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Title: Stats
Post by: Mallard on January 05, 2020, 12:27:27 PM
Last season Stockport Co won the National League Northern with 82 points.  Lynn are currently sitting on 54points ( 28 points short of that 82 point total).  We have 18 games left (54 points up for grabs).

Time to start really believing ?

Title: Re: Stats
Post by: KES80 on January 05, 2020, 02:20:01 PM
Beat York and keep the squad fit and together and it's on !
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Post by: Non League on January 05, 2020, 03:08:03 PM
One thing which I think is sort of forgotten, is how Lynn have a strong chance of success in FA Trophy. Very much a winnable game against Ebbsfleet who are out of form and just been beaten heavily, and the strong possibility of more Conference sides going out in 2nd round. Favourable draw in 3rd and I would have them high up there to make the final which would be a big achievement.
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Post by: Coastal linnet on January 05, 2020, 03:12:56 PM
How about the FA Trophy and the Conference North title :cup2:
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Post by: Bluboy on January 05, 2020, 04:15:13 PM
Winning  the trophy means we qualify for the  europa league this time next year we could be entertaining AC Milan on a Tuesday night  :cup2: :clap:
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Post by: KES80 on January 05, 2020, 04:49:11 PM
Two legged affair....is there a bus going ? or maybe a chartered jet from Norwich...or maybe by then the club will have its own sponsored jet (bet Mark is working on it as I type ha ha).

The squad is good enough to compete for the title, which is amazing or have a good run in the Trophy...not both, unless we get another half dozen players in who we cant afford... .. let's not be greedy guys.
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Grissles Oleary on January 05, 2020, 05:00:45 PM
Beat Ebbsfleet on Saturday more money from the prize fund, a share of the gate money,big gate for the York game and we should have the funds for a player or two? :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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Post by: Brad94 on January 05, 2020, 05:09:39 PM
Winning  the trophy means we qualify for the  europa league this time next year we could be entertaining AC Milan on a Tuesday night  :cup2: :clap:

Assume you’re joking, it’s only FA Cup winners that qualify for Europe! 😂
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: KES80 on January 05, 2020, 05:11:48 PM
Possibly one or two Grissles, but let's not forget that the break even attendance was discussed here before and at a rough estimate it was reckoned to be 1500-1800 . Further drainage works of £50-60k have also been mooted and The Chairman doesn't have endless pockets.
Many of the available players are carrying knocks and could do with some rest...Gash, Hendo, Fox, McCauley,Richards in particular.
I can't think The Trophy is Ebbsfleet's main concern at the minute.....I suspect, like Dover they will field something of a second string and after 7-0 v Barrow, challenges could be flying in, as happened with Dover. Be interesting to see IC's take on it and who he goes with.
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: dillydilly on January 05, 2020, 05:16:53 PM
Apart from periods of injury, wHen all squad are fit, I don’t believe we need any more players.  We have 4 Centre-halves when all available, plus two very capable of playing there (Jones and Barrows).  In midfield we have 8 to chose from, all well worth a place. Hawks, Limb and Stewart add to the list.  Maybe a GK, and two new forwards should we become disappointed with the effect of market forces !  Of course, the keeping them all fit is the key...
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Post by: Loughborough Linnet on January 05, 2020, 05:29:57 PM
Apart from periods of injury, wHen all squad are fit, I don’t believe we need any more players.  We have 4 Centre-halves when all available, plus two very capable of playing there (Jones and Barrows).  In midfield we have 8 to chose from, all well worth a place. Hawks, Limb and Stewart add to the list.  Maybe a GK, and two new forwards should we become disappointed with the effect of market forces !  Of course, the keeping them all fit is the key...

Have to agree that with the whole squad fit, all we really need is possibly a striker or two to come off of the bench (not convinced Limb is the answer here).

However, with the injuries we have, a loanee or two might help. Case in point being the Ebbsfleet game; who are the back four going to be? Payne, Jones, Barrows and Hawkins? There’s only about 13 players to pick from, so talk of rotation is a bit moot, unless reserves are drafted in.
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Mallard on January 05, 2020, 05:56:54 PM
Wouldn’t be surprised to see IC ‘shuffle his pack’ a little.   With everyone fit we would have a surplus of defenders and really short on a Gash back up. 

Was good to see both Smith and Fryatt taking part in the Pre-match warm up.  So hopefully both can’t be too far away.  Wouldn’t mind seeing an experienced midfielder coming to share with Jarv, especially with Clunan out for a while yet, and Kelly maybe missing for a few weeks.

Title: Re: Stats
Post by: TonyM on January 05, 2020, 06:03:53 PM
Have to agree that with the whole squad fit, all we really need is possibly a striker or two to come off of the bench (not convinced Limb is the answer here).

However, with the injuries we have, a loanee or two might help. Case in point being the Ebbsfleet game; who are the back four going to be? Payne, Jones, Barrows and Hawkins? There’s only about 13 players to pick from, so talk of rotation is a bit moot, unless reserves are drafted in.

Agree with your thoughts on Limb and would probably prefer to see Joe Taylor given a few appearances off the bench to see if he can make the step up but IC sees them all in training so maybe sees something we don't?

As for defenders, I think McAuley 'could' have played yesterday but rested as a precaution although whether he will be risked at Ebbsfleet is down to IC, Fryatt must nearly be back to being included in a match day squad and Jarvis is back should we go with a back three.  Would prefer to see us with a back three if Payne is played on the left hand side as it gives him a bit more cover and would allow him to go forward a bit more (IC asks a lot of his full backs when we play 41212)

Probably agree with KES in that it would be a big ask to get this squad to compete on both fronts - trophy run gets my vote and what happens in the league will still be a bonus on pre season expectations
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: KES80 on January 05, 2020, 07:30:53 PM
Interesting view Tony... league would get my vote over Trophy run every time.
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Post by: KES80 on January 05, 2020, 07:32:31 PM
I would have Limb, Joe Taylor and Natty Stewart in the squad for Ebbsfleet and all would feature at some stage.
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Post by: Sebedee on January 05, 2020, 08:23:52 PM
According to the whiteboard in the physios picture Fryatt is back this month and seeing his consultant on the 8th and Clunan was 3 weeks cast and an x-ray tomorrow. For Smith just says brace off 25/11 so I guess he's fit very soon.
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Mallard on January 05, 2020, 08:47:25 PM
Nice work Sherlock. :cheers:
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Post by: Sebedee on January 05, 2020, 09:16:40 PM
Nice work Sherlock. :cheers:
Thought it revealed a little more than you would want.
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Post by: Non League on January 06, 2020, 10:38:24 AM
Interesting view Tony... league would get my vote over Trophy run every time.

4th Round would see Southport home game moved to midweek. Could be a good blessing because I doubt they'd enjoy that long trip midweek.

SFs would see Kettering (A) and Brackley (H) moved to mid weeks. Again, could argue of all the games to be played midweek, they'd again be best ones. One a short journey giving context of other teams, other a promotion contender who again would possibly rather play at weekend.

Giving the form King's Lynn are in and the football they're playing, this could be the best chance of going to Wembley in a very long time.
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Mallard on January 06, 2020, 10:55:50 AM
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.  Ebbsfleet are a National League side one step higher than us.  They also have the advantage of being at home.  Plus we have the little matter of York at home the week after. 
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: KES80 on January 06, 2020, 01:03:45 PM
Interesting view Tony... league would get my vote over Trophy run every time.

4th Round would see Southport home game moved to midweek. Could be a good blessing because I doubt they'd enjoy that long trip midweek.

SFs would see Kettering (A) and Brackley (H) moved to mid weeks. Again, could argue of all the games to be played midweek, they'd again be best ones. One a short journey giving context of other teams, other a promotion contender who again would possibly rather play at weekend.

Giving the form King's Lynn are in and the football they're playing, this could be the best chance of going to Wembley in a very long time.




Getting far too ahead of things I feel, tho the sentiments are great NL. As IC would say...."One game at a time ."
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: long suffering linnet on January 06, 2020, 05:56:06 PM
Possibly one or two Grissles, but let's not forget that the break even attendance was discussed here before and at a rough estimate it was reckoned to be 1500-1800 . Further drainage works of £50-60k have also been mooted and The Chairman doesn't have endless pockets.
Many of the available players are carrying knocks and could do with some rest...Gash, Hendo, Fox, McCauley,Richards in particular.
I can't think The Trophy is Ebbsfleet's main concern at the minute.....I suspect, like Dover they will field something of a second string and after 7-0 v Barrow, challenges could be flying in, as happened with Dover. Be interesting to see IC's take on it and who he goes with.
pretty sure the break even attendance is much lower than 1500.Thought it was nearer 800.
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: TonyM on January 06, 2020, 06:20:15 PM
pretty sure the break even attendance is much lower than 1500.Thought it was nearer 800.

SC addressed this at his Q&A and in his programme notes (sometime in December?) and said 800 was no where near break even with the numbers to back it up.  Essentially 800 attendance includes kids, season tickets (who have paid but at a lower rate), freebies etc so it isn't as straightforward at 800x£13 (say) to give £10400 which less the VAT is still only £8666.  Basically SC said our average crowd (of between 1000-1100) still doesn't cover the wages let alone all the other running costs so I would be surprised if 1500 would actually be the break even point although appreciate any increase would help reduce SC's subsidy of our club.
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Mallard on January 06, 2020, 06:21:39 PM
Think that’s was Mark Hearle figure (750/800) in the opening home game programme notes.  He later explained this was not the break even figure but more what he thought the club/team deserved to attract.  Where are we now around 1200 ?   Watch that zoom up after the York game.

