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Title: FA CUP
Post by: NORMSKI on November 25, 2020, 09:14:43 AM
With all the discussion surrounding future fixtures regarding ground capacity it seems that Saturdays game has been completely overlooked.
I would like to see the same system as we used at Barnet where we set out not to concede and hope to get a goal on the break or take the game to penalties.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: TonyM on November 25, 2020, 05:15:09 PM
Difficult balancing act for IC again - does he play his strongest side or does he make use of the squad in light of the midweek game against Bromley?  I would continue with the back five and bring Lupano in for McAuley if Hull will allow him to play in the cup.  In front of that I wouldn't risk Richards even if he is fit again so Clunan and Jarvis to shore up the midfield and then perm any three from the rest which seems like it might include Gash, although again whether this is the game to bring him back in is open to debate.  Think we have to set up to be solid and then break when we can so I would go with:

                        Mair
Barrows, McFadden, Smith, Lupano, Brown
                Clunan, Jarvis
Loza                                    Power
               Southwell

subs McAuley, Kelly, King, Marriott, Gash with a view to getting King and Marriott on the pitch if it does look like going to penalties (which I accept is wishful thinking)
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: m a hill on November 25, 2020, 05:27:39 PM
Why would you want to leave MacAuly out and Lupano has gone back to Hull
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: TonyM on November 25, 2020, 05:49:33 PM
Why would you want to leave MacAuly out and Lupano has gone back to Hull

I would have left McAuley out as part of rotating the back three and Lupano is probably a little bit quicker, sorry I hadn't seen the club's press release to say he had gone back to Hull which again unbalances the squad and leaves us short of cover at the back.  Just read the Dover report and Lupano's exit was a footnote to the report (I don't generally read reports on games I watch)
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on November 26, 2020, 08:53:03 AM
All I wish for is the Team and the Manager to give a good account of themselves.   No shame in getting beat at a top League One side but just donít want to see a thrashing.     Itís a free hit for us.

Now if we did manage to hold em for 90 mins and it went to pens.... hmmmm interesting.  What an amazing achievement IF ( big if I know) we were in the draw for Monday.  In with the best in Europe ( The World?)

Dreams, but some do come true
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: macfleetwood1 on November 26, 2020, 09:05:40 PM
Preview tonight at 10.20, on BT Sport 1.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: rod on November 26, 2020, 09:34:10 PM
Match is live on the BBC red button.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: macfleetwood1 on November 27, 2020, 08:16:32 PM
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Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Chilvers Gordon on November 27, 2020, 08:20:15 PM
At the moment BBC981 just lists FINAL SCORE from 2-30pm tomorrow.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Coastal linnet on November 27, 2020, 10:24:46 PM
Freeview601
Freesat 981

Currently showing a Kylie Minogue concert :hide :cup2:
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on November 28, 2020, 06:33:14 AM
You should be so lucky



Lucky lucky lucky
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Linnet on November 28, 2020, 08:50:04 AM
 Also on BT Extra 3 BT channel 452
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: dillydilly on November 28, 2020, 12:37:55 PM
Thought there would be loads of people having a go at picking a team today, but perhaps staying calm and crossing fingers is understandable.  IC has a very difficult task today - we have an embarrassment of riches at present, but ok, itís unlikely to be enough....   Still, stranger things have happened.  For what itís worth, this is the Dilly team today....  Mair:  Barrows/Jones, McFadden, McCauley, Smith, Brown:  Clunan, Carey, King/Kelly, Power:  Southwell/Marriott, Loza.  Forest of legs (20), and flood forward when poss....   subs Bastock, Richards/Jarvis, Gash, Southwell/Marriott, King/Kelly., UT Cobley......  I donít envy IC at all !
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: kenny r on November 28, 2020, 12:52:41 PM
A forest of 22 legs excluding Mair's!
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: dillydilly on November 28, 2020, 01:29:06 PM
No, Kenny - including Mair !  Two legs waiting to start the counter - preferably Powerís !  Canít mess about with ďBack 3s, ďDiamondsĒ, ďHolding Roles, orĒthat Number 10 positionĒ ....  Just 10 men behind the ball, and flood forward when poss!...Main tactic, Fingers Crossed......
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: KES80 on November 28, 2020, 01:37:35 PM
I will take a more conservative approach and suggest we don't flood forward at all in this game, unless we are one behind with five minutes remaining.
Man for man they are obviously faster, fitter and stronger, so we can't hope to flood forward and back at the same rate as them cos we would be flat on our backs knackered after half an hour.
Similar approach to Vale required, using the pace of Loza, Power and King to link up in small number forays when we can without leaving ourselves  badly outnumbered in midfield or badly exposed at the back.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: dillydilly on November 28, 2020, 02:16:55 PM
Ed, have to say thatís almost exactly what I said, and I agree that my flood forward, or your trios wonít be often or regular, just whenever possible.  Just watching a bit of Morecambe vs Solihull, and The Moors are still nippy, quick, and slippery enough to worry the league side, 2-2 at the moment.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: dillydilly on November 28, 2020, 02:27:35 PM
Didnít mean Ed - meant KES, (predictive text)...   Canít we put a bid in for that Solihull nipsters, Archer - he frightens the life out of Morecambeís big links at the back !
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on November 28, 2020, 05:39:05 PM
Well not the result or the performance many hoped for but maybe what some expected. 

