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Title: All results expunged
Post by: Linnet on March 26, 2020, 03:54:30 PM
That's it then
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52052351
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2020, 04:02:22 PM
The statement reads Below National League level. it goes on to say  However, the National League, National League North and South, WSL and Women's Championship will continue towards a conclusion "as quickly as possible".
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Linnet on March 26, 2020, 04:03:46 PM
Indeed but can't see it will be different They have always been behind the curve
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2020, 04:13:23 PM
The Statement came from the FA not National League.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on March 26, 2020, 04:22:33 PM
South Shields already initiating legal action against the FA. They were 12 points clear at the top of NPL. Be interesting to see if they get anywhere.

Might end up at CAS, as you can imagine this scenario being repeated up and down the leagues around the world.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: gs50 on March 26, 2020, 05:15:03 PM
What's the point of completing our fixtures when no one from our league is relegated.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Mick on March 26, 2020, 05:27:30 PM
Perhaps the decision makers would like to refund the clubs of all the money they'd invested to get into promotion spots.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Mallard on March 26, 2020, 05:33:41 PM
Come on guys.  Whatever the FA or The decision makers do they are stuffed.  Can’t please all of the people all of the time.

It’s only a game.   In the swing of things does it matter which team is in which League come next season ?
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: gs50 on March 26, 2020, 05:48:15 PM
Probably won't be a next season it will probably take until end of September to finish this one.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: TonyM on March 26, 2020, 06:20:11 PM
Would have preferred to see this apply to step 2 as well so at least those part-time clubs could have some certainty.  Appreciate the PL, EFL and National have a different view as presumably they would be looking down the barrel in terms of repayment of TV money but they are also likely to be able to access the governments 80% scheme for their full time players.  Without details of the scheme being announced I would be surprised if it applied to part-time footballers whose contracts finished at the end of April and then where would that leave the clubs?
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Nigel nigle on March 30, 2020, 06:02:42 PM
and the latest on this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52098137

and Scottish clubs are taking legal advice if the authorities try to do the same thing
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: admin on March 30, 2020, 09:15:13 PM
Interesting view from Dover Athletic Chairman:
"Dover Athletic chairman Jim Parmenter has spoken of the ‘staggering self-interest’ from some quarters with regard to the possible fate of the current National League season.
With the COVID-19 outbreak suspending the season with the majority of games played, Parmenter said in an official statement: “Many of you will know I am involved in the governance of the National League, so my thoughts on how league matters should be brought to conclusion must remain my own for the time being, but I do intend to speak out when the time is right.
“All I can say is that I find the staggering self-interest being displayed by those who can afford to continue to pursue gain from the season by threatening legal action if they don’t get their own way against good people trying to do their best in unprecedented circumstances disgusting beyond further words.”
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: fenlander on March 31, 2020, 04:24:55 PM
The National League Board met earlier today and has reviewed its prior decision to suspend the competition until at least 3rd April 2020.
In consideration of the very serious and unprecedented national public health emergency caused by the coronavirus, the Board has taken the decision to suspend the National League, National League North and National League South competitions indefinitely.

The National League is currently obtaining specialist legal advice, is consulting regularly with The Football Association and other stakeholders, and is committed to involving its member clubs in a pending decision on how best to conclude the 2019/20 season.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: pc627 on March 31, 2020, 04:37:18 PM
League suspended indefinitely
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on March 31, 2020, 06:41:24 PM
You get the feeling they would like to void the league. But, they have the problem if they void the league, of being in breach of their TV deal for step 1, and  teams in the National will have to repay some of the tv money they’ve received. Whilst not in the same boat as the leagues higher up, it’ll still 5 figures. And with clubs like Dover saying they’re already skint, it’d be enough to bankrupt several clubs at a time when they have no income.

