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Title: Backroom Staff
Post by: NORMSKI on August 14, 2020, 03:42:30 PM
With another person announced today we are certainly building a strong/large off the field team
Does anyone know if the additons from last season are employed by the club or are they doing their work voluntarily as part of a course.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on August 14, 2020, 05:14:33 PM
Voluntary plus cash in hand where appropriate, that was recently offered but NOT taken.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Mallard on August 15, 2020, 08:23:41 AM
Voluntary people at the club have enjoyed payment, in the form of free admission.  Thatís worth at least £20 this year.   No different to cash in hand is it ?
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: kenny r on August 15, 2020, 09:07:26 AM
Do they Mall?
 I thought the reason the guy selling the 50/50 tickets stopped at 2.55 was because he had had to pay to get into the ground and intended to watch the game.

Happy to be corrected if wrong.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: newlinnet2019 on August 15, 2020, 09:23:28 AM
Do they Mall?
 I thought the reason the guy selling the 50/50 tickets stopped at 2.55 was because he had had to pay to get into the ground and intended to watch the game.

Happy to be corrected if wrong.

You're absolutely right Kenny. I saw him a few times lining up to buy a ticket when I was buying mine and was quite surprised when he told me he was buying a ticket for himself and not for someone else!
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Mallard on August 15, 2020, 10:55:43 AM
I thought the 50/50 was run by FOTL not the Club directly?  Likewise I stand to be corrected.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: kenny r on August 15, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
And that is why the proceeds from the 50/50 are woeful. A gate of over 4000 and a 50/50 prize either side of £200 on that day.

Sadly some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Volunteers are worth their weight in gold so treat them accordingly rather than take the juice!
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 15, 2020, 02:53:43 PM
Volunteers are worth their weight in gold, and need to be treated well.They need to be treated with respect. It needs to be understood that  they are volunteers and not employed staff.

Personally, I don't think that entitles them to, or should expect, any freebies such as free entry. That defeats the objective as far as I'm concerned.



Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: kenny r on August 15, 2020, 06:00:52 PM
Sorry but I don't agree with that, full stop.
 If I volunteer to do something I am quite happy to cover my own expenses.
 I don't expect to have to pay to contribute to the organisation to help them.  :red card:
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Mallard on August 15, 2020, 06:15:04 PM
Then by definition you are accepting payment, as you would be attending the event anyway.. You are doing a job for which you are being rewarded by accepting free admission.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: kenny r on August 15, 2020, 06:23:01 PM
Not sure what that means Mallard. Volunteering can mean helping all sorts of organisations , very few of which would want to charge admission.
Volunteering means giving up your free time to help others, either through an organisation or to an individual.

 Why would you pay to do so?
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Mallard on August 15, 2020, 06:33:54 PM
1.
a person who freely offers to take part in an enterprise or undertake a task.

2.
a person who works for an organization without being paid.

If you were attending the match anyway and received free admission then does that not mean you are receiving a gratuity ?
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: gs50 on August 15, 2020, 06:38:17 PM
if the vouteers didn't volunteer they would have to be paid then they can use the money to buy the ticket. How's  That.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: kenny r on August 15, 2020, 07:15:20 PM
That squares the circle!
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 15, 2020, 07:39:54 PM
Quite simple, if you're not sure simply ask the taxman.

If you receive a benefit in kind, you are not a volunteer.

Any benefits in kind are taxable, therefore anyone who receives or expects a benefit is not a volunteer (you can't be taxed for giving your time for free).

Chairmen of Trust run clubs pay for season tickets.

If someone is expecting any benefit for work they do for a club, they are not volunteering their time. They are receiving a benefit in kind.

Sorry, but I don't write the laws of the land.

I wouldn't expect any benefit in kind for any organisation I was offering my service to on a volunteer basis.

