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Title: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2020, 08:02:17 PM
Thankfully we move on quickly from Saturday’s disaster.   IC says he is looking for a reaction.   Midfield and even up top he has options.   Looking at the back 5 he has little to no options to change things around with only Smith to possibly come in.   Otherwise he has to rely on the same players who threw the towel in at Sutton in the backline.

Be interesting to see how we set up.  Maybe have less of an attacking option and go for a hard to beat line up.

Thoughts ?
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 14, 2020, 08:33:54 PM

Thoughts ?


I'll tell you them Tuesday!
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: KES80 on November 14, 2020, 09:16:51 PM
First thought is we need a few more players who can impose themselves on a game at this level.
Up front, we are not badly equipped... Mitchell, Marriott, Southwell and Gash to come back.
But we lack a pacey ball winner in midfield...by that I mean someone who will race back,put in a hard tackle, win the ball and turn defence into attack. The pacey players we have (Power,Loza, King seem a bit lightweight in that regard.......that in turn puts more pressure on the defence).
Virtually all of the established sides have 3 or 4 tall, well built pacey strikers/attacking midfielders. In most cases they are full time professionals and after 30 minutes of dogged resistance our back line is just buckling.
We need McFadden.... we may need another couple of new defenders in addition to bring us into a position where we can keep teams at bay.
It's a very steep learning curve for management and players alike when trying to get the required performance level on a consistent basis.
Can we honestly say that there is one stand out player who looks a good N L player at the moment.....this is the great challenge that is being laid down and to which players need to aspire to. It's a huge ask, when they are part time and have to fit training around their work schedules.

We may need a different plan in terms of how we play., as discussed in another post..we can't go toe to toe with the top 6/7, home or away at the moment....but by the same token, all the success so far has come from playing an open passing game and scoring more than we concede.... that's the dilemma, how to tighten things up, without taking the familiar style (which is the team's main strength) out of the side and maybe we just need to be more of a counter attacking side this season, as also mentioned before....however to do that, you still have to have a secure back line.

In the end it just may mean having to replace 5/6 of the side and jettisoning those that are still bit time players, who are not imposing themselves on a game sufficiently and consistently.
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: TonyM on November 15, 2020, 12:27:16 PM
Big test for IC and his squad, I hope his post-match comments about looking for a 'reaction' doesn't mean he will go with the same side/system.  I didn't watch yesterday but listened on the radio and seemed more of the same in terms of how the season has gone so far and IC has to try to find a combination that makes us look more solid without the ball, don't think either full back is really helping the two lads in the middle so maybe we need to go with a tighter back three for a period to see if that helps.  Hopefully Richards will return Tuesday but still think we are in need of a 'young Jarvis' type player (new lad can't play everywhere).  Lack of balance in the squad really starting to hit home with plenty of options further forward but almost no cover at the back or 'proper' midfielders and realistically only Jones out injured.  My side for Tuesday

               Mair
    Lupano, Smith, McAuley
Barrows, Clunan, Richards, Brown
            Carey, Kelly
                Mitchell

subs, Fleming, Jarvis, Loza, Marriott, King
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Mallard on November 15, 2020, 12:35:20 PM
Not sure Barnet will be keen to let us start with 12 on the pitch Tone.

Power never seems to make your 16,  or 17 in this case  :laughcry:
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 15, 2020, 12:49:28 PM
Maybe replace Mair with our other keeper?  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: TonyM on November 15, 2020, 12:51:52 PM
Mallard, well spotted, duly amended.  Maybe I was thinking of junior football where teams are allowed another player once the deficit reaches a certain level!

As for Power, more an indication of the 'riches' of attacking options within the squad, although the worry for me is none of the additions really looks that much stronger than what we had to start last season and can't justify putting Loza and Power both on the bench when essentially would be coming on to fulfill the same role.  We are away and I was going with a back five and Fleming as cover so who would you leave out to bring him in?

