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Title: V Hornchurch
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 14, 2021, 12:30:12 PM
It would appear that the subject of streaming the match against Hornchurch is creating some interest.


https://www.fansfocus.com/topic/204015-please-read-streaming-against-kings-lynn-town/
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Dilligaf on January 14, 2021, 03:13:16 PM
Well...at least we know if it's not streamed...its because Mr Cleeve wouldn't back down and allow his fanbase to watch it for free.... :red card:
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on January 14, 2021, 06:20:03 PM
I wonder how he’ll spin this one?
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: TonyM on January 14, 2021, 07:02:44 PM
I wonder how he’ll spin this one?

On the podcast and in the SC's EDP column - https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/stephen-cleeve-column-6891258

"Our FA Cup game against Portsmouth in a normal environment would have been a great financial fillip for the club. Sadly, the home club lost £5,967.42 putting the game on and we of course rightly need to pay half of this, as our share of the losses. So imagine my surprise when I heard that Hornchurch were going to give the streaming away for our FA Trophy game next week and ask for donations in return to their supporters’ club."

Basically SC thinks Hornchurch are 'pulling a fast one' in that if they charged for the stream 50% would come to KL, however by asking for 'donations' they keep all the potential income.  Now you can argue this both ways and I can see SC's point but it certainly isn't winning the club any fans, particularly with a lower league club who are not getting any income at present.  Maybe a better option would have been to explain the situation and, given that we are hardly likely to be talking huge £s, SC could have asked Lynn fans to make their own mind up and for those that thought Hornchurch's stance was unfair to make a contribution to Lynn instead.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: gs50 on January 14, 2021, 07:36:56 PM
how the hell could a loss have been made in the Portsmouth game it was televised live didn't we get money from that.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on January 14, 2021, 07:50:32 PM
how the hell could a loss have been made in the Portsmouth game it was televised live didn't we get money from that.

Poverty is being pleaded here. Posts suggesting otherwise are not helpful.  :countingmoney:
I read in the Mirror today that National League clubs are looking for sponsors to pay for their players Covid tests. You cannot make it up. :laughcry:
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Nemesis on January 14, 2021, 07:51:16 PM
I would agree that it is bad form to ask for donations to the supporters' club. For a league match maybe but not for a cup match where under normal circumstances gate money would be shared.

Although Mr Cleeve has heard this has anyone actually seen this anywhere?
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 14, 2021, 08:01:38 PM


Poverty is being pleaded here. Posts suggesting otherwise are not helpful.  :countingmoney:
I read in the Mirror today that National League clubs are looking for sponsors to pay for their players Covid tests. You cannot make it up. :laughcry:

I can't see many coming forward on this one, if the results we have on shirt sponsorship is anything to go by!

www.kltown.co.uk/first-team/
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Mallard on January 14, 2021, 08:37:50 PM
Makes you wonder if the Commercial General Manager is furloughed again, apart from Saturday where he does the commentary on the streaming. 
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: exile dart on January 14, 2021, 10:24:49 PM
First post. Moved to near KL two months ago. Ex Dart (1974 FA trophy final at Wembley, losing to Morecambe). Lived a couple of miles from Hornchurch the past 20 years. Took my stepson as a lad to athletics training at the stadium. He became Essex cross country champion up to U17 for Mayesbrook athletic club
Good memories of the place but will be supporting the Linnets. COYL
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 14, 2021, 10:29:01 PM
First post. Moved to near KL two months ago. Ex Dart (1974 FA trophy final at Wembley, losing to Morecambe). Lived a couple of miles from Hornchurch the past 20 years. Took my stepson as a lad to athletics training at the stadium. He became Essex cross country champion up to U17 for Mayesbrook athletic club
Good memories of the place but will be supporting the Linnets. COYL

Welcome.    :scarf:
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Mallard on January 15, 2021, 08:35:15 AM
Streaming £7 for Linnets fans and £2 for Hornchurch fans ( by way of a £5 bar rebate)

From the Hornchurch website


Alex Sharp, Hornchurch chairman, said on the streaming “Following discussions with King’s Lynn Town FC, the decision has been taken for KLTFC to stream Saturday’s FA Trophy game at a charge of £7.  Hornchurch would like to offer any of our supporters who decide to stream the game from home a £5 bar credit once we are able to play football again at the stadium. If you intend to stream the game, please keep a record of your purchase so we can honour the bar credit.  Keep safe and enjoy the game”.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Luke89 on January 15, 2021, 11:06:42 AM
Morning Linnets fans, a friendly Hornchurch fan and supporters association committee member here. Having read some of the comments on here I feel as though some explanation is needed -

- Hornchurch Supporters Association is a non profit part of the club who support the club and raise money for charity as well as fundraising for community projects.

- we spent near on £1000 of our money to buy the camera, microphones etc to film games for our fans. (Kings Lynn Game would have been the 1st)

- these games were going to be streamed for FREE to all fans. If fans wanted to they could donate however much they wanted for the free stream but this wasn’t necessary. We were doing this for the fans and the community

- money donated would’ve gone towards paying for the filming equipment although we know we wouldn’t have got the £1000 back

- the game is now £7 thanks to lots of hard work from our club to yours to make it fair for all fans to watch during the current climate. The chairman of Hornchurch is gifting fans who buy the game a £5 bar credit when we open again. This is obviously more then the £3.50 we will get from Kings Lynn for the streaming fee.

- Also, the rationale behind the donation approach certainly wasn't to "pull a fast one".  We had visited Hampton & Richmond in the FA Cup, along with Tonbridge Angels and Dulwich Hamlet in the Trophy.  All 3 National South sides streamed for free with an optional donation element.

As an example, Dulwich's justgiving page for their stream:  https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/dhfctv

We never looked at these free streams as money lost, nor did we expect to take a cut of their donations, we were just extremely pleased that our supporters could get to watch their team in a behind closed doors fixture.

I feel the above explains a lot of the maybe unjustified comments on here and hopefully there will be a lot more understanding now that we wanted to give this game to the fans for free!

Good Luck Saturday, Luke
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 15, 2021, 11:14:10 AM
Morning Linnets fans, a friendly Hornchurch fan and supporters association committee member here. Having read some of the comments on here I feel as though some explanation is needed -

- Hornchurch Supporters Association is a non profit part of the club who support the club and raise money for charity as well as fundraising for community projects.

- we spent near on £1000 of our money to buy the camera, microphones etc to film games for our fans. (Kings Lynn Game would have been the 1st)

- these games were going to be streamed for FREE to all fans. If fans wanted to they could donate however much they wanted for the free stream but this wasn’t necessary. We were doing this for the fans and the community

- money donated would’ve gone towards paying for the filming equipment although we know we wouldn’t have got the £1000 back

- the game is now £7 thanks to lots of hard work from our club to yours to make it fair for all fans to watch during the current climate. The chairman of Hornchurch is gifting fans who buy the game a £5 bar credit when we open again. This is obviously more then the £3.50 we will get from Kings Lynn for the streaming fee.

- Also, the rationale behind the donation approach certainly wasn't to "pull a fast one".  We had visited Hampton & Richmond in the FA Cup, along with Tonbridge Angels and Dulwich Hamlet in the Trophy.  All 3 National South sides streamed for free with an optional donation element.

As an example, Dulwich's justgiving page for their stream:  https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/dhfctv

We never looked at these free streams as money lost, nor did we expect to take a cut of their donations, we were just extremely pleased that our supporters could get to watch their team in a behind closed doors fixture.

I feel the above explains a lot of the maybe unjustified comments on here and hopefully there will be a lot more understanding now that we wanted to give this game to the fans for free!

Good Luck Saturday, Luke

Thanks for the explanation Luke. I would guess that most Lynn fans would have realised what your Club would have come up against during any negotiations. Nice to see such a matter being treated as a Community project and for the fans.

Well done to all involved.

Good luck (although not too much) for tomorrow.

 :scarf:
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Mallard on January 15, 2021, 11:43:08 AM
In fairness Hornchurch are a community based club and obviously are doing their bit to foster those aims, and all credit to them.   Kings Lynn under our current stewardship are not a community based clubs, despite their endeavours to say otherwise.

We have to realise that we are punching way above our weight and that has to be paid for.  100k plus per month takes a lot of finding.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: KES80 on January 16, 2021, 05:13:05 PM
Well, well..........

It seems to me that IC generally has little interest in the cup competitions.

The line up picked and the rather tame finish, seems to bear that out....but maybe I am being a bit unfair and showing bitterness so soon after the final whistle.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Mallard on January 16, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
To be fair Hornchurch were fresh as they had t played or trained for weeks.

Thought SC’s comments that we lacked creativity were a little harsh.

League game Tuesday I bet we will be looking for a reaction.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: mrzanussi on January 16, 2021, 05:25:30 PM
I'm afraid I agree after Marriotts miss, Gashy should have drilled his. Kings shot froze so only heard Marks comment.
People will feel cheated after the effort shown today but we are Lynn and continue to support good or bad. They are our club and we will be back at the walks one day!
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Dilligaf on January 16, 2021, 05:27:16 PM
Oooh I dont know about the line up...looks like IC put out a team of slippery nipsters...thought dilly must have been in touch.
Surely that side should have been good enough to deal with a team from isthmian league :dontknow:
But then maybe IC hasn't got the tactical nouse of dilly
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: gs50 on January 16, 2021, 05:29:19 PM
Thought Chairman was spot on we had nothing in midfield they went through us without tackles at times. Great believer if you have the players to win a game you should use them.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 16, 2021, 05:31:14 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/sport/linnets-humbled-by-ishmian-league-minnows-hornchurch-in-the-fa-trophy-9148600/



Match stats

Shots on target: Lynn 6; Hornchurch 8.

Shots off target: Lynn 8; Hornchurch 11.

Corners: Lynn 6; Hornchurch 6.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Ap on January 16, 2021, 07:37:30 PM
Well, well..........

It seems to me that IC generally has little interest in the cup competitions.


Removed from FA competitions by lower league oppo 3 times in 3 seasons (we were already out by the time IC returned in 2018); Mildenhall, Nantwich and now Hornchurch.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 16, 2021, 08:17:43 PM
Thought Chairman was spot on we had nothing in midfield they went through us without tackles at times. Great believer if you have the players to win a game you should use them.

With the Chairman giving us his thoughts, I was looking forward to the Managers interview.

Apparently IC decided not to give one today, which is a shame imo.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Mallard on January 16, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
In fairness what can he come out and say ?

Words to the effect that we got beaten by the better side.  Which is a hard thing to admit and justify when the team that beats us is 3 levels lower.

We seem to take one step forward and one step back.   Maybe we have a decent strong 11/12, but the back up squad just isn’t good enough
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Dilligaf on January 16, 2021, 08:32:22 PM
I think he would have said....it was a game of 2 halves....but ultimately the buck stops with me as I picked the side  :dontknow:
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 16, 2021, 09:13:44 PM
In fairness what can he come out and say ?

Anything would do.

Supporters starved of not only football, but also contact with the Club.

Good opportunity (and how many more will there be this season), for Club to engage with supporters.

What's the point of Media if its not used?   :dontknow:
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: KES80 on January 17, 2021, 10:42:10 AM
Just reflecting on the strange events of yesterday and feel a little bemused.
If someone had asked me at the start of the season as to whether the Trophy would be of interest this season, I would have said no, absolutely not, just concentrate on staying in the league.

Fast forward 3/4 months and my answer is different. There was an extra £3750 plus revenue from future rounds lost yesterday........just 3 further matches to get to Wembley and provide a little relief from the grind of the league and extra belief and interest for squad and fans alike. Would a maximum of 3 more matches really derail the league effort....I think it unlikely.

Things may stabilise , virus wise, from here on in, but if not and if league football has to stop for the season, the Trophy might have provided some remaining interest....as Hornchurch are finding....had they lost yesterday that probably would have been the end of their season.

So all in all a disappointing day yesterday.......inconsistency in performance (and for various reasons, the inability to get a settled eleven out on the pitch) continue  to be an issue. Perhaps with the departure of Power, who to my mind tho talented, wasn't a natural fit with the existing team pattern, more consistency in both areas will return.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: dillydilly on January 17, 2021, 11:26:01 AM
Dilligaf and KES are my sparring partners this Sunday morning, and very welcome they are too.  Dilligaf - Putting out a team of slippery nipsters is exactly what IC DIDN’T do yesterday.  I went through the team sheet before the game, and despaired that we had virtually no route to goal.  And, morning KES- I don’t get these ideas (not just yours) that Power either had “loads to learn” or that he didn’t fit into the team pattern.  I thought the team didn’t fit into HIS pattern, as he was obviously the one who could at any moment go on to bigger things.  Still, food for thought, and I do appreciate yours, and often agree with them, but often not !!!
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Dilligaf on January 17, 2021, 12:10:56 PM
I tend to slightly disagree dilly with your opinion of the line up. Carey, Mitchell, southwell and clunan...all in the starting line up...2 of which are in the top 4 scorers for Lynn this season.
And the amount of chances created seemed to say the creativity was there.
The fact the chances were not converted into goals was the issue. And if that side were not capable of disposing of a team 3 levels below them....then there in lies the problem....a good 0-0 draw against a Torquay side will soon fade into irrelevance
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: KES80 on January 17, 2021, 12:22:42 PM
Afternoon Dilly !

Well at least you agree that there was a mis match between Power and the rest of the team.

However, unsurprisingly :laughcry: :laughcry: your suggestion that the team should fit around or change their style or up their game for one man is preposterous.....you have exposed yourself at last
 :laughcry:

IMO Power was simply too quick on his feet for most of the squad to keep up.....and there was a tendency to over use him when other options would have been better.

Wish him all the best at Harrogate.....in a professional full time set up, with speedier players all around him, he may become more part of a team, rather than a lone ranger.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: admin on January 17, 2021, 02:46:25 PM
Match highlights . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw-u2VqWyRo
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: dillydilly on January 17, 2021, 04:35:56 PM
Except, KES, I didn’t say the team should have changed to suit him, or that there was a mismatch.  I just think he had so many defensive p,Ayers in his games that they couldn’t move forward with him.  Anyway, L’pool vs Man U ....  L’pool on paper have too many slippery nipsters for MU, at least on paper.  And they have the great Thiago....
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: KES80 on January 17, 2021, 06:45:25 PM
 nice diversionary attempt Dilly, but Liverpool v Man Utd irrelevant ..this is a Kings Lynn Forum
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: KES80 on January 17, 2021, 06:49:00 PM
Once again we appear to differ my friend.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: KES80 on January 17, 2021, 07:13:32 PM
Thanks for highlights Admin....... good to see after time has elapsed....have to say Lynn looking a bit lightweight at times...... especially in one or two areas
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: macfleetwood1 on January 18, 2021, 04:13:06 PM
Now the dust has settled, i must say how polite Lynn fans are getting, because that performance Saturday was pathetic, there was no passion, quality, drive, good technique , there was nothing.
It looked like we didn't want to be there. And what a brilliant idea to give the 3 subs the first penalties. They  were awful. I cant remember such a feeble attempt to win a football match. Perhaps i should take out the word win, it  was never going to happen.   
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Paul47 on January 18, 2021, 05:08:47 PM
Now the dust has settled, i must say how polite Lynn fans are getting, because that performance Saturday was pathetic, there was no passion, quality, drive, good technique , there was nothing.
It looked like we didn't want to be there. And what a brilliant idea to give the 3 subs the first penalties. They  were awful. I cant remember such a feeble attempt to win a football match. Perhaps i should take out the word win, it  was never going to happen.

Don't agree about all the pens - though Marriott hit his ok just a good save by the keeper (who was excellent) Maybe in hindsight too many changes?
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: Mallard on January 18, 2021, 05:17:27 PM
Our reward HAD we won on Saturday ...

Maidstone at home
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: KES80 on January 19, 2021, 02:54:23 PM
Been drawn at home to Maidstone in the round of 16........ certainly winnable....Lynn could and should have been through to the quarter finals at least
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: dillydilly on January 19, 2021, 03:13:33 PM
We had very few players likely to cause them any problems, at least until the subs, who we should have started with.  Hornchurch had all the players, nipsters, and creators.  Still think Sam K and King would shine in a positive line-up.
Title: Re: V Hornchurch
Post by: admin on February 06, 2021, 04:59:50 PM
Hornchurch 5 Maidstone 4
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