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Title: Guiseley
Post by: TonyM on March 14, 2020, 11:20:59 AM
So... with todays game on (as at 11am at least) what do people think IC should do?  Does he stick with the 5-6 lads who had to be 'carried' on Tuesday evening or does he bring in lads off the bench, or even those who didn't make the bench, to freshen things up?

Personally I don't think we have ever seen such a strong squad at the Walks so my preference would be to shake it up a bit and would certainly like to see Fox, Payne and Kelly in the starting lineup at the expense of Burrows, Jarvis and Power but appreciate you could make a case for a number of other lads too.  I don't think we need to be worried about resting players for the fixture congestion in March anymore so probably just a case of going out there today and giving the fans a good (potential) final game of the season
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 14, 2020, 11:31:12 AM
Would definitely wish to see Fox playing. Henderson to start for me. Power on the bench.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Nigel1505 on March 14, 2020, 12:24:14 PM
Live commentary on Radio Norfolk. :thanks:
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Mallard on March 14, 2020, 01:15:00 PM
I'm sure what ever 11 &16 IC goes with will be 100% on it. They owe him one after Tuesday
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on March 14, 2020, 05:20:59 PM
We made plenty of chances today, but Marriott seems to have lost his shooting boots, he could easily have had a hat-trick. A better performance than Tuesday by a long way, but still not at our best.

Not one for having a go at the ref normally, but some very poor decisions today. By the end it appeared impartiality had gone out the window.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: mike20382 on March 14, 2020, 05:23:18 PM
We made plenty of chances today, but Marriott seems to have lost his shooting boots, he could easily have had a hat-trick. A better performance than Tuesday by a long way, but still not at our best.

Not one for having a go at the ref normally, but some very poor decisions today. By the end it appeared impartiality had gone out the window.
[/quotes ]The kindest  thing to say about that referee is he had no idea how to
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: little John on March 14, 2020, 05:34:04 PM
Dear oh dear.......
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: mike20382 on March 14, 2020, 05:51:15 PM
It was worse than that
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: TonyM on March 14, 2020, 06:10:09 PM
Much, much better from Lynn and on any normal day would have got a point or probably all three had a) Marriott had his shooting boots on or b) we had had a ref who was not determined from the first minute to be 100% one sided.  We can all huff and puff about referees giving decisions against our team and their general incompetence but today smacked of something far more premeditated, not sure if we have had him before so he was 'getting his retaliation in first' but very, very biased.  SC said in post match interview on Radio Norfolk there was an assessor there today so hopefully they will feed back to HQ although that won't repair the damage he did today.

On the pitch, I thought we played as well as we have for a while, Marriott could have had a hat-trick but another game where Southwell didn't provide any real threat, the more I see the more he looks like a panic acquisition and the fact he is on a multi year contract doesn't bode well.  Good games for Henderson, Payne and the back three, thought Street was to blame for their goal but very good save in the second half to keep us in it.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on March 14, 2020, 06:19:04 PM
Hendersonís interview on the youtube channel is telling.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: pasmith73 on March 14, 2020, 06:25:47 PM
Just back from the game, really shocked with the refereeís performance. Iíve never seen such blatant one-sided officiating. Plenty of laughable decisions, eg. their missed hand-ball which everyone else saw, booking Hendo for diving, and the most incredible was when one of their players jumped all over Gash and he gave them a free-kick! And then booked Gash!
There was obviously an agenda there.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Mallard on March 14, 2020, 07:08:37 PM
Wow where to start on the game today.

Ref total shocker.  Worst Iíve seen in many of Year.   Nowhere near good enough for this level. Was guessing decisions.

As for the game.   Lynn started brightly on what looked a tricky surface.  No idea why the sprinklers were used just before kick off as it made the area near the dugout a little muddy.   We didnít look that comfortable when playing the ball across the back 3/5.

