impression was this was a mutual thing).  Got IC back and immediately confident we would make playoffs as he thought the squad was better with Clark's signings plus Marriott & Hendo signed by B&F.  Surprised by ease at which we won the Central playoff games but critical of the off field mess that the authorities made of the playoffs / super playoff situation, but did all he could to keep this away from the players.  Warrington was relief as thought we had blown it in second half but thought only one team in it during extra time.

* current season - didn't really know what to expect as hadn't seen much step 2 football and target was to 'stay in the league' but not as surprised as some at how well we are doing, pointing to better pitches helping 'our' style, teams not having seen us before and also no longer being the big team in a league to be shot at so possibility that some of the bigger teams are struggling to be 'up' to face King's Lynn.  Now thinks playoffs are a realistic goal as squad size / budget will probably win out over the course of the season when it comes to the top spot, could be us but unlikely.

* future - step 1 achievable with existing squad / facilities / crowds but would need more infrastructure behind the scenes as more admin burden, biggest issue / block to going full time would be training facilities.  Would be a risk if crowds couldn't be maintained due to results / league position.  Extra income from being in a higher league would be swallowed up in travel / accommodation / admin costs leaving not much more for playing budget.

Other themes throughout included
* pitch - massive amount of work has been done but still much more to do (see below)
* commercial - acknowledges needs more support but bringing in a full time person, even on £20K who then produces £10K extra means a hit to the club
* facilities - work now done for this season, knows what is required if we go to step 1 (minimal) and football league (lots, inc new changing rooms 'somewhere' as they can't be fitted under the stands)

Questions (apologies if I have got some of the answers included in the above)
* volunteers need to be loved more???
* does SC want us to go up?  After consideration, yes
* will someone come in to help on the commercial side next season whether we go up or not?  Needed, so probably
* Friends / Trust need to work more together?  Not really under SC's control but grateful to both organisations for money into the club, also praised the proposed donation from a group of fans from the main stand
* Sheet for frost, possible collection to be organised in the away end at Boston?  SC said cover would be about £4K, if the collection could even raise half that (questioner thought we might have 1000 travelling so £2 average donation) SC would match it

Sorry if I have missed anything or anyone else thinks that any of the above needs correcting but it was a pretty long evening
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: dillydilly on December 06, 2019, 12:47:52 PM
 Thanks to TonyM for his comprehensive report.  IMHO the Chairman showed, as he has done throughout his tenure, that, even considering the excellent standard of the players, SC is the clubís finest acquisition for decades.  Obviously the hardest thing in the future could be keeping IC and some of the players, but if we can keep SC there must be a chance of further progress.... 
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: TonyM on December 06, 2019, 01:43:19 PM
So, my personal thoughts on last night. 

Firstly, a very, very disappointing turn out, I know we all have lives away from the Walks at 3pm on Saturdays but I certainly thought there would have been more people there.

I haven't always been SC's biggest fan, partly because I don't believe in the benefactor model and partly because I think he has got some pretty fundamental things wrong in the past but I thought last night he came across very well.  He is first and foremost a football fan (in fact he thought it helped him initially that he wasn't a 'Lynn fan' which allowed him to think with his head rather than his heart) who obviously takes a great deal of pride in how IC sets his teams up to play.  He shares a lot of traits with many business owner-managers I have worked with and that remains a worry for me in terms of expanding the off-field team but he seems to have an idea of what that structure would look like, even if he wouldn't put a timescale on when we might see it in practice it last night.

The other big thing that impressed, other than his willingness to sit at the front and take questions, was I now have a different slant on things that have been appearing in the programmes this season - things that happen at 'other clubs'.  I had always read this as having been written in a 'self-pitying' way but last night when he spoke about things other clubs do, he obviously is all the time looking at how he could adopt or tweak what he sees elsewhere to his situation at the Walks.  Whether it was my reading or his writing I am not sure but I have in the past suggested he needed a 'confidant' to run his Chairman's notes past before sending off for publication and maybe that is still the case.

So in conclusion, those who didn't attend missed a good evening that, whilst not confining all of my concerns re promotion, funding, etc to the bin, did make me more optimistic that we are in much, much better hands than when Buster was in charge.  I wouldn't go as far as DD's post above as I think IC is head and shoulders the best thing to have happened to the club and even appreciating SC's hand in that he did also appoint Simon Clark, so maybe we can settle that it is sometimes better to be lucky than good.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: wack on December 06, 2019, 03:00:42 PM
No mention in reply to bovril's request Ref player leaving?
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: TonyM on December 06, 2019, 03:08:57 PM
If anyone is attending this tomorrow night would like to know if one of our players is leaving in January? as heard a rumour today? seems strange as the position we are in and the attendances we are getting ? as the fee didnít seem that great 🤷🏼‍♂️ actually think keeping this bunch of players together we could win this league and gain promotion 🤞it isnít true.

