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Title: The big vote
Post by: macfleetwood1 on April 11, 2020, 04:37:06 PM
It's the big vote next week, only 4 clubs allowed to vote from our league, that's not fair, all 24 of the high league voting, a certain Mr Barwick to thank. Do you think that is right, what do you think.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 11, 2020, 04:49:34 PM
It's the big vote next week, only 4 clubs allowed to vote from our league, that's not fair, all 24 of the high league voting, a certain Mr Barwick to thank. Do you think that is right, what do you think.

I'd be interested to know the reasons behind the decision to only allow 4 clubs to vote.   :dontknow:

On face value it does not seem fair, but do they have a valid reason behind this decision?  :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: stevejuke on April 11, 2020, 06:07:25 PM
Who decides which four clubs?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 11, 2020, 07:25:50 PM
Already there is too much ambiguity.
The voting needs to be the same for all 3 National leagues.
Clubs also need to be told of the consequences of the first stage of the vote (ending the season), ie what the options at vote 2 will be, before this first stage takes place.
Seems somewhat hurried, messy and unprofessional after a few weeks of going nowhere
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: wack on April 11, 2020, 07:31:24 PM
where does this info come from please
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: macfleetwood1 on April 12, 2020, 06:37:57 AM
All information coming from Chesterfield fc
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: admin on April 12, 2020, 09:27:04 AM
“Null and void won’t be on the table. It will not be an option”  according to Harrogate Town managing director Garry Plant, quoted in the Yorkshire Post.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mick on April 12, 2020, 12:00:55 PM
“Null and void won’t be on the table. It will not be an option”  according to Harrogate Town managing director Garry Plant, quoted in the Yorkshire Post.


Interesting read
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/national-league-clubs-will-not-have-option-vote-void-201920-season-2535547
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 12, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
If EFL decide not to accept any new clubs or indeed relegate any clubs then it doesn’t really matter what The National League does.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Nemesis on April 12, 2020, 02:27:13 PM
Doesn't it also have to be ratified by the FA Council and we already know they prefer null and void over PPG?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 12, 2020, 02:44:11 PM
Reading varies opinions.  I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Premier League and the Championship to re-start their season ( talk is 13th-16th June). With relegation and promotion between those two leagues with everything under that being null & void.

There lies the rub.  If the above happens ( behind closed doors) the current season will end Late June/early July.  Closed season during August.  Pre-season Sept with season 20/21 starting for all teams at the beginning of October.   

Think that would be a real problem for the Non League game with no income from Games between Aug and Oct.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on April 12, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
What you are really saying is the top two leagues have to complete their games before end of June otherwise they will lose out on the sky contract.Who needs the Premier division havnt missed it at all. How do they intend to play behind closed doors and stay 6ft apart. Let's face it
this is with us until vaccine is found.Forget the money let common sense prevail PPG through all the league's and new season starts when possible.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 12, 2020, 03:35:33 PM
Completed by the end of July.  Money always seems to speak the loudest and getting on for 800m payback seems to be the issue.

Seems like the National League can’t make a decision off their own back and are throwing it back onto the clubs. Worried about legal action ?

That’s only half the battle.  If they decide to go with promoting
Clubs then the EFL would have to accept the Clubs and relegate clubs.   Then this all has to be sanctioned by the FA.

With threats off a 2nd wave ( and indeed talk of a 3rd). When will crowds be allowed back
Into grounds ?  October ?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 14, 2020, 09:40:25 AM
Flagging this up now, as something which shouldn't happen because the size, following , style and standard is greatly different between North and South, but this is the type of cop out / fend off that Committee s can sometimes come up with :
EFL 2   one short so promote Barrow
No relegation from National League.
Fill the one space by promotion from North/South with side with best PPG : Wealdstone
No relegation from North /South



What I guess might be a possible is a one off play off between the top Sides in N/S, based on PPG....ie Wealdstone and Lynn,.....,
(if its allowable to have 30 people in close proximity before contracts run out......which seems very unlikely.)
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on April 14, 2020, 12:24:51 PM
Flagging this up now, as something which shouldn't happen because the size, following , style and standard is greatly different between North and South, but this is the type of cop out / fend off that Committee s can sometimes come up with :
EFL 2   one short so promote Barrow
No relegation from National League.
Fill the one space by promotion from North/South with side with best PPG : Wealdstone
No relegation from North /South



What I guess might be a possible is a one off play off between the top Sides in N/S, based on PPG....ie Wealdstone and Lynn,.....,
(if its allowable to have 30 people in close proximity before contracts run out......which seems very unlikely.)

If using PPG for promotions it should be used for relegations as well - albeit Step 3 are Null and Void.

It should be relatively simple - Two Up from North and South & Four Down from National League all based on PPG. So Lynn and York should both go up.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 14, 2020, 01:23:26 PM
I wholeheartedly agree WLM !
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 14, 2020, 02:06:40 PM
Problem is potential legal action especially re relegated clubs.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on April 14, 2020, 08:03:57 PM
Void the whole season for all Leagues, and be done with it.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: JFL79Gaming on April 14, 2020, 08:52:58 PM
Void the whole season for all Leagues, and be done with it.

As gutting as this would be it is the only realistic option. It should also shut down any legal challenges.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Nemesis on April 14, 2020, 09:14:41 PM
Interesting comment on the Havant & Waterlooville website
"If a null and void season is the decision, then all the games will no longer be on the record. Clubs may then need to decide how they handle goal bonuses, clean sheet bonuses already paid for games that cease to exist. This could result in legal argument."

Would a club really want to claim back bonuses?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 14, 2020, 10:47:06 PM
Well the argument would obviously be that the bonuses are paid as an incentive for results which in turn provide the club with success..if the results and success no longer exist.....I can't see null and void happening across the board.........if that was going to happen wouldn't it have just simply been declared already,  as is the case for non league steps 3-7.? Whatever decision is taken, there are potential legal challenges it seems   and that includes null and void.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: jesuslinnet on April 15, 2020, 01:12:24 AM
How far would you take this"null and void" regarding payments?
The season is wiped, so every player must pay back their wages, as well as any bonuses?
And the fans, do they get all money paid for admission refunded?
Of course not, it would be ridiculous.
In the unique circumstances, all leagues should just be void, and that's it. Not moral to expect players to return payment. You wouldn't in any other job.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Grissles Oleary on April 15, 2020, 01:18:57 AM
How far would you take this"null and void" regarding payments?
The season is wiped, so every player must pay back their wages, as well as any bonuses?
And the fans, do they get all money paid for admission refunded?
Of course not, it would be ridiculous.
In the unique circumstances, all leagues should just be void, and that's it. Not moral to expect players to return payment. You wouldn't in any other job.


Those players earned every penny of their money,and I myself would not begrudge them a penny. Where do we go next,sorry Steve we know you done a great job with the pitch,but season null and void,can we have your wages back? Excuse me bar staff where are you going? And Mark I know you have only just taken up the job,but hand over the money? :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 15, 2020, 09:52:19 AM
Absolutely, but football has been amoral from a financial stand point for a long long time....how can you equate someone kicking a ball about financially to say for example, someone who saves lives every day......this is the amoral world we have been living in for a long time..... don't expect it to change overnight.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 15, 2020, 10:23:35 AM
Have I missed anything on the timing of this guys......is it all clubs vote on whether to end the season sometime this week and then if everyone is in agreement (is it by majority ?), 4 clubs vote on how to end it, sometime after that or have dates and timetables been laid down for the whole process so that we already have a date when it will be sorted?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: admin on April 15, 2020, 10:36:51 AM
Clubs have until May 7th to vote on whether or not all remaining fixtures should be cancelled.
Then if that is approved it is a matter of voting on the options, which I don't believe have been published yet, on how to end the season.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 15, 2020, 12:05:26 PM
Sounds like kicking the can down the road in the hope that Leagues above them will decide what they are doing.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: wack on April 15, 2020, 12:51:06 PM
yep a long way down the road from the lynn news report last week saying we should hear by the end of this week?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 15, 2020, 05:59:43 PM
Thanks Admin......well what a Charade...... I suspect this is to give time for The National League to "diligently" prepare the options ......in the vague hope that while they are being diligent, something else will turn up.
Do clubs really need 3 weeks to decide whether or not to end the season, given many contracts are about to end and there is no hope of match revenue for the remainder of this season ???
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on April 15, 2020, 06:23:14 PM
Article in NLP gives the 7th May date but says a decision could be made sooner if clubs get their votes in.  My guess is that it is some sort of constitutional thing within the National League that there is something like a maximum time limit for postal votes that they have to abide by.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 15, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
Thanks Tony.
Just been looking at York info and this has made it a little clearer for me. So eventually if the National league as a whole has voted to end the season, then there will be 32 clubs voting in one vote to determine how to end it...ie 24 from Premier and 4 each from north and south.

I had thought that North and South would have their own distinct vote.and that then the Premier would vote
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on April 16, 2020, 08:21:06 AM
Has there been a decision on who those 2 x North and 2 x South Clubs are  :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on April 16, 2020, 09:27:10 AM
Normally there would be FOUR Teams Relegated from Vanarama National Premier and TWO Promoted. Unfortunately EFL2 are not Relegating but there is ONE Slot available in EFL2 as one team has gone bust??

According to my calculations AND if the Step 2 Vanarama National League played this with a straight bat/round ball:

Barrow (Premier) Promoted with a PPG 1.89 {Harrowgate in 2nd PPG 1.78}

At the Bottom 6 Teams have been considered as some teams have played fewer games and sit in the bottom group so here are the PPG's. FOUR to be Relegated:
League Position in ( )

(20)  Wrexham    PPG 1.62 Escape
(19)  Chesterfield PPG 1.15 Escape

(22)  Maidenhead PPG 1.078
(21)  Ebbsfleet     PPG 1.076
(23)  AFC Fylde    PPG 1.05
(24)  Chorley       PPG 0.68

Now the PROMOTIONS from:

North:
(2)  King's Lynn  PPG 2.00
(1)  York City      PPG 1.94

South:
(1) Wealdstone  PPG 2.12
(2) Havant & Waterlooville PPG 1.97

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 16, 2020, 12:02:33 PM
I will be really surprised if they go with the PPG model.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on April 16, 2020, 01:48:33 PM
Normally there would be FOUR Teams Relegated from Vanarama National Premier and TWO Promoted. Unfortunately EFL2 are not Relegating but there is ONE Slot available in EFL2 as one team has gone bust??

According to my calculations AND if the Step 2 Vanarama National League played this with a straight bat/round ball:

Barrow (Premier) Promoted with a PPG 1.89 {Harrowgate in 2nd PPG 1.78}

At the Bottom 6 Teams have been considered as some teams have played fewer games and sit in the bottom group so here are the PPG's. FOUR to be Relegated:
League Position in ( )

(20)  Wrexham    PPG 1.62 Escape
(19)  Chesterfield PPG 1.15 Escape

(22)  Maidenhead PPG 1.078
(21)  Ebbsfleet     PPG 1.076
(23)  AFC Fylde    PPG 1.05
(24)  Chorley       PPG 0.68

Now the PROMOTIONS from:

North:
(2)  King's Lynn  PPG 2.00
(1)  York City      PPG 1.94

South:
(1) Wealdstone  PPG 2.12
(2) Havant & Waterlooville PPG 1.97

With (if) EFL 2 not relegating, if there is promotion and relegation between NL and NLN/NLS, you’d imagine only 3 NL teams would be relegated, so that with 4 teams up they’d be up to full strength. Then there’d be a gap to fill in NLN/NLS. AFC Bury perhaps?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 16, 2020, 01:51:21 PM
I will be really surprised if they go with the PPG model.   :dontknow:

What alternatives do you see B and G for determining promotion and relegation if null and void isn't used ?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 16, 2020, 02:04:40 PM
I will be really surprised if they go with the PPG model.   :dontknow:

What alternatives do you see B and G for determining promotion and relegation if null and void isn't used ?

Hi Kes

None really, as I think it will be null and void, as disappointing that may be for us and York.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 16, 2020, 02:19:00 PM
Yes, B&G, it certainly seemed to be the favoured stance of the FA, who will have to ratify the decision, even tho a good number of National League chairman seem to be against it.

Be very interesting to see what these "diligently prepared" alternatives are won't it !

I would have thought that the 8 votes from N and S would be from mid table clubs who won't therefore be voting for their own benefit (?)

I will be disappointed for the club if the season is voided, but nowhere as disappointed as I would have been , had they not had that terrible dip in the last few games.

There must be serious doubts about the start of next season too, I would have thought. Clubs at this level cannot afford to play behind close doors and a vaccine seems a way off.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 16, 2020, 02:31:10 PM
There must be serious doubts about the start of next season too, I would have thought. Clubs at this level cannot afford to play behind close doors and a vaccine seems a way off.

Yes, I agree with that.

Could the reason no decision has been made yet, be down to them waiting as long as they can, and they are keeping an eye on what they will be able to do next season.

Will it start late? Will is start at all? The Lockdown will end sooner or later, but the talk is that we won't then be back to normal. Social distancing is with us for a while. If that's the case, will they ban people from gathering in groups? Even if they allow large groups of 500 people (and they probably won't), how would clubs be able to survive with that enforced?

I know we would all like to know how this season is going to end, but imho how next season is going to start is just as important.

At the moment, communication is key for supporters. That's all we have to be going on with. Sadly that's something that the powers that be have never seemed to realise in the world of football.




https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/columnists/no-matter-how-you-crunch-the-numbers-this-pandemic-is-only-just-getting-started/ar-BB12Igrj?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=UP97DHP
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 16, 2020, 04:20:09 PM
Coronavirus: Significant social distancing needed 'until vaccine found'

Reading this headline on the BBC website, season 20/21 could well be in doubt.   
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 16, 2020, 04:53:41 PM
Coronavirus: Significant social distancing needed 'until vaccine found'

Reading this headline on the BBC website, season 20/21 could well be in doubt.   

Epidemiologist Professor Neil Ferguson, whose modelling of Covid-19 has formed Downing Street’s strategy, was asked about easing the measures. He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: "I think the other thing I would say is that it really requires a single-minded emphasis in government and the health system on scaling up testing and putting in place the ability to track down cases in the community and contact-trace. Without that, our estimates show we have relatively little leeway. If we relax measures too much then we'll see a resurgence of transmission.

What we really need is the ability to put something in their place. If we want to re-open schools, let people get back to work, then we need to keep transmission down in another manner.

And I should say, it's not going to be going back to normal. We will have to maintain some level of social distancing – a significant level of social distancing – probably indefinitely until we have a vaccine available".


From what I have been reading, a Vaccine is 12 to 24 months away.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 16, 2020, 05:06:45 PM
Where Football is concerned can a  Club be closed and moth balled for say 12 months ?  I know this may seem ridiculous in the extreme but these are extreme circumstances we are dealing with. 

Be interesting to hear Stephen’s thoughts on the  potential  of this happening in his next blog.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 16, 2020, 08:16:35 PM
I will be really surprised if they go with the PPG model.   :dontknow:

What alternatives do you see B and G for determining promotion and relegation if null and void isn't used ?

Kes, just a little side note.


When Setch's lads won the title in 2012-2013, if the league had been cancelled with 8 games to go and it had been decided on PPG, Coalville would have been declared Champions.


Coalville would have finished with 2.23

Lynn would have finished with 2.17



Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 16, 2020, 09:14:46 PM
Yes B & G with football it's never over till its over.
Some people thought Lynn had it wrapped up even  before the Kidderminster game and then suddenly .........
If they were to get promoted now it would be fortuitous.....(but I suspect they would take it !!.) and to get nothing for their efforts would be really disappointing.... it's interesting tho watching from afar to see how the National League and other bodies deal with the situation........and maybe rules will be brought in so that in the event of something disrupting the season in future, be it weather/virus etc, everyone has the info as to the procedure, in advance.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 16, 2020, 09:24:57 PM
If the vote should be to find a result from the season, then I think PPG is preferable to current placings. It would be interesting to know for how many games York and Lynn topped the table, also. They were obviously the 2 main protagonists up to the point of suspension..........but anyway it's only speculation and as we have already said, it maybe that there is no next season.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 17, 2020, 08:21:01 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52316971
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mick on April 17, 2020, 08:25:38 AM
I will be really surprised if they go with the PPG model.   :dontknow:

What alternatives do you see B and G for determining promotion and relegation if null and void isn't used ?