Had a couple of chances, Marriott missing out on a 1 on 1 with the keeper.   The Guiseley  7 looked a handful with pace to burn.   Then disaster as we gifted the visitors a goal with a weak Tom Ward header failing to reach Street.

2nd half saw Lynn really go for it and more chances created for Marriott which before February he would have buried without a 2nd thought,   Subs made and pressure continued thought Guiseley looked dangerous on the break.   The finish just wouldnít come.

I donít think Iíve seen IC so animated as he was on the line today.  Be really good to hear his take on the match in his interview as this could well be the last one of the season. 

Also Was interesting to hear Stephen Cleeve on Radio Norfolk after the game where he discussed the issues facing him and the club going forward.  He said thatís it for the season playing wise.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 14, 2020, 07:29:26 PM

I donít think Iíve seen IC so animated as he was on line today.  Be really good to hear his take on the match in his interview as this could well be the last one of the season. 


I wouldn't hold you breath on that one!

Bevan Asher has tweeted "No Managers interview either".

 :dontknow:
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Mallard on March 14, 2020, 07:56:06 PM
Anyone know why Bev hasnít done an interview with The Boss.  Normally Bev is bang on with things like that.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: little John on March 14, 2020, 08:13:46 PM
I see even our MP who was at the game wasn't impressed by the ref.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: m a hill on March 14, 2020, 08:48:04 PM
In all my years off watching football I have never seen  Ref has bad has this man he was a Joke not only did he miss two stonewall penalties he should have sent two off ,he should be removed from Referring
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Walks In The Sunshine on March 15, 2020, 12:17:06 AM
I've lost count in my years of watching football, where fans have bemoaned the referee for a bad result.

BUT......today was the worst refereeing performance I personally  have seen, either on TV or in the flesh.

He was clueless - his decisions caused bafflement amongst us Lynn fans and even the couple of Guiseley fans I spoke to (although it's easier to be "sympathetic" when you win!!)

However, Guiseley, like Bradford, done a job on us, they contained us, they were cute, they wasted time where they could, etc. etc.

As for Lynn, I bet Maz is sitting at home wondering how he hasn't got the match ball - not having a pop at the guy as he has been immense, but he seemed to snatch at a couple of his chances where as a few weeks ago he would easily have netted,

Our formation - started as a 3-5-2 (I think) but looked better as a 4-4-2 and with Gash and Power on the pitch.

MotM - Rory McCauley and I wouldn't argue with that, the guy is a warrior, a leader and even in the warm up when they were playing keep ball, was as ferocious as he is during a match, such is his desire to win.
His counterparts - Smith & Ward do not inspire me with the same confidence although personally I blame Pedro more than Ward for their goal.

Will the season finish?? Who know's, but if there is still football to be played we need to get back to winning ways sooner rather than later or the season will definitely be finished.

Radio Norfolk - nothing but respect for our chairman in his interview.

Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 07:45:50 AM
Lynn created sufficient chances to have won but a cock up between Pedro and Ward, Marriott's loss of form, and some dubious refereeing went against Lynn. Guiseley are a decent side though.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 10:53:48 AM
This will put the cat amongst the pigeons but just watched a YouTube vid by someone called Jack Beeton (not sure how to copy it) but it looks like the ref got the Henderson penalty decision right and it does look like Henderson guilty of simulation. I played it slow-mo.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: gs50 on March 15, 2020, 11:13:04 AM
Can't agree with you there. Certainly not a deliberate dive he was shouldered over.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 11:23:45 AM
Can't agree with you there. Certainly not a deliberate dive he was shouldered over.
You are allowed to use a shoulder in football. If you look carefully, you'll notice that Henderson puts his foot against the defender.
I thought it was a pen originally but not anymore.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: mike20382 on March 15, 2020, 11:30:03 AM
Shoulder to Shoulder ok shoulder in the back not ok
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 11:33:24 AM
It wasn't shoulder in the back. I used to ref, albeit no higher than Anglian Combination but having now seen it from a different angle, firmly believe he made the correction decision.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: KES80 on March 15, 2020, 11:34:24 AM
It's a tighter call than it might at first appear, but I have freeze framed Bev's video at point of contact and Guiseley player def leans in against Hendo's rhs when ball is to Hendo's left.
From that pic and angle you would give a pen as it appears more of a shove than a general shoulder to shoulder....close one though.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 11:39:36 AM
Jack Beeton's video shows a much clearer angle. A freeze frame by it's very nature won't be able to evidence a push.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Mallard on March 15, 2020, 11:50:57 AM
Donít forget to take the referee position/angle.  As Hendo ran from  nearly the half way line following a Guiseley mistake then unless the ref was incredibly quick, he was going to be a long away from the play.   Donít think the linesman helped him out either. 