KES posed the question as to 'who looks an NL player' for me it would only be Richards and Carey and then others who have looked the part at times but not consistently enough.  Appreciate players like Marriott could probably question whether they have been given sufficient chances to prove their worth (he can't score every opportunity) and Mair has maybe had more opportunities than he would like but overall we are looking short all over the pitch imo, most of the squad are capable of playing 'in' a NL side when they are playing well but equally when the side is not playing well are they able to help turn a game at this level?
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Paul47 on November 15, 2020, 12:52:51 PM
Power never seems to make your 16

Yet, somehow, Kelly does??
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: KES80 on November 15, 2020, 02:53:19 PM
Hi Tony,
Yes we need a new system, problem is , as I see it , we don't have the personnel on board yet to make it happen.
Personally not sure that Smith has the pace for this league.
When McFadden arrives, could see him playing alongside or  just in front of McCauley and Lupano.
Think we need another full back and a ball winning midfielder....we have a lot of similar players in midfield....I think one or two will be released and replaced over thecoming months.
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: TonyM on November 15, 2020, 02:58:07 PM
Power never seems to make your 16

Yet, somehow, Kelly does??

Different players who bring different qualities to the team imo.  Somehow IC has got to find a pattern that both suits the squad we have (subject to any strengthening that can be achieved) that can be competitive against the bottom half of the league and doesn't get consistently thumped by those chasing the playoffs.  The choice seems to be keeping the pass & move style but ensure the players adapt to the higher tempo required at step 1 to be successful with maybe the need to replace some who can't make that step up against going with an alternative plan of playing longer, relying on pace, catching teams on the break which would probably mean more wholesale changes in midfield but greater roles for Loza AND Power.
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: TonyM on November 15, 2020, 03:11:54 PM
Hi Tony,
Yes we need a new system, problem is , as I see it , we don't have the personnel on board yet to make it happen.
Personally not sure that Smith has the pace for this league.
When McFadden arrives, could see him playing alongside or  just in front of McCauley and Lupano.
Think we need another full back and a ball winning midfielder....we have a lot of similar players in midfield....I think one or two will be released and replaced over thecoming months.

That was part of my issue with the summer's recruitment - players coming in that were similar to what we already had whilst not really addressing the issues from the NLN campaign.  Hopefully McFadden can be part of the rebuild (in whatever position) but do we need adapt the system to get the most out of the existing squad or make changes to the squad so the current system can work at a higher level?  Difficult choice for IC who seems very set on how he wants his teams to play but has also been very loyal to many of the squad, maybe signs in the post match interview from Saturday that he was starting to lose patience with some ("enough experience but not enough leadership")
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Mallard on November 15, 2020, 03:34:28 PM
It seems a lot of faith/emphasis is being put upon the signing of McFadden.   I think we really need to see what we are getting before building him to the messiah and the saviour of Kings Lynn’s season.   He is coming from the Irish Prem League which is not the best paying League around.  The lad is joining a struggling National League on a limited budget.   So let’s keep this in prospective.

I think in reality we are about where some of us thought we would be in this League.   Always saw it was going to be a battle in the bottom half to keep out of the bottom 3, with the squad we have.   What has proved the real surprise is the strumping’s we have taken 3 times already this season.  I never saw ya challenging at the business end of the League but thought we might have at least been competitive and not a soft touch who would roll over.

We have 84k per month coming in (20k per week). I thought the idea was that gate money would pay the playing squad.   So 20k per week for 20
Players should give us a squad that should be at least competing.    SC, on a recent podcast suggested that there were players dropping out of the Football League who would be prepared to sign up for £400 a week.   Maybe it’s time to start looking at bringing some experience into the squad to steady what is looking a very rocky ship.
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: westlynnmike on November 15, 2020, 05:14:56 PM
Seems that Barnet FC experienced serious Streaming problems in previous games. Saturday saw that these problems had not been resolved.