Kes, just a little side note.


When Setch's lads won the title in 2012-2013, if the league had been cancelled with 8 games to go and it had been decided on PPG, Coalville would have been declared Champions.


Coalville would have finished with 2.23

Lynn would have finished with 2.17


And last season with 8 to go. Stourbridge would have joined Kettering Town promoted.

Stourbridge   2.00
King's Lynn   1.76

So we mustn't complain too much
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 17, 2020, 10:03:06 AM
Last night Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab confirmed the UK lock down will go on until at least May 7, and acknowledged it was going to be 'rough going'.

But he said it would be 'irresponsible' to set a timetable for lifting the lock down when the virus was still killing hundreds each day.


Ministers are in frantic talks on when and how to ease restrictions costing an estimated £2 billion a day. As well as a rise in testing and tracing it will mean measures to reduce infection in day-to-day life.

A Cabinet source told the Mail ministers accepted social distancing would have to continue for many months to prevent a deadly second wave.

'We are starting to see other countries like Germany ease their lockdowns and I don't think we will want to be too far behind, given the impact on the economy,' the source said.

'But everyone accepts – including industry – that the next phase is not going to be a return to business as usual. We will need intensive testing and tracing of suspected cases.

'And we will have to have social distancing in factories and offices – we will need personal protective equipment in the workplace. Otherwise we are going to be back in this situation again.'


___________________________________________

What the experts say regarding the wearing of masks :

Professor Trisha Greenhalgh


'If 100 per cent of population wears them, reduction in the amount of virus in air is substantial.'


Professor Babak Javid
Tsinghua University School of Medicine

'There's likely to be an upside to wearing them and practically no downside.'


Dr David Nabarro
WHO coronavirus special convoy

'We are saying get societies defended. Yes, we will have to wear masks.'


Professor Ian Jones
Virology, University of Reading

'Masks have value, otherwise healthcare workers wouldn't wear them.'


Dr Simon Clarke
Microbiology, Reading University

 'Advising their use could be a way of reassuring people back to work.'

___________________________________________

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 17, 2020, 12:53:49 PM
Have this strange vision of 1500 at the Walks, 1200 wearing blue and gold face masks and 300 wearing opposition colours.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 17, 2020, 12:56:26 PM
If we are going to need them anyway, we may as well buy blue and gold ones to support the club...... could be a VERY practical way to save lives, stay healthy and support the club financially
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 17, 2020, 01:02:51 PM
If we are going to need them anyway, we may as well buy blue and gold ones to support the club...... could be a VERY practical way to save lives, stay healthy and support the club financially

I don't think anyone trying to make money out of selling masks at a profit would be very popular at the moment though, do you?   

Apparently one of the problems with ending the lock down and starting limited social activities will be the availability of masks. There's still not an abundance of them for the front line workers and its important that the general public don't do (or are allowed to do) anything that may put the supply chain under any further pressure.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on April 17, 2020, 02:08:21 PM
If we are going to need them anyway, we may as well buy blue and gold ones to support the club...... could be a VERY practical way to save lives, stay healthy and support the club financially

I don't think anyone trying to make money out of selling masks at a profit would be very popular at the moment though, do you?   

Apparently one of the problems with ending the lock down and starting limited social activities will be the availability of masks. There's still not an abundance of them for the front line workers and its important that the general public don't do (or are allowed to do) anything that may put the supply chain under any further pressure.

Because of the current PPE shortage, one imagines the current lockdown may go on slightly longer than is necessary, to enable PPE supplies to build up again. Also, as hospitals are running short, it would be foolish to encourage public mask wearing, as the supply is largely fixed, and their is already a global upsurge in demand. The government was taking about the potential of alternating between strict and loose measures, and when the current lockdown is over , we’re likely to go to something between the current guidelines and those from mid march.

For example, schools shut four days before the lockdown began. It’s unlikely they’ll re-open just because lockdown 1 ends (Whenever that is). That being the case, with public events being banned about two weeks before lockdown began, I can’t see anymore football at the Walks in 2020. Unless something drastically changes. Like adopting the Belarusian approach of not being able to afford measures, so accepting an increase in fatalities (not that I’m suggesting we should do that.)
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 17, 2020, 02:26:04 PM
If we are going to need them anyway, we may as well buy blue and gold ones to support the club...... could be a VERY practical way to save lives, stay healthy and support the club financially

I don't think anyone trying to make money out of selling masks at a profit would be very popular at the moment though, do you?   

Apparently one of the problems with ending the lock down and starting limited social activities will be the availability of masks. There's still not an abundance of them for the front line workers and its important that the general public don't do (or are allowed to do) anything that may put the supply chain under any further pressure.






No, but given that there will hopefully be a time in the future, when there will be football at the Walks......maybe early 2021 who knows and if and when it does return there will still be a need for social distancing or masks, then it might be possible then.

The current shortage of masks for key workers in the UK is a different issue..
People all around the world and particularly in the Far East have been wearing masks during this crisis and well before.
I wear a mask in Norwich when cycling on smoggy days.

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 17, 2020, 03:04:02 PM
Whenever we come out of this and Football starts up again it may well be a different world.

With the experts talking of a return to the depression days of 1930  will people be able to afford to watch football live.   Could be a reset button where £17 Non League admission and part time players on 4 figure weekly wages will be a thing of the past.    Lots of things for people to consider as we move forward.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 17, 2020, 04:17:37 PM
Whenever we come out of this and Football starts up again it may well be a different world.

With the experts talking of a return to the depression days of 1930  will people be able to afford to watch football live.   Could be a reset button where £17 Non League admission and part time players on 4 figure weekly wages will be a thing of the past.    Lots of things for people to consider as we move forward.


Indeed, and lots of things to look forward to.   :scarf:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: macfleetwood1 on April 18, 2020, 11:21:21 AM
I started this post on April 11th, 54 replies later, and we are still no nearer to finding out what our fate will be. This seems to also be the case for the Premier League and others. This is now a farce, and I will be surprised if one or two big name clubs end up going to the wall. 
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on April 18, 2020, 05:29:41 PM
£20 entrance as we will have to pay for all the Team's Face Masks during the game.  :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 18, 2020, 06:58:17 PM
At £20 WLM that’s like the club doing its own form of social distancing.    Really think that when we start playing again the cost of admission needs to be given some serious consideration.   
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on April 18, 2020, 07:22:22 PM
Just listened to SC's latest podcast.  His understanding is that the 4 NLN votes (and the corresponding NLS votes) are in effect a block vote based on the majority of those clubs ie if 12 NLN clubs vote in favour then that will be the 4 NLN votes in favour which go into the mix with the 4 from the NLS and the 24 National League side's votes.  Both SC and the chap from Wealdstone both confirmed that their club's have voted to end the season, SC also said he has asked that how each club votes should be made public, not sure what would be gained but he seems to think it is important.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 18, 2020, 07:50:27 PM
Also had a listen in to SC.    Seems like he sees the season will not start in Aug.  Plus with Euros next year the season will have to be pushed through at a fair old rate.  That’s if it gets underway at all.

Makes sense that Lynn won’t sell season tickets without knowing what League, how many games and when it will start.  Makes sense.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on April 18, 2020, 10:53:53 PM
Also had a listen in to SC.    Seems like he sees the season will not start in Aug.  Plus with Euros next year the season will have to be pushed through at a fair old rate.  That’s if it gets underway at all.

Makes sense that Lynn won’t sell season tickets without knowing what League, how many games and when it will start.  Makes sense.

Sensible clubs are already selling season tickets for the next season. A valuable source of income in the current crisis.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on April 19, 2020, 10:38:54 AM
Also had a listen in to SC.    Seems like he sees the season will not start in Aug.  Plus with Euros next year the season will have to be pushed through at a fair old rate.  That’s if it gets underway at all.

Makes sense that Lynn won’t sell season tickets without knowing what League, how many games and when it will start.  Makes sense.

Sensible clubs are already selling season tickets for the next season. A valuable source of income in the current crisis.

Sorry Marcus, but I am with SC on this point.  As much as I think SC has made some 'questionable' financial decisions in his tenure, including 2 year contracts which he also addressed in his latest podcast, I think the decision not to sell season tickets is right on both the main reasons he cited -
    1) we have no idea what next season will look like in terms of its structure, although it seems unlikely it will be a 'full' season playing each side home and away
    2) using 'next seasons' money to prop up this season becomes a cycle that is then difficult to get out of
Obviously you could argue that these are exceptional times so need exceptional responses and I appreciate the cash shortfall experienced by many clubs needs to be plugged, just not sure season tickets is the right option
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 19, 2020, 12:51:43 PM
Interesting article in today’s NLP. Havant & Waterlooville Manager Paul Doswell.   Well worth a read.

EFL clubs will be getting rid of players wholesale and will be the end of players earning £700-£800-£900 a week at Non League Can expect to be earning half that.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on April 22, 2020, 01:29:04 PM
Certainty at last as the National League clubs vote to end the season
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52381612

Glad to see sense prevailed and they announced this before all votes were in after Exeter said in the NLP that they didn't think clubs should be voting on something like this so wouldn't - could easily have increased the wait for clubs at step 2 who now know their season (and contracts) can come to an end at the right time.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 22, 2020, 02:44:32 PM
Do we know what options will be given to the clubs on the 2nd vote and what timescale is involved ?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on April 22, 2020, 06:07:50 PM
Not seen anything official, but my guess is that now that the pressing situation with clubs and player contracts, particularly at step 2 where they finish in April, has been resolved the National League can now take their time to resolve what happens.  My money is on them taking a 'waiting to see' approach and then provide some options once the position in the EFL is clearer.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on April 23, 2020, 11:17:02 AM
Not seen anything official, but my guess is that now that the pressing situation with clubs and player contracts, particularly at step 2 where they finish in April, has been resolved the National League can now take their time to resolve what happens.  My money is on them taking a 'waiting to see' approach and then provide some options once the position in the EFL is clearer.

It all depends on which team is promoted to EFL1 to replace Bury who were ejected. That means a team from EFL2 missing so the cascade continues. Will EFL only accept 1x Team to fill the slot but not allow any Relegations? Will the EFL call it Promotion or Selection?

Will Teams in Premier, Championship and EFL 1 and 2 follow previous seasons and carry out Promotions and Relegations and 1.) Allow that procedure to cascade into Step 2. or 2.) Stop Relegations at EFL2 to Step 2 Level. Much depends on that decision by Step 1.

Then comes the Articles of the Northern League where they cannot treat any team from Step 2's 3 Leagues NPL and North and South differently. If one team goes up to fill the EFL2 slot then a team from N or S will go up but if it's only one team the other League will have been treated differently. What a bugger's muddle.

The Step 2 leagues cannot Relegate to Step 3 as they have "Null and Voided" so no Promotions and Relegations between Step 2 and 3. That seems simple enough.

It's the Promotions and Relegations between NPL and North and South where the sticking point/log jam occurs.

Simple Solution: Highest PPG Team from North and South goes Up to NPL to fill the vacant slot left by the Team going to EFL. FULL STOP.

As 1 x Team has gone Up to EFL then 1 x Team must go Up to NPL fro North/South.

Will we then have a "just the one" Team Up situation or should Step 2 have a "normal" Promotions and Relegations between NPL and North and South leagues.

:dontknow: :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 23, 2020, 12:08:34 PM
Yes Mike this is what I was saying before.... I can see Barrow promoted to league 2 to make up the numbers there and best PPG N/S is Wealdstone to replace them in National League, with no other promotions or relegations. If Lynn are v lucky, it might be a play off with Wealdstone behind closed doors (best PPG N and S) to determine who fills the space.....and btw York will just love that !
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 23, 2020, 12:20:59 PM
If Lynn hadn't fallen away so badly at the end of course they would be top of North and also have a better PPG than Wealdstone ......so ironically maybe null and void will ultimately be seen to be the least painful option (?)
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on April 23, 2020, 12:34:22 PM
All irrelevant there will be social distancing until early next year at the earliest.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Badger on April 23, 2020, 02:03:29 PM
Unless it’s all change this season last season (2018/19) four clubs were relegated from the National League. If that is the case the obvious solution is promote the two top teams from North and South as it stands now.

Admin can you Please inform us what is in place this season. 

Regards- Badger  :oldman" :scarf:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 23, 2020, 02:26:09 PM
From Home page:

Having received the majority of votes from member clubs it has been announced by the National League that the remaining league matches of the season have been cancelled.
The next step will be to the decide upon the "options concerning the sporting outcomes of the 2019/20 season [which will] remain under careful and timely consideration, and further updates will be given in due course."
So Lynn end the 2019-20 season in second spot with two games in hand over leaders York City and two points behind but on a run which had seen them reap just four points from a possible eighteen.
What an interesting end to the season it might have been.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on April 23, 2020, 03:16:37 PM
Unless it’s all change this season last season (2018/19) four clubs were relegated from the National League. If that is the case the obvious solution is promote the two top teams from North and South as it stands now.

Admin can you Please inform us what is in place this season. 

Regards- Badger  :oldman" :scarf:

If National League Relegates 4 x Teams and Promotes 1 x Team to EFL2 then there will need to be 5 X Teams from North and South.

Maybe 3 x Teams Relegated  :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 24, 2020, 09:34:56 AM
All irrelevant there will be social distancing until early next year at the earliest.

Just wondering.

What are peoples thoughts on next season, irrespective of the level we will be playing at?

i.e. Will we start in September?
     Will there even be a 2020/21 season (of any sorts)?
     If there is no football, what options does that leave the Club?

 :dontknow:

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 24, 2020, 10:26:50 AM
Think we will have a much clearer picture in 4-6 weeks time  B&G........my gut feeling at the moment is that the season won't start on time, but that there will be some competition of sorts, perhaps starting October/November, perhaps starting off behind closed doors and supported by the FA/funding from higher up the pyramid. There may be loads of time for the club to explore new avenues eg Academy training might be possible on some level once Schools are back, even if only part time.

Can see next 'season' being a time of massive financial reorientation......not just in football.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 24, 2020, 10:36:44 AM
Can see next 'season' being a time of massive financial reorientation......not just in football.

Very much so. The reset button won't apply just to football!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 24, 2020, 12:27:09 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52409558


National League Meeting today.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 24, 2020, 09:19:08 PM
Meanwhile, in the Netherlands.

The Eredivisie - the top tier of football in the Netherlands - has been abandoned for the season with no title winner and no teams relegated.

The move comes after the national government banned major events until 1 September because of coronavirus.

Dutch football's governing body the KNVB said "it has become impossible to play out the 2019-20 season".

Ajax led the table from AZ Alkmaar on goal difference with nine games left but will not be named champions.

Both Ajax and AZ Alkmaar will go into the Champions League qualifying stages, pending ratification by Uefa.

No sides will be relegated or promoted, meaning Cambuur - who topped the second tier and held an 11-point gap over the play-off positions - will not go up.

Cambuur head coach Henk de John told broadcaster NOS the decision felt "like the biggest disgrace in the history of Dutch sport".

The KNVB added: "The KNVB is aware that whatever decision had to be made, every option would hurt somewhere.

"It will be crystal clear to everyone involved, from supporters and players to directors and referees, that public health always comes first.

"Nevertheless, the professional football board is aware that today's decisions will cause great disappointment in football for some.

The Eredivisie has never ended a season without a champion being named since it was formed in 1956.

The KNVB added that clubs could not be promoted from the second tier without relegation from the top division, in order to ensure there was no fixture congestion next season.

The body said it consulted with the parties involved and asked them to vote for "no relegation and no promotion" or "relegation and promotion" - but the result returned "no clear preference", resulting in the KNVB being left to take the decision.

"Because many rounds still have to be played in the competitions, we believe that we cannot apply promotion/relegation and that is decided," the KNVB added.

Third-place Feyenoord will qualify for the Europa League group stages, with fourth-placed PSV and fifth-placed Willem II entering the qualifying stages of the competition, subject to Uefa's approval.

