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Title: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 02, 2021, 06:01:12 PM
Just been informed tonight's game is off.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: KES80 on February 02, 2021, 06:09:34 PM
That's where it's bad if you are full time, but maddening if you are part time, have taken time off work, have just arrived at the ground and then..........
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Realist on February 02, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
The other side is:- you expect the full time club to be more organised and decisive when it comes to this type of situation, it was snowing most of the day over there. Shambolic Chesterfield with absolutely no excuse Lynn should recover travel and wage expenses for this, even if they have to push for it! !!!
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 02, 2021, 09:09:15 PM
It happens.

Alvechurch visited us a couple of season ago only to find the game had been called off.

I seem to remember quite a bit in the Press at the time as they believed the game could and should have been called off earlier than it was.

Annoying and expensive for the visiting Club but I suppose it’s just one of those things Clubs have to put up with.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 02, 2021, 09:20:50 PM
The other side is:- you expect the full time club to be more organised and decisive when it comes to this type of situation, it was snowing most of the day over there. Shambolic Chesterfield with absolutely no excuse Lynn should recover travel and wage expenses for this, even if they have to push for it! !!!

Ridiculous statement, a quick look at tonights postponed fixtures and  a little geographical knowledge should tell you, extreme weather conditions passed over the area 2ish hours before kick off. Unlucky
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Dilligaf on February 02, 2021, 09:35:12 PM
What goes around.... :dontknow:
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on February 03, 2021, 06:37:10 AM
 :farmer: :oldman" It happens, we need to get over it, as said,we have had matches postponed at the Walks at short notice, it happens and we carry on regardless.  :oldman" :farmer:
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 03, 2021, 02:22:59 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/travel-woes-for-two-members-of-linnets-camp-9155307/
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 04, 2021, 11:14:45 AM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/travel-woes-for-two-members-of-linnets-camp-9155307/

I'm not quite sure how Carol's attempt at Michael Fish prophesy lead her to believe that the game was always going to be off. The pitch has excellent drainage (1 game  lost in 11 years) and regardless of what forecasts she was referring their was no precipitation in the area throughout the day and after the efforts to remove overnight snow the pitch was perfectly payable. Naturally with fixtures piling up every effort was made to get the game on. Up to the deluge (please note Rotherham,  Notts and the scabs suffered the same late fate) there wasn't a problem.

With regards to 'having to take time off work' you are undermining your clubs own achievements you are in what is virtually a full time professional league, enjoy it.The fact that fullback Fred is on 'earlies' down the mill, wouldn't be a consideration.

Using the 'covid times' card is a bit low especially when considering (although not against rules, but it doesn't sit well with some) car sharing.

Anyway all the best for the season, it's just unfortunate we can't visit your town (there would have been a good following) and you cant enjoy the  Technique experience with all the excellent local ale houses and eateries within 5 minutes of the ground.
Cheeers
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Lady Footballer on February 04, 2021, 02:18:18 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/travel-woes-for-two-members-of-linnets-camp-9155307/

I'm not quite sure how Carol's attempt at Michael Fish prophesy lead her to believe that the game was always going to be off. The pitch has excellent drainage (1 game  lost in 11 years) and regardless of what forecasts she was referring their was no precipitation in the area throughout the day and after the efforts to remove overnight snow the pitch was perfectly payable. Naturally with fixtures piling up every effort was made to get the game on. Up to the deluge (please note Rotherham,  Notts and the scabs suffered the same late fate) there wasn't a problem.

With regards to 'having to take time off work' you are undermining your clubs own achievements you are in what is virtually a full time professional league, enjoy it.The fact that fullback Fred is on 'earlies' down the mill, wouldn't be a consideration.

Using the 'covid times' card is a bit low especially when considering (although not against rules, but it doesn't sit well with some) car sharing.

Anyway all the best for the season, it's just unfortunate we can't visit your town (there would have been a good following) and you cant enjoy the  Technique experience with all the excellent local ale houses and eateries within 5 minutes of the ground.
Cheeers
That doesn't sound like the Carol I know, but it does sound like someone else I know at the Club. Scripted?
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Mallard on February 04, 2021, 06:55:17 PM
Looks like Chesterfield won’t have to worry about games being called off, going forward.

Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss
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24m
A medical centre received angry calls & one staff member was threatened after players at Chesterfield FC were given Covid vaccines.

The club said some players and staff, "most of them vulnerable", were given jabs to stop them being wasted.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 04, 2021, 07:10:15 PM
Looks like Chesterfield won’t have to worry about games being called off, going forward.

Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss
·
24m
A medical centre received angry calls & one staff member was threatened after players at Chesterfield FC were given Covid vaccines.

The club said some players and staff, "most of them vulnerable", were given jabs to stop them being wasted.

How convenient that so many of the Chesterfield players and staff were available at such short notice!