And they’d find it hard to justify doing one thing at step 1, and something completely different at Step 2.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Coastal linnet on March 31, 2020, 09:29:53 PM
How about rather than expunging this season's results add the points achieved in 2019/2020 to the total for 2020/2021. There is a disparity in the number of games played, so could "Catch up" fixtures from the 2019/2020 be played before then commencement of the new season so each team will have played the same amount of games.There would be no promotion/relegation from this season. Just seems a fair way for all!
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Nemesis on March 31, 2020, 09:45:32 PM
Nice idea but who would say what fixtures had to be played in order to catch up.
Assuming the target is 36 games, as Hereford have  already played 35, we would have to play one home and two away, but which ones?
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Coastal linnet on March 31, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
Good point Nemesis. Idea Number two: Award each team one point for each of their remaining fixtures. Keep the original idea of then adding the points to next season's totals.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 31, 2020, 10:40:12 PM
Penalties!!!!

 :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 31, 2020, 10:45:57 PM
Seriously though. Until the fat lady sings, no club has won anything, no club has lost anything.

Whatever the decision there are going to be people disagree with it. Having read fors and against and people's alternative ideas, imho I still think it should be a case of "as you were".

No promotions, no relegations.

 :scarf:
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: TonyM on March 31, 2020, 11:03:08 PM
Nice idea but who would say what fixtures had to be played in order to catch up.
Assuming the target is 36 games, as Hereford have  already played 35, we would have to play one home and two away, but which ones?

It could be made to work, just run have a 'double season' over two years ie have an 84 game season running from August 19 to May 21.  Would have the advantage of rewarding this year without the unsatisfactory arbitrary nature of PPG.  Slightly harder on Lynn than York but having to catch up 2 extra games over the course of all of next season wouldn't be that difficult.  Think they would need to abandon the Trophy and possibly the FA Cup to make it work but we are now in a position where nothing should be considered off the table.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: KES80 on April 01, 2020, 08:11:12 AM
Already suggested this in an earlier post about a week ago. All you have to do is bring everyone up to having played 34 games by using their PPG for this season and then next season ends up with each club having results for 76 games
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on April 01, 2020, 09:45:58 AM
 :oldman" I agree with much written on here,and I am not undermining the issues, but , if I was asked 12 months ago would I accept National North football for a 2nd season, I would have taken  it with open arms. I do realise the .monetary Implications for clubs but feel at this present moment I feel life is more important than any football issues. Sorry if I offend  but life must come first.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 01, 2020, 12:51:16 PM
:oldman" I agree with much written on here,and I am not undermining the issues, but , if I was asked 12 months ago would I accept National North football for a 2nd season, I would have taken  it with open arms. I do realise the .monetary Implications for clubs but feel at this present moment I feel life is more important than any football issues. Sorry if I offend  but life must come first.
   :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: TonyM on April 01, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
Already suggested this in an earlier post about a week ago. All you have to do is bring everyone up to having played 34 games by using their PPG for this season and then next season ends up with each club having results for 76 games

PPG has some inherent flaws, if you are going to combine seasons, the fairest option would be to double up and have a fixture list playing all teams home and away twice.  Basically take where we are as a starting point and then take the unplayed matches from this year and add to next years schedule.  As I have said it might mean losing county cups and FA Trophy for a season but would be a more equitable solution.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: KES80 on April 01, 2020, 02:54:55 PM
With respect Tony your idea has a lot more flaws than mine.
By adjusting each team in Lynn's league up to 34 games played you are making a very very small adjustment to the table..the max is 2 games worth...I don't think any right minded individual could argue with that. It draws a line under the season now,lets clubs know where they are and enables them to prepare for hopefully a normal number of games next season.
You really can't expect teams to play catch up over coming seasons......with the wet climate we now have it is a struggle to fit in 42 matches...even if you were to stop the cup competitions, you are only saving 6 or so matches.....with my idea there is no reason why the cup comps cant take place as normal....
In addition for your idea to be equitable, as you put it, you would need to ensure the squads stayed the same as they are now, while the catch up games take place....just not feasible !