Football authorities in neighbouring Belgium are expected to decide whether to ratify the cancellation of its top-flight Pro League on Friday.

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 25, 2020, 08:31:02 AM
On a positive note it sounds like Holland will be allowing spectators to attend matches after Sept 1st.

Can see Prem and The Championship finishing the season behind closed doors.  With Promotion and relegation between the two Leagues.   The rest as only 66% of the Leagues completed will be null and void.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 25, 2020, 08:35:05 AM
Seems somewhat incongruous.........they seem to have null and voided, except for the decision that the current top 2, who by nulling and voiding, haven't finished in the top 2, can then go into the Champions League......bizarre.
If you are going to say that public health is more important than football competition and results you have to see it through from top to bottom......if there was no season then there is nothing to base anything on, so No Champions League for a season......seems to me a case of principles up to a point and then money takes over
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 25, 2020, 08:49:51 AM


Can see Prem and The Championship finishing the season behind closed doors.  With Promotion and relegation between the two Leagues.   The rest as only 66% of the Leagues completed will be null and void.
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This can't be right tho surely. There has to be consistency across the board.........or are we moving towards two different football codes,housing different rules and playing conditions, a bit like Rugby League and Union..

Already we have an FA Cup which starts with no VAR and ends with full blown VAR.....consistency has to be the way forward for the game to save face....if the Prem wants to play out, it should be a condition that they provide the funds for everyone else to do the same.....if that's not feasible then all the leagues should end now IMO
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on April 25, 2020, 09:10:20 AM
How can you even play a match behind closed doors if there is still social distancing. I can see money talking to get the premier division completed.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 25, 2020, 09:43:26 AM
Why cannot it be right KES.    Step 3 downwards in Non League came out weeks go with.... End of season, Null n Void no Promotion, relegation etc.  Let’s not assume we are singing from the same hymn sheet.   The needs, ideals of Football at different levels are totally different. 

My bet would be on the top 2 Leagues finishing in an attempt to claw back some of the loses.  Money talks
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 25, 2020, 10:45:38 AM
That's the issue I have Mall with the current situation...the ideals and needs of the game should be THE SAME at all levels.... it's a simple game, it's a sport ........the top has to support the bottom for the game to really survive, otherwise the Prem becomes more and more elitist...its just not sustainable on so many levels
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on April 25, 2020, 10:59:01 AM
Now another "Spanner in the Works" with Bury looking to get back into National League or North laegue.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3516125988414571&set=gm.2622882697936706&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 25, 2020, 11:26:44 AM
Now another "Spanner in the Works" with Bury looking to get back into National League or North laegue.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3516125988414571&set=gm.2622882697936706&type=3&theater

Is the link broken? I can't open it.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: admin on April 25, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8255587/Bury-owner-Steve-Dale-reveals-club-hope-placed-National-League-season.html
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 25, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8255587/Bury-owner-Steve-Dale-reveals-club-hope-placed-National-League-season.html

Thanks. Read it and  also the comments that followd by their supporters about their Chairman. Looks like theres problems ahead there even if they are allowed back in, and even if he's no longer at the helm.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: jackdaw on April 25, 2020, 06:29:52 PM
It would be interesting for Admin to publish some of the posts from posters following promotion last year.It's been a fantastic season so far and beyond belief in my humble opinion and always felt under financed.
The thought that clubs with half Lynn's gate purely shows what can be achieved should you involve supporters and the local community.

At the end of the day promotion to the National League would  be a step too far for the current Leadership.

I have played professionally and deemed myself a failed professional but that's another story. My one regret is not acknowledging the supporters, it was game over couldn't wait to get home not realising what it would have meant for the players to show their face. I am now 82 so you can realise how many years ago that was.
 

Well done to the players and support staff .

Stay safe

John Ward  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I do my clapping also on a Thursday for everyone who are not mentioned, Bin men, Firemen, Police and especially Doctors and NHS generally

 :scarf:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on April 26, 2020, 08:58:42 AM
More about Bury FC from the Manchester Evening News 21 April 2020 - https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/hundreds-sign-up-become-bury-18121022

Here is a snippet from the article:

"Bury AFC was founded as a phoenix club by fans at the end of 2019 and in February had an application approved to join the North West Counties League Division One from the start of next season.

The new club is a reincarnation of Bury FC, who were expelled from the EFL over longstanding financial and ownership issues.

The newly formed club, which has more than 300 volunteers, has now launched a Shakers community membership scheme so fans can have their say in how the new club is run."
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on April 26, 2020, 09:09:10 AM
A follow on from Bury News on 25 April 2020 basically confirming previous reports:

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/football/shakers/18405357.bury-owner-steve-dale-targets-place-national-league/
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 26, 2020, 09:33:49 AM
These reports cover two different Clubs.

Bury FC  have applied for a place in the National League next season.


Bury AFC (a Phoenix Club) hope to play in the North West Counties League next season, the 9th and 10th tiers of the pyramid.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on April 26, 2020, 02:24:55 PM
These reports cover two different Clubs.

Bury FC  have applied for a place in the National League next season.


Bury AFC (a Phoenix Club) hope to play in the North West Counties League next season, the 9th and 10th tiers of the pyramid.

I had noticed that B&G. Just interesting that two Clubs are arising from the ashes of one (Bury FC) - what might happen to Bury AFC if Bury FC get back into Step 2 next season at National or Northern.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: jesuslinnet on April 28, 2020, 01:36:39 AM
The National League has asked clubs to share their views on whether it would be feasible to play the playoffs.

The games would take place behind closed doors when safe to do so.

Teams have been given until Friday to register their opinions.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 28, 2020, 06:37:19 AM
So an uncompleted League can allow Clubs to finish in a place to qualify for play offs, but an incomplete League can not give a final finishing place ?

Go figure
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Bluboy on April 28, 2020, 06:58:33 AM
So an uncompleted League can allow Clubs to finish in a place to qualify for play offs, but an incomplete League can not give a final finishing place ?

Go figure
So do that mean then ppg to get final placing for playoffs ?
Personally perhaps this is the time that they add another rule to the book on let’s says80% games played league decided on ppg , at Least  it’ll stop all this voting /delays to decide.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 28, 2020, 08:50:29 AM
Yes,
I think that's the way forward......can see with potential future waves of this or other viruses and the ever increasing threat of wetter weather, that having a contingency plan in place, that has previously been agreed on, would be sensible.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 28, 2020, 09:52:57 AM
Would seem to be positive for Lynn.
A vote for play offs is presumably a vote for PPG (?)

So top 7 likely to vote for it in NL and bottom 4 against which leaves the 11 in the middle plus 4 from N/S
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on April 28, 2020, 10:10:15 AM
How do you play football if there is still social distancing.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 28, 2020, 10:14:00 AM
Maybe players, staff and officials will be tested before games and then self isolate before and after and play games behind closed doors (?)
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 28, 2020, 10:24:13 AM
Apparently the EFL are still working on the basis of 2 being promoted to league 2 from NL, provided EFL manage to complete fixtures, if not then Stevenage will be reprieved and only one up from NL.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 28, 2020, 05:04:07 PM
France:


"The French football season will not be allowed to resume, the country's prime minister has said.

"The 2019-2020 season of professional sports, especially that of football, will not be able to resume," Edouard Philippe said.

All other professional sporting seasons will also be cancelled".
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on April 28, 2020, 06:34:36 PM
The medical chief of FIFA has said no Football should take place before late Aug/early Sept at the earliest.   Surely English Football won’t go against that advice.  If they do can see themselves being wide open to legal issues
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on April 28, 2020, 07:03:52 PM
just proves that all premier division interested in is money. Couldn't care less about people's health and a 2nd peak shame on them.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 28, 2020, 08:40:46 PM
Yes, saw the French statement earlier today and very pleased to see it...some clarity and leadership at last.
Should bring everyone to their senses and in line and should hopefully alter the National League poll results re play offs and just mean it is a straight decision from Premier league down , to go with either null and void or PPG
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 29, 2020, 09:21:03 AM
just proves that all premier division interested in is money. Couldn't care less about people's health and a 2nd peak shame on them.

FIFA medical chief calls for all leagues to be cancelled


FIFA's medical chief Michel D'Hooghe believes there should be no football until the start of next season with concerns over a "second attack" of the coronavirus. The Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 campaigns were ended on Tuesday when French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that professional football will not be able to resume before September.

The Eredivisie has also been cancelled along with the domestic season in Argentina, but they are planning to get under way again in countries such as England, Spain, Germany and Italy. D'Hooghe is concerned that finances are being put ahead of health.


He told the Daily Telegraph said: "We are all subject to decisions at national level from the public authorities. It is very simple. Football suddenly becomes not the most important thing in life. "I will be happy if we can start, in a convenient way, the next championship and have nothing before the start of next season.

'If they could start the season 2020-21 at the end of August or beginning of September I would be happy. Then they could eventually avoid a second attack from the virus, which is not impossible. "Everyone has to be very careful for the moment. I have heard in many countries they are thinking about playing football again, with or without the public.

"In my long career I have seen many situations where there has been a balance between economics and health. Mostly the economics won, whether that was about jetlag or football at altitude or in extreme conditions such as pollution situations.

"If there is one circumstance where medical arguments should win against economical arguments, it is now. It is not a matter of money, it is a matter of life and death. It is very simple."

                                                                                   ..........................................................................................

In Germany:

Germany's rate of COVID-19 infections grows after lockdown eased

Germany faces the prospect of having to restore stricter lockdown measures as its number and rate of coronavirus infections grew again.

Hailed as among Europe's most successful in tackling the pandemic, the country began relaxing restrictions on 20 April to allow small businesses to open as the reproduction rate of the virus fell.

Based on the average number of people each infected person transmits coronavirus to, the rate - known as 'R' - had fallen to 0.7.

It has since increased to 0.96, only just below the figure of 1.0 that officials say it must not exceed in order to keep the pandemic manageable.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 29, 2020, 01:40:24 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52456446
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 29, 2020, 02:18:51 PM
I see that the French have come up with 3 possibilities for determining the outcome of Ligue 1 and 2, which will not be declared null and void...clubs will vote on this :
Either
1/ PPG
2/ Results based on the midpoint of the season when everyone had played each other once.
3/ Extrapolate back to the lowest no of games played eg if memory serves me Gateshead may be lowest no played in Lynn's league at 31, so take everyone back to where they were at 31 played and base promotions/ relegations on that

As this has been put forward at such a high level, it may be the way the Prem and EFL go


https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/final-premier-league-table-leicester-4088135
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 29, 2020, 08:32:37 PM
....and https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/04/23/uefa-urges-domestic-leagues-use-2019-20-results-determine-european/

this maybe the way for Prem league
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on April 29, 2020, 09:44:20 PM
Could a new TV set up pave the way for NL clubs I wonder. With fans probably banned from grounds for the foreseeable, maybe they would be prepared to pay a sub fee of say £300-£400 pa to see a NL version of Match of the Day...say one live Sat match and highlights in the evening of all games.
£400 multiplied by the average total attendance in the NL on a Saturday divided by the number of clubs, is a nice pot per club for the season.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 30, 2020, 12:37:24 PM
PSG are 'crowned as champions of France' despite the season being ended prematurely with all French sporting events shut down until September

Paris Saint-Germain have been crowned as the champions of France despite the season being ended early due to the coronavirus pandemic, according to reports.

France's top-flight season was called to a halt on Tuesday, but L'Equipe are now reporting that PSG have been awarded the title for the 2019-20 campaign.

Any potential relegations are yet to be confirmed, with Nimes, Amiens and Toulouse currently occupying the three bottom places. It is understood that UEFA placings and relegations are the next to be ratified.

The season's last round of fixtures were played on March 7 and 8, and the final standings see PSG sitting 12 points clear of second-placed Marseille with a game in hand.

Marseille, Rennes and Lille are second, third and fourth respectively in the Ligue 1 table as it stands, but no decisions have yet been made with regards to European qualification for next season's Champions League and Europa League competitions. 


On Tuesday afternoon, it was announced by France's Prime Minister Edouard Philippe that the return of games will not be authorised before September, even behind closed doors, as part of the next stage of the country's lockdown plans.

In a statement, Philippe said: 'The big sporting affairs cannot occur before September. The 2019-20 football season cannot return.'

A week prior to the announcement, the league had announced plans to resume on June 17, but that was curtailed by the French government.   

Meanwhile, UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin and general secretary Theodore Theodoridis have spoken to leagues in Europe, including Ligue 1 and the Premier League, and asked them for a detailed plan on how they will finish the campaign.

A statement from European football's governing body said: 'National Associations and/or Leagues should be in a position to communicate to UEFA by May 25, 2020, the planned restart of their domestic competitions — including the date of restart and the competition format.'

Elsewhere in Europe, the Bundesliga in Germany has announced plans to return to action on May 9 behind closed doors while conversely the Eredivisie has been cancelled with major events in Holland banned until September due to the coronavirus outbreak.

But the Belgian leagues have delayed a further vote on cancelling their season despite being the first country to announce they would end the campaign.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on May 01, 2020, 08:58:41 AM
I see that the French have come up with 3 possibilities for determining the outcome of Ligue 1 and 2, which will not be declared null and void...clubs will vote on this :
Either
1/ PPG
2/ Results based on the midpoint of the season when everyone had played each other once.
3/ Extrapolate back to the lowest no of games played eg if memory serves me Gateshead may be lowest no played in Lynn's league at 31, so take everyone back to where they were at 31 played and base promotions/ relegations on that

As this has been put forward at such a high level, it may be the way the Prem and EFL go


https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/final-premier-league-table-leicester-4088135

Doing some research on the 3 x Options  I find the following:


1/ PPG -

King's Lynn 2.00 ppg  :cup2: York 1.94 ppg

2/ Results based on the midpoint of the season when everyone had played each other once. 

King's Lynn Wins x 14 + Draws x 5 = 47points   :cup2:  York City 12 x W and 8 x D = 44points

3/ Extrapolate back to the lowest no of games played, so take everyone back to where they were at 30 (Gloucester - not Gateshead at 31) and base promotions/ relegations on that.

King's Lynn Played 32  with 64points so take away Last Two Games - Guiseley  Home Lost 0-1 and Bradford Park Avenue Home Lost 0-1 = No Points Lost = 64points  :cup2:
York City Played 34 with 66 points so take away Last Four Games - Alfreton Away Won 1-3, Hereford Home Lost 1-4, Curzon Ashton Draw 1-1 and Kidderminster Away Won 0-1 = -7points = 59points

So in all scenarios King's Lynn are Champions  :cup2: :cup2: :cup2:  :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :worship: :worship: :worship:


Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: wack on May 01, 2020, 09:24:47 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: :cup2: :cup2: :cup2:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 03, 2020, 08:43:45 AM
Here's another possibility...just promote 2 from each of N and S with no relegations....will make for a larger Premier, but if season doesn't start till Jan, divide the Prem into   N and S divis, so just play with say 12/13 in each divi, so24/26 games in season.Relegate bottom 3 from each divi to get back to original nos in Prem.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 03, 2020, 09:44:06 AM
Trouble is KES with a diluted season a lot of the fixed overheads remain the same ( rent, rates full time staff, players on contracts).   If it starts Jan 1, and finishes end of May that gives around 22 weeks. 2 games a week.  No cups.  Least you would get 21/22 games to cover ya costs.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 03, 2020, 10:29:34 AM
Maybe all that will be possible Mall.... better than no season at all.... going forward there will have to be monies handed down from higher up the pyramid for non league to survive in some form anyhow.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 03, 2020, 11:12:10 AM
Here's another possibility...just promote 2 from each of N and S with no relegations....will make for a larger Premier, but if season doesn't start till Jan, divide the Prem into   N and S divis, so just play with say 12/13 in each divi, so24/26 games in season.Relegate bottom 3 from each divi to get back to original nos in Prem.
An idea mentioned in Non League paper.

On another subject. Clubs had an advance payment of the money usually given at start of season. From memory, I think it was said that Clubs at our current level received circa 13k, with the level above receiving circa 70k.

