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Title: More bail out money
Post by: Linnet on November 19, 2020, 04:35:24 PM
Looks like there is more money for football including the National League.
It all helps.

Nice one.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 19, 2020, 05:41:43 PM
Looks like there is more money for football including the National League.
It all helps.

Nice one.

Hi Linnet.

Are you referring to the 300 million announced today  being given to Sports Clubs?

If so, I don't believe any of that is coming in the direction of football clubs at this level.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on November 19, 2020, 05:50:24 PM
 :oldman" This is not free money, even if it was for football, this money will have to be repaid in the future, maybe not by the sporting teams it's allocated to but the taxpayers will have to repay this money somewhere along the line.  :farmer:
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Paul47 on November 19, 2020, 05:51:47 PM
Looks like there is more money for football including the National League.
It all helps.

Nice one.

Hi Linnet.

Are you referring to the 300 million announced today  being given to Sports Clubs?

If so, I don't believe any of that is coming in the direction of football clubs at this level.  :dontknow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54998979

National League (steps 1-2): £11m
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: wearywillie on November 19, 2020, 06:24:51 PM
£11m  over 3 NL  divisions can see that being used to satisfy the nine clubs that have been complaining of being short-changed.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 19, 2020, 06:38:06 PM
Looks like there is more money for football including the National League.
It all helps.

Nice one.

Hi Linnet.

Are you referring to the 300 million announced today  being given to Sports Clubs?

If so, I don't believe any of that is coming in the direction of football clubs at this level.  :dontknow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54998979

National League (steps 1-2): £11m

 :clap:
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: KES80 on November 19, 2020, 09:47:27 PM
£11m  over 3 NL  divisions can see that being used to satisfy the nine clubs that have been complaining of being short-changed.


I am not so sure.
The NL committee seem very upset with the way the dissenters have behaved......I suspect the money will be distributed to every club in a similar manner.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Non League on November 23, 2020, 02:57:37 PM
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1330875078293254145?s=20

Interesting. If West Norfolk is Tier 2 at most (which I think will be likely), that would mean up to 2000 fans can attend the home game against Torquay on 12th December. If that's the case, would the grant money need to be returned? Because I doubt other clubs would be happy if they still have no fans, but other clubs get fan money AND grant money.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Grissles Oleary on November 23, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
If a return is allowed I don't think there will be any less  than 2000 wishing to attend. :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Mallard on November 23, 2020, 04:57:54 PM
If itís tier one then more will be allowed in.

Taken from Ollie Baylis twitter page


Small blue diamondIn tier 1
50% of capacity or 4,000 (whichever is lower)

Small blue diamondIn tier 2
50% of capacity or 2,000 (whichever is lower)

Small blue diamondIn tier 3
No fans allowed
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 23, 2020, 05:40:36 PM
Think I'll give it a miss until the vaccine proves to be effective.

 :scarf:
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on November 23, 2020, 07:29:09 PM
If itís tier one then more will be allowed in.

Taken from Ollie Baylis twitter page


Small blue diamondIn tier 1
50% of capacity or 4,000 (whichever is lower)

Small blue diamondIn tier 2
50% of capacity or 2,000 (whichever is lower)

Small blue diamondIn tier 3
No fans allowed

How quickly can the terraces be marked out into two metre squares? Itís a big leap up from the 600 that had been allowed lower down.

And you wonder how strictly social distancing will be enforced? Will enforcement be proactive or retroactive? If thereís scenes of mass congregating after the first week of fixtures, will this change be one and done?
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Mallard on November 23, 2020, 07:54:52 PM
Is the Walks anywhere near big enough to allow entry for 2000 paying fans  ( plus those who need to be there) In a socially distanced way ?  If West Norfolk and Kings Lynn is declared as tier one on Thursday could be a lot more.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: KES80 on November 23, 2020, 08:01:13 PM
BJ really is a clown....what has changed so dramatically now to suddenly allow 2,500 thru the Walks turnstiles ?

Is it any wonder, so many support the conspiracy theories when the government advice is so up and down ?!
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Nemesis on November 23, 2020, 10:17:58 PM
It needs more detail.
I assume away supporters will not be allowed?
It's bad enough that some home supporters might travel together.
Interesting to see on Ollie Bayliss' chart on Twitter that the Walks has an 8,200 capacity.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on November 23, 2020, 10:43:55 PM
It needs more detail.
I assume away supporters will not be allowed?
It's bad enough that some home supporters might travel together.
Interesting to see on Ollie Bayliss' chart on Twitter that the Walks has an 8,200 capacity.

Meaning that the York game was only half full?
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Mallard on November 24, 2020, 08:32:56 AM
Crazy that the proposal is that Old Trafford can have 4,000 fans in and Kings Lynn could have 2-2500.

Surely SC and MH will see thatís not possible and reduce the numbers to a more manageable socially distancing level.

Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Non League on November 24, 2020, 08:46:35 AM


And you wonder how strictly social distancing will be enforced? Will enforcement be proactive or retroactive? If thereís scenes of mass congregating after the first week of fixtures, will this change be one and done?

Giving how people congregated for certain FA Cup games behind goals, I don't think anything would change. There'll be images where it looks like people are packed on top of each other, but as long as some distance (even like 1/2 m) between people/groups then it'll be all fair game.

Bit of dilemma for King's Lynn morally this too. They can take the route of spacing things right out and only having say 1000 - 1200 fans in the ground, or have it a bit less space, and take advantage of Norwich not having full house all season, go for the 2000 mark (or more depending on Tier) and try and tap into potential new fans ready for the following season. 
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 24, 2020, 10:17:52 AM
Bit of dilemma for King's Lynn morally this too.

Well ,that raised the first smile of the day!  :laughcry:
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Mallard on November 24, 2020, 10:24:23 AM
It must be a dilemma for SC.

On one hand he is losing the 84k Gov money ( via Camelot). But is being told he can have 2,000 fans in.    On the other hand he has the total responsibility of ensuring the ground can cope with having 2,000 fans/customers  in a safe and health conscious way.

The last thing the club will want is to be the cause of a spike in the area prior to Christmas.

Tough call for him.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 24, 2020, 10:36:47 AM
It must be a dilemma for SC.

On one hand he is losing the 84k Gov money ( via Camelot). But is being told he can have 2,000 fans in.    On the other hand he has the total responsibility of ensuring the ground can cope with having 2,000 fans/customers  in a safe and health conscious way.

The last thing the club will want is to be the cause of a spike in the area prior to Christmas.

Tough call for him.

Probably falls more on the shoulders of the Health and Safety Officer. Big responsibility for him. Not something I would personally like to be responsible for.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Coastal linnet on November 24, 2020, 12:00:24 PM
Will 2000 want to attend?
What health and safety measures are needed?
Face masks to be worn!
Two metre space at the loos!
NO indoor catering. Can we bring a flask, are own multi pack chocolate bar and sandwiches!
After taking care since March I will make do with Radio Norfolk, the Championship on Quest and Match of the Day all of which constitutes an adequate diet of football !!
The live football will be enjoyed by the players/management
starting with the great occasion for them next Saturday- a great reward for their efforts in recent times.
COYL.
STAY SAFE - Be patient and look forward with optimism to eradication of the virus!
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Attleborough Doug on November 24, 2020, 12:01:30 PM
Being of a certain age (!) it's my personal responsibility to take all necessary precautions during this awful pandemic. Having said that, my physical health has to be balanced with my mental health and well-being. It's really a balancing act for the Govt. and their medical/scientific advisers. Provided we all behave properly in and out of the stadium then I will make every effort to come along and support the LINNETS. Heard on Radio Norfolk that the game for the 1st December MAY be moved to the 2nd to allow fans in.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Blue Moon on November 24, 2020, 12:01:45 PM
The club, the venue, the H&S officer, the Chairman, his Uncle Tom Cobbley, can set whatever system, precaution, spaces, markings, signage they like but ultimately the paying customer, spectator have a responsibility for themselves to not act like idiots and keep their own distancing where required.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Linnet on November 24, 2020, 12:17:37 PM
Being of a certain age (!) it's my personal responsibility to take all necessary precautions during this awful pandemic. Having said that, my physical health has to be balanced with my mental health and well-being. It's really a balancing act for the Govt. and their medical/scientific advisers. Provided we all behave properly in and out of the stadium then I will make every effort to come along and support the LINNETS. Heard on Radio Norfolk that the game for the 1st December MAY be moved to the 2nd to allow fans in.

Sorry Doug The 2nd December is included in the lockdown period
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Nemesis on November 24, 2020, 01:51:39 PM
Lockdown ends 12.01am on Wednesday, December 2
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Westlandallstar on November 24, 2020, 02:48:08 PM
It needs more detail.
I assume away supporters will not be allowed?
It's bad enough that some home supporters might travel together.
Interesting to see on Ollie Bayliss' chart on Twitter that the Walks has an 8,200 capacity.


I believe the capacity is around 4300 ( i think). I know it was reduced because of a few issues with the crush barriers in the north stand ( one adjacent to the walks) i know some failed a test last year. Then take into consideration the segregation zones so that will minus a few off of it aswell. I  know the oldham game there was 5,444 and that was a tight fit.

Will the main stand be able to be used by fans with the subs and some club officials taking up a few rows of seats either side of the directors box.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Linnet on November 24, 2020, 04:48:15 PM
Lockdown ends 12.01am on Wednesday, December 2
I have seen that too Nemesis and there appears to be confusion as shops/ hairdressers etc are saying that cannot or will not open until the 3rd
If it was supposed to be for 28 days it would include the 1st and 2nd
26 days in November ( missing the first 4 ) plus 1st and 2nd December  But can Boris count?
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Paul47 on November 24, 2020, 04:55:03 PM
Football league looking at moving some games scheduled for the 1st December to the 2nd.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Linnet on November 24, 2020, 05:18:10 PM
Fair comment Paul

Try Page 27 of this

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/pdfs/uksi_20201200_en.pdf?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=post
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Linnet on November 24, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
And this
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/does-lockdown-include-december-2-19325365
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on November 24, 2020, 06:06:58 PM
Will 2000 want to attend?
What health and safety measures are needed?
Face masks to be worn!
Two metre space at the loos!
NO indoor catering. Can we bring a flask, are own multi pack chocolate bar and sandwiches!
After taking care since March I will make do with Radio Norfolk, the Championship on Quest and Match of the Day all of which constitutes an adequate diet of football !!
The live football will be enjoyed by the players/management
starting with the great occasion for them next Saturday- a great reward for their efforts in recent times.
COYL.
STAY SAFE - Be patient and look forward with optimism to eradication of the virus!

With a 2 metre space in the loo queue, itíll have to lap round the pitch.

Working in education with the high case rate we have, Iím wary to go myself. Not because Iím all that concerned with getting ill (being on the right side of 40), but I worry about being an asymptomatic carrier, having seen the impact such can cause. Having already decided itís too much of a risk to go the mother-in-laws at Christmas (shame), I canít really justify going to matches.

Streams and radio it is for me this season unfortunately.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: pc627 on November 24, 2020, 06:59:15 PM
Will the match streaming still carry on?
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 24, 2020, 07:16:51 PM
Will the admission price still be the same?
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Mallard on November 24, 2020, 07:51:08 PM
I think SC stated that market forces would dictate and they would need to maximise their income streams where they can.   This is the Club that charges £12 for a stream and £7 for a programme. 
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 24, 2020, 08:18:22 PM


@Ollie_Bayliss

The Sports Ground Safety Authority have added an extra caveat to the number of fans who can attend games.

The number of fans allowed can't exceed 'the socially distanced capacity of the ground'.

The guide to calculating that capacity can be read here:

https://sgsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/SG02-Planning-for-Social-Distancing-at-Sports-Grounds.pdf
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on November 24, 2020, 08:50:57 PM


@Ollie_Bayliss

The Sports Ground Safety Authority have added an extra caveat to the number of fans who can attend games.

The number of fans allowed can't exceed 'the socially distanced capacity of the ground'.

The guide to calculating that capacity can be read here:

https://sgsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/SG02-Planning-for-Social-Distancing-at-Sports-Grounds.pdf

So one person per usable 1m2 if fans are required to wear masks at all times at the stricter measures are used.

Or one person per usable 2.6m2 if fans are required to wear masks in getting to their designated area, but not whilst in said area.

Leading to anywhere between 17% and 33% capacity in seated areas, and 20-50% capacity in standing areas.

Quite a lot is left to the clubs discretion within the guidelines by the looks of it. I guess it's to spread the blame if something goes wrong.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Mallard on November 24, 2020, 09:28:13 PM
If capacity is greatly reduced and the 84k gov money is no longer forthcoming the club will need to charge a Premium price for admission.

What would people to be prepared to pay to be one of the elite being able to watch the Linnets live, for example would it be worth £30 ?
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 24, 2020, 09:44:02 PM
If captivity is greatly reduced and the 84k gov money is no longer forthcoming the club will need to charge a Premium price for admission.

What would people to be prepared to pay to be one of the elite being able to watch the Linnets live, for example would it be worth £30 ?

£30????   :laughcry:

Not unless thatís what Cleeve meant in todayís  edp article when he said the fans are an integral part of the Club!
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: jesuslinnet on November 25, 2020, 12:36:50 AM
If captivity is greatly reduced and the 84k gov money is no longer forthcoming the club will need to charge a Premium price for admission.

What would people to be prepared to pay to be one of the elite being able to watch the Linnets live, for example would it be worth £30 ?

£30????   :laughcry:

Not unless thatís what Cleeve meant in todayís  edp article when he said the fans are an integral part of the Club!

Not me.😥
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Mallard on November 25, 2020, 06:21:02 PM
SC has said he will advise over the weekend the uplift in cost for the games in Dec.   Season ticket holders wonít be charged extra.
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 25, 2020, 06:26:47 PM
Season ticket holders wonít be charged extra.

Did he say why?

Could it be that a season ticket is a legal contract so he's not allowed to charge more?   :dontknow:
Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Mallard on November 25, 2020, 06:35:06 PM
No mention of contractual issue.  More to thank those who supported the club in their time of need ( 160 I think the figure mentioned)  by purchasing season tickets.  They had missed out on seeing fiv games but had been given streaming and a Ďfreeí programme.

Title: Re: More bail out money
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 25, 2020, 10:29:41 PM
Heard on Radio Norfolk that the game for the 1st December MAY be moved to the 2nd to allow fans in.

Apparently not happening and game will still be going ahead on the 1st, with the majority of supporters not being allowed to attend.
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