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Title: Deal agreed
Post by: macfleetwood1 on September 30, 2020, 06:44:34 AM
The National League has agreed a deal with the government, all on for Saturday!
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Grissles Oleary on September 30, 2020, 07:57:06 AM
Great to see progress has been made. :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Linnet on September 30, 2020, 08:47:48 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54352735
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Wingwizzard on September 30, 2020, 09:34:39 AM
I wonder what the split of this money  will be ???  equally between all the clubs or will you have to prove  the wages bill  to get it

in which case the split may not be equal  lets hope it is 
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on September 30, 2020, 10:10:30 AM
Be interesting to see how this gift is divid up amongst the Clubs.

If for example it is based on attendance (2019/20) of all the 66 Clubís now left in the National League structure, and basing it on say 2m a month Government handout then Lynn would receive £31,400 per Month.

However at the top of that Tree Notts County would receive £114,500.   At the bottom of the tree Hungerford would receive £7,100.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Wingwizzard on September 30, 2020, 10:32:04 AM
Very Interesting Mallard this would help the club no end   but would it be enough in the long term not so sure 
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: KES80 on September 30, 2020, 11:27:44 AM
Mall's figures just highlight to me how it surely must be an even distribution....you can't be giving one club £114k and another £7k ....
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on September 30, 2020, 12:10:17 PM
Equally its no good giving a Club like Notts County 30k if their need is £114k. That would be a complete waste of money if a club then still went bust due to being given a insufficient amount from the grant to enable them to keep going. Good money after bad, and money that could otherwise be distributed to the other clubs.
Likewise, does every single Club require the grant money (I'm sure they will all say they will  :laughcry: ). Again, if certain clubs don't need it or they could manage with a lower amount,  there's money that could be distributed among the more needy.

Then there's the clubs who are in such a perilous state due to the way they have run their business and were on a cliff edge prior to the Pandemic. Some have been reckless, hand to mouth, when it comes to spending, others have been very cautious. Should Clubs be expected to effectively support others because of this?

Do NL Clubs get a higher amount than North and South? Again, some clubs in North and South will have bigger monthly expenditure than those in NL.

Very difficult one and I doubt there will be time for clubs to supply sufficient data etc, and for NL to check everything out, so I do think it will actually be granted equally (or maybe an equal amount for NL Clubs, with a different, lower amount for North and South).

Apparently, irrespective of the amount each Club will receive, its being given on a monthly basis. That's the best idea as far as I'm concerned as the money is for survival and to assist with monthly costs. Its not there for more signings or to reduce existing debts.

Thankfully everything will keep going for the moment. Its not cured the Pandemic or solved the ongoing problems of some Clubs spending far more than they bring in. The re-set button still needs to be pressed or I fear we will be visiting this matter again.

Its just breathing space for now!

 :scarf:

Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on September 30, 2020, 12:10:33 PM
When you consider Lynnís average gate last season ( a promotion season,With two big gates included, York n Boston) was 1427 and Notts County was in excess of 5,000.  Is it really that far out ?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on September 30, 2020, 12:12:43 PM
We have to remember the National League voted against a wage cap.    So if you are pulling in 5000 fans then you can afford to pay players to match that income.  The same as Lynn hopefully are paying wages based on 1400 plus
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on September 30, 2020, 12:28:56 PM
This is Govt (our) money.

"Football family"?

Where's the Premier League when you need them?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: TonyM on September 30, 2020, 01:19:25 PM
Mall's figures just highlight to me how it surely must be an even distribution....you can't be giving one club £114k and another £7k ....

I know football is a game of opinions but so, apparently, are government grants.  I looked at Mall's figures and came up with exact opposite conclusion in that if it really is to be £2m spread across the 67 NL clubs then attendance is the only real proxy for the income lost which is what the grant is meant to be recompense for.  This is not a TV or sponsorship deal where people can claim the value is in the collective not the individual club, this is about clubs missing out on fans and the grant is there to help make up (some) of that shortfall
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on September 30, 2020, 01:35:03 PM
Is it 67 clubs or 66 now Macclesfield are gone ?  If itís 67 clubs then each club will receive less as it has to be factored by one more club
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: TonyM on September 30, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
Sorry, forgot we were one short even before Macclesfield.  £31K is probably well below what the club budgeted for assuming 2.75 home games per month although the grant shouldn't be VATable unlike gate receipts and add in streaming income plus I would imagine the club will run other 'specials' over the season such as the Yeovil programme to help make up the deficit. 

This is where the FotL need to step up and help galvanise the supporter base - if we accept fans won't be paying admission for the foreseeable and so won't be paying for the 50/50 etc can they get more to sign up to the 100 club and/or the 12th man initiatives as another way of helping to plug the shortfall?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on September 30, 2020, 02:07:25 PM
If the wages are 10k Tony ( as you suggested). Then there is a shortfall in the wages  of 8k ( approx ) per Month.  Since then Hendo has left and Gash ill.  So that may have reduced the 10k weekly wage bill. 