Am I correct in assuming that if Lynn did get promoted, they would then receive a balancing payment of circa 57k?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Nemesis on May 03, 2020, 12:57:53 PM
I wonder what Chorley received.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 03, 2020, 02:19:29 PM
Premier League now saying that if the remaining games are played at neutral venues, there may be no relegations.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 03, 2020, 03:40:51 PM
Think the Premier League are still being very optimistic....I read today that gatherings of ten or more likely to be banned until next year. Individuals have to take responsibility for their own health if governing bodies/ authorities won't.......I am not sure players will be prepared to play.
France have done the right thing......similar infection level and fatalities to UK. It's ridiculous to compare to Germany, who have things  more under control and are further along the road.
Personally, I can't see the games being played...as Gary Neville has said, health comes first....as soon as one player or coach goes down with the virus , it will all collapse in again.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 03, 2020, 04:12:39 PM
Premier League now saying that if the remaining games are played at neutral venues, there may be no relegations.   :dontknow:

Is anyone really interested in the matches, if there's nothing riding on them.... Liverpool have the league won and no one gets relegated   farce...what incentive is there for players to perform, apart from those hoping for a place in Europe.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on May 04, 2020, 12:02:18 AM
Very disappointing that football cannot be concluded satisfactorily at any level.  But surely we have to face the fact that there can be no more games this season, and probably none next season either.  We are in a very serious situation for mankind itself, and any decision to put wishes ahead of reality could be disastrous for life as we know it.  If we, as a species, are determined to keep reality ahead of wishful thinking, we may be able to enjoy the lighter side of life again when it is safe to do so, in perhaps a couple of years.  I realise the vast majority of people do hold reality as the most important viewpoint, but I’m just trying to put it in a nutshell, at least my own !  And of course, my fingers are crossed for our club and all the personnel involved, starting with the Chairman.....and, personally, I feel the season should be cancelled and wiped altogether....
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 04, 2020, 06:43:35 AM
Have to agree Dilly.   With all the messing about on voting for this and not being able to come up with a satisfactory answer., do people really now give a toss how this season ends? Past caring here.

The powers that be at non Levels 3-5 should be applauded.  No messing, straight in closing it all down and The Leagues becoming null n void.   

As for next season, reading/surveys  reports 40% of those surveyed would not attend a Sporting event until a vaccine is available.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 04, 2020, 08:07:51 AM
Don't agree with either of you there.
There are much more important issues than football at the moment and trying to get games played before Christmas at the earliest is farcical........ eventually I suspect those clinging on to the idea that they can recoup some of the tv finances, will have to concede that it's not possible...at least that's my hope.


But there's no reason for the current season's efforts to be rubbed out....just take the stance the French have...close the season down at all levels, use PPG to determine the outcomes and then hold your breath and just wait and see where things stand after Christmas.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on May 04, 2020, 08:17:37 AM
Totally with you there KES. Finish the season now then PPG to determine leagues promotion and relegation. No more football until it is safe which will be when vaccine is found.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 04, 2020, 11:03:31 AM
I'm with Dilly and Mallard.

Draw a line under it all. No promotions, no relegation's.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 04, 2020, 12:25:25 PM
Yes, as you have mentioned before B &G.
Interesting how divided opinion is on this amongst us Lynn fans.....most seem to agree, end the season from top to bottom now. Some of us would like to see the glorious efforts of this season rewarded, others don't think it appropriate (can't tell how the rest of the season would pan out etc) or can't be bothered anymore.
Just shows how difficult it will be for the NL over the coming days
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 04, 2020, 01:38:33 PM
Yes, as you have mentioned before B &G.
Seems lots of people have given their opinion previously. Some, several times.

Just shows how difficult it will be for the NL over the coming days.

Lets hope they make a better decision than they did previously, when the decision was not to actually make a decision!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 04, 2020, 01:50:44 PM
FA chairman: Hard to see fans in stadiums any time soon


Football Association chairman Greg Clarke fears fans will not be returning to stadiums "any time soon" and has confirmed a £75m budget cut.

Clarke said the ongoing uncertainty means that the board has agreed a "sensible" £75m budget cut. He said: "In a worst-case scenario, this would be necessary for the next four years to offset a £300m deficit."


The Premier League and English Football League both accept that any resumption to their schedule in the immediate future must take place behind closed doors because of the coronavirus pandemic.

It is understood top-flight clubs were told on Friday that the remaining matches of the 2019-20 season must be played at neutral venues.

In a letter to the FA Council, Clarke said: "The reality is that we just don't know how things are going to pan out.

With social distancing in place for some time to come, we do face substantial changes to the whole football ecosystem.

For example it's hard to foresee crowds of fans - who are the lifeblood of the game - returning to matches any time soon."


Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 04, 2020, 02:17:34 PM
Thanks for that one B&G.
Glad that someone at the top has made such a statement.
There are so many statements without substance flying around in the media on all subjects at the moment...much is sheer speculation, but by the weight of their numbers, people start to buy into them a bit.

Still don't see how any football could be possible this year, with the social distancing requirements  whether it be neutral grounds or on the moon for that matter.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 04, 2020, 09:19:22 PM
Maybe Stephen Cleeve in his next blog should, address the issue of what would happen if he had to mothball the club for a season, and would it be possible?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on May 04, 2020, 10:41:28 PM
I'm with Dilly and Mallard.

Draw a line under it all. No promotions, no relegation's.

My view entirely. Solidarity with the lower leagues.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 05, 2020, 08:55:37 AM
Surely there has to be Promotion, even if it’s by default.   EFL DIV 2 running one team short.  So Barrow will move up into the League.  Then the team National League Southern will move to ( best PPG).  Bury to join The National League North, with a team from that League being pushed into the National League South ( Brackley?)

If the above were to happen how costly will the slip ups at home  against BPA/Guiseley have been ?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Non League on May 05, 2020, 09:24:17 AM
As I've seen with some posts on here, football won't be played next season in Non-League IMO. Social Distancing measures will be in place for some time, and it'll mean football played behind closed doors if it's to resume. Viable for Premier League, 50/50 in the EFL, impossible in the Non-League game.

PPG should be used to determine promotions/relegation. Barrow promoted to EFL to replace Bury spot and no-one relegated from L2. Chorley relegated from National League because they were almost down anyway, with Wealdstone and King's Lynn promoted based on PPG. You then mothball the leagues till the start of 21-22 season, where fingers crossed things will be able to resume with crowds.

This season coming, restructure everything in non league regionally to like counties. So if Non-League clubs want to play behind closed door games (possibly even have fans in ground in 2021 if measures allow for it then), they can against other local clubs. Not sure where King's Lynn would go, i.e. towards Wisbech - March and P'Boro way for Non Leagues, or East towards Dereham/Wroxham etc. Because again, there may be a limit on travel distance so can't be going to far. Just that way, certain Non-League clubs can still tick over playing wise if they wish to do so, and others who don't want to can sit out knowing they won't lose their spot. You will also have players that live far away from their current club so won't be able to play, but can play for another club (if not under contract). Essentially an extended friendly competition.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 05, 2020, 09:32:51 AM
Can see everything waiting for Government update on May 7th. If they were to extend the lockdown till the end of the month, maybe with slight easing of restrictions and say that football won't be possible at any level  till much later in the year (as the French have already done), then that would scupper the PL plan of finishing the season, which would put all the leagues in the same position of deciding between null and void (Netherlands) and PPG.(France).
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on May 05, 2020, 11:28:17 AM
Surely there has to be Promotion, even if it’s by default.   EFL DIV 2 running one team short.  So Barrow will move up into the League.  Then the team National League Southern will move to ( best PPG).  Bury to join The National League North, with a team from that League being pushed into the National League South ( Brackley?)

If the above were to happen how costly will the slip ups at home  against BPA/Guiseley have been ?

Mallard, it's EFL1 running a team short (Bury FC) not EFL2 so there has to be a "knock on effect" - One Team from EFL2 UP to EFL1, One Team UP from National to EFL2 and that's when it gets mucky. Who ever goes UP to National League leaves a slot behind them and who fills that slot? BURY FC that's who, they should not just drop into the middle of the pile (National League) they should go to the bottom of the pile at Step 2.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 05, 2020, 12:19:35 PM
Spot on WLM.   

So Swindon up from EFL2 to EFL1
   
Barrow up from. National League Prem to EFL 2

Wealdstone up from National League South to National League Prem

Bury to drop in National League North

Brackley (?) move from National League North to National League South.


Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on May 05, 2020, 12:54:10 PM
Spot on WLM.   

So Swindon up from EFL2 to EFL1
   
Barrow up from. National League Prem to EFL 2

Wealdstone up from National League South to National League Prem

Bury to drop in National League North

Brackley (?) move from National League North to National League South.

....and then we have the Articles that say the three Step 2 Leagues cannot be treated differently. If a National League Team (Barrow on PPG) and a South League Team (Wealdstone on PPG) are promoted then the North League Team (King's Lynn on PPG) are not promoted the North League have been treated differently.

Even if ALL Step 1 and Step 2 Leagues decide to Null and Void it still leaves EFL 1 a team short - but that is how this 2019/20 Season started.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 05, 2020, 01:12:19 PM
Spot on WLM.   

So Swindon up from EFL2 to EFL1
   
Barrow up from. National League Prem to EFL 2

Wealdstone up from National League South to National League Prem

Bury to drop in National League North

Brackley (?) move from National League North to National League South.

....and then we have the Articles that say the three Step 2 Leagues cannot be treated differently. If a National League Team (Barrow on PPG) and a South League Team (Wealdstone on PPG) are promoted then the North League Team (King's Lynn on PPG) are not promoted the North League have been treated differently.

Even if ALL Step 1 and Step 2 Leagues decide to Null and Void it still leaves EFL 1 a team short - but that is how this 2019/20 Season started.

3 step 2 Leagues ?   Where is there a 3rd one ?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on May 05, 2020, 01:23:32 PM
This is exactly why all leagues should be PPG most fairest way to settle everything.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on May 05, 2020, 02:18:12 PM
Spot on WLM.   

So Swindon up from EFL2 to EFL1
   
Barrow up from. National League Prem to EFL 2

Wealdstone up from National League South to National League Prem

Bury to drop in National League North

Brackley (?) move from National League North to National League South.

....and then we have the Articles that say the three Step 2 Leagues cannot be treated differently. If a National League Team (Barrow on PPG) and a South League Team (Wealdstone on PPG) are promoted then the North League Team (King's Lynn on PPG) are not promoted the North League have been treated differently.

Even if ALL Step 1 and Step 2 Leagues decide to Null and Void it still leaves EFL 1 a team short - but that is how this 2019/20 Season started.

3 step 2 Leagues ?   Where is there a 3rd one ?

Apologies, I was talking about The Vanarama Leagues -    

Step 1: National League (Vanarama National League) Step 2: National League North (Vanarama North) and National League South (Vanarama South)
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 05, 2020, 04:32:07 PM
No worries WLM.

Looking at the debts EFL are mounting up.   Football looks in big trouble.   Then again it’s been allowed to continue mounting up debts over the years without any attempt to control it.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 05, 2020, 05:46:51 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52550181
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on May 05, 2020, 07:29:57 PM
what a surprise another cop out.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Captain Sensible on May 06, 2020, 08:24:24 AM
Over  £200 million!
Whats wrong with the owners of these Clubs that they think its ok to run football this way?They say money makes the world go round but the world has now stopped and some should take this opportunity to get off!
Too many Owners still appear to be prepared to risk the future of Clubs by buying glory.Then they decide they have had enough and run for the hills,or bad management results in them being forced to go leaving behind a shattered community with its heart ripped out!
We currently have unusual circumstances due to the pandemic,but the speed which so many Clubs started  to hold out their begging bowls clearly demonstrates the financial tightrope so many of them walk!
I just hope the football authorities look upon the current crisis as an opportunity to get things sorted for when the "new normal" is here and we can say goodbye to the Cavalier attitudes of so many people currently involved in the game.
A far more strict fit and proper test for all future owners at all levels of the game would be a good start.It's a ludicrous situation when some people are stopped from owning Clubs in other Countries as they are not deemed fit and proper,but are allowed to own a Club in the UK.
Something's got to be done and its no good the current club owners blaming the pandemic for all their woes.
So many had messed things up long before someone in China decided to eat a Bat!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 12, 2020, 08:27:08 AM
EFL decision by Thursday apparently.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on May 12, 2020, 08:35:05 PM
My glass is no longer half full because I downed my 3rd and final 5 minutes ago - hence this post of what some will call doom and gloom, but I call reality.  I can imagine no football at all until Sept 21 at the earliest.  Even then, I feel the competitions at every level could only re-commence in the same position they were at the start of this very unfortunate season.  I’ve no idea how the finances of clubs, Chairmen, Directors, players, and workers can be calculated, but must hope that they will all engage generosity and good grace in the discussions to come.  So, no answers, just hopes for all concerned....
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on May 12, 2020, 09:34:35 PM
My glass is no longer half full because I downed my 3rd and final 5 minutes ago - hence this post of what some will call doom and gloom, but I call reality.  I can imagine no football at all until Sept 21 at the earliest.  Even then, I feel the competitions at every level could only re-commence in the same position they were at the start of this very unfortunate season.  I’ve no idea how the finances of clubs, Chairmen, Directors, players, and workers can be calculated, but must hope that they will all engage generosity and good grace in the discussions to come.  So, no answers, just hopes for all concerned....

I’m starting feel as you do, except I think the Prem will run some sort of pseudo-bubble league for SKY. How the pyramid works with only the top tier in action, ???. Possibly some extended pre-season sort of thing for lower tiers from spring next year, but that’ll be that.

With the annual winter crisis in the NHS, they’ll want to avoid a third peak over winter.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 13, 2020, 12:24:12 PM
Coronavirus: Promotion should be scrapped if Championship season not finished, says Norwich City chief.


Norwich sporting director gives his opinion on the issue of promotion to the Premier League (Sky Sports)


Promotion to the Premier League should be scrapped if Championship clubs fail to complete their season, according to Norwich sporting director Stuart Webber.

Webber insists the Canaries will not accept a scenario in which they finish the campaign and are relegated, only to be replaced by the likes of Leeds or West Brom whose season has been prematurely curtailed.

While Premier League continue to discuss options for ‘Project Restart’, there is less clarity on the the prospect of a return for football in the Championship, League 1 and League 2.

Webber told the Sky Sports Football Show: “What we could not accept is a situation where we play all our games and get relegated, but the Championship can’t play, and they automatically promote some teams who haven’t finished the season.

“For anyone who has got promoted from the Championship, it is a 46 or 49 game slog. It needs to be settled on the pitch – both coming up and going down.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on May 13, 2020, 03:27:46 PM
This is why the fairest way to finish the season is a points per game from premier down the leagues with promotion and relegation accordingly.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on May 14, 2020, 11:59:46 AM
but that would be so simple but the numptiers want to make difficult.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: macfleetwood1 on May 14, 2020, 03:13:10 PM
They say that money is the root of all evil, its being proven with this farce.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Linnet on May 14, 2020, 04:58:46 PM
Sorry to correct you Mac but the good book says it is the love of money that is the root of all evil not money itself :-)
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on May 14, 2020, 07:05:39 PM
Sorry to correct you Mac but the good book says it is the love of money that is the root of all evil not money itself :-)

Not quite right either, all kinds of evil, rather than all evil.

’For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.‘ 1st Timothy 6:10

And I didn’t expect this thread to end up in theology.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on May 14, 2020, 07:27:22 PM
Watched today's briefing.The medical officer whose been meeting the football authorities was on today.Didnt get impression that football was going to happen anytime soon.

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Linnet on May 14, 2020, 07:55:43 PM
Sorry to correct you Mac but the good book says it is the love of money that is the root of all evil not money itself :-)
Indeed Loughborough How about that a first time for everything

Not quite right either, all kinds of evil, rather than all evil.

’For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.‘ 1st Timothy 6:10

And I didn’t expect this thread to end up in theology.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Non League on May 15, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
Since National League are waiting on EFL, before deciding what they'll do themselves, them announcing a weight PPG to determine league position then play offs behind closed doors could be big (if it's approved).