 :scarf:
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 15, 2020, 07:46:31 PM
Do the stewards and St Johns pay? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on August 15, 2020, 09:46:45 PM
Hmm, perhaps the people who question any "perks" that volunteers may or may not get, should volunteer themselves. Problem solved, everybody happy.  :countingmoney:
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: m a hill on August 15, 2020, 10:26:52 PM
Well said Marcus some people are never happy unless they are moaning or slagging the club off
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Mallard on August 16, 2020, 08:56:26 AM
All about opinions.   The Club can ill afford to be handing what is £1000ís of freebies. Season ticket holders last season ( including you I guess MA Hill) have donated their part of the unused season ticket money. We have had warchest speaks etc.  SC is on record as saying if this season goes tits up no season ticket refunds as it will send the club pop.  Ask yourselves how much does it cost Stephen Cleeve to get in every week ?

So if people are volunteers then they should be paying. If they are being remunerated for being there then drop the word Volunteer. 
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Dilligaf on August 16, 2020, 10:03:38 AM
I wonder in that case then whether Mr Caesar pays....I am sure in part of his "article" recently he stated that he does what he does for free.... :dontknow: :dontknow:
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Mallard on August 16, 2020, 10:42:45 AM
Maybe best to lose the word volunteer and stick the the thread title.   
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 16, 2020, 12:28:35 PM
I wonder in that case then whether Mr Caesar pays....I am sure in part of his "article" recently he stated that he does what he does for free.... :dontknow: :dontknow:

Interesting comment Dillli.

May be a case of watch this space!
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 16, 2020, 12:48:58 PM
Some people are never happy unless they are moaning or slagging the club off

I've not seen any criticism of Club. What's basically been said is that some are in favour of the way you do your volunteer work for the club.

You give your time for free, don't expect any perks, buy a season ticket, and first to put hand in pocket for any initiatives that Club runs (and indeed Trust has run in the past).  I know there's others that do the same, and surely this is what Mr Cleeve has been trying to achieve.

That's what a volunteer is, and they do a valuable job. Very unlikely a Club such as Kings Lynn could function without such people.

Obviously they also need other back room staff.

As has been said, all about opinions.


Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 16, 2020, 12:52:50 PM
Hmm, perhaps the people who question any "perks" that volunteers may or may not get, should volunteer themselves. Problem solved, everybody happy.  :countingmoney:

That's been tried by some and the offer refused.

Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Mallard on August 16, 2020, 03:38:53 PM
Good speech Marcus.   To that end is there a link to join FOTL and/or The Trust ?  Also can anyone advise if there are any vacancies on either committee.   I take it there is no issues with belonging to both organisations.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: admin on August 16, 2020, 03:49:50 PM
 You can join the Trust here

https://www.thelinnets.co.uk/membership.php
Committee members are elected.

If the FOTL would like a membership form on here - while the club website is being completed - I'm sure somthing can be arranged.   :farmer:
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Mallard on August 16, 2020, 04:08:19 PM
Thanks admin.  One done.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 16, 2020, 04:28:08 PM
Well said Marcus some people are never happy unless they are moaning or slagging the club off

Can't actually see onn this thread where the club or volunteers are being slagged off? More of a discussion over if they get in for free or if they pay?  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: m a hill on August 16, 2020, 04:56:09 PM
Griss itís nit picking or why bring it up ,I sell programs so I guess I am a volunteer and I always buy a season ticket and do I get paid of course not so why do I do it you may ask I do it to help the club
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Mallard on August 16, 2020, 06:20:43 PM
All credit to you there M Hill, and anyone else who helps out the club yet still insists on paying admission.

Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 16, 2020, 07:31:57 PM
Griss itís nit picking or why bring it up ,I sell programs so I guess I am a volunteer and I always buy a season ticket and do I get paid of course not so why do I do it you may ask I do it to help the club

Someone started a thread about backroom staff, volunteers have on this thread been complimented, nobody has actually been slagged off?
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: jesuslinnet on August 17, 2020, 01:17:08 AM
Griss itís nit picking or why bring it up ,I sell programs so I guess I am a volunteer and I always buy a season ticket and do I get paid of course not so why do I do it you may ask I do it to help the club

Someone started a thread about backroom staff, volunteers have on this thread been complimented, nobody has actually been slagged off?