Dazza, quite agree life has to be about so much more than sport, but if you are the FA/National League and you are going to make a decision about football, you may as well listen to all the clubs and make a decision which represents them across the board.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Blueboy on April 01, 2020, 04:34:35 PM
Think they use the Duckworth/Lewis method, it works in cricket and nobody understands it but all accept it!!
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Nemesis on April 01, 2020, 06:43:58 PM
There is no ideal way of dong this.  If we must use PPG and a carry-over to next season then, as some clubs have played more home than away games and vice-versa, you could take the average home PPG and the average away PPG and multiply each by 21 to get an end of season total to be carried forward to next season, but then there would still be some clubs complaining that it was unfair as some of their remaining matches were against lower/higher opposition and therefore their PPG would have improved/diminished had the season continued.
Also, to how many decimal places will PPG be calculated, could promotion be won on one hundredth of a point or should we argue about the merits of rounding?
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: KES80 on April 01, 2020, 07:33:17 PM
But Nemesis you don't need to use PpG to get to 42 games...York have played the most at 34 played...just bring everyone up to that , which is such a small adjustment from where we stand now and leaves little room for argument and start next season from there
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Nemesis on April 01, 2020, 07:39:15 PM
Hereford have played 35
Spennymooor have played 18 homes games so Home/Away ppg times 18  to bring everyone to 36
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on April 01, 2020, 07:52:47 PM
Void every league from Premier downwards. Show a bit of solidarity with those at grass roots level.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: KES80 on April 01, 2020, 08:14:33 PM
Lots at Grass roots level are not happy with null and void either Marcus......many there feel they haven't been listened to also
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: westlynnmike on April 02, 2020, 01:18:40 PM
My idea is to Roll 2019-20 and 2020-21 together and when a team plays a game (2020-21 Season) that was not played in 2019-20 it's for "Double Points".
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 03, 2020, 11:13:27 AM
Just going through some of the other clubs forum. I thought these two posts from a couple of Altrincham supporters just goes to prove, that whatever the decision and no matter which club you support, there are going to be differing opinions on this topic.



   
Re: National League Suspended Indefinitely

Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 10:15:58 PM

I hope we - as club - vote for Kings Lynn to go up and support Barrows right to go up

*****


Re: National League Suspended Indefinitely

Reply #5 on: Today at 10:19:49 AM

null and void it for me if you can't take it to a conclusion.......how can you promote kings lynn when their form has dipped and York are top???
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Nemesis on April 03, 2020, 11:58:10 AM
The National League sees itself as an extension of the EFL so will do whatever actions are decided by the leagues above and won't give a thought to individual situations or clubs at Step 3 and below.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Nemesis on April 07, 2020, 09:50:37 AM
Interesting to read Stephen Cleeves's comparison of possible football season conclusions with the decision to not null and void school exams but take into account performance during the year.
Unfortunately there is also a football comparison, if a match is abandoned it is replayed!
 :stir:  :laughcry:
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 07, 2020, 11:35:05 AM
Eastern Daily Press

King’s Lynn Town’s promotion hopefuls have accepted a wage cut.

The Linnets - second on the National League North’s suspended table – haven’t played a game since Saturday March 14 - two days before football was suspended because of the coronavirus pandemic.

Owner Stephen Cleeve said he could be facing a shortfall of £100,000 in lost revenue, but announced on his Twitter account yesterday that the players had agreed to a salary cut.


“All of our players have very kindly agreed to take a 20pc wage cut until the end of the season,” he wrote. “It gave me no pleasure to ask as I have always honoured contracts in or out the game, but I need to ensure that the club is still around for the start of next season whenever that is.”

The National League has like most others, suspended its season indefinitely, but as yet have not announced how they will resolve the issues of promotion and relegation: it is thought that may depend on what the Premier League and EFL decide.

Last week the National League said it was “currently obtaining specialist legal advice, is consulting regularly with the Football Association and other stakeholders, and is committed to involving its member clubs in a pending decision on how best to conclude the 2019/20 season”.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 07, 2020, 11:38:20 AM
The Guardian

PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor says he will not take cut to his £2m salary

The chief executive of the Professional Footballers’ Association, Gordon Taylor, has said he will not take a cut to his £2m salary, as the continuing dispute over footballers’ wages appeared still some distance from being resolved.

