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Title: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Brad94 on March 25, 2020, 04:35:29 PM
The football club would like to respond to story's circulating on social media outlets in regards to the club approaching the Blue & Gold supporters club, asking for a donation to assist the club , following the suspension of all football due to the coronavirus pandemic currently affecting all of the country.

After reading reports that the Leyton Orient supporters club ( LOSC ) had given a donation of 」20,000 ( having already donated 」31,000 over the last few months) to help ease some of the cash shortfall created by Leyton Orient's own shutdown, the club approached the Blue & Gold Trust over the weekend asking for a  donation to be made to the club to help out in the same way as the donations being made by individual supporters have been.

After consulting with their board members the Trust informed the football club that there was no 'consensus' to lend any money to the football club. Their suggestion was that there was a possibility that a loan could be made but it would be subject to adequate security.  They would accept security of a charge on the lease of the stadium which would need to be approved by the Council. This would require Council approval and would not be a short term solution.

The trust further pointed out to the club that if the club defaulted on the loan then whilst Stephen Cleeve would own the football club they would own the lease on the Stadium and we would need to negotiate with them a deal to move forward.  We were also told that the trust would add their legal fees to the loan amount'.

The football club has declined the trust's offer of assistance but thank them for speaking to their board of directors and making an offer to the club.

Speaking to the club's official website Chairman Stephen Cleeve added ' We are setting up a Just Giving Page which will have a totaliser so fans can see what is being given and this can be found here https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/kltfc.

We have no idea at this stage what is going on and have been given no direction and so are in a very uncomfortable limbo land - however I have been working 15 hours a day to find solutions and I will continue to do the same until we come out the other side.  Keep the faith, keep well and look after each other and thanks to every fan home and abroad who have helped and continue to help the club.

https://www.kltown.co.uk/single-post/2020/03/25/Club-statement

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/kltfc
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: pc627 on March 25, 2020, 04:37:59 PM
Does the money already donated go into this fund?
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Brad94 on March 25, 2020, 04:43:02 PM
Does the money already donated go into this fund?

I would probably say in the background it will, and i'm sure the club are appreciative of the money already raised. But I believe the club wanted to go down the avenue of a just giving page. Suppose if we can raise 」5,000 across the board again, happy days!
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Mallard on March 25, 2020, 05:05:03 PM
Just how much is the shortfall ?  The Club seems very loath to let the fans know how much needs to be raised.

Also what about the 80% of wages that the Government have guaranteed up 」2,500.   Or will this 」2,500 ceiling be reached from players other jobs away from Kings Lynn Fc?   I知 guessing the Government won稚 support people with 2 jobs to the tune of 」5k

 
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 25, 2020, 05:15:44 PM
If you loan money, its quite normal for a charge to be taken. Unless someone borrows money with no intention of paying it back, what's the problem?  :dontknow:

This really is no different with the money he has put into the Club in the form of Directors loans. He's not "given" the money to the Club, but loaned it. As he controls the Club, he can take it out before paying creditors if he wants to.

So imo he's done it himself (and before is said, its not for tax resons) but does not want others to do the same.

Why mention Orient?  It was their Supporters Club (e.g. fotl) not Trust!


Supporters Trusts are NOT Supporters Clubs!  :banghead;
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Brad94 on March 25, 2020, 05:27:03 PM
Positive note; the just-giving page has already reached 」145 with only three donations made. If everyone donates what that would have spent at the 4 remaining home games- which I believe some people have already done via the "4 game package" so them people do't worry (unless you're feeling flushed and want to donate again) then I think we should be hitting this target in good time!
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Mallard on March 25, 2020, 06:17:28 PM
My source at the Club tells me this statement has nothing to do with Stephen Cleeve and was put out by an employee in the Media Department at The Club.
 
Axe to grind Mark, or is my information incorrect ?
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: somerset linnet on March 25, 2020, 06:51:19 PM
With regard to the comment quite reasonably raised by PC. What has or is happening with the donations that have already been made by a number of individuals. Is it to be transferred to the new fund? If not, why not and where is it. :banghead;
 
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: macfleetwood1 on March 25, 2020, 08:04:38 PM
Some valid points raised here, I gave a 3 figure donation to the other appeal, is that money going to be added to the "Just Giving Page"?
Just a simple yes or no will do.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Brad94 on March 25, 2020, 08:10:02 PM
Some valid points raised here, I gave a 3 figure donation to the other appeal, is that money going to be added to the "Just Giving Page"?
Just a simple yes or no will do.

Yes, they shall be getting added shortly. They will be added via the offline donations on the Just-giving page. This figure will be updated daily for any people that do choose to donate through the "4 game package". The just-giving page has now taken over from the Donations page on the website basically.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 25, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
Just how much is the shortfall ?  The Club seems very loath to let the fans know how much needs to be raised.

 

I presume the shortfall could be varying figure, and depends on if the Players do their bit and volunteer to take a reduction in wages. This would be no different to what many other Clubs have done and many other people in all walks of life have had to.
It's clear that club officials read this forum as they pick up on certain things when it suits them, so I'm sure they would have seen previous comments about this. I do believe that many more Supporters would be happy to put their hands in their pockets if they knew the Players were doing their bit.
So have the Players volunteered to take wage cuts,or has the Club told them they have to regardless ? Are we all in this together or not?
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Mallard on March 25, 2020, 09:09:10 PM
A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed.   Only about 25% of the players will qualify for the Governments 80% wages scheme.  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 25, 2020, 09:28:40 PM
  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.