I bet the PR Company that the NL hired to try and get the Govt to change their mind on the Loans/grant saga won't mention this in their campaign.

Football Club and players just taking the p***.

And they want taxpayers money to prop up their Limited Companies!
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Mallard on February 04, 2021, 07:18:27 PM
With no game Saturday maybe Lynn should train on the Tuesday Market Place,  just in case  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 05, 2021, 05:35:35 PM
Looks like Chesterfield won’t have to worry about games being called off, going forward.

Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss
·
24m
A medical centre received angry calls & one staff member was threatened after players at Chesterfield FC were given Covid vaccines.

The club said some players and staff, "most of them vulnerable", were given jabs to stop them being wasted.

How convenient that so many of the Chesterfield players and staff were available at such short notice!

I bet the PR Company that the NL hired to try and get the Govt to change their mind on the Loans/grant saga won't mention this in their campaign.

Football Club and players just taking the p***.

And they want taxpayers money to prop up their Limited Companies!

Fake news, created by an ex-director and questionable journalism.

The director who played a big hand in our ungraceful fall from Div1 play offs to where we are now along with many alleged unscrupulous dealings. He got wind that CFC personnel had, had a lst minute call from a vacine centre and with malice aforethought contacted the press (mirror). Without investigation a story concocted to vilify footballers is great 'click bait' and along with the mail published a corrupt story.

The vacine centre published an excellent statement (I havent mastered the copy and paste facility on here ) explaining every avenue  they'd  explored to use unused vacine before approaching CFC. On reading this  the Mail to their credit produced another article this morning under the banner "Chesterfield are not the bad guys" (apologies can't copy etc)

It's unfortunate that the jealousy of a failed ex director, but more so absolute abysmal journalism caused an hard working employee to receive threatening phone calls ( by who one may ask).
To this end members of CFC forum (the equivalent of this ) decided to buy her some flowers and opened a just giving page, it wont be daffs, at the last look after 3 hours of running £1,750 had been raised. However its doubtful the press will focus on the good coming out of adversity.

If anyone is bored due to no pub visits you can glean all aspect of this farce on the CFC forum known as Bob's Board, (google Bob's Board CFC)   it might be wise not to focus on the thread concerning the car break down returning from tuesdays none match!!!

Cheers
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Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 05, 2021, 06:31:41 PM
Looks like Chesterfield won’t have to worry about games being called off, going forward.

Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss
·
24m
A medical centre received angry calls & one staff member was threatened after players at Chesterfield FC were given Covid vaccines.

The club said some players and staff, "most of them vulnerable", were given jabs to stop them being wasted.

How convenient that so many of the Chesterfield players and staff were available at such short notice!

I bet the PR Company that the NL hired to try and get the Govt to change their mind on the Loans/grant saga won't mention this in their campaign.

Football Club and players just taking the p***.

And they want taxpayers money to prop up their Limited Companies!

Fake news, created by an ex-director and questionable journalism.

The director who played a big hand in our ungraceful fall from Div1 play offs to where we are now along with many alleged unscrupulous dealings. He got wind that CFC personnel had, had a lst minute call from a vacine centre and with malice aforethought contacted the press (mirror). Without investigation a story concocted to vilify footballers is great 'click bait' and along with the mail published a corrupt story.

The vacine centre published an excellent statement (I havent mastered the copy and paste facility on here ) explaining every avenue  they'd  explored to use unused vacine before approaching CFC. On reading this  the Mail to their credit produced another article this morning under the banner "Chesterfield are not the bad guys" (apologies can't copy etc)

It's unfortunate that the jealousy of a failed ex director, but more so absolute abysmal journalism caused an hard working employee to receive threatening phone calls ( by who one may ask).
To this end members of CFC forum (the equivalent of this ) decided to buy her some flowers and opened a just giving page, it wont be daffs, at the last look after 3 hours of running £1,750 had been raised. However its doubtful the press will focus on the good coming out of adversity.

If anyone is bored due to no pub visits you can glean all aspect of this farce on the CFC forum known as Bob's Board, (google Bob's Board CFC)   it might be wise not to focus on the thread concerning the car break down returning from tuesdays none match!!!

Cheers
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Thanks for the update.

So, no queue jumping as far a CFC concerned, and CFC players and staff didn't get vaccinated ahead of other people (end of the day unused vaccine or not)?

Maybe someone at the club is involved in supply chain management, so know how these things work?

Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 05, 2021, 07:05:01 PM
That's about right, no doubt there were 50 million (wild guess)people more deserving but when the expiry time is about up it's a case of arm or bin. The irony is imagine the headlines if the vacine had been refused and binned.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: admin on February 05, 2021, 07:06:38 PM
Aforesaid article:
Chesterfield are not the bad guys

Chesterfield got lucky. When a local medical centre had vaccines left after no-shows, the football club was contacted and some players and staff benefited.

The Pfizer vaccine has to be kept at a specific temperature with a very limited shelf life. Of course, rather than see them go to waste, there will be those who gain from random availability.

If the club pulled strings to jump the queue, that is different. If vulnerable sections of society were deprived as a result, that is wrong. But if as Chesterfield say they were told by the surgery that all other options had been exhausted and that the vaccine would have been wasted if they had not had the jabs, what is the problem? The National League is in crisis.

Some clubs are pressing for it to be called off. They do not have the money for regular testing programmes, yet players travel nationwide on cramped coaches to complete the fixture list. Chesterfield to Torquay is a 512-mile round trip, Weymouth 510 miles, Dover 466.

And while these are young, fit men, they still return to families and communities. They are not in bubbles like the Premier League stars, they are not working from the living room. So stop the spread.

The vaccine call-up has inconsistencies. There will be people who live their lives at home, yet qualify for priority care. There will be people who must travel to work and come into contact with others every day who will be last on the list.

That is the way the system works. There had to be an order and it was never going to be perfect.

Yet what we can surely all agree on is the more who are vaccinated, the better.

And better the staff and players of Chesterfield, than vaccines go in the bin.

Queue-jumping is selfish. Yet if all Chesterfield benefited from was a friendly face in the medical centre and being in the right place at the right time, then lucky them and shame on those who choose not to turn up.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 05, 2021, 07:17:26 PM
Thanks for that
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 05, 2021, 08:09:46 PM
So why did the person call CFC? What's the connection there?

Right place right time. You have to admit that sounds very convieient and hardly surprising that people questioned it.  Was the person at the Centre given the heads up by a CFC official that the squad and staff were available?

And are you saying that the person at the call centre is now going to be financially rewarded via a just giving page?   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 05, 2021, 09:06:13 PM
So why did the person call CFC? What's the connection there?

Right place right time. You have to admit that sounds very convieient and hardly surprising that people questioned it.  Was the person at the Centre given the heads up by a CFC official that the squad and staff were available?

And are you saying that the person at the call centre is now going to be financially rewarded via a just giving page?   :dontknow:

https://stubleymedical.co.uk/press-release/

That should answer your questions.

The just giving page was set up by members of the Chesterfield message board to say thanks to the Manager of the centre (not a call centre) and to say sorry for the ill considered journalism.) that caused her to receive abusive calls (from who??, we can speculate) Initial thoughts were to buy flowers etc but now due to the size of generosity of CFC supportes it's to be donated on behalf of the lady in question and the practice to Ashgate hospice. A large charitable concern struggling financially in these times. Unfortunately these good positive stories will not be attractive to the type of press that have caused this unnecessary situation.

Currently just under 3 grand as been raised in 8 hours
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on February 05, 2021, 09:21:50 PM
These ‘end of the day’ doses left over after no-shows are being administered in quite a haphazard way, but I guess it’s a guess of putting it in any arm is better than it going in a bin.

I’m aware of two colleagues that have attended doctors appointments in the early evening for other reasons, and been offered the vaccine as they were there. It seems lingering around somewhere with spare syringes could be good for your health (not a sentence that would’ve made sense last year.)
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 05, 2021, 09:54:07 PM
A fund raising page may have had good intentions, but obviously was not thought all the way through. It put the person who is supposed to have contacted CFC or its players for vaccination in a difficult situation.

So many contradictory stories on the CFC players  being given the jab. Also it looks like this is not the first time CFC players and staff have been offered and received the jab. I read that the CFC players and staff who were given the jabs were contacted directly. If that's the case, how would the Centre have their names?

I also read that these Centres have protocol's to follow for unused jabs which involves making efforts to contact the no shows, and then contact people on lists of who they should call first. It stated that CFC would be at the bottom of the list. Fit 20 year olds are very rarely vulnerable.

Apparently none of CFC's furloughed players or staff were contacted. How would the Centre be able to make the distinction between CFC players/staff that were furloughed and those that were not?

Who would have made the decision to only get the active players vaccinated? CFC? If so, are they qualified to make that decision? Maybe a furloughed players was more vulnerable than an active player? Was that even considered?

Jury is still very much out on this one!

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on no more CFC players or its staff being contacted by the Centre in the future. If that is the case, that in itself speaks volumes.

Of course, that's if it is what happened previously, and nobody with a certain degree of knowledge of  how managing supply chains work, exploited the system.   :dontknow:

Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 06, 2021, 09:25:05 AM
A fund raising page may have had good intentions, but obviously was not thought all the way through. It put the person who is supposed to have contacted CFC or its players for vaccination in a difficult situation.

So many contradictory stories on the CFC players  being given the jab. Also it looks like this is not the first time CFC players and staff have been offered and received the jab. I read that the CFC players and staff who were given the jabs were contacted directly. If that's the case, how would the Centre have their names?