What I can recall of incident Hendo had a yard on the defender but lost that advantage as both players reached the edge of the box. Hendo then went across the defender and both players went down.  Seen them given seen them waved away, but to book Hendo for simulation was a very strange call.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 12:02:46 PM
Henderson goes over far too easily. You can see that the Guiseley player is going to get to the ball first and at that moment Henderson moves in towards the player and then goes to ground as though shoved. No foul; Henderson goes over dramatically= no pen and booking for simulation. Fair and reasonable decisions from the ref.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: mike20382 on March 15, 2020, 12:59:45 PM
So speaks a Guisley supporter you must be the only person in the ground who didn't think that was a penalty. Oh and rhat idiot with the whistle
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 01:38:57 PM
So speaks a Guisley supporter you must be the only person in the ground who didn't think that was a penalty. Oh and rhat idiot with the whistle
Have you watched the video? I'll think you'll find the facts don't agree with your feelings.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: mike20382 on March 15, 2020, 01:57:22 PM
The referee i use the term lightly did not have a video to watch. The first feeling for all of us was penalty. The only person who did not was the idiot. If he got it right would be obe hell if a referee which he blatantly wasn't
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 02:06:53 PM
The referee i use the term lightly did not have a video to watch. The first feeling for all of us was penalty. The only person who did not was the idiot. If he got it right would be obe hell if a referee which he blatantly wasn't
But if the referee made the correct decision (and he did) when not being in an ideal position that's actually to his credit. I thought it was a penalty yesterday but the ref was the best placed to see the situation yesterday and he got it right. Obviously, I'm disappointed that it wasn't a pen and yesterday's result was miserable but I've looked at the evidence several times and have no doubt that the ref got that decision right. I realise that this won't be a popular view but sometimes you just gotta hold your hand up and admit you got it wrong.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Mallard on March 15, 2020, 02:11:51 PM
Mike, how far behind the incident would you say he was when the coming together happened. ?  Two players lying on the floor in the penalty area.  He had to give something.  He was guessing at incidents.   Right or wrong on the pen, he was poor all afternoon.   

Having said all that the ref didnít miss 4/5 guilt edge chances.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: KES80 on March 15, 2020, 02:16:13 PM
Still looks a foul to me but no pen. First contact was in the D, so no pen, but an illegal tackle denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity. The fact the ball was to the left of Hendo and the defender came in from the right side means it can't possibly be a fair shoulder to shoulder.. should have been a free kick and a red card IMO.....at no time is the defender looking to get to or make contact with the ball...just contact with Hendo
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 02:23:33 PM
Mike, how far behind the incident would you say he was when the coming together happened. ?  Two players lying on the floor in the penalty area.  He had to give something.  He was guessing at incidents.   Right or wrong on the pen, he was poor all afternoon.   