Very few and thats no different to any other business.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: somerset linnet on March 25, 2020, 11:12:29 PM
Question answered thanks Brad.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Stan on March 26, 2020, 04:29:09 AM
And as I've said before, players may depend upon their income from football. All people tend to spend in relation to their income: mortgages, cars etc. It's all so easy to post a couple of references to players from other clubs offering to take pay cuts and then making the generalisation that Lynn players must do the same! Everyone's personal situation is different. I still don't have any confidence in this line of argument. It's unjustified and will simply discourage fans from contributing: a point that I have made before.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Stan on March 26, 2020, 04:32:03 AM
A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed.   Only about 25% of the players will qualify for the Governments 80% wages scheme.  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.
What is your source for this? If this hasn't come directly from the chairman then it's no more than gossip which will undermine supporters' willingness to contribute themselves. If you don't have cast iron evidence for this statement then you should withdraw it.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on March 26, 2020, 05:29:54 AM
A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed.   Only about 25% of the players will qualify for the Governments 80% wages scheme.  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.
What is your source for this? If this hasn't come directly from the chairman then it's no more than gossip which will undermine supporters' willingness to contribute themselves. If you don't have cast iron evidence for this statement then you should withdraw it.

The email trail the club has released on the website.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Stan on March 26, 2020, 07:47:43 AM
A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed.   Only about 25% of the players will qualify for the Governments 80% wages scheme.  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.
What is your source for this? If this hasn't come directly from the chairman then it's no more than gossip which will undermine supporters' willingness to contribute themselves. If you don't have cast iron evidence for this statement then you should withdraw it.

The email trail the club has released on the website.
Would you please post on here what was said as I can find nothing about this on the club's website or the chairman's Twitter.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Stan on March 26, 2020, 07:51:38 AM
https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/kings-lynn-town/king-s-lynn-player-s-generosity-1-6577517

This article suggests that the players are being perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Mallard on March 26, 2020, 08:56:53 AM
With Stephen Cleeve stating the Club needs 100k to pay everything ( is this to the end of April?). The Chairman is sticking in 40k himself.  Where  is the balance of 60k going to come from?   Can the fans raise that kind of money? 
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Stan on March 26, 2020, 09:17:47 AM
A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed.   Only about 25% of the players will qualify for the Governments 80% wages scheme.  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.
What is your source for this? If this hasn't come directly from the chairman then it's no more than gossip which will undermine supporters' willingness to contribute themselves. If you don't have cast iron evidence for this statement then you should withdraw it.

The email trail the club has released on the website.
Would you please post on here what was said as I can find nothing about this on the club's website or the chairman's Twitter.
Admin. Would you please delete Mallard's original post as I believe it is unnecessarily provocative.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: jesuslinnet on March 26, 2020, 11:06:10 AM
A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed.   Only about 25% of the players will qualify for the Governments 80% wages scheme.  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.
What is your source for this? If this hasn't come directly from the chairman then it's no more than gossip which will undermine supporters' willingness to contribute themselves. If you don't have cast iron evidence for this statement then you should withdraw it.

The email trail the club has released on the website.
Would you please post on here what was said as I can find nothing about this on the club's website or the chairman's Twitter.
Admin. Would you please delete Mallard's original post as I believe it is unnecessarily provocative.

And so are you Stan.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Stan on March 26, 2020, 11:22:06 AM
A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed.   Only about 25% of the players will qualify for the Governments 80% wages scheme.  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.
What is your source for this? If this hasn't come directly from the chairman then it's no more than gossip which will undermine supporters' willingness to contribute themselves. If you don't have cast iron evidence for this statement then you should withdraw it.

The email trail the club has released on the website.
Would you please post on here what was said as I can find nothing about this on the club's website or the chairman's Twitter.
Admin. Would you please delete Mallard's original post as I believe it is unnecessarily provocative.

And so are you Stan.
Very constructive Jesus!
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Brad94 on March 26, 2020, 02:11:13 PM
」540 currently made in under 24 hours.. roughly 」1300 to be added later on today, for the grand total being around 」1,900 so far. Great work lads!
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 26, 2020, 07:51:32 PM
Another way to help in a small way would be to take up an idea that they are using at Boston to raise money for things at the new ground. They have a jam jar collection,people fill a jam jar with their change and when it is full it goes into the club to be counted and banked. I know it won't cure the problem but it may be  a way of contributing if you cannot donate online? :dontknow:
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Ap on March 26, 2020, 08:22:37 PM
Another way to help in a small way would be to take up an idea that they are using at Boston to raise money for things at the new ground. They have a jam jar collection,people fill a jam jar with their change and when it is full it goes into the club to be counted and banked. I know it won't cure the problem but it may be  a way of contributing if you cannot donate online? :dontknow:

That would be the same jam jar collection you openly mocked on the Boston forum? Unbelievable!
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 26, 2020, 09:09:49 PM
Another way to help in a small way would be to take up an idea that they are using at Boston to raise money for things at the new ground. They have a jam jar collection,people fill a jam jar with their change and when it is full it goes into the club to be counted and banked. I know it won't cure the problem but it may be  a way of contributing if you cannot donate online? :dontknow:

That would be the same jam jar collection you openly mocked on the Boston forum? Unbelievable!