Been a while since we reached the 2nd round of the FA Cup and no reason to think now we wonít have a few return visits over the next few years.

The Club has come a long way since they kicked of their first season down at UCL level.  So today should be kept in context with where we have come from.

Tuesday night itís back to the bread and butter stuff of League points.  We have bounced back before from a dicking and Iím sure IC will put this one down to experience and move on.   Sometimes even with a free hit you can come unstuck.

Good experience for some the younger players
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: KES80 on November 28, 2020, 05:46:35 PM
A spanking....but not humiliation.
A couple of crackers from Pompey...but 2 poor goals conceded from....yep you guessed it, corners.
The first one really was a terrible time to concede.
Much higher class opposition, but similar lessons, it seemed to me.

Let's hope for a reaction ! :laughcry:
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Realist on November 28, 2020, 05:55:08 PM
Forgetting the competition for a moment, at the end of the day the issue of conceding corners will not go away, we seem to have the height, but not the ability to contest these. It looks to a technique and timing thing not a positional problem. I enjoyed the game, and I like the keeper Mair, he made some fine saves in open play and has made himself wide on the ground frequently in recent games. I suspect he is going to have to change his plan and get out and punch / catch some of these corners until the defence organise a method to reduce the free headers on offer. The game started with a free header and ended in exactly the same way with the ball just missing the target.

Good level to play for the club after beating Port Vale. Gash, despite the hair which we will have to learn to like! is very good news.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: kenny r on November 28, 2020, 06:26:58 PM
But you have picked 12 players!
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: gs50 on November 28, 2020, 07:22:57 PM
In my opinion goalkeepers need to start attacking corners and not standing on goalline.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on November 28, 2020, 08:02:47 PM
Great to see Non League Chorley went to London Road and beat Posh 2-1
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 28, 2020, 08:21:37 PM
Great to see Non League Chorley went to London Road and beat Posh 2-1

Result of the day.

How much did they earn with that performance and result?
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on November 28, 2020, 08:45:09 PM
Guess it depends who they pull out of the pot for the next round.  Live Saturday/Sunday spot could be worth a mint to a Non League Club
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: TonyM on November 29, 2020, 08:32:51 AM
Well not the result or the performance many hoped for but maybe what some expected. 

Spot on. 