https://www.barnetfc.com/news/2020/november/club-statement/

Will they have it sorted for Tuesday evening  :dontknow:   :coffee:
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Squire of Langham on November 16, 2020, 12:19:36 AM
With Barnet losing 3-1 at home to Bromley on Saturday they will not want two home defeats on the bounce.  Lynn will do extremely well to come away with anything from The Hive.  Dover is a must win game.
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Non League on November 16, 2020, 10:13:23 AM
Mair: Barrows, McAuley, Lupano, Brown: Loza, Richards, Kings, Power: Marriott, Mitchell

Get as much pace in the side as possible. Ensure the 2 lines of 4 are closer then normal, slightly deeper and look to counter fast. With the ball, have the wide players pushing on for the outlet.
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: KES80 on November 16, 2020, 12:15:06 PM
Hi Non League......yes that line up and train of thought is similar to what I have been advocating. Think it would work well if the defence was more reliable, but the line up could do with extra support for the defence...so far, little evidence of Loza, Power or King tracking back and getting solid challenges in.....so with that line up I could see us losing something like 7-4 !!!
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 16, 2020, 12:17:07 PM
Seems as if we will always require at least 3 goals if we are going to win!   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Mallard on November 16, 2020, 12:42:08 PM
Interesting people are going with the same back five that shipped 5 goals at the weekend.  Limited options to change things, so the hope is that will show a different mind set 72 hours later ?   Big test of IC to get into the same group of players,  and get this famous reaction that Manager/Coaches hang their hat on.

Let’s remember the squad of last season very much over achieved ( IC told us this seemingly every week).   So to now be a level higher, maybe it’s a step to far for many of them?
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Anton on November 16, 2020, 01:04:06 PM
Good luck to the Linnets tomorrow night at Barnet. Promotion to higher league is not easy with more or less the same players.  Look at Norwich, best team in the Championship but poor in the top flight of football.  This year will be a learning year for the Linnets and if we can manage to stay in this league maybe next year we will a far better team. Hopefully we can turn it around tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: admin on November 16, 2020, 03:37:26 PM
Streaming  https://www.venuetoolbox.com/barnetfc/asp/bookTickets.asp?dept=Spectators
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: KES80 on November 16, 2020, 07:58:32 PM
The stream may not have made the cut, but the highlights are bound to be good at Barnet.
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Mallard on November 16, 2020, 08:57:59 PM
Beehive back in fashion is it KES ?
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: KES80 on November 16, 2020, 09:34:02 PM
Not yet fully back...."just on the fringe".

Just hoping we don't have to "comb-over" problems resulting from being "too short at the back"  at the end of tomorrow night's match.

I am "rinse"nably hopeful of a result if we "cut out", basic errors and "trim" down the number of "snip"sters in midfield, but if we do win I am expecting it to be a "close shave".

Time for a Marriott masterclass...we all "mohican" do it.


Sorry for posting such drivel and "bald"erdash...... lockdown is obviously finally getting to me !

Btw ....has anyone been to  Barnet Fair .....or is that a thing of eons ago ?
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: KES80 on November 16, 2020, 09:39:20 PM
Ps still operates apparently.....Horse Fair
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: westlynnmike on November 17, 2020, 09:27:16 AM
Barnet FC have hopefully cured their Streaming issues by changing providers.

https://www.barnetfc.com/news/2020/november/an-update-on-our-streaming-arrangements/
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: dillydilly on November 17, 2020, 11:09:52 AM
Ok - not my last post !  So many people in England, never mind KL, want their team to have 3CHs, 2 FBs, a GK, a couple of hard-tackling M-F hooligans, ....   We’d never get out of our own penalty area !  Then a couple of their small nipsters will score another 5 !  IMHO !  COYLs.  Pick a team to worry them, then everyone back if they get a touch of the ball !!  Start tonight !
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 17, 2020, 11:24:37 AM
Ok - not my last post !  So many people in England, never mind KL, want their team to have 3CHs, 2 FBs, a GK, a couple of hard-tackling M-F hooligans, ....   We’d never get out of our own penalty area !  Then a couple of their small nipsters will score another 5 !  IMHO !  COYLs.  Pick a team to worry them, then everyone back if they get a touch of the ball !!  Start tonight !

Shall we sign a team of Italians?  :dontknow:

 :laughcry:
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: jesuslinnet on November 17, 2020, 11:34:29 AM
I don't agree with the small quick players causing us problems.
Look at the goals we are conceding from corners.
That's what needs sorting, picking up opposition players at set pieces.
We are more than capable of scoring goals, as the team has shown.
Just have to shut the back door now.
Simple! 👍
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Spreston7 on November 17, 2020, 12:28:02 PM
Ok - not my last post !  So many people in England, never mind KL, want their team to have 3CHs, 2 FBs, a GK, a couple of hard-tackling M-F hooligans, ....   We’d never get out of our own penalty area !  Then a couple of their small nipsters will score another 5 !  IMHO !  COYLs.  Pick a team to worry them, then everyone back if they get a touch of the ball !!  Start tonight !
Half the goals we've conceded this season are from set-plays so work out how small players will stop that? Some of the best teams and managers in the world play back 5s. But dilly knows better than them?
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: rod on November 17, 2020, 12:32:17 PM
Surely in the first instance it is about getting the defensive basics right, like not allowing the opposition free headers at set pieces?
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 17, 2020, 01:08:45 PM
Ok - not my last post !  So many people in England, never mind KL, want their team to have 3CHs, 2 FBs, a GK, a couple of hard-tackling M-F hooligans, ....   We’d never get out of our own penalty area !  Then a couple of their small nipsters will score another 5 !  IMHO !  COYLs.  Pick a team to worry them, then everyone back if they get a touch of the ball !!  Start tonight !
Half the goals we've conceded this season are from set-plays so work out how small players will stop that? Some of the best teams and managers in the world play back 5s. But dilly knows better than them?

I think Dilly is just expressing his opinion.
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Mallard on November 17, 2020, 05:37:22 PM
Ok - not my last post !  So many people in England, never mind KL, want their team to have 3CHs, 2 FBs, a GK, a couple of hard-tackling M-F hooligans, ....   We’d never get out of our own penalty area !  Then a couple of their small nipsters will score another 5 !  IMHO !  COYLs.  Pick a team to worry them, then everyone back if they get a touch of the ball !!  Start tonight !
Half the goals we've conceded this season are from set-plays so work out how small players will stop that? Some of the best teams and managers in the world play back 5s. But dilly knows better than them?

Maybe It’s those slippery Nipster who win the free kicks/corners etc that allows the opposition the chances from re-starts ?

Have to admit players are getting free runs and unchallenged headers in.  Seems to be a recurring theme.  Are we matching up man for man or zonal? 
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Mallard on November 17, 2020, 05:39:28 PM
Anyway, Saturday and all that is in the past.  We have a blank sheet of paper going into the game tonight.  A win and 3 points tonight will make the World seem a brighter place.  Sod the performance even a scratchy old 0-0 will do for me.
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 17, 2020, 05:57:55 PM
Sod the performance even a scratchy old 0-0 will do for me.

More than capable of achieving that!

 :scarf:
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: dillydilly on November 17, 2020, 07:39:04 PM
Spresto - Small nipsters wouldn’t stop them, but we’d be up the other end with them stopping us, or not !  I just think attack is the best form of defence.   And if we’re talking worldwide, I watched Barca and Spain- with no “holding players, and no CF “holding it up” winning every match for about 10 years !  I recall the Spain manager, on being asked why he hadn’t picked a CF striker - he said he had six players to score goals !  And Alonso (L’pool/real m/ Spain said he doesn’t understand the English obsession with “tackling” !  But, Thanks B & G, It’s only my opinion.  It might be rubbish, but it’s fun ! cOYLs.  Don’t like the selection tonight, though, by the way !  Can’t imagine crossing the half way line with the ball.  Nice to see SK though....  FINITO !!!
Title: Re: Barnet away Tuesday
Post by: Spreston7 on November 17, 2020, 09:58:08 PM
That's some result away at Barnet. Great way to respond from Sutton, I thought Rory was excellent along with smith at the back. The five at the back first half set the foundations for a great win. UTL :scarf:
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