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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: kenny r on June 19, 2020, 08:29:56 PM

Title: Next season start date
Post by: kenny r on June 19, 2020, 08:29:56 PM
I read an item today which suggested that Sept 5th or 12th is being tentatively considered as a restart date for step 6 and above. There was no mention of whether supporters will be allowed into grounds at that time.
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: admin on June 19, 2020, 11:13:59 PM
Firstly the FA produced a series of slides for their presentation which they have said will be emailed out later today. The meeting obviously went into more details than the slides and each league was able to ask a question. Summarising the main points:
THIS SUMMER Even if a league at a higher step has a vacancy caused by a club folding or requesting voluntary relegation, NO Promotion will occur and that league will run short.The FA will look at applications to enter the pyramid to fill a vacancy (AFC Bury and Isle
of Mann were only ones mentioned).
FUNDING The FA National Game have had a 38% cut in funding. This will impact all NLS leagues who will no longer receive FA Development funding, but they will still receive Administration grants at current level.FA Vase prize money will be reduced by approx 6%
COMPETITIONS It is the FA’s ambition still to run the FA Cup & FA Vase in full, BUT that may not be possible and certainly with the FA Cup they are contractually bound to have the FA Cup 3rd Rd on the opening weekend of January, so the dates and numbers of earlier rounds may be affected by that. The non-league final day at Wembley is subject to the FA calendar given that Euro 2020 matches now have to fit into 2021. Consideration is being given to do away with Replays in both Cup & Vase to aid fitting in league fixtures. If the season does not start in August then League and County Cups cannot be run in the traditional formats during the league playing season, but possible that new ways could be found to run Cups.
RESTARTING NLS FOOTBALL The FA stated that NLS will only re-start when the Dept of Media, Culture & Sport (DCMS) gives approval AND subject to any conditions that the DCMS makes. Games cannot re-start at Steps 1 to 7 of the NLS without spectators, AND ALL STEPS ARE TIED TOGETHER on a restart date (eg Step 6 cannot start whilst Step 3 is not allowed and vice versa) Football BELOW Step 7 where no admission is taken may start on a different date and is subject to specific “grass-roots” Govt guidance. The FA are working on various scenarios as to when and how it affects the programme of games, this was explained as: August –A normal season September/October –Full League seasons to be priority with NO League or County CupsNovember/January –Not possible for a full league season to be played and in this situation either half seasons (play each other once) or splitting divisions in half (probably on geographics) so that in our case we have 4 divisions of 10 rather than 2 of 20
Later than January – Worst-case scenario with re-structure and leagues maybe held over again until 2021/22 season. Whilst NOT a commitment or guarantee by any means, the FA said the most likely current scenario would be September.Pre-Season –The FA stated a pre-season would occur before commencement of matches, but they were not prepared to say what duration in weeks that timeframe would be.End of season –Flexibility to go into May rather than the last weekend of April, but again this would really depend on the starting date of the season.Possible agreement prior to restarting so that if a 2nd spike forced another curtailment of next season, that the leagues could be awarded based on the percentage of games actually played at that time –details to follow.
CLUBS The FA will require ALL CLUBS to produce and publish a Risk assessment and/or action plans to ensure they are Covid secure. This is specifically for clubs that are neither “elite” nor “grassroots” and will cover such things as:
Return to full training / matches
Use of facilities including clubhouses, dressing rooms etcTravelThe volunteer workforce at each club The FA are currently writing a guidance paper on this and it will follow to clubs in the near future.
Ground Grading: The FA have built into the temporary changes to regulations some flexibility regarding ground grading dates, whilst no specific date or rule has been changed, the FA stated that it is “Not the intention to relegate any clubs for work that Covid has meant they have been unable to do.”Next FA Leagues meeting on July 14th.
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Mallard on June 20, 2020, 08:28:43 AM
With Schools seemingly struggling to have 30 kids in a class room come September I think any talk of Football in front of a paying audience in Sept is rather premature. 

Then again when you look at the FA guidelines above, how can Clubs set up for the season with things like season tickets ?   Maybe sell a block of say 10/11 tickets ?

I can see fans being up for that
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on June 20, 2020, 03:43:02 PM
With Schools seemingly struggling to have 30 kids in a class room come September I think any talk of Football in front of a paying audience in Sept is rather premature. 

Then again when you look at the FA guidelines above, how can Clubs set up for the season with things like season tickets ?   Maybe sell a block of say 10/11 tickets ?

I can see fans being up for that

It’ could be somewhat linked to the fundraising ideas suggested. Sell the season ticket at last years price, with the understanding that you might be buying less than full seasons worth of football. If there is a full season of games, clubs will take in increased revenue so won’t need as many donations. If there isn’t, season ticket holders have ‘donated’ payment for matches that didn’t happen. Seems win-win to me.
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Mallard on June 20, 2020, 05:37:43 PM
Surely that’s just another way if asking people for something and giving them nothing.   This seems to a well worn path now that appears not to be working.