Positives to take away from the cup run - cash (always welcome but particularly in these times although considerably less than would have been the case for a similar run in previous years), great result at Port Vale that IC can point back to, chance for some of the younger players to see the levels required (lets be honest, Portsmouth looked like they still had a few more gears if necessary).  Negatives - crowds unable to be involved, could argue that existing problems within the squad were laid bare but we won't be coming up against that standard every week so should maybe temper any criticism.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: jackdaw on November 29, 2020, 10:23:14 AM
gs50 At last someone on the same wavelength, keeper 6ft 5ins should be commanding the penalty area let alone 6 yd box, no better than previous
keeper good shot stopper but must be more aggressive in the box and actually want the ball. Shot stoppers you can go over the park and watch kids
doing that. Why on earth premiership keepers need a coach is beyond me they have in lots of cases been with the club since they were 8 years old.
Sorry if I have upset anyone .  :oldman"
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: dillydilly on November 29, 2020, 10:26:57 AM
I thought there was a big lesson to be learned from the Chorley performance.  I watched the game, and they were every bit as good as Píbro, after a lot of defending in the first half.  They picked a team that was capable of spending almost half the game in the opponentís half, then defending with 9 or 10, when necessary, obviously not only defenders.  That meant Píboro attacked them far less than Portsmouth did us.  Worried that Mair makes great saves but is nowhere on corners and crosses.  And King must start, home or away.  IMHO....  Stay safe.......
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: KES80 on November 29, 2020, 11:13:52 AM
Yes agreed, Mair a great shot stopper but can't rely on the defence to clear balls which he could and should come for....same applies sometimes to rushing out of the box when we have been done for pace.
He has to learn that he has to take up the slack when he has defenders in front of him who are doing their utmost but when it comes down to it are still part timers against full time pros.


Re Pboro Dilly, the major diff was that Pboro were very poor on the day and Portsmouth right on it.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: gs50 on November 29, 2020, 11:41:20 AM
Very surprised not to see Kelly in the squad is he injured.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Frattonchris on November 29, 2020, 11:57:33 AM
Just like to add my twopennorth.

Very sad that there were no spectators.  Having said that, I remember being away at west Brom. once and we were 4-0 down at half time.  And glad it was ONLY 4-0!  It was snowing that afternoon and I was in the uncovered part  of the away section.  So being there is not always the most enjoyable of experiences.

I thought Kings Lynn did not give up and fought to the end.  Huge respect for that as it was not the most comfortble experience for your players.  If they dig in like that in all your remaining games this season you should finish well.  (Althogh, as a few of you have said, a little more practice defending corners is probably in order.

All the best, guys and here's to the second time we meet.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: dillydilly on November 29, 2020, 12:47:00 PM
Ye Godz, I think weíre all more or less in agreement.  I particularly agreed with KES and Jackdaw.  kenny r - you were right about the Dilly team having 12 players.  Well spotted.  I thought it was our best chance, if no one noticed !  My only thing, and apols for banging on about it, is that having a team capable of attacking them is a better way of defending than picking 3 CHs and defensive ď coverersĒ in front.  It was as though Chorley were told to shoot on sight and ours were told to shoot whenever we crossed the half way line !  But look, weíre all on the same side.  Letís go, in the league.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Spreston7 on November 29, 2020, 12:51:05 PM
Hopefully we can be more like Chorley who were relegated from our league and are bottom of the north. I think we can forgot about this result and put it down as a great day out for the football club, as we wont face any one nearly as good as Pompey again this season.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on November 29, 2020, 01:05:04 PM
With regard to Mair a lot will depend on his Keeper coach at Norwich.    If itís drilled him to him to let defenders deal with corners then thatís what he is going to do.  Keepers coming for corners in a crowed box ainít always easy if there is traffic in his way.  An opponent can quite easily Ďpiní a keeper to stop him getting out in amongst.

Just saying itís not as simple as some are suggesting.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 29, 2020, 01:41:01 PM
And of course "learning", is exactly what he's here for!
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: dillydilly on November 29, 2020, 02:02:33 PM
Sacrilege coming up, but I suspect Alex Streetís ďspiritĒ might have saved some of the goals weíve been losing.  He had a brave and determined way that may not have gone as far as Mairís might take him, but he often kept us in games.  We didnít lose the 2 games he played in this season .....and I think he wouldnít have been grounded with some of the high balls yesterday.  No, Portsmouth were very good, but we didnít play well, overall.  But we are good enough to stay in this league - the main thing.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: KES80 on November 29, 2020, 03:05:21 PM
Agreed Dilly...I think that's the thing...Alex had grown as a keeper, while those defending in front were growing.
Alex got to know their weaknesses and they his.
He often sprinted out to cover the lack of pace in front of him.....he often came for crosses, appreciative of the lack of height.

Mair is presumably being coached to play with the defences at Norwich and not with the Lynn line up, for at least some of the week.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on November 29, 2020, 03:27:45 PM
Think the Street/Mair issue has been done to death.  Mair is out new no 1.   Alex did a fantastic job taking over from Danny Gay.  A grew as a keeper with each level wee moved up to.   Sadly he decided he didnít fancy the fight for the no1 shirt and wanted A regular spot.  Who can blame him. 