Apologies, this was asked and, as you would expect, SC said he had no knowledge of any player going.  Obviously we have scouts coming to games (which SC confirmed although not who they were looking at) and he said he wouldn't stand in the way of a player going full time which I think is the right stance for the club to take. 

Something else I missed from my summary was he was proud of the four lads who are now playing full time (Cameron Norman, Cameron King, FBT and Jordon Yong) and it was a selling point for the club in attracting players, he also stressed that he felt it was important to have good working relationships with other local clubs which I guess is for them to answer as to how valid that is.  He also added that he hoped that at some point in the future we would reach a level where players didn't want (or need) to go.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Blue Moon on December 06, 2019, 03:38:13 PM
Thank you Tony, very fair, balanced and informative report.
What did you think to the evening Griss ?, as one who has often requested a Q n A session with the chairman and that money making events take place I presume you went ?
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Grissles Oleary on December 06, 2019, 03:58:35 PM
Thank you Tony, very fair, balanced and informative report.
What did you think to the evening Griss ?, as one who has often requested a Q n A session with the chairman and that money making events take place I presume you went ?

Sadly I didn't attend,work commitments,I would liked to have gone,and ten pounds was reasonable considering it included a pint and a hotdog,so in reality it would only cost a couple of quid. :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Mallard on December 06, 2019, 04:36:19 PM
Thanks Tony for the summary of the evening.  Sounds like SC was as open and frank as he could be.  Did he mention he still has the ambition to take the Club into the Football League ?. 
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on December 06, 2019, 09:24:30 PM
Nicely written report Tony. Enjoyable to read. Many thanks.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Linnet64 on December 06, 2019, 09:39:38 PM
Had hoped to get there,  but sadly moving next week so too much to do. I have however sneaked out for Tomorrow game :scarf: :scarf: :oldman"
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: TonyM on December 06, 2019, 10:51:45 PM
Thanks Tony for the summary of the evening.  Sounds like SC was as open and frank as he could be.  Did he mention he still has the ambition to take the Club into the Football League ?.

Thanks (also to B&G), no worries as I appreciate not everyone could attend.  SC did mention the Football League but said that this was a tiny part of his thinking at present, mainly because he has so much on and I think he now appreciates how far away we are on a number of fronts.  For those looking for a more positive spin, he did say he didn't think there was as big a gap playing wise as some might think (having watched the Peterborough vs Dover game last weekend) and also talked about teams getting on a roll and building their own momentum which takes them on multiple promotions.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Mallard on December 07, 2019, 07:10:17 AM
Think the Chairman is spot if you look at the results from the last round of the FA Cup.   Boston getting a well deserved draw at Rochdale, Altrincham just dipping out to last minute winner at Portsmouth.

Maybe if the Chairman does another evening at later date then Bev Archer could do it as podcast so us that donít live so close could view it.

Have to say ( without blowing smoke up ya jacksy) that judging by your reporting skills and feel for the club that Stephen should invite you to join his back room staff as you seem to have a lot to offer. 

Iím sure many on here would like to thank you for your detailed appraisal of the evening.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Colin Fuller on December 07, 2019, 09:02:49 AM
Just read TonyMís feedback. As a former Lynn News journalist I would have thought there was enough newsworthy detail in Mr Cleeveís evening for the local paper to report. Do you know if they were represented?  Thankfully, for us long-distance fans, TonyM has kept us ably informed. Big thanks to him.
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Nigel1505 on December 07, 2019, 01:10:26 PM
Most informative and well written thread there has been on this forum for a while. :thanks:
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on December 07, 2019, 03:03:45 PM
Most informative and well written thread there has been on this forum for a while. :thanks:
   :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: View from the Chair
Post by: TonyM on December 19, 2019, 01:42:20 PM
Although this interview was separate from the evening at the Walks with SC, there are some common themes so have added the link onto this thread

https://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/exclusive-steve-cleave-talks-kings-lynn-town-ian-culverhouse-norwich-connection-4308490#popup-sso

Not sure about his view on the FA getting involved with compensation for players but I guess he is closer to the finances than me so does take it that much more personally, for me we should be developing all players full stop - if they go on to higher things then great but if not we have a better player ourselves, the development of Tom Ward would be the prime example in IC's first spell at the club.

Also quite an opportune time to be talking up our relationship with Norwich City and loans, could do with something practical coming out of that link in the next week.
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