You're all just moaners!
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Title: HIJACKED
Post by: NORMSKI on August 17, 2020, 09:12:52 AM
What a shame that a perfectly honest post has been hijacked into a debate about whether volunteers pay an entrance fee or not.
Of the 31 replies to my post not one deals with matter concerned.
I was highlighting the recent appointment of a Head of Performance Analysis (Matt Loades ) and Sports Science Analysis ( Ben Alger ) to the Backroom Staff and how this was strengthening the club and wondering whether they are employed by the club or doing it as part of for instance a Sports Degree or Masters Degree.
If you want to carry on your petty squabbles then start up your own post and not hijack others.  :scarf: 
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 17, 2020, 09:51:43 AM
Yes M A, that's the way to do it.

Well done.
Title: Re: HIJACKED
Post by: TonyM on August 17, 2020, 01:25:55 PM
Fair point Normski, personally whether volunteers pay an entrance fee or not is between them and the club, end of story.

Anyway to go back to your original post, I would be disappointed if either of the two recent appointments are 'paid' positions, not because I have anything against either of the lads or the job they will be doing but given how far ahead the on-field activities already are compared to the off-field, I don't understand spending more on the on-field side than is necessary and IC already seems to have a pretty good handle on what he is watching and what he expects from his players.  For me all the focus should be on creating a more stable club off the field to catch up to where IC has already taken us.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: A47 Linnet on August 17, 2020, 01:55:25 PM
I really can not believe some of the cmments on here regarding volunteers. I have worked/volumteered for
the club and could have had some reward, I refused to take it and paid for my own season ticket mainly
because I knew what the comment would be by some of you on this site. For years some of you have said
we need a commercial Manage, you have got a very good one now, but still the moaning goes on. he has
now got lots going on at the club, which I guess many of you are not aware of because you can not make a
visit to,Mark Hearle I am talking about. Some of you should stop the moaning and help the club. one point
I would like to make I am very sorry that Gordon is not involved in some way, and finally II would like to say a big
well done to Len and helpers with season ticket raffle, well done to you all.
Title: Re: HIJACKED
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on August 17, 2020, 02:55:58 PM
Fair point Normski, personally whether volunteers pay an entrance fee or not is between them and the club, end of story.

Anyway to go back to your original post, I would be disappointed if either of the two recent appointments are 'paid' positions, not because I have anything against either of the lads or the job they will be doing but given how far ahead the on-field activities already are compared to the off-field, I don't understand spending more on the on-field side than is necessary and IC already seems to have a pretty good handle on what he is watching and what he expects from his players.  For me all the focus should be on creating a more stable club off the field to catch up to where IC has already taken us.

Iíd agree. This year doesnít seem the most sensible year to start increasing ancillary over-heads, given all the uncertainty around the season.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Mallard on August 17, 2020, 04:32:40 PM
In fairness 47, the idea of back room staff paying admission was left to the individualís conscience by Stephen Cleeve a while back.   Maybe you should address any questions direct to him,   Just because some Agree  with his thoughts does not make it their idea.

As for Mark  Hearle he has got a massive job on in the most testing of circumstances.   I am sure we will see the fruits of his labour as the season unfolds.  Is Mark
CM though or GM ?