SC is a firm believer in streaming being the way forward so should produce the shortfall to cover the wages.    I think SC said he could cover all the remaining costs if the wages were sorted.

Game on
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on September 30, 2020, 02:29:32 PM
Nigel Huddleston responding to a question from Tracey Crouch MP:

ďFunding will be focused on those most in need and it will be based on the loss of gate receipts."

ďI can't give details today. We are working on those details as I speak."
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: KES80 on September 30, 2020, 05:48:37 PM
If they apply a similar formula to the self employed formula it will be the gate receipts for the last 3 years, averaged out and multiplied by 80%.
 So that should be about 800-900x80%xsay £15, which is about £10k per home match.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on September 30, 2020, 06:42:29 PM
£15 with the vat KES. So will that be included ? ( IYHO)
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: KES80 on September 30, 2020, 08:26:49 PM
 :laughcry: Can't see the VAT being included Mall :laughcry:
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on September 30, 2020, 08:29:05 PM
Elite clubs should be grateful for any amount which comes their way. If they have to cut their cloth accordingly, so be it.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on September 30, 2020, 08:47:49 PM
How ever much the Club is gifted by the Government letís hope itís enough to keep the Club going. 

I Guess the idea of signing the lad from Sligo Rovers when the Irish season finishes in October, is now not going to happen.   

Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on September 30, 2020, 10:10:26 PM
How ever much the Club is gifted by the Government letís hope itís enough to keep the Club going. 

I Guess the idea of signing the lad from Sligo Rovers when the Irish season finishes in October, is now not going to happen.   

As we have lost Henderson, that one could go either way.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on October 01, 2020, 08:47:53 AM
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I understand the Governmentís National League funding is likely to be around £3 million a month.

Funding will be available over the next 6 months should clubs not be allowed fans.

The details of how the grants will be split between each league & club hasnít yet been confirmed.


If itís set up on last years attendances We would get around 47k a month.   So with our wage bill said be 10k a week looks like we are well sorted. With a bit to play with for other things.   
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 01, 2020, 12:12:54 PM
Where was it said wage bill was 10k ?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: KES80 on October 01, 2020, 12:46:49 PM
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I understand the Governmentís National League funding is likely to be around £3 million a month.

Funding will be available over the next 6 months should clubs not be allowed fans.

The details of how the grants will be split between each league & club hasnít yet been confirmed.


If itís set up on last years attendances We would get around 47k a month.   So with our wage bill said be 10k a week looks like we are well sorted. With a bit to play with for other things.




I love an optimist   :laughcry:
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on October 01, 2020, 01:00:41 PM
The 10k figure was mentioned on an SC podcast in response to Tony Mís comments on the forum.

Optimistic KES in terms of what the Government handout will be or that the Club will get 47k per month ?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: TonyM on October 01, 2020, 01:01:10 PM
Where was it said wage bill was 10k ?

I don't think anyone has said that is the wage bill, the EDP report quoted earlier had us with a wage bill in five figures - this is a pretty big range from £10K upwards.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: KES80 on October 01, 2020, 02:23:37 PM
The 10k figure was mentioned on an SC podcast in response to Tony Mís comments on the forum.

Optimistic KES in terms of what the Government handout will be or that the Club will get 47k per month ?


Both I think Mall...but obviously hope you are correct.

Gvnmts tend to use phrases like "Up to £3million"......if Lynn get £47k per month for the next few months that will be some result.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on October 01, 2020, 02:45:11 PM
It said Ďaroundí 3M, so who is to say it might even be over that figure.  Think Lynn should be looking at 40k plus.   We are around the 22nd best supported club in the 66 team structure.  So should look to be. In the top 33% of payouts.

3m divide by 66 clubs comes out around the 45k mark
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on October 01, 2020, 07:45:24 PM
It said Ďaroundí 3M, so who is to say it might even be over that figure.  Think Lynn should be looking at 40k plus.   We are around the 22nd best supported club in the 66 team structure.  So should look to be. In the top 33% of payouts.

3m divide by 66 clubs comes out around the 45k mark

Depends if there is divisional weighting applied. Any idea if there will be a transfer embargo linked to these payments. Itís not beyond the wit of man that some unscrupulous owners would use the bailout money for means beyond those intended, and I hope there are some tight restrictions to prevent such.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on October 01, 2020, 07:57:02 PM
Having just read that IC is looking to bring another new face then donít think that there will be any restrictions on players joining clubs tied to the Government hand out
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on October 01, 2020, 08:02:18 PM
It said Ďaroundí 3M, so who is to say it might even be over that figure.  Think Lynn should be looking at 40k plus.   We are around the 22nd best supported club in the 66 team structure.  So should look to be. In the top 33% of payouts.

3m divide by 66 clubs comes out around the 45k mark

Depends if there is divisional weighting applied. Any idea of there will be a transfer embargo linked to these payments. Itís not beyond the wit of man that some unscrupulous owners would use the bailout money for means beyond those intended, and I hope there are some tight restrictions to prevent such.

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Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 01, 2020, 08:12:23 PM
And you canít really justify asked players to take a pay cut if still spending money on new ones.

I suppose any justification will be centred around it being Henderson money.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 02, 2020, 08:13:16 AM
An additional nice windfall for York City on the eve of the opening game of season and Govt grant money about to come through.

Norwich sell Ben Godrey to Everton, which has a sell on clause which means York receive 2.5 million.

Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: KES80 on October 02, 2020, 11:05:27 AM
Very nice.....but even with that will they be able to get out of the NLN  ?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on October 02, 2020, 07:44:59 PM
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The National League has secured £10 million of funding for the first 3 months of the season.

After that, the situation will be reviewed.

The League believes this "is to allow for the possibility of crowds being allowed back into stadiums on some basis as the season progresses."

Have to be more than happy with that.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on October 05, 2020, 08:09:05 AM
Reading in yesterdayís NLP the suggestion is that the monies will be spilt 55% to the National League with 45% going to the North and South.   

Monies given will be based on attendance levels ( based on last year ?). However there will
Allowances made ( and uplift) for the Promoted Clubs.   This should put us around halfway in the adjusted attendance League table.

The average payout per Club will be circa 80k per month.  As we are right in the middle of the table thatís what we can maybe expect to receive.

If you amortise that over a complete 9 month season then thatís around 720k. Factor in things like Shirt sponsorship ( biggest in clubs history) TV, Streaming (£12 a pop) Board sales, Prog Adverts and sales. Etc.   Then maybe not short of the magical £1m mark.

I think on a recent podcast SC stated it took 650-700k to run the Club per annum. Will the suggested extra 300-350k give the Club the chance to mount a serious promotion challenge?   All thanks to Boris.

The above Figures obviously donít include any amount that SC sticks in himself.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on October 05, 2020, 07:47:06 PM
FACTOR IN THE SHIRT SPONSORSHIP BEING THE BIGGEST IN THE CLUBS HISTORY!
Do you believe everything you read .
The only thing BIGGEST was the amount that was asked of numerous potential sponsors. 36% of that was allegedly agreed, so take it from me i know one company who sponsored for more.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on October 05, 2020, 09:09:33 PM
Biggest, 2nd biggest. Does it matter a whole heap of beans Gordon ?  Itís all extra going into the pot.

Despite your indifference to SC and Club did you tune in ?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Westlandallstar on October 06, 2020, 09:22:33 AM
GC you seem have so many sour grapes towards the club? Do you care to take time to explain why?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Grissles Oleary on October 06, 2020, 09:42:50 AM
GC you seem have so many sour grapes towards the club? Do you care to take time to explain why?


He probably noticed that the Emperor had no clothes? :dontknow: :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: KES80 on October 06, 2020, 09:54:54 AM
Do we have to keep raking it up again and again........we know that a number of people who have been loyal supporters and backers of the club over a number of years feel they have been harshly treated and this is both sad and unfortunate.
But this is for the individuals on both sides to work through if the desire is there. There is so much to be positive about in relation to the club at the moment....the best it's ever been in so many regards....please lets enjoy and support that.........and try and leave the bitterness and sniping behind.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on October 06, 2020, 08:17:02 PM
Biggest, 2nd biggest. Does it matter a whole heap of beans Gordon ?  Itís all extra going into the pot.

Despite your indifference to SC and Club did you tune in ?
Of course! Why would i not. I have no problem with the team.
Listening in on Radio Norfolk tonight also. Been going through that gate since 1962. I and many others have seen it all but not everybody  has had the pleasure/displeasure.
Yes there is a difference between biggest and second biggest. I was just stating that it is again incorrect to say this sponsorship is the biggest.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on October 07, 2020, 05:10:29 PM
Itís good GC than you are still following the Team/Club despite your little fallout with the Chairman ( hereís hoping there is an olive branch somewhere along the line).   Hard habit to break, come rain or shine for many.

As for biggest/2nd biggest.   Club says biggest you say not the biggest.  Surely with the club being at its highest standard you would the deal would be one of, if not the biggest than something from past.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on October 07, 2020, 07:59:14 PM
believe what you want Mallard but one of us is telling a pack of lies, not for the first time.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 11, 2020, 05:52:19 PM
Some interesting reading today from the PL and their Project Big Picture.