Having said all that the ref didnít miss 4/5 guilt edge chances.
The ref was close enough for a good view to make the right decision. I'm not defending his other decisions but it's very easy to get caught up in a lynch- mob mentality during a game.
We all got that penalty decision wrong yesterday, except for the ref. The need for scapegoats is very powerful in these circumstances but credit where credit is due.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 02:32:18 PM
Still looks a foul to me but no pen. First contact was in the D, so no pen, but an illegal tackle denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity. The fact the ball was to the left of Hendo and the defender came in from the right side means it can't possibly be a fair shoulder to shoulder.. should have been a free kick and a red card IMO.....at no time is the defender looking to get to or make contact with the ball...just contact with Hendo
The ball wasn't to the left it was directly in front of them. Simple foot race that Henderson realised he was going to lose and if you look carefully you'll notice that he clips his own ankles: a classic footballer ploy. You can't blame him for trying but the booking was deserved.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: KES80 on March 15, 2020, 02:49:40 PM
I will see if I can post the freeze frame Stan...ball is clearly to the left of Hendo at point of initial contact as I recall, but will check and post if my memory of it is correct.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 02:58:38 PM
I've looked at the freeze frame and slow-mo. Henderson clips his own heels hence the yellow for simulation.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: KES80 on March 15, 2020, 03:14:16 PM
We will have to disagree on that one...a foul all day long for me
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 03:24:01 PM
We will have to disagree on that one...a foul all day long for me
So are you telling me that you can't see Henderson clip his own ankles? This isn't a question of a difference of opinion the facts are there for all to see.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IDBNqwIVU&feature=share
Watch in slow motion from about 4.50 onwards.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 15, 2020, 04:20:57 PM
Referees at this level have to rely on their judgement,no VAR here! Anyone in their right mind being in the position of the refere or the linesman would have given a foul our way,they went with the shout from Guiseley players,the basis on which most decisions were mad during the game! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 04:28:49 PM
Referees at this level have to rely on their judgement,no VAR here! Anyone in their right mind being in the position of the refere or the linesman would have given a foul our way,they went with the shout from Guiseley players,the basis on which most decisions were mad during the game! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
"Anyone in their right mind!" You mean anyone with your mind. Suck it up Griss, you know it wasn't a pen!
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Mallard on March 15, 2020, 04:59:17 PM
Ok letís replay it, Hypothetically of course. Ref points to the spot.  Up steps our 30 goal penalty taker.

On his form of late and particularly yesterday what happens next ?
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: KES80 on March 15, 2020, 05:02:54 PM
Goal and with the confidence he gets another 15 over the remaining games and Lynn breeze the league
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: KES80 on March 15, 2020, 05:05:28 PM
Looked at your offering several times Stan..... it's still a foul.... had a quality eye test two weeks ago....when did you last go to Specsavers ?  :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Mallard on March 15, 2020, 05:05:57 PM
KES I use to watch Jackanory as a kid as well.  :laughcry:
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 05:21:05 PM
KES I use to watch Jackanory as a kid as well.  :laughcry:
We can go backwards and forwards all day long arguing who's right and who's wrong. You clearly haven't noticed that Henderson clips his own ankles and there is no significant contact from the Guiseley player. Footballers are very good at doing this and a lot of refs and fans get conned and when this is pointed out don't have the humility to admit their mistakes.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: KES80 on March 15, 2020, 05:54:21 PM
As you say can argue this one till the virus is over but it won't achieve much...Bev's video indicates that the defender is at quite an angle rather than upright, so there is significant contact and at that speed it doesn't take much to tip the balance...not sure that Hendo was in control of himself at all when he fell, so whose ankles touched his is probably not relevant.......just for the record, I would be saying the same if anyone else, incl Mallard was saying no foul... it's just how I see it...close call, but on balance a foul. You see it the other way Stan and there's nothing wrong in that
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 15, 2020, 06:12:05 PM
As you say can argue this one till the virus is over but it won't achieve much...Bev's video indicates that the defender is at quite an angle rather than upright, so there is significant contact and at that speed it doesn't take much to tip the balance...not sure that Hendo was in control of himself at all when he fell, so whose ankles touched his is probably not relevant.......just for the record, I would be saying the same if anyone else, incl Mallard was saying no foul... it's just how I see it...close call, but on balance a foul. You see it the other way Stan and there's nothing wrong in that
The video I've put on here is not Bev Asher's. The one I've put on shows that it clearly wasn't a penalty. There's no clear contact and Henderson is booked for feigning a foul.  The fact that the ref got this right from the position that he was in ( not a bad one) is to his credit. I'm not saying the ref had a good game yesterday and I know it's difficult to accept this evidence because you need a scapegoat for the defeat yesterday: that's understandable when you are passionate about Lynn. You get these sort of reactions all the time when there's a lot at stake in a game.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: fenlander on March 15, 2020, 06:14:54 PM
Blimey guys, good job you're not in the VAR room. We'd have been in the ground for around seven hours now!  :laughcry:
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: KES80 on March 15, 2020, 08:07:38 PM
Actually Stan, I am passionate about Lynn, but have split loyalties as lived in the Leeds area for a number of years..... but whether I am wearing a white or a blue shirt or whether I am watching the video from the link you gave or Bev's vid, I still see it as a foul.........I do understand you find my opinion difficult sometimes, I am not being confrontational for the sake of it, but we just have to accept we are different people with different views and each is entitled to that.......so there we are .....
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Mallard on March 15, 2020, 08:26:42 PM
KES you are certainly different if you were/are a dirty Leeds supporter.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Coastal linnet on March 15, 2020, 08:27:01 PM
VAR in operation at Lynn yesterday. Very Awful Ref.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 15, 2020, 08:42:45 PM
VAR in operation at Lynn yesterday. Very Awful Ref.