Maybe Mark could do everything in his power to bring a long time finicial supporter like Gordon back into the fold.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Westlandallstar on August 20, 2020, 06:20:59 PM
Just like to add my opinion on the matter,

Id go as far to say 80 - 90% of the behind the scene staff, St john's and the stewarding team are volunteers. Many of them put more hours in for free, that's right completely free, than many people actually work in a week. I avoid this forum for many reasons however one of the main ones is due to the constant drivel a few people speak. Constant moaning and whinging, the club cant do right from wrong. If people supported the club as much as they moan then it would be a miracle.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Nemesis on August 20, 2020, 06:27:09 PM
I believe SJAB charge
https://www.sja.org.uk/what-we-do/our-first-aid-services/event-first-aid-cover/event-first-aid-cover-costs/
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Bluboy on August 20, 2020, 09:12:00 PM
Just like to add my opinion on the matter,

Id go as far to say 80 - 90% of the behind the scene staff, St john's and the stewarding team are volunteers. Many of them put more hours in for free, that's right completely free, than many people actually work in a week. I avoid this forum for many reasons however one of the main ones is due to the constant drivel a few people speak. Constant moaning and whinging, the club cant do right from wrong. If people supported the club as much as they moan then it would be a miracle.
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Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Westlandallstar on August 20, 2020, 09:51:16 PM
I believe SJAB charge
https://www.sja.org.uk/what-we-do/our-first-aid-services/event-first-aid-cover/event-first-aid-cover-costs/


The organisation charges however the members who actually run and man the events are all doing it for free.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: jesuslinnet on August 21, 2020, 01:26:11 AM
Just like to add my opinion on the matter,

Id go as far to say 80 - 90% of the behind the scene staff, St john's and the stewarding team are volunteers. Many of them put more hours in for free, that's right completely free, than many people actually work in a week. I avoid this forum for many reasons however one of the main ones is due to the constant drivel a few people speak. Constant moaning and whinging, the club cant do right from wrong. If people supported the club as much as they moan then it would be a miracle.
:worship:

So you come on this forum, just to a moan and a whinge?
Exactly what you are moaning about others doing!
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Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 21, 2020, 02:57:25 AM
Just like to add my opinion on the matter,

Id go as far to say 80 - 90% of the behind the scene staff, St john's and the stewarding team are volunteers. Many of them put more hours in for free, that's right completely free, than many people actually work in a week. I avoid this forum for many reasons however one of the main ones is due to the constant drivel a few people speak. Constant moaning and whinging, the club cant do right from wrong. If people supported the club as much as they moan then it would be a miracle.
:worship:

Could you actually point out to me exactly where people are moaning and whinging about the volunteers? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Mallard on August 21, 2020, 08:14:08 AM
I think some are forgetting that the directive asking backroom staff to pay for admission came from Stephen Cleeve with the instruction it should be left to the individuals conscience.   Some then decided they wanted to pay and support the club more and some I guess didnít.   

Is there really anyone on this forum who, if involved wouldnít want to pay admission.  ?  If people are involved in the backroom team they are already showing their commitment and Iím sure would have little hesitation in paying to help the Club.
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 21, 2020, 09:11:34 AM
Amazing that some people complain about others who are just backing one of the Chairmans plans.

 :dontknow:
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 21, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
Amazing that some people complain about others who are just backing one of the Chairmans plans.

 :dontknow:

Really takes the Michael.  :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Backroom Staff
Post by: fenlander on August 24, 2020, 10:41:52 AM
All about opinions.   The Club can ill afford to be handing what is £1000ís of freebies. Season ticket holders last season ( including you I guess MA Hill) have donated their part of the unused season ticket money. We have had warchest speaks etc.  SC is on record as saying if this season goes tits up no season ticket refunds as it will send the club pop.  Ask yourselves how much does it cost Stephen Cleeve to get in every week ?

So if people are volunteers then they should be paying. If they are being remunerated for being there then drop the word Volunteer.

Could I add a comment here from a point of personal experience. There are many comments here regarding volunteers (including stewards). I would say, it would be a good experience for some, to arrive some 3 to 5 hours before kick-off. Then, during a match with a large crowd, (Chester, York etc.), steward the segregated area with the police and security staff. Get knocked off your feet a few times, soaked in all manner of stuff thrown between rival fans (hoping it was beer!), see a colleague knocked to floor and dropped on, or another hit on the head with a bottle. During and because of this, see very little, if any of the game at all. Stay behind after to see the away fans, players and officials to their coaches...... Then pay for the privilege?
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