That could sort EFL finances out. Now whoís going to look after the NL?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on October 11, 2020, 06:23:53 PM
10m still supposed to be coming through to support clubs until the end of year.  The NL have to put together a proposal on how much each club will get, for the Government to rubber stamp.

Clubs have no idea, individually Clubs have no idea what they are getting.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: KES80 on October 11, 2020, 07:48:59 PM
If they take another 5/6 days over it, that should ensure it's too late for a few clubs in the NL set up. I know there's a lot to consider....but they do need to get a wriggle on.
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Dilligaf on October 12, 2020, 09:34:21 AM
So I wonder what Mr Cleeve thinks of the reform idea endorsed by EFL chairman Rick Parry??
Any chance of a podcast to let us in on the plans and what they really mean?? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 12, 2020, 09:51:48 AM
I've been thinking and reading about this over the weekend. As always, there's for and against.

Its been described as a "Conronavirus grab", which I assume means PL are taking advantage of the current Pandemic and the precarious financial state of the EFL. They are probably doing just that, and if so, they're not the only ones trying to gain an advantage. Football is big business and its dog eat dog in their world.

One step closer to a European Super League? I would guess so.

Domestically, Project Big Picture appears to make a lot of sense. There's going to be an increase in European games in 2024. There are only 7 days in a week, so they have to fit them in somehow.

Personally I'd let them get on with it. It would solve the immediate problem that EFL have, and if PL are so determined to put such a large gap between the "Elite" (I hate that word, especially in sport) and the lower levels of the game, there really is not a lot people can do. They will force it through sooner or later, as the agenda appears to be what's best for their business (as is the case for the vast majority of Business's).

So, we'll have people that "follow" PL Clubs (with prices just getting higher and higher) and people that "support" their Clubs that play at a lower level.

People will get their football fix somewhere, with many wanting that fix to involve watching games live. It could be an opportunity not a problem.

It could be that by default, people's fingers are at least hovering over the reset button for NL football!

 :scarf:


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/indepth/project-big-picture-why-sooner-or-later-english-football-needs-to-change/ar-BB19W9OM?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=UP97DHP





Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 13, 2020, 09:54:30 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsliverpool/liverpool-and-manchester-united-owners-hold-crisis-talks-over-project-big-picture-plan/ar-BB19XHKI?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=UP97DHP
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 13, 2020, 02:33:17 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/efl-clubs-will-grasp-liverpool-and-manchester-uniteds-big-picture/ar-BB19YthG?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=UP97DHP

"Sportsmail understands that the EFL is aware of seven clubs that are struggling to pay wages in October and without a cash boost they will go bust this month or next. Many more are believed to be close to the brink".



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier-league/premier-league-clubs-face-battle-with-government-over-ppv-plans-and-project-big-picture/ar-BB19YuVO?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=UP97DHP

"Project Big Picture..............has been interpreted by the Government as naked opportunism".
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on October 15, 2020, 07:09:11 PM
With still no word on whatís going on with regard to the Dowden hand out.   Surely there must be be some Clubs in the National League feeling very concerned., and with contracts having kicked in by playing games,  I assume the first proper payday for some will come in the next couple of week.   If the funding is not forthcoming how many Clubs will be able to continue into November ?

Not heard a Cleeve podcast now for over three weeks.  With so much having happened over the last 3 weeks, does anyone have a Scooby why ?  Or has the Chairman pulled the plug on these podcasts ?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: KES80 on October 15, 2020, 07:12:10 PM
It's going the same way as the bike voucher scheme..... remember that ?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Mallard on October 16, 2020, 06:33:06 PM
Just seen this on Ollie Baylis Twitter.

I understand the National League has assured clubs they will receive their first instalment of funding next week.

Clubs will also be given details next week of how the money will be allocated between the teams.



Phew, must have been some worried people.  I wonder how itís been divided up, and will it be a straight cash deal ?
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: Dilligaf on October 18, 2020, 05:43:16 AM
With still no word on whatís going on with regard to the Dowden hand out.   Surely there must be be some Clubs in the National League feeling very concerned., and with contracts having kicked in by playing games,  I assume the first proper payday for some will come in the next couple of week.   If the funding is not forthcoming how many Clubs will be able to continue into November ?

Not heard a Cleeve podcast now for over three weeks.  With so much having happened over the last 3 weeks, does anyone have a Scooby why ?  Or has the Chairman pulled the plug on these podcasts ?


There will be another one out when he wants something....or when he needs to put his side of a disagreement across....that's for sure... :dontknow:
Title: Re: Deal agreed
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on October 18, 2020, 08:40:26 PM
So its £10 million between 66 clubs. Better than nothing i suppose.  :countingmoney:
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