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Title: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 02, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/walks-war-chest-scheme-launched-to-boost-linnets-playing-budget-9111806/
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: wack on June 02, 2020, 01:02:38 PM
Thanks b&g I just can't seem to link these things to the forum using chromebook.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 02, 2020, 01:19:37 PM
Thanks b&g I just can't seem to link these things to the forum using chromebook.

 :clap:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: TonyM on June 02, 2020, 01:51:53 PM
Personally I think this is a strange move at a strange time, there is so much uncertainty that making plans about budgets seems very premature, in addition looking at the club's retained list (some of whom are on two year deals) I really don't understand what we are planning for.

I see the press release refers to Darlington (a fan owned club?) who have raised a fantastic amount of money over the years including during the COVID lockdown.  Again we seem to be wanting to run before we can walk - seeing something that has worked elsewhere without really understanding it - this sort of fundraising doesn't come overnight, relationships need to be built and trust developed and for me this should all come under the FotL to be the 'face' of fans fundraising for things like the playing squad budget.

Sorry, this post isn't meant to be negative and I genuinely believe that the only way forward for non-league clubs is for fans to be far, far more involved and that includes those that can, sticking their hands in their pockets a bit more but it can't just be a case of writing a press release saying we have set a target of £50K and waiting for the money to come rolling in
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 02, 2020, 02:01:28 PM
Personally I think this is a strange move at a strange time, there is so much uncertainty that making plans about budgets seems very premature, in addition looking at the club's retained list (some of whom are on two year deals) I really don't understand what we are planning for.

I see the press release refers to Darlington (a fan owned club?) who have raised a fantastic amount of money over the years including during the COVID lockdown.  Again we seem to be wanting to run before we can walk - seeing something that has worked elsewhere without really understanding it - this sort of fundraising doesn't come overnight, relationships need to be built and trust developed and for me this should all come under the FotL to be the 'face' of fans fundraising for things like the playing squad budget.

Sorry, this post isn't meant to be negative and I genuinely believe that the only way forward for non-league clubs is for fans to be far, far more involved and that includes those that can, sticking their hands in their pockets a bit more but it can't just be a case of writing a press release saying we have set a target of £50K and waiting for the money to come rolling in

Very good post again Tony.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: m a hill on June 02, 2020, 07:56:42 PM
Well if we want the club to move forward and keep better players coming in to strengthen the squad then to me it sounds a sound move ,and I will be surporting it with a donation
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Mallard on June 02, 2020, 08:42:30 PM
If the Chairman needs to raise some cash then why not offer an Individual (s) or the Trust equity in the Club in exchange for the 50k.   Or is he know expecting the fans of the club to further sponsor his hobby of running a Football Club.

Darlington a fan owned club were set a target of raising a 100k (A third of next seasons budget) in the month of May.  They did it with a week to spare. With 500 fans contributing.

Not sure what Darloís average gate is but I wouldnít think itís much different to Lynnís.    Will be interesting to see if Mr Cleeve has the same level of support as an individual owner compared to a fan owned Club.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: m a hill on June 02, 2020, 08:53:41 PM
I guess you wonít be supporting the idea of the War chest with a donation then Mallard ,well that doesnít surprise
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 02, 2020, 09:04:57 PM
Using the term War chest has just reminded me of something from a few years ago.

Does anyone know what happened to the war chest that certain people use to claim Buster was supposed to be building when he was at the Club?

If it ever existed as some claimed, did he leave it behind when he sold the Club?
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Mallard on June 02, 2020, 09:05:24 PM
No MA I wonít be indulging Mr Cleeve in his hobby.  He has decided he wants to run the Club on a sole basis.   So Iím quite happy to let him .  His choice, but it seems he wants it both ways.  He could very quickly raise 50k or even 100k.   Individuals or even that Nasty Trust could buy into the club.   Rather than yet another begging bowl being put out.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 02, 2020, 09:10:46 PM
I sort of agree with that Mallard.

If someone states "I work best alone", why not let him?

Apart from that, I can think of much better causes to give my money to at the moment, than someone's wholly owned Limited Company.