It was in response to ridicule being heaped on Lynn fans raising money for pitch covers, taking it in context is is not so much mocking but a comparison in fund raising techniques. I will suggest all ways to raise cash,no matter how small it may seem. :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on March 26, 2020, 09:37:34 PM
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, Blame the Trust.

Seriously though, whenever there's trouble at mill, it seems to fuel an anti Trust campaign.
Is this just a smoke screen? to divert attention, only the instigators will know.  But it seems to much of
a coincidence to me.

Stan
 " A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed."

I too read that somewhere last night. But tonight it seems to have disappeared. Hmm dirty tricks dept? 
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 26, 2020, 10:00:41 PM
Dirty tricks Marcus?

Surely not.

Who are you referring to?

Not anyone involved at the Club that would try something like that is there?
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Stan on March 27, 2020, 09:07:46 AM
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, Blame the Trust.

Seriously though, whenever there's trouble at mill, it seems to fuel an anti Trust campaign.
Is this just a smoke screen? to divert attention, only the instigators will know.  But it seems to much of
a coincidence to me.

Stan
 " A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed."

I too read that somewhere last night. But tonight it seems to have disappeared. Hmm dirty tricks dept?
"I too read that somewhere last night. But tonight it seems to have disappeared."  Comedy gold Marcus!  :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Stan on March 27, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, Blame the Trust.

Seriously though, whenever there's trouble at mill, it seems to fuel an anti Trust campaign.
Is this just a smoke screen? to divert attention, only the instigators will know.  But it seems to much of
a coincidence to me.

Stan
 " A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed."

I too read that somewhere last night. But tonight it seems to have disappeared. Hmm dirty tricks dept?
"I too read that somewhere last night. But tonight it seems to have disappeared."  Comedy gold Marcus!  :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
A reliable source informs me that the original reference was on the club website at some point so I apologise for doubting the integrity of the person who made the original post: Mallard and also Marcus.
I still don't think that you can assume that players can necessarily afford to take a pay cut, however: life ain't that simple.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 27, 2020, 01:49:05 PM
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/87555Ph/bucket.jpg) (https://ibb.co/87555Ph)<br />


For sale,best offer towards club funds.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Stan on March 27, 2020, 02:07:32 PM
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/87555Ph/bucket.jpg) (https://ibb.co/87555Ph)<br />


For sale,best offer towards club funds.
Perhaps you could use them to raise money for that pint that you still owe me Griss :cheers:
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Brad94 on March 27, 2020, 02:16:40 PM
Quick update;

」880 in the pot, with 」1,390 in the original website find.

」2,270 raised so far, with obviously the fans paying for a part of the frost covers to. I think this is a great effort by all!

Dig deep lads and lasses?
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 27, 2020, 02:46:15 PM
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/87555Ph/bucket.jpg) (https://ibb.co/87555Ph)<br />


For sale,best offer towards club funds.
Perhaps you could use them to raise money for that pint that you still owe me Griss :cheers:

Ready for a pint when this crap is all over. :cheers:
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on March 27, 2020, 04:26:47 PM
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, Blame the Trust.

Seriously though, whenever there's trouble at mill, it seems to fuel an anti Trust campaign.
Is this just a smoke screen? to divert attention, only the instigators will know.  But it seems to much of
a coincidence to me.

Stan
 " A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed."

I too read that somewhere last night. But tonight it seems to have disappeared. Hmm dirty tricks dept?
"I too read that somewhere last night. But tonight it seems to have disappeared."  Comedy gold Marcus!  :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
A reliable source informs me that the original reference was on the club website at some point so I apologise for doubting the integrity of the person who made the original post: Mallard and also Marcus.
I still don't think that you can assume that players can necessarily afford to take a pay cut, however: life ain't that simple.