 :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: KES80 on March 15, 2020, 09:23:50 PM
KES you are certainly different if you were/are a dirty Leeds supporter.

Affinity with the Leeds area would be more like it Mall.
I witnessed, I think, some of the worst fan behaviour I have ever seen from the Leeds fans when at Elland Road watching Leeds v Liverpool in the old first division. Leeds were about to get relegated and Bill Shankly had just passed away.................very sad day...was pleased to get out of the ground and home in one piece that day
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 01:07:02 AM
Referees at this level have to rely on their judgement,no VAR here! Anyone in their right mind being in the position of the refere or the linesman would have given a foul our way,they went with the shout from Guiseley players,the basis on which most decisions were mad during the game! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
"Anyone in their right mind!" You mean anyone with your mind. Suck it up Griss, you know it wasn't a pen!


At what point did I say it was a penalty,I was about 20 yards away,it was a foul on Hendo,no way should he have got a yellow,should have had a free kick,and their player a red,being the last defender! But no matter Stan you know best! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 04:11:03 AM
Referees at this level have to rely on their judgement,no VAR here! Anyone in their right mind being in the position of the refere or the linesman would have given a foul our way,they went with the shout from Guiseley players,the basis on which most decisions were mad during the game! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
"Anyone in their right mind!" You mean anyone with your mind. Suck it up Griss, you know it wasn't a pen!


At what point did I say it was a penalty,I was about 20 yards away,it was a foul on Hendo,no way should he have got a yellow,should have had a free kick,and their player a red,being the last defender! But no matter Stan you know best! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
It wasn't a foul and it was a yellow card for simulation. I've sent the video link to 4 people not at the game yesterday, one of whom is a former ref ( I am a former ref myself) and they all agree with me. 
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 05:22:57 AM
Referees at this level have to rely on their judgement,no VAR here! Anyone in their right mind being in the position of the refere or the linesman would have given a foul our way,they went with the shout from Guiseley players,the basis on which most decisions were mad during the game! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
"Anyone in their right mind!" You mean anyone with your mind. Suck it up Griss, you know it wasn't a pen!