National League I assume could then go weighted points too (if clubs approve) and either promote top 2, or do play offs. Think top 2 promoted would please everyone and get the season concluded. Not sure how league table would be if it was weighted points in North, because Lynn have more away games left then York but have a lesser PPG away.

Edit: I read it wrong. No-one is coming down from EFL, so will be just one up from National League. I think that could end anyone being promoted from North/South...
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 15, 2020, 04:51:56 PM
Looks very much like those last 6 games only bringing  in 4 out of 18 points, including 3 home defeats could prove very costly.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 15, 2020, 04:58:52 PM
Mallard.

Your previous prediction of Barrow up, Wealdstone up, with Brackley moving South to allow Bury in the North is not looking to be a million miles away.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on May 15, 2020, 06:21:37 PM
Thought I read somewhere that the Articles do not allow for North and South can't be treated differently ie you can't promote from one without the other.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 15, 2020, 10:03:38 PM
EFL league 2 vote to end season and use unweighted PPG....if that is followed through to National League then Lynn top of North.Has to be consistent treatment in  N ,S and NL, so can see Barrow, Wealdstone and Lynn going up
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on May 15, 2020, 10:29:38 PM
EFL league 2 vote to end season and use unweighted PPG....if that is followed through to National League then Lynn top of North.Has to be consistent treatment in  N ,S and NL, so can see Barrow, Wealdstone and Lynn going up

"consistent treatment" would surely be all leagues voided, like the rest of non league football.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 16, 2020, 07:26:08 AM
Think the decision across the leagues is always likely to be driven from the top down rather than the bottom up......the lower leagues may have to give their members a vote in the same way higher leagues have.
EFL 2 clubs want promotion but no relegation and places by PPG. If NL do the same then may mean NL has 2 extra teams next year as mentioned before. Still messy tho as there is still the issue of Bury and an odd no of teams at N and S, so maybe Bury to replace Barrow, and Wealdstone, Havant, Lynn and York up and divide NL into 2 for one shortened season, as mentioned before.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on May 16, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
"Express Sport contacted the EFL (on May 2nd) for comment and they insisted their stance has not changed since their previous update in September and point out that their decision had already been reviewed and upheld by law firm Bird & Bird.

They plan to restore the EFL to its full membership of 72 clubs for the 2020/21 campaign by reducing the amount of teams relegated from League Two to one.

Two sides will be promoted from the National League to make up the numbers."

Unfortunately the Express (and other National Newspapers) don't continue storyline down to Step 1 and 2 level.

Full Article: https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1276632/Bury-FC-EFL-season-scrapped-annulled-Steve-Dale-exclusive

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 16, 2020, 11:59:03 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52679614
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on May 16, 2020, 03:23:03 PM
This is like going back to the late 50s when you had to apply to get into the league and the league clubs never voted for for the non league club. Obviously yesterday they all got there  heads together and in order to ensure they all voted the same they decided no team would be relegated.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: daleh on May 16, 2020, 08:14:05 PM
There is more speculation on here than the BBC news !  Can anybody tell me when we will definitely know when, and if ,Lynn are promoted ? I'm getting confused (and old, so it may be connected).
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 16, 2020, 09:39:17 PM
EFL have a further meeting this Monday, at which it is hoped League 2 situation may be finalised.......then it's over to the National League !!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on May 17, 2020, 10:22:26 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8326997/Chairmen-lower-league-clubs-discussing-radical-plan-split-League-Two-regions.html
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on May 17, 2020, 10:25:23 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8327051/Bury-went-bust-two-clubs-fighting-replace-fans-asking-support.html
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on May 17, 2020, 02:27:49 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8326997/Chairmen-lower-league-clubs-discussing-radical-plan-split-League-Two-regions.html

Is a pretty reasonable plan. Seem’s likely Lynn would miss out if this came to pass, but in the long run I think is the right thing to do. 3 Nationwide leagues rather than the current 5.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: rod on May 17, 2020, 06:46:18 PM
Talk about reinventing the wheel......There used to be until I think 1958, division three north and south.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: daleh on May 18, 2020, 02:10:06 PM
Thank you for the information fellow supporters. The mist is slowly clearing.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 19, 2020, 06:39:18 PM
Meanwhile, back in the Premier.

748 Premier players and staff from 19 clubs were tested for the virus over the past two days.

6 players from 3 clubs were tested positive!

Each club had 40 test kits, and some didn't use their full allocation.

The remaining clubs were tested today with the results back tomorrow, so the figure for positive tests could be higher than the 6 quoted.

Health officials claim its possible that 1 in 400 of the general population of the UK may have (or had) the virus.

According to my calculations, 6 positive from 748 tests is nearer to 1 in 125.

So, for some reason, do Premiership players belong to a higher risk group?   :dontknow:

Have some Premiership players (or their families) been ignoring social distancing and lock down rules?  :dontknow:

If the tests were carried out in lower leagues, would the results be similar?  :dontknow:

Why didn't clubs use the full allocation of test kits, when they have been in such short supply? Are they afraid what the results would show?  :dontknow:


Apparently some players refusing to return. I can't say I blame them!


Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Realist on May 19, 2020, 07:27:59 PM
Just a huge shame that your well delivered stats were not about something important , an example would be the re-opening of schools ...football should wait..
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 19, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
...football should wait..

I couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 20, 2020, 08:13:22 AM
After watching the sterile fayre served up from the Bundesliga at the weekend I wouldn’t get to excited about the return of Premier League Football.

More concerned about my grand kids going back to school and my daughter as a teacher.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 20, 2020, 09:03:10 AM
After watching the sterile fayre served up from the Bundesliga at the weekend I wouldn’t get to excited about the return of Premier League Football.

More concerned about my grand kids going back to school and my daughter as a teacher.

If my children were still of school age, they wouldn't be returning. The Authorities could do and say what they want, but my children would remain at home at the moment.

The news this morning is all about the doubts that Schools will now re-open as planned.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 20, 2020, 09:33:36 AM
After watching the sterile fayre served up from the Bundesliga at the weekend I wouldn’t get to excited about the return of Premier League Football.


Danny Rose says Premier League stars being treated like "lab rats" over restart.


Danny Rose believes Premier League stars are being treated like “lab rats” as they prepare to play through the coronavirus pandemic.

The Newcastle defender, on loan from Spurs, said: “People are suggesting we should go back to football, like we’re guinea pigs or lab rats.”

Rose’s comments come as six players across three clubs tested positive for the virus out of 748 in the first wave of top flight testing.

His fears also came as it emerged the Professional Footballers’ Association has asked the Premier League to conduct extra research into the possible effect of Covid-19 on black, Asian and minority ethnic players.

Speaking to The Lockdown Tactics podcast as Phase One of Project Restart begins this week, Rose added: “We’re going to experiment (in) this phase and see if it works or not.

“I can just imagine people at home saying, ‘Well they earn that amount of money so they should be going back’.”


The Premier League’s medical adviser, Mark Gillett, insists the league will be monitoring the risk to BAME players.

He said: “We will do everything we can to mitigate against [the risk] … as more information becomes available.


Burnley confirmed their assistant manager Ian Woan provided a positive test for coronavirus in Sunday's tests.

The 52-year-old was not displaying any associated symptoms prior to receiving his test results.

He will now self-isolate for seven days under guidance from the Premier League, with fresh tests expected to be scheduled for Monday.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blueboy on May 20, 2020, 01:08:03 PM
So what does Danny Rose think the front line staff have been doing for the past 7 weeks? Just to let him know that they have been working, many without having tests on a regular basis, like he will be getting. So if he doesn't want to " risk his health for peoples entertainment " then that's fine, as long as he doesn't expect to get paid.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on May 20, 2020, 01:20:50 PM
As Matthew Syed said on Radio 5 last week - footballers will be working in one of the safest working environments in the UK with all the testing and protocols that have been put in place.  The difficulty will come when some of the players do 'stupid' things outside of that environment which will put themselves and others at risk.

On a different tack it looks like the EFL are serious about the idea of a salary cap in L1 and L2 as reported here https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52738597
I think if it gets approved the National League will come under pressure to follow suit (might use the extra promotion place as leverage) which will be a good thing for football in general but I know SC is adamantly opposed to, likewise any FFP rules being brought into the non-league game.  I think post-COVID we need to get to a point where all of NLN and NLS are back to part-time and probably a good chunk of the NL are also part-time.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 20, 2020, 01:23:45 PM
As Matthew Syed said on Radio 5 last week - footballers will be working in one of the safest working environments in the UK with all the testing and protocols that have been put in place.  The difficulty will come when some of the players do 'stupid' things outside of that environment which will put themselves and others at risk.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier-league/tottenham-investigating-after-serge-aurier-appears-to-break-lockdown-rules-to-get-a-haircut/ar-BB14mjl7?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=UP97DHP

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 20, 2020, 01:29:31 PM
So what does Danny Rose think the front line staff have been doing for the past 7 weeks? Just to let him know that they have been working, many without having tests on a regular basis, like he will be getting. So if he doesn't want to " risk his health for peoples entertainment " then that's fine, as long as he doesn't expect to get paid.

Of course, that's a valid point.

Rose is far from being alone with his opinion/comments.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier-league/the-premier-league-stars-who-ve-raised-concerns-about-project-restart/ss-BB14mddQ?li=AAwmeM7&ocid=UP97DHP#image=12
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blueboy on May 20, 2020, 02:54:16 PM
Blue and Gold, I agree, but Deeney has a 5 month old with breathing difficulties, so understand his and others with family issues. But Rose, who has suffered with depression in the past, should understand, and his comment last week about "not giving a fxxx about the nations morale" smacks of being insensitive at the very least. Incidentally somebody who met his cousin was told by that cousin that he has always been an opinionated gob****e.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 20, 2020, 03:21:55 PM
Blue and Gold, I agree, but Deeney has a 5 month old with breathing difficulties, so understand his and others with family issues. But Rose, who has suffered with depression in the past, should understand, and his comment last week about "not giving a fxxx about the nations morale" smacks of being insensitive at the very least. Incidentally somebody who met his cousin was told by that cousin that he has always been an opinionated gob****e

Rose was only used as an example as he came up first in the news. There's plenty of others voicing their opinions about Project restart.

I'm also sure that there are others such as Deeney who are concerned about their families, and I can't say I blame them.

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blueboy on May 20, 2020, 03:51:39 PM
Oops, just read my previous post back, was meant to say gob****e, no offence or racist connotation was meant, sorry if I inadvertently offended anybody, was predictive text.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on May 21, 2020, 12:46:21 PM
What are you insulating Loughborough Linnet?

Just go to the (offending?) post and "Modify" or "Remove" BB any problem sorted.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blueboy on May 21, 2020, 01:15:53 PM
Thanks Westlynn Mike.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: wack on May 21, 2020, 03:12:27 PM
an EFL announcement on bbc website which may have a bearing on Lynn.EDP also carrying it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52758193
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on May 21, 2020, 04:16:01 PM
https://www.crewealex.net/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update/

The EFL statement from their website
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on May 21, 2020, 04:47:02 PM
can't get excited probably all change again tomorrow.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 24, 2020, 08:40:11 PM

BBC Sport


English football's pyramid will be destroyed unless the game starts to plan for the financial impact of Covid-19 beyond the 2019-20 season, says Huddersfield owner Phil Hodgkinson.

Hodgkinson thinks as many as "50 or 60" clubs could go bust.

He says he is looking at a "worst-case scenario" of no fans allowed in stadiums for the 2020-21 season.

"The problem is not whether we finish [this] season or not, it is what happens after that," he told BBC Sport.

Having previously owned National League North side Southport, Hodgkinson has experience of the hand-to-mouth existence of many lower-league clubs.

"If we don't come to an agreement there will be no football pyramid. There are clubs I know of that are only still trading because they are deferring wages and [tax] and other creditors. They will need paying at some point," Hodgkinson said.

"There is an absolutely real, stark probability that if something isn't agreed now within football to ensure all clubs can pay their bills and get through to the point where income is resumed, you will be looking at 50 or 60 clubs ceasing to exist. Genuinely, I am talking about that many."

'What is football going to do to ensure the entire pyramid survives?'

Hodgkinson says Huddersfield, three points above the Championship relegation zone, want the season to restart "when it is safe", with clubs set to return to training on Monday.

But he says the game "is not looking at the bigger picture", with the main focus being on restarting the current season.

"It will cost each club between £150,000 and £200,000 for testing to get to the end of the season," he said. "But what happens after that?

"We have been told by the government that there will be no large gatherings until there is a vaccine and that is likely to be in 2021. That means football clubs will lose a vast proportion of their income outside of any broadcast money, which is likely to be significantly reduced or clawed back anyway.

"In normal revenue, we are looking at losing between £7m and £10m. The claw-back for TV is going to be £10m-£30m. That is just us. So, what is football going to do to ensure the entire pyramid survives this? The discussion is being avoided. For the next three, six or 12 months clubs are going to have no income."

One solution Hodgkinson has suggested is reducing players' wages at every level of the game.

"The players are not to blame," he said. "But the reality is, the players have to be part of the solution because if clubs go bust, their contracts won't get met anyway.

"They may not like me saying this, but [players' union] the PFA need to put in place salary cuts of between 30% and 50% for all players at all levels until such a time as crowds are allowed back into football stadiums and income streams return.

"These are ideas. They may not be the right ones. But something has to be done because everyone knows what is coming and people are just sticking their heads in the sand.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on May 25, 2020, 12:35:53 PM
Interesting article B&G and the guy talks a lot of sense.  Everyone seems to be slowly coming round to the idea that the world will look a different place when we can finally go back to worrying about matters on the pitch but the PFA seem to be the last in the queue to accept this new reality and are certainly not being 'part of the solution', at least for now.  Hopefully Leagues 1 & 2 will be resolved this week although think they have cleverly put the relegation of Stevenage back to the NL in saying they will only relegate IF the National League guarantee they will run next season and who knows when they will be able to confirm that? 

I am still not sure there is the money to justify playoffs the lower down you go, when you hear the costs involved in setting up testing and also bringing players back for one or two games it becomes increasingly unviable the lower down the pyramid you get so there has to be a cut off at some point and I think it may be NL level with step 2 play offs cancelled, the question then would be would the NL relegate any (with just Wealdstone promoted due to the Bury 'gap'), 1 (Wealdstone & KL promoted) or 3 (Wealdstone, KL and the runners up of NLS/NLN all going up)
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: wack on May 27, 2020, 03:34:53 PM
FA gives National league permission to extend season for play off should the league wish to go down that route.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on May 28, 2020, 10:03:17 PM
Whatever outcome of "The Bury Problem" and if team/s promoted and relegated - there will be the "Gap" in Step 1 NL or Step 2 North and South?

That "Gap" may be filled by Bury FC and if so it should be at Step 2 North (not National League Step 1).

However, if Bury FC are unable to reform - Who gets to fill "The Gap"  :dontknow:

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: samsdad on May 29, 2020, 07:38:19 AM
Quick question and forgive me if I am being somewhat stupid BUT...

Why would Bury be allowed to come back in at such a high level? Where Lynn, Rushden etc given the same chance when reforming?

Seems a punishment to so many other clubs if they allowed to jump the queue so to speak...
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 29, 2020, 08:00:55 AM
When Lynn went pop under Ken  Bobbins we were given a two level drop in standard on reforming.   Step 3 to Step 5.  The season before to had dropped from step 2 to step 3 because of ground grading.  That’s what my memory of what happened.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 29, 2020, 01:41:02 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/the-wait-goes-on-for-the-linnets-following-latest-efl-statement-9111505/
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on May 29, 2020, 01:43:09 PM
Can kicked down the road for another week, EFL now going to vote on the 8th June.  Ian Dennis on Twitter saying NL are happy to wait for the outcome before deciding what they will do.  Given how long they are taking to conclude the 2019-20 season, heaven only knows how long they are going to take in sorting out arrangements for the 2020-21 season
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on May 29, 2020, 01:43:28 PM
Quick question and forgive me if I am being somewhat stupid BUT...

Why would Bury be allowed to come back in at such a high level? Where Lynn, Rushden etc given the same chance when reforming?