No apology needed Stan.  Perhaps somebody posted the comments in haste, and someone else pointed out the error of their ways. Who knows.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Captain Sensible on March 27, 2020, 08:34:57 PM
I have to say that I was dismayed by the hysteria whipped up, by the look of it deliberately, on Social Media over the last two days.
It appears yet again that a certain individual has not got his own way again, so the toys have been thrown out of the pram. Dismayed but not too surprised, as he is if nothing else a creature of habit and predictable. At a time where it appears its back to the wall, there's still time to alienate others, burn rather than build bridges, blame all the ills of the world on a certain sector of the local community, and to ensure everyone is aware that he's not to blame for anything.
I have been a supporter of this club for a long, long time. Theres been good times and there have been bad times. Far, far to many bad times. I have never been  a member of the Trust and I am no longer a member of the Friends of the Linnets. I therefore fall into the largest category of supporters.. Probably 90% of us supporters are just that, with no particular allegiance to either the Trust or the Friends.
So when the Club, Trust or Friends attempt to raise money, I'm always interested in the reason behind the fundraising. It appears to me, that some wil give money to the Trust, some to the Friends, and some to the Club. Has nobody else performed some simple Maths? Be it Trust, Friends or Club, their request for fund raising looks to me as if its generally only supported by their own kind. Do the Trust support the Friends fund raising, do the Friends supports the Trusts efforts? Not as far as I can see!
Do either of these two groups of Lynn supporters appeal to people such as me, an everyday Lynn supporter,  and one of the 90% that has no involvement with either group? Those with no axe to grind, those willing to support the Club by paying the cost for admission,  willing to pay for food and drink, programs, 50/50 tickets etc. Supporting the Chairman and his club in the way supporters should, and not because there's something in it for them.
The biggest section of the fans are not interested in the Trust or the Friends of the Linnets, but we are interested in the Club.
Sadly I believe the majority are not interested in these two group efforts to raise funds!
So this leaves the Clubs efforts. If we, the vast majority of the supporters, won't support the Friends of the Linnets or Trust, surely we would want to support the Clubs own efforts?
This is clearly not the case! Look at how much and how many individuals have supported Cleeves cry for help. He has informed us that he needs 」100,000 to get him over the next 2 months, 」40,000 of which he claims he will put in himself. It's  not for me to say if he actually will or not, you'll have to make your own mind up on that one. Last time I looked, there was 」840 donated by 29 individuals. I'm sure that there's more to come, but we have gates of over 1200! Other Clubs wouldn't suffer by having so few people donating. People that are involved with the running of Football Clubs will tell you that they look for and usually achieve 70% of their supporters contributing in some way. If Mr Cleeve believes the supporters are behind him, then he is delusional. At best he can claim that they are behind him putting 」400,000 into the Club (money he clearly wants back), but the majority are proving to to their unwillingness to contribute, even in what is increasing looking like a critical time and a struggle for survival.
The 90% majority will all have their reasons as to why they won't contribute. For some it will be that they just can't afford it. Others will think they pay enough via the gate. Others have more important things to donate their money to, and a football Club wholly owned by one man is well down their list of priorities.
I have my own reasons, some of which I have adopted from other supporters on the terraces. If I was ever in two minds about putting my hand in my pocket to help the club, I'm afraid that the much too obviously orchestrated hysteria, whipped up in the Press and on Social Media has made my mind up.  It's nice to see the results that 」400,000 put into a Club can produce on the field, but my money  is staying in my pocket, for the time bring at least. I actually compiled a list of reasons I, and maybe the vast majority, are adopting this approach, but this post has gone on far too long as it is.
I maybe wrong, but I really do think that people are throwing goo money after bad. I believe we passed the point of no return quite a while ago, and the end of the season could have ended up bitter sweet. An unexpected title and another end result that we have seen before and dread.
Irrespective of the above, always a Linnet.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 27, 2020, 08:52:46 PM
Very sensible post, there should be more co-operation between trust and FOTL,maybe when this is over then they can be seen to work together. I may just be one of the rare ones that is a trust member,a member of the FOTL,and I watch as many games as possible,and use the bar. :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: m a hill on March 27, 2020, 09:08:30 PM
Sounds like you want the club to flod
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 27, 2020, 09:16:15 PM
Sounds like you want the club to flod

I知 sure new drainage will cope!

 :laughcry:
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 27, 2020, 09:59:21 PM
Sounds like you want the club to flod


Of course he doesn't want it to flod,just a balanced view from someone taking no particular side and presenting the facts. :dontknow:
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on March 27, 2020, 10:00:39 PM
Far to sensible For your own good Captain. Certainly has been the usual hysteria. Even Trust funders are apparently at it. People who have been there from the start. They of all people should know the Trust cant just give its money away for no return. Whatever the circumstances. Tis a shame there's no football, the Chairmans notes would certainly be interesting.
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 27, 2020, 10:44:42 PM
Far to sensible For your own good Captain. Certainly has been the usual hysteria. Even Trust funders are apparently at it. People who have been there from the start. They of all people should know the Trust cant just give its money away for no return. Whatever the circumstances. Tis a shame there's no football, the Chairmans notes would certainly be interesting.

I did hear that someone went public saying they were going to resign from the Trust, and was then informed that they were not a member of the Trust anyway.

Why on earth would someone want to say that?   :dontknow:
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: TonyM on March 28, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
Captain, I am sorry but I just can't agree with some of your basic premises and to categorise "Trust", "FotL" and "Club" as wholly separate and distinct entities is probably part of the problem in itself.  I think the truth is there is far more overlap

Gris has already stated he is a member of both supporters groups, as am I and so is my dad, so asking if Trust supports FotL or FotL supports Trust events is missing the point - we are because many of us are one and the same!  I do take your point about the rump of the fans that attend the Walks every fortnight are not members of either organisation but membership and support are not the same ie I would imagine there were 'non-Trust' members at the GDF fundraising quiz earlier in the year, non-members of both organisations bought raffle tickets in their respective Christmas raffles and there are certainly non-Trust members in their 100 club which has been one of the mainstays of their fundraising since formation.