Time we moved on, the same as Alex.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: KES80 on November 29, 2020, 04:30:37 PM
We weren't opening the debate again Mall in who should be behind the sticks......just that there is a need to get the defending from set pieces sorted...that requires the keeper and defence to be close knit and on the same page.
To use an oft used word from IC, we have a different type of transition going on.....defence getting used to keeper and vice versa. Effectively a full time keeper with a part time defence and different expectations as to who should be doing what.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on November 30, 2020, 08:27:42 AM
KES itís like saying IF we had Norman at right back and Blake-Tracy at left then these crosses wouldnít be coming ( not re starts obviously).  If Ryan Fryatt was onboard he would be dealing with these aerial balls more effectively.    Fact Is they ainít there.

Saturday two centre halfís had Ďfreebiesí from re-starts.   No challenge, no one attempting to check or block their runs.   Letís hope the new lad McFadden can get things organised at the back.

Saturday we would have got beat, no doubts. Far superior side.  However the margin of defeat could have been at more acceptable level.   We are still not making teams work hard enough for their goals.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: gs50 on November 30, 2020, 11:26:17 AM
What you have to remember Mallard is that a goalkeeper can use his hands.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Spreston7 on November 30, 2020, 11:33:22 AM
Ryan Fryatt's absence is most certainly not the reason we are conceding from set plays. You only have to look at the few games he played last year to see that and Kettering's games this year and see how many goals he is at fault for. I think we improved our record from set plays since we went to a zonal marking system but the strong full time athletes at Portsmouth obviously were always going to cause us problems in that department.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 30, 2020, 12:58:34 PM
I think a problem we have at the moment is that we are capable of conceding 5 goals no matter what team we play against.  :dontknow:

I suppose as long as we score more than the opposition, then that problem is not so important.

 :scarf:
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: TonyM on November 30, 2020, 01:37:40 PM
I think a problem we have at the moment is that we are capable of conceding 5 goals no matter what team we play against.  :dontknow:

and with very little scope to change personnel from within the current squad.  Hopefully with time we can build on the last couple of league clean sheets (albeit a fortunate one against a very poor Dover side) and maybe rebalance the squad (one forward out, one defender in?)

Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Spreston7 on November 30, 2020, 01:40:57 PM
Who would you get rid of TonyM?
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: TonyM on November 30, 2020, 05:33:28 PM
Who would you get rid of TonyM?

Not a case of 'getting rid of' aany individual more a case of being practical - if the budget is a finite pot and we can only have 16 in the matchday squad which, if we are going to be playing a 'back 5', means there will be limited opportunities for the forwards to make the 16.  Being realistic the 16 will be something like this:

Keeper (no sub) - Mair
Defenders - 5 + 1 sub - Jones, Barrows, McFadden, Smith, McAuley, Brown, Fleming (7)
Midfield - 3 + 2 subs - Clunan, Richards, Jarvis, Kelly, Carey, King (6)
Forwards - 2 + 2 subs - Marriott, Gash, Mitchell, Southwell, Loza, Power (6)

Even allowing for injuries, rotation, suspensions the squad still looks a bit 'forward heavy' and 'defender light' to me - maybe Fleming is that player but I don't see him putting pressure on any of the other defenders for their place.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: dillydilly on November 30, 2020, 11:11:17 PM
We canít block or check opponents runs in the penalty area.  We would concede penalties !  Itís ok in American football ( not soccer !).  And I canít see that weíre defender heavy - we had 3 CHs on Sat, and 3 more defenders plus a GK.  Thatís why we hardly get in their half against good teams.  Chorley are virtually bottom of NLDiv 1 Nth, yet they were in Píbroís half as often as the other way round.  Attacking is defending too....  OK, now for Bromley......All IMHO, Weíre all on the same side, just pooling ideas, but not sure IC has it right yet, maybe he should get us all in !
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Spreston7 on November 30, 2020, 11:18:36 PM
A bit of a reality check needed though, we are 14th in the conference with one of the lowest budgets in our first season. I think IC and the coaching staff have got it more than right.  :banghead;
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: TonyM on December 01, 2020, 08:24:29 AM
A bit of a reality check needed though, we are 14th in the conference with one of the lowest budgets in our first season. I think IC and the coaching staff have got it more than right.  :banghead;