Seems a punishment to so many other clubs if they allowed to jump the queue so to speak...

I suppose they could be going along the lines of it being different for Bury, as the Club itself did not go bust. It was just expelled from the League. The Club itself, although not playing football even before the Virus, still exists.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 29, 2020, 02:12:50 PM
Stephen Cleeve deals with the relegation promotion issue in his latest podcast.   He is doing another one on Monday.  Which I guess will deal with the EFL decision.

Mr Cleeve is quoted as saying that the clubs in Div 2 are voting on it. Apparently 10 clubs are for no relegation as things stand at the moment. Think MR Cleeve says the 10 clubs need three more to vote on it to push it through.  Looks as though it might be close.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on May 29, 2020, 02:23:09 PM
Beginning to look as if Barrow will be promoted and Bury take their place in the National League back to the back scratching days of the 50s.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Ap on May 29, 2020, 06:20:06 PM
When Lynn went pop under Ken  Bobbins we were given a two level drop in standard on reforming.   Step 3 to Step 5.  The season before to had dropped from step 2 to step 3 because of ground grading.  That’s what my memory of what happened.

Pretty much as I remember it Mallard. Only to add that the leagues weren't obliged to accept us at step 5. Eastern Counties was Lynn's preference as I recall but they indicated they wanted us to start in their first division (step 6), hence we (re)started in the UCL.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: macfleetwood1 on May 31, 2020, 07:28:56 AM
EFL meeting on Tuesday, National League finalised on June 8th.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on May 31, 2020, 12:07:38 PM
How many times does this lot kick the can down the Road.   Ain’t it good they don’t have any really important decisions to make! Begs the question are they really fit for purpose?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on May 31, 2020, 05:08:16 PM
How many times does this lot kick the can down the Road.   Ain’t it good they don’t have any really important decisions to make! Begs the question are they really fit for purpose?

To be fair Mallard, the National cannot make any decision until the EFL make their position clear ref Promotions and Relegations.

Once that is Done-and-Dusted Steps 1 & 2 can be resolved.

Hurry Up & Wait.  :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on June 02, 2020, 01:55:19 PM
Not an overly positive view from Wycombe's chairman

https://www.wycombewanderers.co.uk/news/2020/june/an-update-from-rob-couhig/

Pretty negative throughout but if anyone is in doubt as to where some clubs are, this is the quote that stood out for me referring to non-football staff - "We are also recommending that they begin the search for alternative employment once furlough ends"
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 02, 2020, 02:06:26 PM
Not an overly positive view from Wycombe's chairman

https://www.wycombewanderers.co.uk/news/2020/june/an-update-from-rob-couhig/

Pretty negative throughout but if anyone is in doubt as to where some clubs are, this is the quote that stood out for me referring to non-football staff - "We are also recommending that they begin the search for alternative employment once furlough ends"

Realistic more than negative?   :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 04, 2020, 08:34:03 AM
I see the EFL meeting to finally decide On promotion/relegation issues etc has now been put back to next Tuesday.

The general feeling is they will go with the normal relegation and promotion through the Leagues.   Think we can assume the National League will follow and adopt the same structure ( though there is no relegation out of the National or promotion into it).

I read somewhere that the FA pay the EFL a fee of £6m each season for the 2nd promotion spot from the National League to the EFL.   With the demise of Bury I wonder if they will still pay that for this season ?   

Money does talk, even at National League level.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 04, 2020, 10:46:15 AM
I see the EFL meeting to finally decide On promotion/relegation issues etc has now been put back to next Tuesday.

The general feeling is they will go with the normal relegation and promotion through the Leagues.   Think we can assume the National League will follow and adopt the same structure ( though there is no relegation out of the National or promotion into it).

I read somewhere that the FA pay the EFL a fee of £6m each season for the 2nd promotion spot from the National League to the EFL.   With the demise of Bury I wonder if they will still pay that for this season ?   

Money does talk, even at National League level.

From memory, Lynn received 13k from the EFL a few weeks ago. Presumably they will receive the balance of 45k (?) when promotion is confirmed.  :dontknow:

Nice if it comes Lynn's way, as it automatically sorts out the shortfall/war chest requirement of 50k previously discussed and requested.

 :scarf:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: daleh on June 06, 2020, 04:51:52 PM
I asked my fellow supporters on 16th May when we would know the outcome to our season. Here we are 3 weeks later and still none the wiser. Yes, I know the National League decisions are heavily influenced (or decided) by those 'higher' up the pyramid. And to a certain extent they are holding out as long as possible to ensure a correct and safe decision is made. But surely it's time for some sort of firm direction now. Clubs need to prepare for the new season which ,as I write, we have no firm knowledge as to it's format, size or even start date.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 06, 2020, 05:19:17 PM
Some might say ‘what’s the rush ?’  It’s not as though Football at Lynn level ( step two or even one) is likely to start anytime soon, if at all this year.

Then you look at scenes in Parliament Square in London ( and many other places) and think why not ?  We hear the all important r rate is back around 1 ( and even over 1 in some areas) abd wonder what is the point.   

It’s either legal or illegal to have mass gatherings, for whatever reason.  If thousands can pack into London and other Cities on protest rallies then why can’t they pack into Football stadiums ?

Crazy Crazy World.   Boris and his other Circus performers must be very proud of themselves.

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: gs50 on June 06, 2020, 05:50:53 PM
Didn't realise this had become a political forum.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on June 06, 2020, 10:26:48 PM
Ah but they are Mall.....Boris has already stated in the Commons that he is very proud of his and his party's efforts.....
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 06, 2020, 10:30:05 PM
Nobody mentioned politicians.  It’s circus performers that we’re cited !....
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 06, 2020, 10:41:59 PM
Let's just be thankful we didn't get the alternative!

And even more thankful we don't live in Scotland!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on June 07, 2020, 08:20:54 AM
Let's just be thankful we didn't get the alternative!

And even more thankful we don't live in Scotland!

Couldn’t have done a worse job than old de Pfeffel.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 07, 2020, 09:23:57 AM
Let's just be thankful we didn't get the alternative!

And even more thankful we don't live in Scotland!

Couldn’t have done a worse job than old de Pfeffel.

I really wouldn't like to put it to the test!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on June 07, 2020, 09:52:40 AM
Some might say ‘what’s the rush ?’  It’s not as though Football at Lynn level ( step two or even one) is likely to start anytime soon, if at all this year.

Then you look at scenes in Parliament Square in London ( and many other places) and think why not ?  We hear the all important r rate is back around 1 ( and even over 1 in some areas) abd wonder what is the point.   

It’s either legal or illegal to have mass gatherings, for whatever reason.  If thousands can pack into London and other Cities on protest rallies then why can’t they pack into Football stadiums ?

Crazy Crazy World.   Boris and his other Circus performers must be very proud of themselves.

These protests are mass gatherings by irresponsible people of I suspect all political persuasions. Now, if the Government went at them with a heavy hand I think the Country would be faced with riots and mayhem. Hopefully the protester's actions will not have serious consequences (COVID-19) for them and the rest of us responsible people.

I hope that was politically neutral enough for those who know my true political leanings. :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: somerset linnet on June 07, 2020, 10:44:34 AM
Well said WestLynn. :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 07, 2020, 01:27:57 PM
Some might say ‘what’s the rush ?’  It’s not as though Football at Lynn level ( step two or even one) is likely to start anytime soon, if at all this year.

Then you look at scenes in Parliament Square in London ( and many other places) and think why not ?  We hear the all important r rate is back around 1 ( and even over 1 in some areas) abd wonder what is the point.   

It’s either legal or illegal to have mass gatherings, for whatever reason.  If thousands can pack into London and other Cities on protest rallies then why can’t they pack into Football stadiums ?

Crazy Crazy World.   Boris and his other Circus performers must be very proud of themselves.

These protests are mass gatherings by irresponsible people of I suspect all political persuasions. Now, if the Government went at them with a heavy hand I think the Country would be faced with riots and mayhem. Hopefully the protester's actions will not have serious consequences (COVID-19) for them and the rest of us responsible people.

I hope that was politically neutral enough for those who know my true political leanings. :laughcry: :laughcry:

Of course Black lives matter. All lives matter. These protest we are now seeing in the UK are irresponsible beyond belief.

Next Saturday, there was going to be the "Celebrate Kings Lynn" event in the Walks, but has been cancelled for obvious reason.

Apparently, the same week that this event has been booked for, and in the same location, there is now going to be a black lives matter protest.

Where's the logic in that?

Maybe we need to form a protest group called "all lives matter" which can start off by discouraging people from gathering and  protesting in such a manner during the current Pandemic.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on June 07, 2020, 02:40:32 PM
Some might say ‘what’s the rush ?’  It’s not as though Football at Lynn level ( step two or even one) is likely to start anytime soon, if at all this year.

Then you look at scenes in Parliament Square in London ( and many other places) and think why not ?  We hear the all important r rate is back around 1 ( and even over 1 in some areas) abd wonder what is the point.   

It’s either legal or illegal to have mass gatherings, for whatever reason.  If thousands can pack into London and other Cities on protest rallies then why can’t they pack into Football stadiums ?

Crazy Crazy World.   Boris and his other Circus performers must be very proud of themselves.

These protests are mass gatherings by irresponsible people of I suspect all political persuasions. Now, if the Government went at them with a heavy hand I think the Country would be faced with riots and mayhem. Hopefully the protester's actions will not have serious consequences (COVID-19) for them and the rest of us responsible people.

I hope that was politically neutral enough for those who know my true political leanings. :laughcry: :laughcry:

Of course Black lives matter. All lives matter. These protest we are now seeing in the UK are irresponsible beyond belief.

Next Saturday, there was going to be the "Celebrate Kings Lynn" event in the Walks, but has been cancelled for obvious reason.

Apparently, the same week that this event has been booked for, and in the same location, there is now going to be a black lives matter protest.

Where's the logic in that?

Maybe we need to form a protest group called "all lives matter" which can start off by discouraging people from gathering and  protesting in such a manner during the current Pandemic.   :dontknow:

Apparently JUNE 13 - Kings Lynn - Town Hall, 2pm  :banghead; :banghead; :banghead; :red card: :red card: :red card:

I know I won't see YOU there - Because I will not be there either.

 :nilpoints:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 07, 2020, 03:07:12 PM
Some might say ‘what’s the rush ?’  It’s not as though Football at Lynn level ( step two or even one) is likely to start anytime soon, if at all this year.

Then you look at scenes in Parliament Square in London ( and many other places) and think why not ?  We hear the all important r rate is back around 1 ( and even over 1 in some areas) abd wonder what is the point.   

It’s either legal or illegal to have mass gatherings, for whatever reason.  If thousands can pack into London and other Cities on protest rallies then why can’t they pack into Football stadiums ?

Crazy Crazy World.   Boris and his other Circus performers must be very proud of themselves.

These protests are mass gatherings by irresponsible people of I suspect all political persuasions. Now, if the Government went at them with a heavy hand I think the Country would be faced with riots and mayhem. Hopefully the protester's actions will not have serious consequences (COVID-19) for them and the rest of us responsible people.

I hope that was politically neutral enough for those who know my true political leanings. :laughcry: :laughcry:

Of course Black lives matter. All lives matter. These protest we are now seeing in the UK are irresponsible beyond belief.

Next Saturday, there was going to be the "Celebrate Kings Lynn" event in the Walks, but has been cancelled for obvious reason.

Apparently, the same week that this event has been booked for, and in the same location, there is now going to be a black lives matter protest.

Where's the logic in that?

Maybe we need to form a protest group called "all lives matter" which can start off by discouraging people from gathering and  protesting in such a manner during the current Pandemic.   :dontknow:

Apparently JUNE 13 - Kings Lynn - Town Hall, 2pm  :banghead; :banghead; :banghead; :red card: :red card: :red card:

I know I won't see YOU there - Because I will not be there either.

 :nilpoints:

We can not go together!

 :laughcry:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on June 07, 2020, 07:01:29 PM
I think there's bound to be one in Durham too....my eyesight's been dodgey all week.......
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: m a hill on June 08, 2020, 07:25:08 AM
When I see a white person or a person of Colour, what I see is a Human Being.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 08, 2020, 09:37:06 AM


Think Mr Hill should adjust your post above or if not perhaps Admin should do it for you.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 08, 2020, 10:39:16 AM

Think Mr Hill should adjust your post above or if not perhaps Admin should do it for you.

Done.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: macfleetwood1 on June 08, 2020, 04:28:47 PM
I started this post 2 months ago, now well over 220 reply posts, are we any the wiser. We have let good players go, we have signed players, and not for the first time the begging bowl is out again, the pitch has been dug up, at great cost, but what league are we in? Please sort this week, the pain is unbearable! 
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Bluboy on June 08, 2020, 08:55:42 PM
I started this post 2 months ago, now well over 220 reply posts, are we any the wiser. We have let good players go, we have signed players, and not for the first time the begging bowl is out again, the pitch has been dug up, at great cost, but what league are we in? Please sort this week, the pain is unbearable!
Wonder if Darlington fans called it the begging bowl  :dontknow: or was everyone pulling in same direction up there ???
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 08, 2020, 09:19:21 PM
I would say the owners of Darlo were all pulling in the same direction. As is the Kings Lynn owner.

How far is SC toward his 50k target after a week ?  Darlo owners raised 131k in a month.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 08, 2020, 10:03:02 PM
I started this post 2 months ago, now well over 220 reply posts, are we any the wiser. We have let good players go, we have signed players, and not for the first time the begging bowl is out again, the pitch has been dug up, at great cost, but what league are we in? Please sort this week, the pain is unbearable!
Wonder if Darlington fans called it the begging bowl  :dontknow: or was everyone pulling in same direction up there ???

Darlington supporters are well organised and raise funds for the club, which they own, on a regular basis.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: wack on June 09, 2020, 01:05:51 PM
At an Extraordinary General Meeting on Tuesday 9 June, EFL Clubs voted on proposals in respect of changes to EFL Regulations in the event season 2019/20 is curtailed.

Proposals were submitted by Barnsley and Tranmere Rovers alongside amendments to an EFL Board proposal which were put forward by Lincoln City, Stevenage and Ipswich Town.

Following a vote on each by all 71 Clubs, it was overwhelmingly agreed (by a majority of all clubs and a majority in the Championship) to adopt the EFL Board’s proposal into EFL Regulations, which now means the following applies in the event a division curtails its 2019/20 season or it is ended by any other means.

1. Final divisional placings will be determined on unweighted points per game (if required).
2. Promotion and relegation should be retained.
3. Play-Offs will be played in all circumstances but will not be extended (beyond four teams).

Clubs in Leagues One and Two will now meet by division later today to formally determine whether to resume playing the 2019/20 season or opt for curtailment.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Watford mick on June 09, 2020, 01:43:31 PM
Well    now that the efl have decided on the method of progress if the Season is curtailed    I think we can start to believe we are promoted     assuming the national league follow suit that is  :cup2:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Non League on June 09, 2020, 02:11:28 PM
Think it's safe to say that the Champagne can be put on ice, ready to open  :cup2:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: daleh on June 09, 2020, 02:17:23 PM
Looking good.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: daleh on June 09, 2020, 02:27:22 PM
If the points per match regime is adopted my rough calculations indicate that the top 5 places remain the same except Lynn swap with York. For the sake of fairness, one hopes York then get through the playoffs
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 09, 2020, 02:29:37 PM
We are National League, say we are National League.