I do take the point about various snipes between the groups and whilst some of it is petty and unnecessary some of it goes back to a fundamental lack of understanding about what each group does (or should do imo).  To me it is fairly straightforward:
   * Club is the legal entity and gets 'commercial' revenue with sponsorships & match day income
   * Trust is there for the long term and by its nature, money raised needs to be protected so there are more checks and balances in place and I think they still have to be registered with the FCA (or whatever the regulatory body is now called).  Annual subs and fundraising is raised on this premise and thus large donations would have to have approval of the membership, hence SC's request for 」15-」20K didn't really fit their criteria.  Where the Trust could be more active is things like the GDF where their MOJO of long term can fit nicely with the club's requirement of upgrading facilities as we moved up to step 2.
   * Friends of the Linnets are specifically there to raise money for the club and I tend to think of this as route for supporters to fund raise for day-to-day / in-season expenditure so things like the 12th Man, support for the groundsman, etc.  Therefore I would be much more comfortable if things like the Pitch Cover fundraising and the current COVID-19 supporters donations were to go through the FotL. 

Hopefully if any good comes out of the current situation it is that people are more aware of the financial position within the club although I think from previous experience, fans have pretty short memories and most concerns / interest is lost when focus returns to what happens on the grass so both supporter's organisations have a narrow window to engage with the wider fan base, lets hope they both manage to do this in a positive manner. 

Captain, as an initial piece of market research, as a long standing fan, what would make you support on or other of the supporters groups more in the future?
Title: Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 28, 2020, 10:49:28 AM
Taken from Facebook;

So, I feel there needs to be some careful PR work done here before we alienate the core of the club from more people.

A ) We have the issue with the Trust. I understand what has occurred, but there was no need to go public with it. That's just caused more juicy gossip for no reason. I would love a trust spokesperson to make a statement, but feel it won't occur due to risk of arguments and worsening the issue?

B ) The tendency to snipe out in the public forum from our chairman needs, well HAS to be reigned in. You make no friends and make every single team that plays us get "up" for their cup final. Not going to win in the long run and it will make more unfavourable decisions come back to haunt us.

C ) This new signing, whatever has occurred. Buy now-pay once season commences? Buy now, defer wages until playing commences? You really need to get it under control. We look a laughing stock, issue a statement asap.

D ) The fundraising, when combined with above. We are community running a raise of around 」5000, when it looks like you just spent 」10,000 on a new player? Do you see how this looks to all of us?

E ) Local businesses are scared of you, or your tongue(s) and don't want to "invest" or contribute. I know of at least 3 of the big area companies that want 0, nothing, NADA to do with the club with how "businessly" it is running right now. You need to work on relationships and trust back to them all. Local community workshops, giving back to the community and more.

And now some useful ideas to help save face and be a community beacon of hope moving forward:

F ) GET into Schools and offer a scheme when all schools have a flyer or ticket scheme, "bring a parent". If you bring the flyer to a game, you get 」2 off the combined entrance fee for a parent and child ticket.

G ) Offer a school "year" or "class" the opportunities to be ball boys once a month. Competitions like colouring in a team mascot or "guess where the ball is" from a still image, or a "submit a video of your class/school club doing a trick as a team or a warm-up drill /goal from a game" and the club chooses one to attend a game. FREE Press in all the local newspapers, schools will promote it as it's fun and there is an actual prize at the end of it.

H ) Local leagues. Maybe run a scheme where you simply have someone at the club check out local leagues and invite clubs near the top of the tables, or after a big game a free invite to warm up before a game and be ball boys. Parents will pay to attend to watch their kids and you get youngsters "bitten" by the Linnets bug and they may want to come back, again and again. Build up the fan base from early. Heck, sponsor the under 16's cup competition, lads then may wish to follow and come through to the u18's scheme.

I ) Local business weekend. Every 3 or 4 home games. if you work for X,Y,Z - you obviously canvas the businesses in advance, you have a marketing/business team now for this sole purpose. If they attend or pay for a ticket in advance, they get a free pint/soft drink and 」1 off entry.

J ) JUMP ON THE KEY WORKERS thing. Offer reduced rates for key workers from the current climate next year. NHS, Police, Fire services, delivery couriers, truckers, posties, supermarket staff? Show a pass and get a permanent discount for the whole season. Local people will adore you for the incentive and you WILL get potential national press coverage for offering the scheme. Show you appreciate them and they will appreciate you in return.

All of these will take man-hours, a few logistics, but come on, we have a rife area here, LOTS of kids playing football and a gazillion parents and adults all looking for something fun to do when this is all over. Get planning and put in the work now to reap the benefits next year. It's not like you can't sit at a computer as a collective and brainstorm it together

Now before you say 'tried it before' people don't respond to it. Well, they will if you do it right, actually take the time to promote it properly. Get things created and made up in advance. 

Before you say  "it means fewer takings" - well 」13 x 30 is better than 」15 x 0 .... simple business here....

Thoughts?
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Post by: Mallard on March 28, 2020, 11:28:56 AM
Have to say u am suitably impressed with the construction and discussion provoking postings that are coming up on this forum ( keep it up guys).  I知 sure we aren稚 all going to agree with all that is being posted,  but it does show the passion that people have for this club.

Please guys keep it coming in these very trying times. 
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Post by: KES80 on March 28, 2020, 04:08:01 PM
Firstly, I need to say that I am a fan of the Trust... it's ideals and what it aims to provide....
however, I am hugely grateful to SC and what has been achieved under his tenure. It seems to me that the rapid success on the field has in some ways disempowered the likes of the Trust and FolL......the sums involved now in terms of what is required to support a step1 or 2 side are massive in comparison to what the Trust for example can offer.........and at this stage is 」60k likely to be enough to resurrect the club if it went under ?...however laudable the intent ?  If the answer to this is no, then is there a legitimate case for the Trust to reconsider its role ?
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Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 28, 2020, 04:56:15 PM
Firstly, I need to say that I am a fan of the Trust... it's ideals and what it aims to provide....
however, I am hugely grateful to SC and what has been achieved under his tenure. It seems to me that the rapid success on the field has in some ways disempowered the likes of the Trust and FolL......the sums involved now in terms of what is required to support a step1 or 2 side are massive in comparison to what the Trust for example can offer.........and at this stage is 」60k likely to be enough to resurrect the club if it went under ?...however laudable the intent ?  If the answer to this is no, then is there a legitimate case for the Trust to reconsider its role ?


Or would the Trust actually up its game to match the events as Portsmouth FC Trust did?  :dontknow:
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Post by: wixy on March 28, 2020, 06:03:36 PM
I seldom write on here, but have supported the club for 74 years . There have been many ups and downs but I have never been so disollutioned as I am today. Many years ago I was privileged to run the supporters club with David Wright. Quite straightforward  we organized thing, sold refreshments ran the end of year presentations any any surplus money was handed over to the club. Today it seems we need at least 2 separate sections collecting money supposingly for the good of the club, but cometh the hour of need nothing available. If the money is to take over the club when iut fails then I suggest you all WAKE up as your few thousands would last more than a few months, As was stated earlier time you all forget your ideals and realize that the club wants money now or it might well fold and I hope not Sorry for my rantings but I am so angry that a simple way of collecting for the club has been made so complicated. PLEASE TRY AND SORT IT OUT Thank you
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Post by: Blueboy on March 28, 2020, 07:31:44 PM
But wixy, dont you think the Trust are right for asking for some form of security to lend a business some money?
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Post by: Nemesis on March 28, 2020, 08:10:48 PM
Stephen Cleeve wanted donations, loans are all very well but he has  to pay them back!
The aims of the Trust are to "to purchase a stakeholding in the club" not be sole owner.
No, I don't think the Trust could not leap in and save the club but as part of a consortium  they might achieve something, although I doubt if any consortium would want to put in the kind of money Stephen Cleeve appears to doing.
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Post by: MARCUS ROSE on March 28, 2020, 09:17:10 PM
Stephen Cleeve wanted donations, loans are all very well but he has  to pay them back!
The aims of the Trust are to "to purchase a stakeholding in the club" not be sole owner.
No, I don't think the Trust could not leap in and save the club but as part of a consortium  they might achieve something, although I doubt if any consortium would want to put in the kind of money Stephen Cleeve appears to doing.

The aim of the business is to facilitate and provide the structure for an affordable, sustainable and enterprising football club in King痴 Lynn.  It will also invite the supporters, the local business fraternity and the wider community of King痴 Lynn and West Norfolk to be stakeholders in the process.  In forming this community based not-for-profit model, the marketing potential would be more lucrative. In order to comply with Football League rules, a Limited Company (Ltd Co) will be formed with a 」100,000 share capital.  Fifty percent of the shares (」50,000) will be owned by the Trust, and the other 50% will be offered to ideally another ten investors each owning 5% of the shares (」5,000 each).  These other investors would be known as vice-presidents of the Ltd Co.  A management board would then be formed and would be made up of 5 Trust Directors, 5 Vice-presidents. This model would allow for supporter representation in the running of the football club, and would facilitate the general principles of a Supporter Trust.  The Trust would continue to operate but would have a more direct role in representing its members by having part ownership of the Football Club. An organisational chart can be found at Annex A.  Financial projections can be found at Annex B.  It must be noted that these figures are estimated and obviously would be subject to change according to arising situations. 

Its all there in the Trust Business Plan 2015. If people did a bit of research life could be so much easier.   :cheers:
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Post by: Grissles Oleary on March 28, 2020, 10:14:50 PM
Stephen Cleeve wanted donations, loans are all very well but he has  to pay them back!
The aims of the Trust are to "to purchase a stakeholding in the club" not be sole owner.
No, I don't think the Trust could not leap in and save the club but as part of a consortium  they might achieve something, although I doubt if any consortium would want to put in the kind of money Stephen Cleeve appears to doing.

The aim of the business is to facilitate and provide the structure for an affordable, sustainable and enterprising football club in King痴 Lynn.  It will also invite the supporters, the local business fraternity and the wider community of King痴 Lynn and West Norfolk to be stakeholders in the process.  In forming this community based not-for-profit model, the marketing potential would be more lucrative. In order to comply with Football League rules, a Limited Company (Ltd Co) will be formed with a 」100,000 share capital.  Fifty percent of the shares (」50,000) will be owned by the Trust, and the other 50% will be offered to ideally another ten investors each owning 5% of the shares (」5,000 each).  These other investors would be known as vice-presidents of the Ltd Co.  A management board would then be formed and would be made up of 5 Trust Directors, 5 Vice-presidents. This model would allow for supporter representation in the running of the football club, and would facilitate the general principles of a Supporter Trust.  The Trust would continue to operate but would have a more direct role in representing its members by having part ownership of the Football Club. An organisational chart can be found at Annex A.  Financial projections can be found at Annex B.  It must be noted that these figures are estimated and obviously would be subject to change according to arising situations. 