Realistically how many do people think we can pull in for that game ? 
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Mallard on January 06, 2020, 06:26:25 PM
Let’s not forget Tony the bigger the gate the bigger the up sell is.  Programmes, 50/50, corporate, food, drink etc.   I would also hope the greater opportunity for Mark Hearle to get a premium prize for match day/ball sponsorships.   Must be worth more to the club with 1500 there than say the suggested 750.   

Must be a mega payday coming on fronts from the upcoming York game.
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: TonyM on January 06, 2020, 06:52:12 PM
Let’s not forget Tony the bigger the gate the bigger the up sell is.  Programmes, 50/50, corporate, food, drink etc.   I would also hope the greater opportunity for Mark Hearle to get a premium prize for match day/ball sponsorships.   Must be worth more to the club with 1500 there than say the suggested 750.   

Must be a mega payday coming on fronts from the upcoming York game.

Appreciate its first vs second in the league and they should have a good following but we are not in the Chapman era of low wages / part-time manager and looking at the odd 'big game' to make sure Buster didn't have to subsidise the club.  The whole cost base of the club must be radically different to when Buster was in charge and it is there for everyone to see on the pitch, in every sense with the drainage and the appointment of the new groundsman, as well as the obvious talent we now have in the squad and the best manager we could ever hope to attract.

Yes, the gate will hopefully be a big one and that does obviously mean extra revenue inside the ground but, as with Boston, there will be additional staff and security costs plus this weekend even with 1400+ (and virtually all 'home' fans) we still couldn't get to £150 on the 50/50!  I also think you will find that the club is probably asking 'top end' prices for the various corporate packages anyway so really marketed at 'fans with businesses' rather than those looking for any return on their 'sponsorship' so to a degree the numbers through the gate are less relevant, hopefully that will change with Mark's appointment but the change won't be overnight.  I am sure York will be a welcome boost to funds but to describe it as a 'mega payday' is probably wide of the mark.
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Mallard on January 06, 2020, 07:13:35 PM
I think the Chapman days are light years away from where we are now.  Though one point Buster did end up with Setch as a full time employee, but I agree the cost base is a totally different ball game.

The Customer base we are currently enjoying is a big opportunity for Mark to ‘exploit’ ( meant in the nicest possible way).  He has said he wants to see the Club used in many different ways.  Reading what Gordon Chilvers said about what was going on around the club when he was involved shows some of potential that is there.  Who knows with the profile of the Club seemingly rising by the week this could also attract some outside interest.

As for York,  I think this will biggest game/gate/income that the club has enjoyed since Oldham.  Should be at least double the gate we had for Spennymoor.  That’s some serious money for a Non League Club.
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: KES80 on January 06, 2020, 09:17:13 PM
If Lynn could average 2250 for the remaining 8 home league games, it would mean an average home attendance for the season of 1600,which just might  be somewhere around the break even figure. Might be possible if they can maintain the push.
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Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 06, 2020, 10:18:01 PM
Only York have a higher average than that (2250) so I would be very surprised if we get anywhere near that figure.

Only 6 clubs have a higher average attendance than us. I know there's different expenses for difference clubs, but if we are not at least breaking even with our average gate, you would think that the majority of Clubs at this level are also having the same problem.

If these other Clubs are already breaking even, then it must be because of a successful commercial department.It appears that Lynn have finally woken up to this and are attempting to address the problem.

As nice as it would be to keep increasing the gates, both for the revenue and the support for the team, I think the answer to breaking even has to now be down to increased commercial activity, which of course won't happen overnight.

 :scarf:
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: KES80 on January 06, 2020, 10:34:12 PM
Agreed B and G....but I offer the figures as an indication of what might be required to break even in the short term ie for this season, given that the increased commercial revenue is unlikely to kick in within 3 months. Just say 2,500 for York and if top of the league, 2500 for the last 4 home games and a repeat of the Spennymoor attendance for the other 3 games......that would do it just about........asking alot, but ......
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on January 08, 2020, 08:48:54 PM
Here's an interesting stat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51031407

The cost of getting to the Promised Land.  :countingmoney:
Title: Re: Stats
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 08, 2020, 09:14:45 PM
Here's an interesting stat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51031407

The cost of getting to the Promised Land.  :countingmoney:

Shares instead of Director loans.  :dontknow:

Surely got to be a better way for Salford as a Club!
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