Despite continued pressure from politicians, another meeting between league representatives and the PFA ended without any resolution on Monday, with both sides now looking to individual clubs to secure agreement with their players.

As Manchester United announced they would not use the government’s furlough system and Liverpool reversed their decision to do so, each club is increasingly taking their own route, with some adopting a wait-and-see approach until it is clear how the season, currently suspended, might end.

This goes contrary to the hopes of the Premier League, which suggested all clubs consider a reduction of up to 30% in their players’ wages after an extraordinary shareholders’ meeting last Friday. But it is closer to the approach advised by the PFA, which asked that clubs should reveal their financial situation before players consider a pay cut.

Speaking to the Guardian, Taylor said: “What [the players] are saying is that it needs every club in its own locality to work things out for themselves – you can’t have one suit fitting all sizes because there is such a variance in income and expenditure.

“It needs to be round the table with all the facts revealed and then I can assure you that players will come to a position that is mindful about keeping their club alive and in good health as well as their jobs alive.”

Asked if he would take a pay cut, Taylor said: “The PFA will make donations and the PFA is involved in the players’ charity. At the moment the PFA position is that we will continue to be paying all our staff of over 60 in full.”

As clubs continue to formulate their own plans in response to the coronavirus crisis, Manchester United have written to their staff to confirm that all of their circa 900 full-time employees are to be paid as normal and that no one will be furloughed. Staff who are unable to work from home or have reduced hours have instead been encouraged to volunteer with the NHS or in their local communities.

Burnley also confirmed they would not be furloughing staff or cutting wages, despite the prospect – according to their chairman, Mike Garlick – of a possible £50m hole in club revenues. Elsewhere, David Moyes announced he would take a 30% cut in his wages at West Ham, becoming the third Premier League manager to do so after Bournemouth’s Eddie Howe and Graham Potter of Brighton.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Linnet on April 08, 2020, 09:23:54 AM
Just for balance , he has donated £500,000 to the NHS and charity
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 08, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
Just for balance , he has donated £500,000 to the NHS and charity

Personally, or do you mean the amount the PFA have apparently donated?  :dontknow:
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Linnet on April 08, 2020, 09:47:19 AM
Same source as yours , seems personal



https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/06/pfa-chief-executive-gordon-taylor-says-he-will-not-take-wage-cut
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 08, 2020, 11:02:46 AM
Same source as yours , seems personal



https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/06/pfa-chief-executive-gordon-taylor-says-he-will-not-take-wage-cut

That's not how I read it.

"Asked if he would take a pay cut, Taylor said: “The PFA will make donations and the PFA is involved in the players’ charity. At the moment the PFA position is that we will continue to be paying all our staff of over 60 in full.”
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Linnet on April 08, 2020, 11:48:05 AM
Sorry B & G if you read today's article in the link it clearly states he made a personal donation
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 08, 2020, 01:23:51 PM
Sorry B & G if you read today's article in the link it clearly states he made a personal donation

Hi Linnet

I couldn't open your link, so re read the one I posted.

I've now read your link and I can see that its a personal one now.

Thanks.  :clap:
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Linnet on April 08, 2020, 02:13:58 PM
Thanks B&G No worries

Mind I agree with your general point about being a tad hypocritical

Cheers
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Blueboy on April 08, 2020, 02:54:47 PM
Amazing that Taylor can find half a million to donate, when a few years ago he struggled to settle a £100k gambling debt.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: wack on April 10, 2020, 08:10:33 AM
Article on bbc website ref next moves from national league,sorry I don't know how to do the link thing maybe someone who can will oblige.
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: Mallard on April 10, 2020, 09:02:04 AM
Is this the one Wack ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52189058
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: wack on April 10, 2020, 10:30:34 AM
yeah mallard that's the one.Thanks
Title: Re: All results expunged
Post by: westlynnmike on April 10, 2020, 11:02:03 AM
https://www.kltown.co.uk/single-post/2020/04/10/National-League-North-update