Its all there in the Trust Business Plan 2015. If people did a bit of research life could be so much easier.   :cheers:


Just Mr Cleeve put his spin on the proceedings and cried foul to the press before facts were known. As a trust member I feel that had the trust just given money with no security then it would be a breech of contract? My belief is that if the trust gives money to the club then it must own a stake,and that is the way the basis of the constitution works,anything other than that I could consult my solicitor? :dontknow:
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Post by: Stan on March 29, 2020, 08:59:55 AM
Firstly, I need to say that I am a fan of the Trust... it's ideals and what it aims to provide....
however, I am hugely grateful to SC and what has been achieved under his tenure. It seems to me that the rapid success on the field has in some ways disempowered the likes of the Trust and FolL......the sums involved now in terms of what is required to support a step1 or 2 side are massive in comparison to what the Trust for example can offer.........and at this stage is 」60k likely to be enough to resurrect the club if it went under ?...however laudable the intent ?  If the answer to this is no, then is there a legitimate case for the Trust to reconsider its role ?
You're right: the trust in its current form is a virtual irrelevance.
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Post by: TonyM on March 29, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
I seldom write on here, but have supported the club for 74 years . There have been many ups and downs but I have never been so disollutioned as I am today. Many years ago I was privileged to run the supporters club with David Wright. Quite straightforward  we organized thing, sold refreshments ran the end of year presentations any any surplus money was handed over to the club. Today it seems we need at least 2 separate sections collecting money supposingly for the good of the club, but cometh the hour of need nothing available. If the money is to take over the club when iut fails then I suggest you all WAKE up as your few thousands would last more than a few months, As was stated earlier time you all forget your ideals and realize that the club wants money now or it might well fold and I hope not Sorry for my rantings but I am so angry that a simple way of collecting for the club has been made so complicated. PLEASE TRY AND SORT IT OUT Thank you

Wixy, whilst I respect your opinion I would just like to clarify a couple of things. 

I wasn't a fan of the club when you ran the supporters club but everything you did sounds very similar to the work that the Friends of the Linnets continue to do.  You could perhaps ask why the FotL hasn't come out with a donation to the club's current situation but my guess (and it is only that) is that all of their fundraising money has already gone to the club so there isn't a big pot of money in their account waiting to be donated.

As for the Trust, I think we need to get away from the idea that they are somehow 'waiting for the club to fail' and think of it as more that they are waiting for an owner who wants to work with them - as many other club owners and Trusts do elsewhere in football.  I think SC had his 'card marked' by Buster in terms of dealing with the Trust and unfortunately there has never been a constructive working relationship established - even the Ground Development Fund project this season was made to be hard work.  It would be almost impossible for the Trust, given its constitution, regulatory constraints and requirement for membership agreement to just 'give' the club any sizeable donation and in a way that is the whole point of how they (and again other Trusts up and down the country) have fundraised over the years - they are not there to plug short term gaps, but to ensure the club is there for the long term. 

As to your comment about the whether the club could fold if short term funding isn't found, a couple of points.  Everyone could see the club was spending beyond its means well before this crisis, how can we be in a situation where missing four home (and six away) fixtures results in a shortfall of 」100K?  Even if you were to take SC's figures at face value (and I have posted elsewhere about how they just don't add up) he then turns around in these 'troubled times' and signs a new player which has to be a kick in the teeth for those who have helped him out in his 'time of need', I would imagine it might also have raised an eyebrow or two amongst the playing staff as well if they have agreed to take a cut on their contracted wages to help the club out.
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Post by: m a hill on March 29, 2020, 05:42:44 PM
Where did the information about a player costing 」10000 come from or was it guess work
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Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 29, 2020, 05:46:12 PM
Where did the information about a player costing 」10000 come from or was it guess work

M A.

No idea, but if it was guess work or even fake news, it won't be the first time that ploy has  been used recently.
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Post by: MARCUS ROSE on March 29, 2020, 08:39:38 PM
Firstly, I need to say that I am a fan of the Trust... it's ideals and what it aims to provide....
however, I am hugely grateful to SC and what has been achieved under his tenure. It seems to me that the rapid success on the field has in some ways disempowered the likes of the Trust and FolL......the sums involved now in terms of what is required to support a step1 or 2 side are massive in comparison to what the Trust for example can offer.........and at this stage is 」60k likely to be enough to resurrect the club if it went under ?...however laudable the intent ?  If the answer to this is no, then is there a legitimate case for the Trust to reconsider its role ?

If the club went under, a resurrected club would be nowhere near step 1 or 2. Remember ?  So I think 」60k would be more than enough to start a sustainable club.  But this is all hypothetical, as the Chairman has to much too lose, and will not let this happen. It may be the time to reel in excessive spending and try to reduce the deficits. But I can't see that happening either.
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Post by: KES80 on March 30, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
Ah I see........The Trust funds are intended for use should the club have to start up again at step 5....that would be extremely sad of course, but even in that eventuality 」60k plus another 」60k would I suspect just about keep things afloat for a season or two and certainly wouldn't offer much hope of progression. There would have to be significant link up and sponsorship from local business for things to move forward....... would it really be there for a step 5 side......I honestly don't know ?
It's interesting just typing this.....the fantastic gap between that and where the club are now in terms of league status personnel, crowd following etc (and for balance, potential indebtedness)
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Post by: Mallard on March 30, 2020, 09:54:57 AM
It痴 a world apart KES.

I remember watching our last game under Heggs at Step 3. Then well remember the first Lynn I watched Lynn  at step 5. ( Boston Town away). Think we nicked it 2-1 in the last minute.  The difference in standard was massive.  Now having had a season
Watching quality step 2  Football makes me think this is the standard I want to see at The Walks.

Incidentally KES. IF the club was to fold I think it痴 a two level demotion so would see us down at step 4.  Even that I struggle to watch now.

Be interesting to see what today痴 National League meeting throws up.   Will there be any help for the Clubs ?
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Post by: Stan on March 30, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Try and keep positive! Things are tough enough as it is without all this miserable guff.
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Post by: Mallard on March 30, 2020, 12:39:10 PM
Very honest appraisal from Mark.




General manager voices concerns
March 30, 2020

Linnets general manager Mark Hearle fears the ongoing coronavirus pandemic could change the ' landscape of football ' for years to come.

 

Speaking to the club's website www.kltown.co.uk Hearle said ' Firstly on behalf of the football club may I wish all of our supporters good health and ask them to continue to follow the advise of the government and the NHS in these times of concern. I would also like to place on record our thanks as a club to everyone working in the NHS both locally and nationally who are working around the clock to treat the seriously ill from this terrible pandemic. I have began contacting some of our elderly supporters and season ticket holders to enquire upon their wellbeing and bringing them up to date with developments at the club as well as just having a general chat with them' continued Hearle.

 

Having seen the latest government briefings in regards to the length of social isolating and restrictions on everyday life being extended further Hearle admitted a return to the days of football returning to The Walks and crowds of 1500 supporters inside the ground look a long way away. ' I must admit the comments made at the weekend by the authorities were very sobering and gave plenty of food for thought. These are the thoughts of professional people and have to be respected and I would expect even further tighter restrictions to be put in place in due course. The isolation must continue until such times as the risk has diminished enough and if that bring's us round to the Autumn then that will be the case - people's health and safety must always come first, football means very little to at present.

 

Hearle admitted the ongoing uncertainty had effected his role greatly and called for clarity from the football authorities on the Linnets position. '  We have been in a state of limbo now for too long and initially we need an answer as to how the 2019/20 season will be decided. Once this is done we then have closure on that particular situation but then need to have a timescale on the start of next season if that is possible - and I am not sure that we will be able to be given that after the events of the last few weeks. At present I am keeping in touch with companies who had agreed to match day sponsor packages and informing them of the situation. All are understanding and I'm hoping they agree to carry over their packages to next season if we don't play any further fixtures of this campaign. I have struck deals with new board sponsors for next season but these were struck before this situation arose and with the very sensitive state of industry at present and going forward we should remain understanding of their position as well. Some of the existing board sponsors I have been in touch with have said they will continue to help us  but we have to expect that some may not be able to continue to support the football club going forward .

 

We have lost an awful lot of business in the function rooms both for night and day hire. One education supplier has over 20 dates booked with us over the summer which would have created some very useful income in what is a slow period for football  clubs but of  course this is now being reviewed on a weekly basis. As soon as we know what's happening we are hopeful of making season tickets available for next season but until such times as we have clarification on a date to commence I feel we should be cautious. With all of this ongoing, and likely to be so for a while yet, the general landscape of football from top to bottom , will change dramatically in my opinion'.

 

Hearle concluded by thanking everyone who had donated to the club's appeals for help since the season was suspended just over two weeks ago. ' We have received some very generous donations from right across our fan base over the last couple of weeks and some lovely letters of support as well from people wishing us well and I cannot thank everyone enough for their generosity. All of these monies will assist us as we move forward in paying bills that continue to arrive even though we have little if any income at present.

 

I am able to confirm that the undisclosed fee for Alex Brown was paid for personally by the chairman from his own money last week and also that all off field staff are also assisting the club in way's suitable to both them and the chairman over the next few weeks and months'.
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Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 30, 2020, 03:56:14 PM
https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/features/29789/football-fans-want-to-know-their-clubs-can-survive-coronavirus-crisis/
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Post by: MARCUS ROSE on March 30, 2020, 08:27:52 PM
Firstly, I need to say that I am a fan of the Trust... it's ideals and what it aims to provide....
however, I am hugely grateful to SC and what has been achieved under his tenure. It seems to me that the rapid success on the field has in some ways disempowered the likes of the Trust and FolL......the sums involved now in terms of what is required to support a step1 or 2 side are massive in comparison to what the Trust for example can offer.........and at this stage is 」60k likely to be enough to resurrect the club if it went under ?...however laudable the intent ?  If the answer to this is no, then is there a legitimate case for the Trust to reconsider its role ?
You're right: the trust in its current form is a virtual irrelevance.

Seems to be a lot of virtual irrelevance about Stanley.  :salute:

https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/features/29789/football-fans-want-to-know-their-clubs-can-survive-coronavirus-crisis/