Each to his own though!
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on June 02, 2020, 10:58:46 PM
If Mr Cleeve wants to copy supporter owned clubs, why not copy one, which last season set a weekly team budget of under £3k. Recruited a squad of hungry young players, who reached 2nd place in their league and turned the clubs finances round. Resulting in a monthly surplus being made, until covid reared its head.  Who's supporters were happy to have a team to watch, with anything else a bonus. Can't see this happening at Lynn can you?

Mentioning Darlington, Gateshead etc is just an attempt to make the appeal for cash, more acceptable to more people.  The figures speak for themselves. Supporters who own, or have a say in the running of their club, are more generous when funds are needed. Take FCUM.  £15k Crowdfunder for pitch improvements, target reached in 2 days, with £32k raised in a month when it ended.
   
I think the target has been set to high, given that the other appeals since lockdown started, appear to have only reached £5k. There's no harm in asking, but most Linnets have short arms & long pockets.  :countingmoney:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: TonyM on June 03, 2020, 08:30:52 AM
Well if we want the club to move forward and keep better players coming in to strengthen the squad then to me it sounds a sound move ,and I will be surporting it with a donation

MAH, any thoughts on why this isn't a FotL initiative?
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: m a hill on June 03, 2020, 08:33:10 AM
Not those who want the team to succeed they have long arms and short pockets
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: m a hill on June 03, 2020, 08:36:26 AM
Only thoughts I have on why I canít say. Maybe it should have been.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 03, 2020, 09:16:55 AM
MAH, any thoughts on why this isn't a FotL initiative?


Only thoughts I have on why I canít say. Maybe it should have been.

 :dontknow:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 03, 2020, 09:23:33 AM
MAH, any thoughts on why this isn't a FotL initiative?


Only thoughts I have on why I canít say. Maybe it should have been.

 :dontknow:

Tony.

Maybe, for their own reasons, the FOTL choose not to be involved in this.

 :dontknow:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Dilligaf on June 03, 2020, 11:22:45 AM
Not those who want the team to succeed they have long arms and short pockets


Everybody who pays for a ticket to go watch wants the team to succeed....everybody who walks through the gate after parting with their hard earned money wants the team to succeed. Just because some dont agree with chucking more into the "begging bowl" doesn't make them any less a supporter
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 03, 2020, 11:38:20 AM
Not those who want the team to succeed they have long arms and short pockets

Maybe some peoples arms are only long enough to find what they have in their pockets,for some people just getting in and a cup of tea is all they can manage! Everyone is an individual with individual needs and resources,if you have the spare cash to put into the various fundraisers run by the club then fair play,but please don't belittle those less fortunate! :argue:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: TonyM on June 03, 2020, 01:29:56 PM
Only thoughts I have on why I canít say. Maybe it should have been.

Sorry, didn't mean to put you on the spot and appreciate the FotL committee will make decisions which all individuals on the committee need to stand behind otherwise it would be chaos.  As for the length of people's arms / pockets I think that goes back to my original comment that this sort of fundraising isn't something that can be switched on like a tap, generally there needs to be an awful lot of work put in for, in all likelihood, relatively little reward before you get to a 'Darlington' situation where I guess they have a number of fans who 'expect' to dip their hands in their pockets every year.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: TonyM on June 03, 2020, 01:33:52 PM
Using the term War chest has just reminded me of something from a few years ago.

Does anyone know what happened to the war chest that certain people use to claim Buster was supposed to be building when he was at the Club?

If it ever existed as some claimed, did he leave it behind when he sold the Club?

Maybe that's why we keep digging the pitch up every off season - SC found a map with an X on it but hasn't located Captain Buster's "lost treasure" yet (now where is that pirate emoji?)
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 03, 2020, 01:38:16 PM


Maybe that's why we keep digging the pitch up every off season

And that of course, is a another completely different story!
 :scarf:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: m a hill on June 03, 2020, 04:07:32 PM
I maybe wrong but I think this is the first time that all of the pitch has been dug up , itís been tinkered with with extra drainage put in ,but never completely dug up
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 03, 2020, 05:25:00 PM
I maybe wrong but I think this is the first time that all of the pitch has been dug up , itís been tinkered with with extra drainage put in ,but never completely dug up

I'm sure you correct on that one, but its not what we have previously been informed.