How about a novel idea of actually asking the fans for something but giving them something in return.?

Judging by comments on previous threads it seems to have worked well in the past
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Dilligaf on June 20, 2020, 08:46:16 PM
Seems to me that buying a ticket to walk through the gate, having a few refreshments isn't good enough these days... :dontknow:
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: m a hill on June 21, 2020, 02:53:32 PM
Well it’s good enough for me even though I miss 8 weeks of the season while away in Spain ,why do I do it you may ask well I do it to help the club has well as sponcering two players and other donations which as passed  £200 already so I do my bit
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 21, 2020, 04:01:29 PM
why do I do it you may ask well........

I don't think anyone did ask, but good for you. Well done.
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Non League on June 21, 2020, 04:18:37 PM
France will be playing in front of fans I think soon, Germany I'd be confident will be doing that come new season, and I'd suspect UEFA having put the UCL in Portugal will be hoping that will be infront of fans too. If that happens, I can see UK following suit, and fans back in come September.
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 21, 2020, 05:16:15 PM
France will be playing in front of fans I think soon, Germany I'd be confident will be doing that come new season, and I'd suspect UEFA having put the UCL in Portugal will be hoping that will be infront of fans too. If that happens, I can see UK following suit, and fans back in come September.

That’s interesting, as Germany’s R figure went up to 1.7 yesterday, and appears to be on the rise. UK being somewhere between .7 and .9.
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Mallard on June 21, 2020, 05:26:27 PM
Polish Speedway ( currently running behind closed doors) is allowing 50% capacity into stadiums from next weekend.

Steps 5 & 6 are hopeful of getting underway in Sept with a 30% of capacity into the grounds. 
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on June 21, 2020, 06:30:19 PM
Polish Speedway ( currently running behind closed doors) is allowing 50% capacity into stadiums from next weekend.

Steps 5 & 6 are hopeful of getting underway in Sept with a 30% of capacity into the grounds.

Anyone know what our official capacity is? I’ve seen both 6,000 and 8,400 quoted before. Both seem a little high based on how full the York game seemed.
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Mallard on June 21, 2020, 06:52:01 PM
Was the Oldham game not a sell out ?
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 21, 2020, 07:30:23 PM
Polish Speedway ( currently running behind closed doors) is allowing 50% capacity into stadiums from next weekend.

Steps 5 & 6 are hopeful of getting underway in Sept with a 30% of capacity into the grounds.

Anyone know what our official capacity is? I’ve seen both 6,000 and 8,400 quoted before. Both seem a little high based on how full the York game seemed.

5733, with 1200 of those seated.
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Mallard on June 21, 2020, 08:06:30 PM
So 30%. Would give around a gate if 1700.  That’s enough I would think.
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 21, 2020, 08:30:33 PM
France will be playing in front of fans I think soon, Germany I'd be confident will be doing that come new season, and I'd suspect UEFA having put the UCL in Portugal will be hoping that will be infront of fans too. If that happens, I can see UK following suit, and fans back in come September.

That’s interesting, as Germany’s R figure went up to 1.7 yesterday, and appears to be on the rise. UK being somewhere between .7 and .9.

Today's figure in Germany is now 2.8. Hardly what you want to hear if supporters are going to be allowed back in to watch the games.
Title: Re: Next season start date
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on June 22, 2020, 09:51:22 AM
 
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Fans: 'no return to normal' upon restart


Supporter groups from across Europe - including the FSA - were signatories on a demand to UEFA and national football authorities this week that football didn't 'return to normal' after the pandemic, arguing that fans should be at the heart of major consultation.

"The recent return of football behind closed doors has demonstrated that fans are the lifeblood of the game.

"Their presence in the stands has been sorely missed, and the spectacle we are accustomed to has been absent without them. It is therefore more important now than ever for supporters to be included in discussions that will determine the immediate and long-term future of the game."

The letter calls for discussions that should revolve around three core pillars of the safe return of spectators, a recognition of the irreplaceable value of fans, and ongoing multi-stakeholder dialogue. 

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Deloitte's annual report says 'change is needed desperately'.

Deloitte’s annual football finance report is out and those who pay close attention to such things will notice that it becomes a little more critical each year when it comes to football, finance and sustainability.

The report notes that a salary cap set at 70% of revenue at each club would have reduced 2018/19 operating losses by £308m “whilst almost entirely wiping out the combined pre-tax loss recorded by Championship clubs”.

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Exeter fan donations surpass £40,000

Supporters have now voluntarily donated more than £40,000 to the club by way of cash donations and foregoing season ticket refunds, showing the real benefits of fan-ownership and community engagement. 


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