At what point did I say it was a penalty,I was about 20 yards away,it was a foul on Hendo,no way should he have got a yellow,should have had a free kick,and their player a red,being the last defender! But no matter Stan you know best! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
It wasn't a foul and it was a yellow card for simulation. I've sent the video link to 4 people not at the game yesterday, one of whom is a former ref ( I am a former ref myself) and they all agree with me.


You really must be sad to go to those lengths to prove a player of the team you claim to support guilty,to everyone behind that goal it was a foul on Henderson,and their player was lucky to get away with it,an opinion voiced by some of their fans! just concentrate on Brexit and vow never to attend another game! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 05:40:56 AM
Referees at this level have to rely on their judgement,no VAR here! Anyone in their right mind being in the position of the refere or the linesman would have given a foul our way,they went with the shout from Guiseley players,the basis on which most decisions were mad during the game! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
"Anyone in their right mind!" You mean anyone with your mind. Suck it up Griss, you know it wasn't a pen!


At what point did I say it was a penalty,I was about 20 yards away,it was a foul on Hendo,no way should he have got a yellow,should have had a free kick,and their player a red,being the last defender! But no matter Stan you know best! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
It wasn't a foul and it was a yellow card for simulation. I've sent the video link to 4 people not at the game yesterday, one of whom is a former ref ( I am a former ref myself) and they all agree with me.


You really must be sad to go to those lengths to prove a player of the team you claim to support guilty,to everyone behind that goal it was a foul on Henderson,and their player was lucky to get away with it,an opinion voiced by some of their fans! just concentrate on Brexit and vow never to attend another game! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
Shame this has to drift into personal criticism but unfortunately that often tends to happen when arguments flounder. I also thought it was a penalty at first but the evidence changed my mind. I think it's important to have an open mind and to be prepared to change it when evidence contradicts what you originally thought, don't you? I mean sticking to an untenable position just for the sake of "winning" an argument, well, that would be sad, very sad indeed.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 05:50:15 AM
Referees at this level have to rely on their judgement,no VAR here! Anyone in their right mind being in the position of the refere or the linesman would have given a foul our way,they went with the shout from Guiseley players,the basis on which most decisions were mad during the game! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
"Anyone in their right mind!" You mean anyone with your mind. Suck it up Griss, you know it wasn't a pen!


At what point did I say it was a penalty,I was about 20 yards away,it was a foul on Hendo,no way should he have got a yellow,should have had a free kick,and their player a red,being the last defender! But no matter Stan you know best! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
It wasn't a foul and it was a yellow card for simulation. I've sent the video link to 4 people not at the game yesterday, one of whom is a former ref ( I am a former ref myself) and they all agree with me.


You really must be sad to go to those lengths to prove a player of the team you claim to support guilty,to everyone behind that goal it was a foul on Henderson,and their player was lucky to get away with it,an opinion voiced by some of their fans! just concentrate on Brexit and vow never to attend another game! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
Shame this has to drift into personal criticism but unfortunately that often tends to happen when arguments flounder. I also thought it was a penalty at first but the evidence changed my mind. I think it's important to have an open mind and to be prepared to change it when evidence contradicts what you originally thought, don't you? I mean sticking to an untenable position just for the sake of "winning" an argument, well, that would be sad, very sad indeed.

Did I at any point say that it was a penalty?
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 05:55:45 AM
No, but you said it was a foul, which the evidence from the video clearly contradicts.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 06:02:24 AM
Then you have the foul over by the touchline that should have been a red for their player but they got the free kick? Have you time lapse watched that one?
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 06:08:20 AM
My point is why are you defending an inept referee? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 06:09:10 AM
Then you have the foul over by the touchline that should have been a red for their player but they got the free kick? Have you time lapse watched that one?
But that's a different issue Griss. I'm not defending the ref's overall performance, just his decision not to give a foul in Henderson's favour and to book him for simulation.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 06:15:20 AM
Sorry Stan but since you disappeared from the scene over the Brexit comment you seem to have come back just to disagree with everybody elses point of view? Up until then even if I didn't agree with you I thought you had a fairly balanced argument, but now you just want to disagree with everyone,and at times that can conflict your own opinions. Go away rebot and come back with the voice of reason you used to have! :red card:
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 06:18:43 AM
Sorry Stan but since you disappeared from the scene over the Brexit comment you seem to have come back just to disagree with everybody elses point of view? Up until then even if I didn't agree with you I thought you had a fairly balanced argument, but now you just want to disagree with everyone,and at times that can conflict your own opinions. Go away rebot and come back with the voice of reason you used to have! :red card:
I'm not sure who I'm disagreeing with. It was me who initially stated that the ref got the Henderson decision right. Posters have been disagreeing with me.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 06:24:31 AM
Sorry Stan but since you disappeared from the scene over the Brexit comment you seem to have come back just to disagree with everybody elses point of view? Up until then even if I didn't agree with you I thought you had a fairly balanced argument, but now you just want to disagree with everyone,and at times that can conflict your own opinions. Go away rebot and come back with the voice of reason you used to have! :red card:
I'm not sure who I'm disagreeing with. It was me who initially stated that the ref got the Henderson decision right. Posters have been disagreeing with me.


Poor me syndrome again,Is that what you teach your pupils? Never admit you are wrong,just bang your head against the wall enough times and people will get fed up with challenging you?  :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 06:28:34 AM
No, I teach them to base their opinions on evidence Griss. Again, shame that you have to get personal but I won't hold it against you. Have a great day!
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 06:40:33 AM
No, I teach them to base their opinions on evidence Griss. Again, shame that you have to get personal but I won't hold it against you. Have a great day!

I would actually have to know you to get personal,my comments are based on what you have posted, not on what I think of you personally? Nice that you hold yourself in such high esteem. :dontknow:
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 06:47:14 AM
No, I teach them to base their opinions on evidence Griss. Again, shame that you have to get personal but I won't hold it against you. Have a great day!

I would actually have to know you to get personal,my comments are based on what you have posted, not on what I think of you personally? Nice that you hold yourself in such high esteem. :dontknow:
"Poor me syndrome" is a criticism of me personally. Don't hide behind the I don't know you so how can I be personal nonsense. I recognise an ad hominem approach when I see one. Look it up on Wikipedia if you're not sure what it is. It's what you're doing.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 06:51:11 AM
No, I teach them to base their opinions on evidence Griss. Again, shame that you have to get personal but I won't hold it against you. Have a great day!

I would actually have to know you to get personal,my comments are based on what you have posted, not on what I think of you personally? Nice that you hold yourself in such high esteem. :dontknow:
"Poor me syndrome" is a criticism of me personally. Don't hide behind the I don't know you so how can I be personal nonsense. I recognise an ad hominem approach when I see one. Look it up on Wikipedia if you're not sure what it is. It's what you're doing.

And you teach children?
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 06:56:00 AM
No, I teach them to base their opinions on evidence Griss. Again, shame that you have to get personal but I won't hold it against you. Have a great day!

I would actually have to know you to get personal,my comments are based on what you have posted, not on what I think of you personally? Nice that you hold yourself in such high esteem. :dontknow:
"Poor me syndrome" is a criticism of me personally. Don't hide behind the I don't know you so how can I be personal nonsense. I recognise an ad hominem approach when I see one. Look it up on Wikipedia if you're not sure what it is. It's what you're doing.

And you teach children?
Yes, I do indeed. Been doing it for almost 25 years now. I've been a Head of English in a couple of schools, it's been really fulfilling. I still enjoy it now.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 07:00:12 AM
Stan this may come as a bit of a surprise to you,but if i do not know you personally I cannot give an opinion of you and deem it personal,a hand shake and a brief chat after a game does not constitute knowing each other! The number of posters on here that I actually know I can count on the fingers of one foot,so all my differences of opinion are base on what they post,and yes that includes poor you! :dontknow:
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 07:01:44 AM
No, I teach them to base their opinions on evidence Griss. Again, shame that you have to get personal but I won't hold it against you. Have a great day!

I would actually have to know you to get personal,my comments are based on what you have posted, not on what I think of you personally? Nice that you hold yourself in such high esteem. :dontknow:
"Poor me syndrome" is a criticism of me personally. Don't hide behind the I don't know you so how can I be personal nonsense. I recognise an ad hominem approach when I see one. Look it up on Wikipedia if you're not sure what it is. It's what you're doing.

And you teach children?
Yes, I do indeed. Been doing it for almost 25 years now. I've been a Head of English in a couple of schools, it's been really fulfilling. I still enjoy it now.

So being educated you presume I am not? :oldman"
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 07:03:29 AM
No, I teach them to base their opinions on evidence Griss. Again, shame that you have to get personal but I won't hold it against you. Have a great day!

I would actually have to know you to get personal,my comments are based on what you have posted, not on what I think of you personally? Nice that you hold yourself in such high esteem. :dontknow:
"Poor me syndrome" is a criticism of me personally. Don't hide behind the I don't know you so how can I be personal nonsense. I recognise an ad hominem approach when I see one. Look it up on Wikipedia if you're not sure what it is. It's what you're doing.

And you teach children?
Yes, I do indeed. Been doing it for almost 25 years now. I've been a Head of English in a couple of schools, it's been really fulfilling. I still enjoy it now.

So being educated you presume I am not? :oldman"
How have I done that?
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 07:13:52 AM
No, I teach them to base their opinions on evidence Griss. Again, shame that you have to get personal but I won't hold it against you. Have a great day!

I would actually have to know you to get personal,my comments are based on what you have posted, not on what I think of you personally? Nice that you hold yourself in such high esteem. :dontknow:
"Poor me syndrome" is a criticism of me personally. Don't hide behind the I don't know you so how can I be personal nonsense. I recognise an ad hominem approach when I see one. Look it up on Wikipedia if you're not sure what it is. It's what you're doing.

And you teach children?
Yes, I do indeed. Been doing it for almost 25 years now. I've been a Head of English in a couple of schools, it's been really fulfilling. I still enjoy it now.

So being educated you presume I am not? :oldman"
How have I done that?

Last post on this thread Stan,owing to your refereeing in the past and your educational status you know better than me! I may be a bit thick,but I have held high positions,In the Youth service,Social services and probation! You just have the protected comfort of teaching,join me for a chat on real life if you need to! :oldman"
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 07:23:30 AM
This is all so unnecessary and unjustified Griss. I was brought up on a council estate; my Dad was a lorry driver and my Mum was a cleaner. We didn't own a car until I was 12 and we only had one holiday but you choose to lecture me on real life!
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Mallard on March 16, 2020, 07:30:05 AM
Is this the right room for an argument ?

Iíve told you once

No you havenít

Yes I have.

Oh I so love Monty Python

Time this thread was locked... Admin ?
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 07:36:55 AM
Is this the right room for an argument ?

Iíve told you once

No you havenít

Yes I have.

Oh I so love Monty Python

Time this thread was locked... Admin ?
I agree before the violins come out!
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Stan on March 16, 2020, 08:02:53 AM
Are there rules on here about sticking to an argument and not denigrating other posters? It's a pity that some resort to personal attacks.
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 16, 2020, 08:13:24 AM
Are there rules on here about sticking to an argument and not denigrating other posters? It's a pity that some resort to personal attacks.

I didn't personally attack you as I don't know you personally,so carry on playing the victim! You are in second place to Mr Cleeve,but at least we know who he is? :shark:
Title: Re: Guiseley
Post by: Mallard on March 16, 2020, 08:20:39 AM
Ok Iíve  had enough.

Both of you see me after class  :laughcry:

Facts whether anyone saw it as a foul or not a foul there was only one persons opinion that counted

Nothing to see here, move along.