Big name clubs at The Walks sometime next season
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Wingwizzard on June 09, 2020, 03:19:23 PM
I am not going to count my chickens just yet  its taken the EFL this long to get here  I wont celebrate until its in black and white and signed by the FA. but I would like to think its hopeful we will go up
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: wack on June 09, 2020, 03:30:06 PM
league 2 have voted to end season.
Swindon, Crewe and Plymouth celebrating promotion as League Two ends early
League Two has voted to end its season early. Using points-per-game standings, Swindon, Crewe and Plymouth are promoted, while four other sides will compete in the play-offs. League One teams will vote later on Tuesday.
League One clubs have voted to curtail the season and Coventry City are the champions
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 10, 2020, 11:15:15 AM
I’m not celebrating yet, but fingers are well and truly crossed.....  If we do get the promotion, two thoughts have arrived.....   1.  That crowd of 4K against York Might well be in jeopardy, and the non-league world would be thoroughly jolted.....  and 2.  In this era of statue removal, quite rightly IMO, A NEW one of SC should be sculpted and erected in the middle of the Tuesday Market Place !!!!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 10, 2020, 01:09:34 PM
I’m not celebrating yet, but fingers are well and truly crossed.....  If we do get the promotion, two thoughts have arrived.....   1.  That crowd of 4K against York Might well be in jeopardy, and the non-league world would be thoroughly jolted.....  and 2.  In this era of statue removal, quite rightly IMO, A NEW one of SC should be sculpted and erected in the middle of the Tuesday Market Place !!!!

Yet another just giving fund raising appeal then!

 :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: m a hill on June 10, 2020, 01:15:23 PM
Blue and Gold can you explain what was wrong with my post that Mallard complained about
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 10, 2020, 02:20:33 PM
Blue and Gold can you explain what was wrong with my post that Mallard complained about

PM sent to you.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: macfleetwood1 on June 11, 2020, 11:14:18 AM
Bradford PA are predicting Lynn and York both promoted, many National clubs can not afford to have there players Covid tested after every play off game, at £125 a test, if you have 30 - 40 players, no income, wages to pay, I have to say I agree with that statement.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 11, 2020, 11:59:58 AM
Bradford PA are predicting Lynn and York both promoted, many National clubs can not afford to have there players Covid tested after every play off game, at £125 a test, if you have 30 - 40 players, no income, wages to pay, I have to say I agree with that statement.

Yes, that's a big bill to commit your Club to.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on June 11, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Bradford PA are predicting Lynn and York both promoted, many National clubs can not afford to have there players Covid tested after every play off game, at £125 a test, if you have 30 - 40 players, no income, wages to pay, I have to say I agree with that statement.

If you do the sums, teams in 6th for example, would have to play 3 games to go up (if the current structure was used.) if they used the same protocol as the championship, that would mean paying for at least four rounds of testing. Assuming only 25 were tested, (players, coaches and minimal ground staff) that gives sum nice easy sums.

25*4*£125=£12,500 - not exactly pocket change.

If/when football restarts, that’s likely to be an additional monthly cost of running a team for the foreseeable, up and down the pyramid. How many clubs have that, without gate receipts? Can’t imagine it’s many.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 11, 2020, 01:15:33 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/sport/points-per-game-model-unweighted-to-reflect-home-and-away-games-would-see-linnets-promoted-as-champions-of-national-league-north-9112747/
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: wack on June 11, 2020, 02:20:22 PM
All sorts of shenanigans going on the twitterings of mark hearle and steve cleeve ref possible idea
for voting on.Also on Greg Plummer.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 11, 2020, 02:31:46 PM
Is Mark Hearle now back from Furlough ?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Non League on June 11, 2020, 02:32:53 PM
Either way, Lynn will be going up as Champions.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: admin on June 11, 2020, 02:44:11 PM
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Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on June 11, 2020, 02:48:20 PM
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No step 2 play-offs because it isn’t ‘elite’ football but step 1 is.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 12, 2020, 01:18:20 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/sport/former-linnets-favourite-says-club-deserve-promotion-spot-to-top-flight-of-national-league-9112930/
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: admin on June 13, 2020, 05:44:12 PM
@DorkingWDRS
3:27 PM · Jun 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone


BREAKING NEWS: Official clarity from the Government will be sent to National League Chairman today confirming that NO explicit guidance was given from the DCMS to the FA with regards to Step 2 football, a footballer obtaining an income falls within the ‘Elite’ classification.
Time for the FA to accept they made a mistake & we all move on - the National League now need to swiftly put this right & move on to the all important safety & testing costs by working alongside their clubs
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 13, 2020, 06:36:31 PM
Sounds very much like someone has been caught out telling porkies. 
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on June 14, 2020, 08:19:48 AM
 :banghead; :oldman" :farmer: I have been following all the shenanigans that have been going on with the EFL and the National League, firstly I must say that obviously LIFE is the most important issue here, and it should never be a bigger issue than 22 men/ women kicking a bag of wind around a football pitch, HOWEVER,  I do believe the time has come for the National League to finally make a decision as to what there plan is moving forward. Hopefully tomorrow they will make the final decisions regarding what they plan to do, and not delay the decisions anymore, personally I would like to see a PPG system used and also the team finishing 2nd on PPG (YORK CITY) also promoted, I know this is not going to be agreed by all, but CLUBS at our level need some clarity as to where and who, they will be facing next season,( as and when it's safe to resume). Clubs at our level do not have the money for testing players for COVID 19, hence why I would opt for the 2 up on PPG system.
     HOPEFULLY TOMORROW KLTFC WILL BE NATIONAL NORTH CHAMPIONS.
                   ONLY TIME WILL TELL, BUT LIFE MUST COME FIRST.
                                  :banghead; :cup2: :banghead; :cup2: :banghead;
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: daleh on June 14, 2020, 04:50:22 PM
Wise words, wise words.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: macfleetwood1 on June 15, 2020, 10:25:12 AM
I am hearing now Tuesday, vote papers never went out, as Victor said.... I don't believe it!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 15, 2020, 11:22:38 AM
Can kicked further down the road again.  This lot really are a joke.  Once this is sorted heads should roll.  This National League Committee/Board should not be anywhere near running a Football League.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: little John on June 15, 2020, 12:00:16 PM
I am hearing now Tuesday, vote papers never went out, as Victor said.... I don't believe it!
Haven't they heard of the internet?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on June 15, 2020, 03:42:52 PM
I am hearing now Tuesday, vote papers never went out, as Victor said.... I don't believe it!
PATHETIC
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on June 15, 2020, 06:03:01 PM
Wouldn't have been right to send them out as they initially were with no playoffs...now it appears forms have been sent out with play offs included. Hopefully enough will now vote for it... hopefully the 4 from N/S and most of the NL... don't suppose the bottom 4 inNL will vote for it, but at least its now similar to the EFL model.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 15, 2020, 07:03:20 PM
Bottom 3 I would think KES.  4th bottom won’t be affected
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: macfleetwood1 on June 15, 2020, 08:17:45 PM
SC saying good news is on the way!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: admin on June 15, 2020, 09:05:04 PM
Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss
BREAKING:

The National League has sent clubs the 'Ordinary Resolution'.

They've been asked to vote by Wednesday 5pm.

The Resolution remains mostly unchanged from last week’s draft.

It allows playoffs subject to 'government guidance'.

This is a summary of it:

(https://i.ibb.co/hy0Nwjd/Ollie.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hy0Nwjd)
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on June 16, 2020, 08:52:56 AM
So, again, which League (EFL 1, 2, National, NLNorth or NLSouth will run 1 x Team short due to BURY FC being expelled 2019-20 Season  :dontknow:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on June 16, 2020, 01:45:23 PM
So, again, which League (EFL 1, 2, National, NLNorth or NLSouth will run 1 x Team short due to BURY FC being expelled 2019-20 Season  :dontknow:

Nonleague did try to answer this on another thread and whilst nothing is certain due to COVID19, in all likelihood a Bury team will be placed somewhere in the pyramid so hopefully nowhere will be a team short this coming season (obviously there could yet be further casualties anywhere from Championship down creating other 'spaces' but that is a separate issue). 

EFL divisions 1 is sorted by relegating one less than division 2 are promoting, division 2 will relegate just one with two coming up from the NL (to be confirmed this week?).  The expectation is that Bury will be placed in NLN (think there will be resistance on them being placed any higher) in which case there will only be 1 (or 3) relegated from NL with 2 (or 4) promoted into the NL.  Coming down will be Chorley (and Ebbsfleet & Fylde) so someone from the NLN will probably be reallocated to the NLS to even up the numbers.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on June 16, 2020, 04:35:03 PM
Gracias Tony.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 16, 2020, 07:05:19 PM
I don’t know about anyone else but I’m suffering from withdrawal symptoms from not having a Stephen Cleeve podcast for, what is it now, 4 days?

Come on Stephen there must be something to report.   Having listened to a lot of them I must say the one that included Stephen trying to work out what the Majority of 32 was the highlight. :nilpoints: :laughcry:

In all seriousness during this time of lockdown any news on the Club is much appreciated.  A big Thank you Mr Chairman.   Get that chequebook ready for next season
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 17, 2020, 09:12:26 AM
Something taken from Chester website, which I found interesting:


Chester FC can confirm that on Monday evening we received an ordinary resolution from the National League outlining their proposal to end the 2019/20 season and resolve the outstanding promotion and relegation situation at Steps 1 and 2 of The FA National League System.


As several media sources have highlighted since its distribution, this resolution proposes adopting an unweighted points per game model to determine the league champions and qualification for the play-offs. It also removes relegation from the National League North and South as well as ensuring the National League comprises 24 clubs for the 2020/21 season.

The resolution presented to clubs on Thursday 11th June has been amended so that play-offs can be used to decide the second promotion place for National League North and South, subject to compliance with Government guidance.

Clubs have until 5pm on Wednesday 17th June to respond to the ordinary resolution. The National League has been clear that should it be passed, this resolution does not confirm the play-offs will take place or that clubs will participate, but will enable discussions to continue about whether the play-offs can be legally and safely completed.

As a club Chester FC aspires to play at the highest possible level and our ambition at the start of the 2019/20 season was to achieve a play-off place with the aim of returning to the National League.

We strongly believe in upholding the sporting integrity of competition and would relish the opportunity to complete the campaign on the pitch, however we are in the midst of an unprecedented crisis and the primary focus of the Board is to ensure the long-term financial security of the Club which will be paramount in our decision making.

Before any decision can be taken about whether the Club will participate in the play-offs, the Board will seek from the National League a full breakdown of the financial commitments and operational requirements for clubs, including testing, the duration of the play-offs which will dictate player costs, the availability of any financial support for clubs and any matchday costs clubs will be expected to meet given the joint liability in place for play-off fixtures.

Only once all of this information has been received will the Board be in a position to fully assess the financial implications associated with participating in the play-offs.

The Board wishes to reiterate to our supporters that we will not risk the long-term financial sustainability of the Club and as such we must be in receipt of the full facts to enable an informed decision to be made.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 17, 2020, 09:47:43 AM
Radical plan coming up that will probably be stamped on rather than adopted, but here it comes.  The York crowd of 4K showed just what potential KLT have to attract very impressive crowds when “big games” turn up.  If we are fortunate enough to have last season’s incredible effort rewarded with promotion, “big games” will be available on a regular basis.  There are supporters and neutrals who are obviously able to pay the relevant price basically once a fortnight, to watch a home game.  The money they pay must be budgeted into their general life expenditure, and they have not had that outlay in recent weeks and months.  Here’s the rub...  From now on, why couldn’t or wouldn’t a high proportion of regular supporters start paying their usual entrance fee, money they have already shown they can afford, and are usually willing to pay.  If the average outlay in normal times is, say, £15 Per fortnight, would those  supporters be willing to start putting that money again into the club, into a special fund and account, at the rate of £15 a fortnight, having set up (usually digitally) a payment system.  What a boost to the club, the Chairman, and players that input would be, with a likely excellent season to follow (eventually !).  Ironically, I don’t believe football should re-start until the virus is vanquished - but we could do this to build the club in a big way....   I’ll sit back for the brickbats !
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 17, 2020, 10:31:11 AM
Radical plan coming up that will probably be stamped on rather than adopted, but here it comes.  The York crowd of 4K showed just what potential KLT have to attract very impressive crowds when “big games” turn up.  If we are fortunate enough to have last season’s incredible effort rewarded with promotion, “big games” will be available on a regular basis.  There are supporters and neutrals who are obviously able to pay the relevant price basically once a fortnight, to watch a home game.  The money they pay must be budgeted into their general life expenditure, and they have not had that outlay in recent weeks and months.  Here’s the rub...  From now on, why couldn’t or wouldn’t a high proportion of regular supporters start paying their usual entrance fee, money they have already shown they can afford, and are usually willing to pay.  If the average outlay in normal times is, say, £15 Per fortnight, would those  supporters be willing to start putting that money again into the club, into a special fund and account, at the rate of £15 a fortnight, having set up (usually digitally) a payment system.  What a boost to the club, the Chairman, and players that input would be, with a likely excellent season to follow (eventually !).  Ironically, I don’t believe football should re-start until the virus is vanquished - but we could do this to build the club in a big way....   I’ll sit back for the brickbats !

Do we really need this? People can already donate through the War Chest initiative, although the minimum amount appears to be £20 if submitted on line.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 17, 2020, 10:40:38 AM
Fair comment, B & G.  The existing fund though, IMO, isn’t focused or likely to bring in regular donations.  I just feel that the “Admission” charge would make it regular and consistent.  BTW, I do appreciate that many people will feel the pinch, or even lose jobs in the current situation, but still perhaps many could do this...  ah well - each to their own opinion...
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on June 17, 2020, 10:47:11 AM
Radical plan coming up that will probably be stamped on rather than adopted, but here it comes.  The York crowd of 4K showed just what potential KLT have to attract very impressive crowds when “big games” turn up.  If we are fortunate enough to have last season’s incredible effort rewarded with promotion, “big games” will be available on a regular basis.  There are supporters and neutrals who are obviously able to pay the relevant price basically once a fortnight, to watch a home game.  The money they pay must be budgeted into their general life expenditure, and they have not had that outlay in recent weeks and months.  Here’s the rub...  From now on, why couldn’t or wouldn’t a high proportion of regular supporters start paying their usual entrance fee, money they have already shown they can afford, and are usually willing to pay.  If the average outlay in normal times is, say, £15 Per fortnight, would those  supporters be willing to start putting that money again into the club, into a special fund and account, at the rate of £15 a fortnight, having set up (usually digitally) a payment system.  What a boost to the club, the Chairman, and players that input would be, with a likely excellent season to follow (eventually !).  Ironically, I don’t believe football should re-start until the virus is vanquished - but we could do this to build the club in a big way....   I’ll sit back fo
r the brickbats !
  l have to say,had you thought that some of those people may well still be unable to return to work as yet, they will probably have taken a mortgage break, possibly even a credit card break,this money still has to be repaid, it's not given for nothing.  The idea is possibly good but there are many people who have been struggling for the past 3 months and donating money they maybe need to help catch up arrears accured are probably not the top of there list. Sorry to put a damper on the issue you raised,but hard facts are there for all to see at this moment in time.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 17, 2020, 11:31:22 AM
On the subject of Chester and ‘War Chests’. I see that Chester (supporters owned Club) have raised an impressive 26k in the opening week.   How much has Lynn’s appeal
Raised in its opening 3 weeks ?

What with Darlo and now Chester getting great support from their fans, are there lessons Stephen Cleeve can learn from this, or at least be prepared to learn from this ?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: westlynnmike on June 17, 2020, 01:40:48 PM
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/sport/football/national-league-told-plan-september-start-fans-allowed-stadiums-2882234
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 17, 2020, 02:12:52 PM
Yes, Dazza, I see your point entirely.  My idea was probably a bit wishful thinking, especially in the current circumstances, and those that could even be added when we try to build trade deals worldwide.  However, I do feel that fund-raising initiatives need to be focused by an aim, rather than just a final target, if they are to achieve consistent support and donations.  I do wish the current war chest success, but I haven’t yet contributed, although I shall do if that consistency becomes apparent.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on June 17, 2020, 02:21:16 PM
Radical plan coming up that will probably be stamped on rather than adopted, but here it comes.  The York crowd of 4K showed just what potential KLT have to attract very impressive crowds when “big games” turn up.  If we are fortunate enough to have last season’s incredible effort rewarded with promotion, “big games” will be available on a regular basis.  There are supporters and neutrals who are obviously able to pay the relevant price basically once a fortnight, to watch a home game.  The money they pay must be budgeted into their general life expenditure, and they have not had that outlay in recent weeks and months.  Here’s the rub...  From now on, why couldn’t or wouldn’t a high proportion of regular supporters start paying their usual entrance fee, money they have already shown they can afford, and are usually willing to pay.  If the average outlay in normal times is, say, £15 Per fortnight, would those  supporters be willing to start putting that money again into the club, into a special fund and account, at the rate of £15 a fortnight, having set up (usually digitally) a payment system.  What a boost to the club, the Chairman, and players that input would be, with a likely excellent season to follow (eventually !).  Ironically, I don’t believe football should re-start until the virus is vanquished - but we could do this to build the club in a big way....   I’ll sit back for the brickbats !