Personally, I would not be surprised if more money has been spent on the pitch in the short time the current Chairman has been here, than in the previous 15 years (plus). That's despite what has previously been said prior to his arrival.

That's unless it was actually done previously as claimed, maybe using the previously mentioned War Chest to fund it!

 :dontknow:

Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Richard on June 03, 2020, 07:15:36 PM
I maybe wrong but I think this is the first time that all of the pitch has been dug up, itís been tinkered with with extra drainage put in ,but never completely dug up
I thought the pitch was dug up during the summer of 1989 which resulted in Lynn playing their first four league games away.
The friendly against Nottingham Forest that season was said to mark the achievement of the ground improvements.
I could be wrong, but if it was tinkering it was pretty serious stuff.

At some time in the past, and I have yet to find out when, the pitch was levelled. Some of the early match reports describe Lynn as playing down the slope. I assume towards the Seven Sisters end.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 03, 2020, 09:20:53 PM
https://scontent.fltn1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/44990464_10212695415921654_3724940718238597120_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=8XVGR_USr-4AX_xREnI&_nc_ht=scontent.fltn1-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=870f178da2c78e889265caada06010d8&oe=5EFF01D4

My ex brother in law,I think it was about 89.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Mallard on June 05, 2020, 05:25:16 PM
Just had a listen to some of Mr Cleeves latest podcasts.

In a previous podcast he stated the players wages would be around 20-30% less next season.  Now he is saying the fans need to raise 50k to keep Adam Marriott at the club.

Anyone care to try and shed any light on that ?

Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: gs50 on June 05, 2020, 07:03:19 PM
That's one hell of a signing on fee.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Loopy,linnet on June 06, 2020, 10:04:32 AM
People will support the war chest ,only members of trust wonít who would happily see Cleese fail ,I honestly hope trust never get their greedy grubby hands on the club ,Cleese reaches out for support ,trust want shares greed
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Non League on June 06, 2020, 10:23:50 AM
Just had a listen to some of Mr Cleeves latest podcasts.

In a previous podcast he stated the players wages would be around 20-30% less next season.  Now he is saying the fans need to raise 50k to keep Adam Marriott at the club.

Anyone care to try and shed any light on that ?

Giving his exploits last season, I would say he could easily get £800 - £1k pw next season at a Step 1 club, which would be around the £50k+ mark.

Question in response would be, is it worth matching close to that to keep him? Or spend it on likely two players?
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: KES80 on June 06, 2020, 12:44:01 PM
In all likelihood, there may well be a very useful forward who suddenly becomes surplus to requirements much higher up the pyramid, who offers better value
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 06, 2020, 01:14:21 PM
Just had a listen to some of Mr Cleeves latest podcasts.

In a previous podcast he stated the players wages would be around 20-30% less next season.  Now he is saying the fans need to raise 50k to keep Adam Marriott at the club.

Anyone care to try and shed any light on that ?

Giving his exploits last season, I would say he could easily get £800 - £1k pw next season at a Step 1 club, which would be around the £50k+ mark.

Question in response would be, is it worth matching close to that to keep him? Or spend it on likely two players?

Even in the "new normal"?

Maybe, but personally wouldn't be quite so sure on that one. I doubt it will be as easy to command that sort of wages as it has been previously.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: FenRam on June 06, 2020, 01:50:07 PM
I think Marriot works for the family business (Star Transport) in Brandon so I would be surprised if he would want to go to far for his football
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Mallard on June 06, 2020, 05:28:19 PM
Think Star are based in Thetford, Ram.  If Marriot things he is worth more than we can afford then good luck to him.  Thank him for last season and wish him well.  Surely then Mr Cleeve isnt prepared to be Held to ransom by one player, and then pass it on to the fans.

Itís the business model that needs to play catch up at the club.   Darlington is a fan owned club and those fans have raised around 1.5m in the last 8 years to support the club THEY OWN.   Lynn is not based or run on the same MO as that.   If SC needs to raise cash quickly to tempt Marriott to stay then sell a bit of the club.  Not difficult is it.

With the latest Ďideaí if the 50k target isnít met and Marriott plies  his trade elsewhere, is it then going to be the fans fault ?
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 06, 2020, 05:47:32 PM
I think Marriot works for the family business (Star Transport) in Brandon so I would be surprised if he would want to go to far for his football

If Marriots ambition is to play league football, I can't see him being too bothered about staying close to Brandon/Thetford.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on June 06, 2020, 08:59:05 PM
People will support the war chest ,only members of trust wonít who would happily see Cleese fail ,I honestly hope trust never get their greedy grubby hands on the club ,Cleese reaches out for support ,trust want shares greed

Do you mean John Cleese AKA Basil Fawlty?   :laughcry:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: m a hill on June 06, 2020, 09:31:02 PM
What ever he gets he is worth every penny
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: macfleetwood1 on June 08, 2020, 04:35:37 PM
We have not taken any notice of what's going on around us. Clubs are or will be going under, Many have over spent, has not time come when sensible wages need to be paid, and not success at all costs?
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 08, 2020, 04:53:09 PM
We have not taken any notice of what's going on around us. Clubs are or will be going under, Many have over spent, has not time come when sensible wages need to be paid, and not success at all costs?

Very much so.

 :scarf:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: somerset linnet on June 08, 2020, 05:50:42 PM
Can anyone shed any light on the pitch grant the linnets have received. As stated by the club on Facebook this evening. :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: admin on June 08, 2020, 06:14:58 PM
https://footballfoundation.org.uk/grant/pitch-preparation-fund
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Dilligaf on June 08, 2020, 09:19:32 PM
Can anyone shed any light on the pitch grant the linnets have received. As stated by the club on Facebook this evening. :scarf: :scarf:

According to chairmans podcast £1500
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: somerset linnet on June 09, 2020, 03:37:10 PM
Thanks Admin and Dilligaf.  :clap:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: maidstone baz on June 11, 2020, 04:24:30 AM
At the end of the day we all have a choice, if you want to donate to the appeal you can if you dont want to you dont. i did simply because i had put money aside for the home games which didnt take place so i donated some of that money to the war chest.
As for maz staying or going, in the current climate money will be tight for most second division clubs and for national league clubs and in my time with maidstone some 30 years i found that the difference in wages at the full-time clubs was very much the same which was the main reason that alot of players stay part-time with a working wage and their football money topping up that wage, so maz may find staying part-time is a better option.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 11, 2020, 08:58:45 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/championship-clubs-told-to-introduce-salary-cap-urgently-after-staggering-%c2%a3350m-loss-revealed/ar-BB15kkrL
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: somerset linnet on June 11, 2020, 10:44:11 AM
Interesting read B&G. It seems logical but will any of the clubs take it onboard,I sincerely hope they do.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 11, 2020, 12:03:18 PM
Interesting read B&G. It seems logical but will any of the clubs take it onboard,I sincerely hope they do.

Well, as we know, its not just The Championship and EFL that this applies to.

Common sense....................you can't spend more than you earn (well, not forever).
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: KES80 on June 25, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
Is there a running total somewhere ?
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 25, 2020, 05:16:15 PM
Is there a running total somewhere ?

I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was a plan to show a running total. There may be one out there somewhere but Ive not seen one.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: somerset linnet on June 25, 2020, 05:49:55 PM
I would like to donate on a monthly basis, but not until I know that there will be a full and transparent remit as to where the money is going.  :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: TonyM on June 25, 2020, 05:57:01 PM
I would like to donate on a monthly basis, but not until I know that there will be a full and transparent remit as to where the money is going.  :scarf: :scarf:

I think there may be a few of us in that position SL, that is why I have suggested the War Chest (and any fan contribution fundraising) should be a FotL campaign - the club would still get the cash (as that is the whole MO of the FotL) but it would then be clearly reported, as a minimum, at the Friends AGM and any questions about (any) scheme's operation could be brought up at the AGM and at £5 membership isn't financially prohibitive.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 25, 2020, 09:01:58 PM
I would like to donate on a monthly basis, but not until I know that there will be a full and transparent remit as to where the money is going.  :scarf: :scarf:

I think there may be a few of us in that position SL, that is why I have suggested the War Chest (and any fan contribution fundraising) should be a FotL campaign - the club would still get the cash (as that is the whole MO of the FotL) but it would then be clearly reported, as a minimum, at the Friends AGM and any questions about (any) scheme's operation could be brought up at the AGM and at £5 membership isn't financially prohibitive.


I have mentioned previously thar maybe they put the price of membership up to £10,and become a social club. :dontknow:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: TonyM on June 25, 2020, 11:14:37 PM
I would like to donate on a monthly basis, but not until I know that there will be a full and transparent remit as to where the money is going.  :scarf: :scarf:

I think there may be a few of us in that position SL, that is why I have suggested the War Chest (and any fan contribution fundraising) should be a FotL campaign - the club would still get the cash (as that is the whole MO of the FotL) but it would then be clearly reported, as a minimum, at the Friends AGM and any questions about (any) scheme's operation could be brought up at the AGM and at £5 membership isn't financially prohibitive.


I have mentioned previously thar maybe they put the price of membership up to £10,and become a social club. :dontknow:

Griss, sorry but I don't understand the logic of changing the FotL from it's current format - everyone know what it is there to do and whilst there may be differing opinions about how well it achieves its aims, those aims are reasonably well understood - what would a 'social club' do?  Personally if the FotL moved away from it's stated aims of co-ordinating supporters to help raise revenue funds for the football club then I probably wouldn't renew my membership.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 26, 2020, 02:31:36 AM
I would like to donate on a monthly basis, but not until I know that there will be a full and transparent remit as to where the money is going.  :scarf: :scarf:

I think there may be a few of us in that position SL, that is why I have suggested the War Chest (and any fan contribution fundraising) should be a FotL campaign - the club would still get the cash (as that is the whole MO of the FotL) but it would then be clearly reported, as a minimum, at the Friends AGM and any questions about (any) scheme's operation could be brought up at the AGM and at £5 membership isn't financially prohibitive.


I have mentioned previously thar maybe they put the price of membership up to £10,and become a social club. :dontknow:

Griss, sorry but I don't understand the logic of changing the FotL from it's current format - everyone know what it is there to do and whilst there may be differing opinions about how well it achieves its aims, those aims are reasonably well understood - what would a 'social club' do?  Personally if the FotL moved away from it's stated aims of co-ordinating supporters to help raise revenue funds for the football club then I probably wouldn't renew my membership.

As we are a far bigger team than when the FOTL was brought in to being,and I feel it needs to grow with the club? And a way to do that would be to increase the size of the committee slightly,raise subs to £10 a year,form a sub committee to organise social club events? :dontknow: :scarf:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: TonyM on June 26, 2020, 01:47:27 PM
As we are a far bigger team than when the FOTL was brought in to being,and I feel it needs to grow with the club? And a way to do that would be to increase the size of the committee slightly,raise subs to £10 a year,form a sub committee to organise social club events? :dontknow: :scarf:

No problem with the idea of a FotL sub-committee to run some social event fundraisers so long as it compliments / doesn't distract from their main activity.  Not sure on numbers or who is on the FotL committee but certainly something that could be brought up at the AGM.  Don't really see the need to increase the subs - keep it as accessible as possible imo and allow those that are willing to contribute a bit more, through 12th man, pitch squares, 100 club, to do so.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: m a hill on June 26, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
The membership of the fotl  for a club our size is pathetic we need to attract more members to join the F O T L we need a drive to recruit more members
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 27, 2020, 02:36:55 PM
The membership of the fotl  for a club our size is pathetic we need to attract more members to join the F O T L we need a drive to recruit more members


Soon be time for the AGM won't it, maybe some ideas could be thrown around there, after the members meeting perhaps non members could come in,and chat? Also throw a few more pennies behind the bar? :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: bobbyskins on June 27, 2020, 04:15:52 PM
Would it be possible to make it so could join online rather than download a form and post it. A lot more would probably join if it was easier.
Title: Re: War Chest appeal.
Post by: Grissles Oleary on June 27, 2020, 06:31:12 PM
Would it be possible to make it so could join online rather than download a form and post it. A lot more would probably join if it was easier.

Maybe contact one of the committee members through the facebook page?
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