Fully accept that mid table is a good position and would be more than happy if IC and the squad can maintain that for the rest of the season but not sure that we are 'one of the lowest budgets' in this league - yes there are a few big spenders but plenty in or around where we supposedly are and I would imagine some are a good bit lower.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on December 01, 2020, 09:46:47 AM
SC said in a previous podcast that the outgoings of the club are over 100k per month.   Iím sure we have a reasonable budget for this League.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: KES80 on December 01, 2020, 12:13:10 PM
A bit of a reality check needed though, we are 14th in the conference with one of the lowest budgets in our first season. I think IC and the coaching staff have got it more than right.  :banghead;

We can finish higher than 14th tho
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Paul47 on December 01, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
A bit of a reality check needed though, we are 14th in the conference with one of the lowest budgets in our first season. I think IC and the coaching staff have got it more than right.  :banghead;

Always get more posts on here when we lose than when we win - hardly any after beating Dover.

14th place finish would be great for the first season at this level.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Spreston7 on December 01, 2020, 12:46:34 PM
 I know as a fact we are in the lowest 5 for the budget in this league so will not argue that.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on December 01, 2020, 12:49:54 PM
Unless a member of the Clubs senior management (or its Accountant/book keeper) I have no idea how anyone would know what our own budget really is, let alone what other Clubs are.   :dontknow:

When it comes to budgets, its usually speculation.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on December 01, 2020, 01:00:36 PM


14th place finish would be great for the first season at this level.

Have to agree 100% with that one Paul.  One place above the bottom 3 would do for me, but I think as a squad we are better than that.

Loma  saying we are a better side than the Woking team he was part of last season tells me we will be ok.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on December 01, 2020, 01:10:52 PM
Unless a member of the Clubs senior management (or its Accountant/book keeper) I have no idea how anyone would know what our own budget really is, let alone what other Clubs are.   :dontknow:

When it comes to budgets, its usually speculation.

Yes all this Ď I know more than youí stuff cuts very little ice. 
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: KES80 on December 01, 2020, 04:43:27 PM
People say "as long as we survive" this season but..

we should strive to be the best we can and without putting targets or unnecessary pressure on anyone, I can see the defensive frailties gradually being sorted and Lynn ending up doing a lot, lot better than just surviving.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on December 01, 2020, 05:53:58 PM
The Non League pundits had us in a relegation fight.  Think we are a bit better than that.  Mid table is a decent aim for us.  This is season is our first Ďsightedí at this level.   Lots Iím sure has been learnt.

SC has backed his club with two promotions so far by bankrolling those promotions and Iím sure he will carry on with that MO to achieve is aim of Football League.    All about getting the timing right.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on December 01, 2020, 06:23:08 PM


SC has backed his club with two promotions so far by bankrolling those promotions and Iím sure he will carry on with that MO to achieve is aim of Football League. 

Have to agree with that. He's used his own methods to get the Club this far. Changing things now would seem pointless.
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: dillydilly on December 01, 2020, 06:30:26 PM
We mustnít fall back into the trap of thinking loads of defenders will keep teams out for 90 minutes.  It worked against Port Vale because those tactics can win games, but not consistently, just occasionally.  So the Dilly team has been selected to frighten the life out of them tonight.  We should still have 9 or 10 behind the ball when they get out from our pushing them back.  The Dilly team....  Mair;  Barrows, McFadden, McCauley, Brown; Richards, King, Loza, Power ; Mitchell, Southwell/Marriott.  Subs Kelly, Carey, Gash, Clunan, Bastock.  Iím doing this for nothing !
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: KES80 on December 01, 2020, 06:37:14 PM
I knew there was one Dilly......... wouldn't catch me on here posting for free...time is money after all :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: dillydilly on December 01, 2020, 06:48:13 PM
I like it KES, I like it !!!.....
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: dillydilly on December 01, 2020, 06:50:16 PM
Have to say I meant to put Richards/Carey - havenít made my mind up.....
Title: Re: FA CUP
Post by: Mallard on December 01, 2020, 07:21:17 PM
Couple of nipsters  in for Lynn toNight Dilly
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