DD, appreciate the thought and as Mallard says under Trust run ownership (Chester / Darlington) this sort of thing has worked elsewhere - whether it is the mindset of the west Norfolk population or the current ownership model is open to debate but there doesn't seem to be the support for this sort of initiative at the club on any sort of scale. 

I really do think that we need the FotL to step into this role but this will also need buy in from both the fan base and the current owner.  FotL had a number of fundraising schemes last season that had 'patchy' uptake so I guess we have to wait and see what they come up with for next season and whether the fans will find one to really get behind.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 17, 2020, 04:42:19 PM
Thanks for the inputs.  Yes, I do appreciate the problems that could arise, either through a degree of apathy, or from the point of personal financial circumstances.  However, to simplify the idea, and to make support and donations consistent, I’m basically suggesting £7.50 a week from those in a position to donate, AND provide such a high level of football when possible...  Just for fun, if the York crowd was 4,000, and we get promoted which may attract say half that crowd, and the “behind closed doors” continues for, say a year, we would have £7.50 x 2,000 x 52 weeks = £780,000 !!  That would all have gone in the war chest.  So, are there 2,000 out there who would love to see National League top level football who would be willing and able to set-up and pay £7.50 a week for a year to do it ?  It’s a couple of pints and a coffee a week !!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on June 17, 2020, 05:17:32 PM
DD, given that our average attendance this year was 1417, I think finding 2000 people to pay £7.50 for something they wouldn't see (in your scenario) is pie in the sky.  Looking at the existing supporter base, the reality is that the FotL '12th man' had less that 20 members (think it was 12 or 13) willing to pay £5 per win (so not even every game). 

Much as it would be great to think otherwise, the York game was a one off and if we could average 1500-1600 in NL next year (assuming we are in the lower half) I think that should be seen as a success, personally for budgeting purposes I would be expecting less than that as I think the crowds this year were boosted by a team doing well rather than supressed by being at NLN rather than NL level. 
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 17, 2020, 05:45:08 PM
IMHO. All bets are off with regard to crowds next season.   Come October when all the Furlough support for business is finished we could end up with unemployment figures at unprecedented levels.  I  Think those people who are out of work will have more important things to spend their money on than £20 plus at The at the Walks.   It might also have an adverse affect on travelling support as well.

My hope is that with players being paid 30% less ( SC’s words) that the savings will go to support those Lynn fans who cannot afford the £20 admission fee.   Let’s try and make it affordable for all.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: somerset linnet on June 17, 2020, 06:16:43 PM
When do we actually get the result from the NL. :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 17, 2020, 06:27:56 PM
Yes, I do agree that unemployment etc will have a major impact, so I certainly understand Mallard’s point that people in that unfortunate position will not have football expenditure as a priority.  However, I think the crowd estimate of something like 1500 is rather pessimistic, as, should we gain the promotion, most games will be as attractive as the York game last season.  As for not paying the price of 2 pints and a coffee per week to acquire and thrive in the top non-league in the country - IF, and only if people’s finances had improved in a year’s time, it would show we aren’t up to the level to which we aspire...
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 17, 2020, 06:47:55 PM
Dilly an interesting comparison would be season 08/09 when we won the Southern Prem and compare the average League attendance to the following season when we were bottom half in National League North.

Admin do you have those figures ?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: macfleetwood1 on June 17, 2020, 07:09:24 PM
We are the champions!
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on June 17, 2020, 07:10:37 PM
We are the champions!

Not quite yet, needs ratification.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: admin on June 17, 2020, 07:13:26 PM
Dilly an interesting comparison would be season 08/09 when we won the Southern Prem and compare the average League attendance to the following season when we were bottom half in National League North.

Admin do you have those figures ?
Average league attendance 07-08 when we won the Southern Prem 1148
the following season 986
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 18, 2020, 12:18:37 PM
Thanks Admin - but that wasn’t to the same level of opposition we’ve now reached.  The war chest needs a focus or it will just dwindle to a halt IMO.  This is surely the time to galvanise people, at least those who could afford to donate the price of 2 pints and a coffee once a week, even in this era. 
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 18, 2020, 03:56:42 PM
Fair comment, B & G.  The existing fund though, IMO, isn’t focused or likely to bring in regular donations.  I just feel that the “Admission” charge would make it regular and consistent.  BTW, I do appreciate that many people will feel the pinch, or even lose jobs in the current situation, but still perhaps many could do this...  ah well - each to their own opinion...

Everything should be considered. You won't know until you try.

Although I have doubts it would work, you should go for it. I'm sure nobody will have any problems if you use this website to promote it.

Good luck with it and keep us up to date with its progress.

 :scarf:

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 18, 2020, 04:08:12 PM
Yes go for it Dilly.  Even if you only raises 5k, that’s 5k less that the Chairman has to find.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on June 18, 2020, 05:37:51 PM
Without having a 'pop' at DD's idea, I would disagree with B&G and Mallard in saying 'go for it'.  We (KLTFC supporters) are far too disjointed as it is without anyone and everyone setting up their own fundraising schemes, however well intentioned.  All fundraising should fall within the MO of the two existing groups - Trust (long term funding), FotL (current funding). 

Anyone doing their own thing will be doing so without any checks and balances in place and like the guy who ran his own bus for an away trip that ended in tears, also has the potential to do harm to the reputation of supporter fundraising and / or the club were anything to go wrong.  I would reiterate that I am not saying that would be this case in this instance as I have no idea DD personally but the Trust and FotL have constitutions for a reason.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: macfleetwood1 on June 18, 2020, 05:47:16 PM
If ever there was a time, it's now, let all fund  raising sections within the club start pulling together, let's not make this a one season wonder, come on, love each other, 1 league away from the football league.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 18, 2020, 05:52:15 PM
It’s already there.  The War chest.  My suggestion is only a way, at least as I see it, of getting consistent donations into it.  Perhaps the War chest admins could set it up, if they’re interested.  It’s not a replacement, but a way of finding 2,000 people who want us to really compete next season, and can afford to pay 7.50 per week into the war chest.  How do people pay into it now ?  Direct Debit account would need setting up, but, to be honest, it’s beyond me  these days !  But just to “enthuse”, if it got set up, the exciting (but prob optimistic) maths are ...  £7.50 x 2,000 x 52 weeks = £780,000 !  I know throughout the club’s history 2,000 donors would be a pipe dream, but we could have a lot more people interested now, in our untapped catchment area....
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 18, 2020, 06:26:59 PM
Advert s in the Lynn News AND EDP ?  I’ll shut up now, but I think that excellent catchment area must now be tapped, & not just our current regulars.....
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 18, 2020, 06:33:47 PM
Without having a 'pop' at DD's idea, I would disagree with B&G and Mallard in saying 'go for it'.  We (KLTFC supporters) are far too disjointed as it is without anyone and everyone setting up their own fundraising schemes, however well intentioned.  All fundraising should fall within the MO of the two existing groups - Trust (long term funding), FotL (current funding). 

Anyone doing their own thing will be doing so without any checks and balances in place and like the guy who ran his own bus for an away trip that ended in tears, also has the potential to do harm to the reputation of supporter fundraising and / or the club were anything to go wrong.  I would reiterate that I am not saying that would be this case in this instance as I have no idea DD personally but the Trust and FotL have constitutions for a reason.


I don't think the Chairman, and at the end of the day everything comes down to his decision, would agree with you on this one.

If he was thinking along those lines, surely he would have had fotl involved in war chest campaign.

If someone wants to attempt to raise money for the club, but for some reason does not want to be a Trust or fotl member, or to have any involvement with them, I can't see why this should stop them from doing so.

This does not mean that the individuals involved should not be checked though.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 18, 2020, 06:51:08 PM
Why would proper checks need to be carried out ?

The FA deem that below step one owners don’t need to be checked out before taking on a club so why would you want fans checked out ?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 18, 2020, 06:55:23 PM
The guy who organised the bus trip was doing what he thought was something for the fans.  Ok it was poorly organised etc.  Least he had a go.   Is he still banned from the Club, or has he now served his suspension ?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 18, 2020, 07:50:30 PM
Why would proper checks need to be carried out ?

The FA deem that below step one owners don’t need to be checked out before taking on a club so why would you want fans checked out ?

 :laughcry:

Good point!

 :laughcry:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 18, 2020, 11:42:33 PM
OK, I can see all the snags brought up by others, and, coupled with the fact that I have neither the time nor the energy to carry it out myself, It is just a suggestion to those already helping the club with efforts like the war chest and ground improvement initiative.  Just two points to conclude the suggestion.......  One, we have for the first time, potentially a catchment area with no other pro-clubs with a league level capable of attracting  people who don’t usually or ever come to The Walks, and , Two, only a focused system is likely to pull in the regular donations needed for the initiatives to succeed.    Bye !!   Finally, more congratulations to everyone involved in pushing the club on, from the Chairman down.  Magnificent achievement......
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: m a hill on June 19, 2020, 04:45:50 AM
There are already a way to  raise money in operation ,the twelve man which only had 12 people taking part and TFOTl ,the membership is party to say what surporters we have .i would welcome any new ideas to raise money to help run our great club
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 19, 2020, 08:31:06 AM
It is a bit of a recurring theme at Lynn to see things very much under supportered.

Hill mentions the 12th man scheme  Poor result

50/50 draw.  When you look at the numbers coming through the gate and also look at what other clubs raise per head of the gate...... Again not great

Sponsor a seat idea ...... Don’t think the take up of this was anything other than poor.

War chest fund.....,  no idea of the figures but again compared to other clubs.... nowhere near good enough.

Sponsor a square on the pitch ...... was this a sell out ?

Crowd funding. When lockdown accrued.... response,  limited I would say to be kind.

Why??
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Non League on June 19, 2020, 08:49:48 AM
If ever there was a time, it's now, let all fund  raising sections within the club start pulling together, let's not make this a one season wonder, come on, love each other, 1 league away from the football league.

I agree, but not in the sense of looking for promtion. Now is the time for everyone, fans and local businesses, to back King's Lynn because with the management team they've got and players, they can establish themselves as a National League club.

Everyone needs to look long term, and if King's Lynn spend say 3 years floating 10th-18th in the National League, that would absolutely amazing. Because you have to remember 1) where the club has come from, and 2) who they're competing with. A quick rise and you need establishing so attendances become consistently stable at a certain number. You are also competing against loads of ex football league clubs, whom will have bigger resources and better catchment areas.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: KES80 on June 19, 2020, 08:51:10 AM
Within the club, there must be someone who knows someone who has a business that could make KLTFC face masks.....say blue background, gold crest on front. These are now becoming mandatory. I have just bought  a different design one on line, 2 layers of cotton with polypropylene filter. All washable, came with 4 filters,  free delivery. Cost £7.50. The person is obviously making a profit at that price.

If club charged £9.99, could make £4/5 per mask and sell a few thousand of them...got to be worth looking at.......IMO Mall many of the fans don't have huge disposable income, would like to help the club out, but want something tangible for their outlay
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: dillydilly on June 19, 2020, 09:51:00 AM
I agree with Non League in general, apart from his opinion that other clubs have better catchment areas.  I don’t think there are many better catchment areas in the country.  More populated areas also have more choice of clubs and games, which couldn’t be any help to the smaller clubs.  However, our area has something like 120,000 people with no other pro clubs for almost 40 miles, and more. If we draw a circle around the area in question , it would roughly encompass a map of Hunstanton and the NN coast, Fakenham, Swaffham, (even Dereham), Wisbech, KL, and back to Hunstanton - plus all the dozens of villages within that area.  That’s a lot of football fans nearly all of whom have never considered going to The Walks because they’re not attracted to the level.....   perhaps until now !  All financial initiatives must include that circle from now, and not just those people who already go to games.  It wouldn’t disrespect or steal from the smaller semi-pro clubs mentioned, because fixture congestion could be deliberately avoided. ..... That’s me for the day- too much mouth !! 
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: TonyM on June 19, 2020, 05:03:36 PM
Seems someone was listening DD, you (and anyone else wanting to) can now pay monthly into the War Chest

https://www.kltown.co.uk/single-post/2020/06/19/Monthly-Walks-War-Chest-Donation
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: m a hill on June 19, 2020, 05:55:59 PM
Looking at the schemes we have running at the moment the Duck is right they are all pretty poor our fans need to look at what they want out of their club and what they can do to help
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 19, 2020, 06:58:39 PM
Not often we agree Hill.  Is it FOTL who are running all these fund raising schemes ?  If so maybe they need to have a rethink on how best to improve the offering. 

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: m a hill on June 19, 2020, 08:26:26 PM
I couldn’t agree more ,there needs new incentives on how to raise money and new blood is needed to come up with ways of doing it
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 19, 2020, 08:56:55 PM
 When the club previously had an independent supporters club, they used to raise an incredible amount of money.

Nothing has come anywhere near it since.

Not sure if you will get the new blood you suggest under the current arrangement though.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 19, 2020, 09:10:40 PM

Yes, remember those days and the money raised. If Club wants funds such as Darlo and others raised, maybe they should revisit the successful model used previously rather than the one currently in place which looks sadly lacking.  So maybe a combination of new blood with fresh ideas and enthusiasm coupled together with people like Gordon Chilvers from the past.   There was someone who not only talked the talk but walked the walk.

Now we have a full time Commercial Manager, Mark is in a perfect position to pull in the right people who could help him take the Club forward in a constructed and organised way.

Then I’m sure Stephen Cleeve would already be onto this with Mark. 

Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 19, 2020, 09:24:01 PM
Remember the end of season Marquee night?

Not only a fantastic event and a chance for the Supporters and players to get together, but I understand a great fundraiser in itself. The icing on the cake!

I know there’s people that come on this forum that used to be involved. Anyone willing to talk figures so the powers that be can see what they are potentially missing out on?
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: kenny r on June 19, 2020, 10:00:03 PM
I think a figure of £14 grand was mentioned one year: raised from the sporting dinner with guest speaker on the Friday evening and a Northern Soul dance on the Saturday.

The marquee was then used for the end of season function on Sunday lunchtime
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: m a hill on June 19, 2020, 10:24:34 PM
Well it seems we have started the ball rolling on ideas keep them coming in ,your club needs your support
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 19, 2020, 10:38:59 PM
I think a figure of £14 grand was mentioned one year: raised from the sporting dinner with guest speaker on the Friday evening and a Northern Soul dance on the Saturday.

The marquee was then used for the end of season function on Sunday lunchtime

Thanks Kenny.

14k over one weekend. About 20k in today's money.

Not bad for supporters that have apparently recently been described as Dinosaurs!   :laughcry:

 :scarf:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on June 19, 2020, 10:50:46 PM
I couldn’t agree more ,there needs new incentives on how to raise money and new blood is needed to come up with ways of doing it

Over to you Grissles.  :countingmoney:
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: kenny r on June 19, 2020, 11:38:03 PM
I want to be the one eyed dinosaur ' Do-you-think-he-saw-us '.

But on a serious note, there is a wealth of talent and experience out there waiting to be given the chance to be involved with fundraising BUT if the owner doesn't want to let people in then it ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: The big vote
Post by: Mallard on June 20, 2020, 08:23:41 AM
I think a figure of £14 grand was mentioned one year: raised from the sporting dinner with guest speaker on the Friday evening and a Northern Soul dance on the Saturday.

The marquee was then used for the end of season function on Sunday lunchtime

Thanks Kenny.

14k over one weekend. About 20k in today's money.

Not bad for supporters that have apparently recently been described as Dinosaurs!   :laughcry:

 :scarf:

If you factor in SC’s philosophy of never knowingly undersold.   Then that 20k would be much more.  Admission, Food, Drink etc  :countingmoney: