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Title: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 18, 2021, 05:05:51 PM
 https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/sport/linnets-national-league-season-under-severe-threat-because-of-funding-uncertainty-9148746/
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: gs50 on January 18, 2021, 05:35:33 PM
Don't think he is asking for money he is asking to be treated same as theatres and cinemas ie help by way of grants not loans which i think is reasonable.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 18, 2021, 05:42:15 PM
Surely Cinemas and Theatres are open more than one and sometimes twice a week ?   Thatís like comparing eggs with oranges.

Clubs were given money as a gift for the the opening 3 months of the year.   I can find nothing where any mention was made of money being gifted beyond that.  Maybe, just maybe clubs should have cut their cloth accordingly, and not continue to spend money they may not have access to.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Dilligaf on January 18, 2021, 06:38:32 PM
Precisely mallard.....how will the west Norfolk MP react when he receives the chairmans cry for help correspondence, only to read that on the same day he recieved it Lynn made a new signing??
It's quite obvious that there is a certain element in parliament that does not like football.
This only aids their resentment towards football and unfortunately hinders the cry for help from.clubs genuinely in trouble IMO
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: gs50 on January 18, 2021, 06:58:28 PM
Can't see in his  tweet where he has asked for finacial help. Football stadiums Theatre's and Cinemas were told they could not have audiences. Theatres and Cinemas received grants not loans. Following on from this the clubs have had  Grant upto January whether the government provides father grants or loans that's the argument. Personally if clubs can't continue  either suspend  season or cancel season.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 18, 2021, 06:58:44 PM
Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

44m
I understand that the DCMS has indicated to the National League that their £11m of funding will be in loans.

Grants will only be available in exceptional circumstances.

The National League is encouraging clubs to contact their local MP to ask them to lobby DCMS.



Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

31m
Replying to
@Ollie_Bayliss
Many clubs are extremely concerned about the funding situation & reluctant to take on loans.

Some would prefer to furlough players & staff rather than continue playing the season.

The League will meet with clubs on Wednesday to discuss the situation.


Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Dilligaf on January 18, 2021, 07:12:35 PM
If a grant isn't free financial help then I dont know what is.... :dontknow:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 18, 2021, 07:25:42 PM
Wouldnít matter how many came into or how many left.  If there is no money then it seems there is no option other than to pull the plug on the season.

How many can say this is really not the right decision?
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: YellowLinnet on January 18, 2021, 08:30:28 PM
Sorry but this club is becoming an embarrassment. How can we be signing all these new players and secretary but still beg for help?
Weíre run by clowns.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Paul47 on January 18, 2021, 08:56:43 PM
I find in interesting that when other clubs sign players their fans are usually saying things like ďwelcome to the clubĒ, ďgood signingĒ and ďlook forward to seeing him playĒ and getting behind the club & player.

Then you look at our forum........
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 18, 2021, 08:57:26 PM
I blame the world we live in and the systems in place, rather than the club itself.

I believe the Chairman is in a really tough position. The bottom.line is that Lynn have to do everything they can to stay in the league. Barnet are strengthening massively with new signings, Chesterfield have already done it, Yeovil too......even Weymouth are introducing an extra training day and considering paying for players accommodation on future signings in order to be able to attract new, better players. So if you don't strengthen, you are in a pickle if the league continues..... and if you do strengthen, you are then potentially struggling financially if the grant money fails to arrive...but struggling along with tens of others in the Non league Elite set up... so maybe it's a more comfortable position to strengthen and use the combined voice of many than not strengthen and be isolated and in real danger of relegation.......What a mad world

and finally...welcome Tyler, may your stay here be a long and enjoyable one...COYL
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 18, 2021, 08:20:48 PM
Have we heard of any Clubs who havenít paid their players yet ?   I guess the crunch time will come at the end of the month.

I wonder what kind of reaction Clubs will get from players when they might be thinking I might not get paid for this ?
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Paul47 on January 18, 2021, 08:57:25 PM
At least this story has a proper thread and itís not all under a player signing.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on January 18, 2021, 10:47:40 PM
Might be a controversial opinion, but J donít think NL clubs should get grants this time around. In the first, quite generous tranche of grants, it prompted a signing spree across the league. To speculate with a grant (which is what signing new players is) when it was unclear that any more would be forthcoming was naive at best.

Given what the first batch went out, one cannot blame the government, of whichever Iím not much of a fan off, for wanting security for the taxpayers funds this time around. And on broader point, given the miserly FSM boxes being sent out and the current furore over £20, I donít think football should be near the top of the list for more funds.

SC certainly still needs some help with his PR, he seems not to appreciate the cognitive dissonance of his two pronouncements today.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Paul47 on January 19, 2021, 07:58:51 AM
Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

44m
I understand that the DCMS has indicated to the National League that their £11m of funding will be in loans.

Grants will only be available in exceptional circumstances.

The National League is encouraging clubs to contact their local MP to ask them to lobby DCMS.



Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

31m
Replying to
@Ollie_Bayliss
Many clubs are extremely concerned about the funding situation & reluctant to take on loans.

Some would prefer to furlough players & staff rather than continue playing the season.

The League will meet with clubs on Wednesday to discuss the situation.

Reading the first part of that Mr Cleeve is only doing what the league has suggested by contacting our local MP??
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 19, 2021, 08:35:13 AM
Of course SC will do what he can to protect his business, and rightly so.

However taking a lead from the organisation who didnít have the foresight to put in a proper financial structure in place before allowing the season to kick off should be a worry.

Seems  the NL has sold its  Clubs a right pup.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 19, 2021, 09:16:04 AM

Seems  the NL has sold its  Clubs a right pup.

Very easy to do when you are selling what the buyer wants (to hear).
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Grissles Oleary on January 19, 2021, 09:29:44 AM
I blame those pesky Russians. :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on January 19, 2021, 11:48:22 AM
Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

44m
I understand that the DCMS has indicated to the National League that their £11m of funding will be in loans.

Grants will only be available in exceptional circumstances.

The National League is encouraging clubs to contact their local MP to ask them to lobby DCMS.


Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

31m
Replying to
@Ollie_Bayliss
Many clubs are extremely concerned about the funding situation & reluctant to take on loans.

Some would prefer to furlough players & staff rather than continue playing the season.

The League will meet with clubs on Wednesday to discuss the situation.

I cant see what the Clubs problem is with loans. There always seem to be some mentioned in the Annual Accounts. :countingmoney:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 19, 2021, 11:49:55 AM
Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

44m
I understand that the DCMS has indicated to the National League that their £11m of funding will be in loans.

Grants will only be available in exceptional circumstances.

The National League is encouraging clubs to contact their local MP to ask them to lobby DCMS.


Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

31m
Replying to
@Ollie_Bayliss
Many clubs are extremely concerned about the funding situation & reluctant to take on loans.

Some would prefer to furlough players & staff rather than continue playing the season.

The League will meet with clubs on Wednesday to discuss the situation.

I cant see what the Clubs problem is with loans. There always seem to be some mentioned in the Annual Accounts. :countingmoney:

He's got a point!
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Non League on January 19, 2021, 11:50:31 AM
One key reason why I believe clubs are signing players right now (especially down at the bottom), is the desperation to get points on the board quick. Said it at start of season in relation to King's Lynn needing to start season quick, PPG could be used to decide the final table because it's an elite level league, and for promotion/relegation to happen, it can't be null & void.

So if say 7 more games gets played, then clubs across all three leagues say enough is enough, PPG will be used because same squabbles as last season will happen.

From a quick look at unweighted PPG (https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-league/league-table/ppm), King's Lynn right now just about stay up in 20th. Have to start winning more games quickly.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 19, 2021, 11:53:59 AM
One key reason why I believe clubs are signing players right now (especially down at the bottom), is the desperation to get points on the board quick. Said it at start of season in relation to King's Lynn needing to start season quick, PPG could be used to decide the final table because it's an elite level league, and for promotion/relegation to happen, it can't be null & void.

So if say 7 more games gets played, then clubs across all three leagues say enough is enough, PPG will be used because same squabbles as last season will happen.

From a quick look at unweighted PPG (https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-league/league-table/ppm), King's Lynn right now just about stay up in 20th. Have to start winning more games quickly.

I thought it was bottom 4 that get relegated.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: admin on January 19, 2021, 11:55:52 AM
Bottom three go down because of the demise of Macclesfield
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 19, 2021, 12:09:25 PM
Bottom three go down because of the demise of Macclesfield

 :clap:

Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 19, 2021, 12:23:32 PM
One key reason why I believe clubs are signing players right now (especially down at the bottom), is the desperation to get points on the board quick.

Panic buying and stockpiling is frowned upon during a Pandemic.   :laughcry:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 19, 2021, 12:35:26 PM
I think the concerns about PPG are way premature. As I recall a resolution was passed last year  by the NL to enable PPG to be used last season and in future seasons IF 75% of the matches have been played. Less than that it's null and void......I think it's pretty clearly laid out and everyone knows the score.....at least that's my understanding. I think the rush for signings at the moment is emanating from teams nit wanting to be cast adrift at the bottom and the need to get deals done in the January window eg one of Weymouth's signings is from Villa.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: dillydilly on January 19, 2021, 03:09:25 PM
Bad news.  Have to say that any club signing new players is gambling, not planning.  I do think the season should be cancelled, then starting from scratch when it is genuinely safe to do so.  On signings, I believe we have too many players at the moment, including another left-back.  Iím still disappointed we let Nathan Fox go !  Very difficult decisions for all charged to make them, but, considering finance and safety together, I do think we should call a halt for a year.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: admin on January 19, 2021, 10:34:42 PM
DCMS statement - click to enlarge
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Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 20, 2021, 01:36:53 PM
Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

3h
Significant National League meetings will take place this afternoon:

Mark Ives, the interim General Manager of the National League, will meet with clubs from each division.

Theyíll gauge opinions on whether clubs are willing to take on loans in order to continue the season.

If no money is forthcoming will there be any fixtures played this Saturday or will a halt before called ?
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 20, 2021, 02:23:26 PM
Would have thought there would be an announcement of a formal vote for next week....gives time for pressure to be applied on the relevant department by lobbyists, MPs media etc
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 20, 2021, 05:28:38 PM
Clubs asked to email NL on 3 proposed options , last of which is their least preferred of suspending season.Further NL meeting Friday.......all matches to continue this Saturday and following mid week
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 20, 2021, 06:44:41 PM
How will that work KES if the League take out an 11m loan, to be paid back against reduced payments to each club over X number of years.   There will be teams coming up from step 3 and EFL leagues coming down who will be saddled with paying towards a debt they had no benefit from ?
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 20, 2021, 07:11:48 PM
How will that work KES if the League take out an 11m loan, to be paid back against reduced payments to each club over X number of years.   There will be teams coming up from step 3 and EFL leagues coming down who will be saddled with paying towards a debt they had no benefit from ?

You think the Chairmen of the step 1 & 2 Clubs will worry about that?   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 20, 2021, 07:36:15 PM
I don't believe either of the first two options work Mall.........we have to hope that a better solution is found over the next few days to avoid suspension of the season.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 20, 2021, 07:56:53 PM
How will that work KES if the League take out an 11m loan, to be paid back against reduced payments to each club over X number of years.   There will be teams coming up from step 3 and EFL leagues coming down who will be saddled with paying towards a debt they had no benefit from ?

You think the Chairmen of the step 1 & 2 Clubs will worry about that?   :dontknow:

I think the NL have made a right balls up by allowing the season to even start with only a 3 month commitment from the Gov to offer support.  Will they want to make even more Cocks up by saddling future members with debt that is not their responsibility?

Be interesting to hear Stephen Cleeveís thoughts on the situation and whether he is happy to have more debt bestowed on the club.  We are not going to gain promotion and prob not going to suffer relegation, so itís really a nothing season for us.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 20, 2021, 08:13:38 PM
I think its a waste of time even putting the option of the Clubs taking loans,  on the table.

As if they are going to vote for that if there's any other option!
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on January 20, 2021, 08:43:30 PM
How will that work KES if the League take out an 11m loan, to be paid back against reduced payments to each club over X number of years.   There will be teams coming up from step 3 and EFL leagues coming down who will be saddled with paying towards a debt they had no benefit from ?

You think the Chairmen of the step 1 & 2 Clubs will worry about that?   :dontknow:

I think the NL have made a right balls up by allowing the season to even start with only a 3 month commitment from the Gov to offer support.  Will they want to make even more Cocks up by saddling future members with debt that is not their responsibility?

Be interesting to hear Stephen Cleeveís thoughts on the situation and whether he is happy to have more debt bestowed on the club.  We are not going to gain promotion and prob not going to suffer relegation, so itís really a nothing season for us.

He appears to have been happy with debt bestowed on the club in the past, a little bit more will not matter.
I think we will all be surprised at what the Club Owners and Chairman will accept, if it prevents their clubs going out of business, on their watch.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: admin on January 22, 2021, 12:58:05 PM
Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

16m
BREAKING:

The National League North & South have been suspended for 2 weeks.

The decision was made at a League Board meeting this morning, following feedback from clubs.

As a result, tomorrow's games are formally postponed.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Wingwizzard on January 22, 2021, 01:38:10 PM
Well that's the North and south sorted for 2 weeks -  what's are league doing  or are we carrying on ??

I get confused over the whole business at the moment  as to why we are still playing 
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 22, 2021, 01:44:23 PM
You can see where this is heading.

Any money made available will only be for step one Clubs.

Nice maneuver.

#allonefootballfamily


I get confused over the whole business at the moment  as to why we are still playing

I don't think you are the only one!  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 22, 2021, 01:52:49 PM
Maybe the NL committee see that the 11m loan is only enough to see the main league limp through till the end of the season.  5 months running costs is a lot to find.  SC has said it costs in excess of 100k per month to run Lynn.  So thatís half million we need.

Can see arguments to follow when it comes to these loans being repaid by clubs who either donít have the money or are not involved in receiving any of this money.

What a ( blank) mess.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Dilligaf on January 22, 2021, 02:00:13 PM
Cleeves a business man first...with a some what shady past.
£100K per month would, I guess, be on the generous side.... :dontknow:
A little profit being added on if this in fact what is laid on the table
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on January 22, 2021, 02:53:35 PM
Maybe the NL committee see that the 11m loan is only enough to see the main league limp through till the end of the season.  5 months running costs is a lot to find.  SC has said it costs in excess of 100k per month to run Lynn.  So thatís half million we need.

Can see arguments to follow when it comes to these loans being repaid by clubs who either donít have the money or are not involved in receiving any of this money.

What a ( blank) mess.

100k a month????? 25k a week????  Madness.  i'd like to see the working out for that amount.
 Its a good job Mr Cleeve is not paying the market rate for leasing the ground from the Council as well. 
Its alright gambling, but sometimes someone has to lose.
Just end the season now and put everyone out of their misery.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: macfleetwood1 on January 22, 2021, 03:33:15 PM
Well said Marcus. Let's stop now and sleep at night.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 22, 2021, 08:47:27 PM
Just listened to SCís latest podcast.  His feeling is that we will play Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday. Then that will be it unless someone comes up with some money to get the League through to the end of the season.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 22, 2021, 09:21:34 PM
Just listened to SCís latest podcast.  His feeling is that we will play Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday. Then that will be it unless someone comes up with some money to get the League through to the end of the season.

I donít understand that. I thought there was already an offer of financial assistance. 
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 22, 2021, 09:30:07 PM
Apparently NL clubs voted against taking individual loans, the NL taking out the loan and voted against suspending the season.

Just when you think it canít get any worse.

Sounds a bit like they are going to try and get the cash from the money tree at the bottom of the garden.

SC stated that if the season finished now  and NL NLN & NLS clubs Furloughed their players for three months it would cost the Gov 16.5m
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 22, 2021, 09:36:51 PM
Apparently NL clubs voted against taking individual loans, the NL taking out the loan and voted against suspending the season.

Just when you think it canít get any worse.

Sounds a bit like they are going to try and get the cash from the money tree at the bottom of the garden.

SC stated that if the season finished now  and NL NLN & NLS clubs Furloughed their players for three months it would cost the Gov 16.5m

Quick bit of (estimated) mental arithmetic.

That would mean that the average wage bill for the clubs is 750k a year.

🤣
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Paul47 on January 22, 2021, 09:44:21 PM
Hereford happily broadcast they had a playing budget of £700,000 last season.

£750k a year would be a wage bill of about £15,000 per week. Bet several clubs are more than that
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 22, 2021, 09:55:22 PM
Probably, but I bet thereís not many anywhere near that figure in North and South.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Paul47 on January 22, 2021, 10:00:15 PM
Probably, but I bet thereís not many anywhere near that figure in North and South.

Would say the likes of York, Boston, Hereford wouldnít be far of that figure? Plus the likes of Notts Co, Stockport, Wrexham, Chesterfield to name just a few. Would imagine the full time clubs in ours and the North woulda be more than £15k a week?
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 22, 2021, 10:12:14 PM
The last figures I saw were

NL average 758k

NLN. ..........340k

NLS............ 240k

Which is gives an overall average of  434k per Club.   With my abacus that is a long way short of 16.5 for 3 months.  Then again Iím no accountant so I could have it all wrong.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Paul47 on January 22, 2021, 10:17:09 PM
Iíve seen a few clubs, and MPís, have sent letters to DCMS saying it would cost government more on furlough payments than the £11 million so not just Mr Cleeve saying it. Iím sure they know better than us fans.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 22, 2021, 10:22:49 PM
Maybe they are all getting it from the same source.

I agree IF the furlough payment comes out more than the 11m then it would be crazy.

Maybe we are both right Paul.  Could be playing staff is one figure but back office, coaching staff etc take the figure to a different level
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 22, 2021, 10:56:42 PM
Iíve seen a few clubs, and MPís, have sent letters to DCMS saying it would cost government more on furlough payments than the £11 million so not just Mr Cleeve saying it. Iím sure they know better than us fans.

I wonder if any of these MP's were like ours when last handout was given to the Clubs?

He was all for the Clubs being given grants, but was against Govt paying for School dinners for deprived children during holidays.

How ironic that it was football in the shape of Marcus Rashford that came to the rescue on this one.

Sometimes I think the priorities of some people are all wrong in this Country.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Dilligaf on January 22, 2021, 11:43:11 PM
Just listened to SCís latest podcast.  His feeling is that we will play Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday. Then that will be it unless someone comes up with some money to get the League through to the end of the season.


Yeah well...he also said in a previous podcast that Boris would be gone in January...and that it came from a good source....not many days left on that prediction
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on January 23, 2021, 09:22:02 AM
You can see where this is heading.

Any money made available will only be for step one Clubs.

Nice maneuver.

#allonefootballfamily


I get confused over the whole business at the moment  as to why we are still playing

I don't think you are the only one!  :dontknow:

It might be that the N/Sís feedback has been overwhelmingly for stopping, whereas the top tiers feedback might be more mixed. Notts county have previously said theyíve got the backing to go to the end come what may, might be the case that some of the other full-time clubs with genuine league aspirations have got deep enough pockets. Could be the cause of quite a schism in our league
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Nigel nigle on January 27, 2021, 07:13:09 AM
It looks like the league will not take on the debt and I am sure the clubs will not so it is either a suspension or termination of the season coming up
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 27, 2021, 08:44:54 AM
http://bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55818377

Looks and sounds as if the frozen pitch did the Club a favour last night.  :dontknow:

No point in playing the game and incurring the associated costs if League is coming to halt in next few days.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 27, 2021, 09:50:32 AM
The BBC article suggests the Government weren't happy with the way the original grant tranche was allocated.......I wonder if that is also part of the reason why no further grants will be on offer.

I think the NL should just end the season for the 3 leagues now, take a few months to get its house in order and start next season promptly in August.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: gs50 on January 27, 2021, 10:01:36 AM
I think you are spot on.. No point in suspending this isn't going away fast.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Non League on January 27, 2021, 10:36:43 AM
Would be a suspension for this quarter, so till start of April, with teams furloughing till then my guess.

Then for it finish season, would need to be agreed that it'll be played till early July at latest (meaning basically end of season finishes, and new one starts like 3-4 weeks later). Quite a few teams would have say 26 games left to play on average. Say it resumes on 3rd April, going Sat/Midweek, after 26 games you'd be looking at season finishing Sat 3rd July (that's 27 slots). Move it a week later to Sat 10th July to allow 29 slots. Would be a hectic season, but doable if teams really wanted to play it.

I'd wager there's a high chance come May, crowds will be allowed back (maybe June at latest).
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: gs50 on January 27, 2021, 11:35:01 AM
When you consider that hospitality industry could be closed until July can't see crowds allowed back until then.Start a new season then and forget this season finish it now.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 27, 2021, 12:30:58 PM
Would be a suspension for this quarter, so till start of April, with teams furloughing till then my guess.

Then for it finish season, would need to be agreed that it'll be played till early July at latest (meaning basically end of season finishes, and new one starts like 3-4 weeks later). Quite a few teams would have say 26 games left to play on average. Say it resumes on 3rd April, going Sat/Midweek, after 26 games you'd be looking at season finishing Sat 3rd July (that's 27 slots). Move it a week later to Sat 10th July to allow 29 slots. Would be a hectic season, but doable if teams really wanted to play it.

I'd wager there's a high chance come May, crowds will be allowed back (maybe June at latest).

If they don't just call it to a complete halt now, rather than suspending it until April and then keep playing until July, it could have a impact on next season.

Next season could still be difficult enough anyway as we will still be in this. They are saying that there could be some form of restrictions until the end of the year.

Stopping it now and just forgetting about it gives us the best chance of having a relatively "normal"  2021/2022 season.

Anyway, who'd be paying for it if they only suspended the season? No real hint that supporters would be allowed back in, and probably a limited amount when they do. Even if they were, I can see many giving it a miss for obvious reasons.

Clubs don't want the offered Loans, so with no income, it would be down to the owners to fund it. How many would be prepared to do that, even if they are in a position to do so?

Finishing it now makes sense on so many levels. That's unless BT  have a vice like grip on NL and call all the shots, as Sky do with the Prem.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 27, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
Non League where would clubs find the money from in April when they canít find it now ?   On top of that loads of players will be out of contract by the end of June so July football would make no sense.

Clubs should just mothball and look for o start again next season.  In the meantime a new board/committee should be formed to run the National League.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 27, 2021, 12:50:31 PM
In the meantime a new board/committee should be formed to run the National League.

Is Buster doing anything at the moment?

 :laughcry:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 27, 2021, 02:05:05 PM
Think he has enough on his plate trying to get his  two Clubs riding Speedway in May.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 27, 2021, 02:26:23 PM
DCMS is to announce that non league clubs in steps 3 to 6 will have £10m in GRANTS made available.

This will benefit 850 Clubs who have not played in two months.

No idea how that will be divided. Presumably the Club owners and the powers that be will want step 3 clubs to receive more than step 6  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on January 27, 2021, 02:27:20 PM
Nice to read that steps 3-6 are to be able to access  grants. About time too. The elite boys have proved they can't spend it wisely.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 27, 2021, 02:46:56 PM
Interesting that Clubs in steps 3 through to 6 are getting 10m grants when the season is suspended.   Yet step 1 are getting sod all but are still Ďliveí in terms of still
Playing.    Seems like these Clubs have really Píeed off some people by the way they have burnt through the 10m in just 3 months.

Reap what you sow I guess.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: gs50 on January 27, 2021, 03:11:20 PM
Don't think steps 3-6 are any different
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 27, 2021, 03:13:11 PM
Step 3-6 clubs can apply for their share of the £10m of grants from tomorrow.

Maximum amounts allowed per club:

Step 3 - £27,000

Step 4 - £15,000

Step 5 - £10,500

Step 6 - £7,500

Clubs must use the funding by 31st March 2021.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 27, 2021, 04:07:24 PM
Funds not to be used for Transfers or Players wages.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on January 27, 2021, 04:15:44 PM
Funds not to be used for Transfers or Players wages.

Hmm why apply that rule now?    :laughcry:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 27, 2021, 04:48:30 PM
At a guess because all these leagues are already suspended and not live, so players will be already furloughed where necessary
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 27, 2021, 06:37:25 PM
Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

31m
Labour leader, Kier Starmer, will meet with representatives of some National League clubs & supporters groups.

The meeting will take place at 10am tomorrow via Zoom.

The meeting will discuss Ďhow the Government can make the best decisions to support the National League.í

Will Captain Hindsight be able to help?    Surely is Tory MPís they need to get onside.  Not the leader of the opposition who got their asses kicked 15 months  ago.?
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 27, 2021, 06:39:46 PM
Funds not to be used for Transfers or Players wages.

How will it be policed?   :bankrupt:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Dilligaf on January 27, 2021, 07:02:32 PM
Well Mr Cleeve said on his podcast if it was £50k a month they'd find the difference but if it was as low as £20K they would not be able to cope... :dontknow:
Guessing someone may not be very happy at the figures suggested..
 :countingmoney:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 27, 2021, 07:24:28 PM
Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

31m
Labour leader, Kier Starmer, will meet with representatives of some National League clubs & supporters groups.

The meeting will take place at 10am tomorrow via Zoom.

The meeting will discuss Ďhow the Government can make the best decisions to support the National League.í

Will Captain Hindsight be able to help?    Surely is Tory MPís they need to get onside.  Not the leader of the opposition who got their asses kicked 15 months  ago.?


Well as there truly isn't anyone amongst the current government with any real competance or connection to the life of the common man, maybe chatting to Starmer (who does tick both of those earlier mentioned areas) will be a very useful step....it might propel the debate to a high ministerial level very quickly.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 27, 2021, 08:18:41 PM
Will have to be PDQ KES.  I thought they were voting this week/ next week on whether to carry the season on
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 27, 2021, 08:34:33 PM
Yes Mall.... don't know about you, but I've had a neck full of posturing and indecision....for goodness sake, someone at the NL have the balls to make a decision and stick with it....either commit to playing on, or shut the season down for good....how long can it take to announce a vote, count the votes and rubber stamp the decision.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 27, 2021, 09:21:08 PM
The NL board have known about the issue of lack of funding since Dec.   What a total shower they are.  Here we are coming to Feb and they are scrambling around looking for hand outs.  The l lot should resign. En masse.  Not fit to hold office.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on January 28, 2021, 10:26:43 AM
Funds not to be used for Transfers or Players wages.

Hmm why apply that rule now?    :laughcry:

Because they saw what happened at step 1 and 2 when they didnít have that rule?
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 28, 2021, 11:28:46 AM
The NL board have known about the issue of lack of funding since Dec.   What a total shower they are.  Here we are coming to Feb and they are scrambling around looking for hand outs.  The l lot should resign. En masse.  Not fit to hold office.

It's all down to the kind of person these roles attract. Individuals with their own agenda's who only show a unified approach when under attack.

What gets me is the old chestnut about Clubs being at the Heart of the Community. I'm not saying that none of them are, but as we know its an easy title to claim but very often has no truth behind it.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 28, 2021, 04:19:40 PM
Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss



https://mobile.twitter.com/Ollie_Bayliss/status/1354823446778105857/photo/1
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 28, 2021, 04:29:24 PM
Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss



https://mobile.twitter.com/Ollie_Bayliss/status/1354823446778105857/photo/1

"Clubs to open their books"!

 :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:

I can't quite work out if this is a genuine attempt to help, or to shut the Clubs up!

It appears that if it's no transparency, it's no funding.

Firmly back in the hands of the Club owners on which way to go.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Mallard on January 28, 2021, 04:38:53 PM
Books shouldnít be an issue for any of the clubs as with little income then they should be up to date.   Didnít SC say a while back he had someone onboard from one the big 5 accountancy firms in the area ? 

So we should be on the button with that request.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Dilligaf on January 28, 2021, 04:42:52 PM
Yes agreed....we shall no doubt find out soon who and who doesn't have something to hide..... :countingmoney: :farmer:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: gs50 on January 28, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
just read the letter can't see that helping anybody.  Did find interesting the north and south divisionts told to continue 6th Feb. How is the supposed to happen without funding.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 28, 2021, 05:46:36 PM
What a complete bore...enough........I genuinely don't want to hear any more from this incompetent lot..........I need a two week suspension myself from tv radio, the internet news and this forum, just to preserve my sanity
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: dillydilly on January 28, 2021, 06:35:11 PM
Donít think like that KES.  Itís a long way back in this thread, but I canít agree with Paul47 about this being a moanerís forum.  I regard Mallard and KES as personal friends now, apart from their failure to pay up for my football tactics advice.  I meant to answer Mallís request for assistance on selection for the Stockport game, but then the club chickened out of playing them !  Overall thought for this hugely difficult season is the massive disappointment caused by the virus from hell, that we would have had a dozen matches at The Walks with crowds and atmospheres to easily match the York game, and we have missed out so tragically - especially Steven Cleeve....
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: KES80 on January 28, 2021, 06:49:52 PM
Just to clarify.... nothing wrong with the Forum or the people on it....... it's the people running the country and the NL I need a break from
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: gs50 on January 28, 2021, 07:21:29 PM
Actually this letter is just a confirmation that was on the table last week.You either take help by way of a loan or apply for a Grant. What an obsolete shambles for the sake of football and the
 supporters pull the plug on this season.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on January 28, 2021, 07:26:56 PM
Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss



https://mobile.twitter.com/Ollie_Bayliss/status/1354823446778105857/photo/1

"Clubs to open their books"!

 :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:

I can't quite work out if this is a genuine attempt to help, or to shut the Clubs up!

It appears that if it's no transparency, it's no funding.

Firmly back in the hands of the Club owners on which way to go.

I wonder who's checking the books?  This is a disaster in the making. 
So hypothetically speaking. If a Club has a history of being run in an unsustainable way. Resorting to Directors loans etc to survive. How can anyone sanction Government money being given as a grant to such Clubs.  Surely the Clubs being run in a sensible sustainable way should receive any such grant.
Please discuss.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 28, 2021, 08:05:18 PM
National League clubs across all three divisions will be offered the chance to decide what happens to the rest of the 2020-21 season on Monday.

Clubs have been told to expect a resolution, although they have not been told the specifics of what they will be voting on, or how long they will have to respond.

The latest communication comes after a board meeting and also following a letter sent to all clubs by Sports Minister Nigel Huddleston, inviting them to one of two meetings, on Friday or Tuesday, to ask questions about the current funding situation.

Clubs have been told the £11m due to cover the cost of matches from January to March will be in the form of loans, which has already been deemed unacceptable by a majority of clubs in National League North and South.

There has been no indication of how costs would be covered after this period and the season is not due to end until May.

The Department for Culture, Media and Sport has said grants can be applied for in extreme circumstances and that no club "will be allowed to go to the wall".

The National League is continuing but the North and South divisions have had their games paused for a fortnight amid the continuing uncertainty over funding
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: gs50 on January 28, 2021, 08:05:42 PM
Nothing to discuss if clubs can't obtain help through grants they won't complete the season.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 28, 2021, 08:10:01 PM

The National League is continuing but the North and South divisions have had their games paused for a fortnight amid the continuing uncertainty over funding

Any uncertainty over funding has been caused by the NL and the Clubs themselves.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Dilligaf on January 29, 2021, 08:24:06 AM
Wont need to finish the season....once they get to a position that ppg can be used....that rule will be used and season will finish....if the current health situation remains....it will then allow seasons to.finish early.....and give the board a few months of crossing fingers...kneeling and praying....holding on to good luck charms...and hope the new season can start on time.... :dontknow:
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: gs50 on January 29, 2021, 11:55:31 AM
Need to look on Gateshead news see what a mockery the situation is.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: Nemesis on January 29, 2021, 12:48:56 PM
From what I can understand of the rules, if the season ends in the near future the club will not be able to furlough Denton, Kiwomya, Callan-McFadden, Gyasi and the new secretary as they were not employed before 30th October.
Title: Re: Season under threat
Post by: gs50 on January 29, 2021, 02:18:31 PM
Think that will affect alot of clubs and players.
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