I also read that these Centres have protocol's to follow for unused jabs which involves making efforts to contact the no shows, and then contact people on lists of who they should call first. It stated that CFC would be at the bottom of the list. Fit 20 year olds are very rarely vulnerable.

Apparently none of CFC's furloughed players or staff were contacted. How would the Centre be able to make the distinction between CFC players/staff that were furloughed and those that were not?

Who would have made the decision to only get the active players vaccinated? CFC? If so, are they qualified to make that decision? Maybe a furloughed players was more vulnerable than an active player? Was that even considered?

Jury is still very much out on this one!

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on no more CFC players or its staff being contacted by the Centre in the future. If that is the case, that in itself speaks volumes.

Of course, that's if it is what happened previously, and nobody with a certain degree of knowledge of  how managing supply chains work, exploited the system.   :dontknow:

Bludy 'L, I only came on here looking for opinions on Alex Kiwomya, a player I rated highly when fit.
When I saw the third post on this thread I had to correct the wrongs this post contained.

Any way, your first paragraph I dont think any right minded person would think this lady had been compromised and she would take any action to do so. It's quite clear from the comments made with the donations made that they have been made, in thanks of work down  by the staff and to stick 2 fingers up to our ex odious director and despicable journalism.

You waffle on about what you have read, well name sources to give credence to what you try to imply. The Mirror, Mail and our local rag  are the only ones to cover it so far (the Telegraph are covering it today apparently) If you are taking things of other social media platforms (I dont). Well enough said.

You ask questions of which CFC,  staff have had the jabs what's it matter someone as benefited rather than waste the vacine and further down the line these will not need doing.

You mention protocols, well isn't that well covered in the press release in my previous post ( made accessible by Admin thanks) However if you want song and verse on protocols I've heard them all from my daughter she's helping out albeit in Poole. One of the main problems is finding replacements for  no shows in the last couple of hours which rules out alot of candidates at the moment ie initial electronic form filling, transport etc.

I don't get your point re supply chain, but no doubt it's a logistical!!  nightmare for some.

Not sure who the jury are, you can have the casting vote.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 06, 2021, 10:33:33 AM
A fund raising page may have had good intentions, but obviously was not thought all the way through. It put the person who is supposed to have contacted CFC or its players for vaccination in a difficult situation.

So many contradictory stories on the CFC players  being given the jab. Also it looks like this is not the first time CFC players and staff have been offered and received the jab. I read that the CFC players and staff who were given the jabs were contacted directly. If that's the case, how would the Centre have their names?

I also read that these Centres have protocol's to follow for unused jabs which involves making efforts to contact the no shows, and then contact people on lists of who they should call first. It stated that CFC would be at the bottom of the list. Fit 20 year olds are very rarely vulnerable.

Apparently none of CFC's furloughed players or staff were contacted. How would the Centre be able to make the distinction between CFC players/staff that were furloughed and those that were not?

Who would have made the decision to only get the active players vaccinated? CFC? If so, are they qualified to make that decision? Maybe a furloughed players was more vulnerable than an active player? Was that even considered?

Jury is still very much out on this one!

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on no more CFC players or its staff being contacted by the Centre in the future. If that is the case, that in itself speaks volumes.

Of course, that's if it is what happened previously, and nobody with a certain degree of knowledge of  how managing supply chains work, exploited the system.   :dontknow:

Bludy 'L, I only came on here looking for opinions on Alex Kiwomya, a player I rated highly when fit.
When I saw the third post on this thread I had to correct the wrongs this post contained.

Any way, your first paragraph I dont think any right minded person would think this lady had been compromised and she would take any action to do so. It's quite clear from the comments made with the donations made that they have been made, in thanks of work down  by the staff and to stick 2 fingers up to our ex odious director and despicable journalism.

You waffle on about what you have read, well name sources to give credence to what you try to imply. The Mirror, Mail and our local rag  are the only ones to cover it so far (the Telegraph are covering it today apparently) If you are taking things of other social media platforms (I dont). Well enough said.

You ask questions of which CFC,  staff have had the jabs what's it matter someone as benefited rather than waste the vacine and further down the line these will not need doing.

You mention protocols, well isn't that well covered in the press release in my previous post ( made accessible by Admin thanks) However if you want song and verse on protocols I've heard them all from my daughter she's helping out albeit in Poole. One of the main problems is finding replacements for  no shows in the last couple of hours which rules out alot of candidates at the moment ie initial electronic form filling, transport etc.

I don't get your point re supply chain, but no doubt it's a logistical!!  nightmare for some.

Not sure who the jury are, you can have the casting vote.

I did say the fund raising page was probably well intended. To offer someone involved a financial reward, even retrospectively, is just plain crazy in circumstances such as this. Any right minded person should see that.

Obviously CFC can do no wrong and should never be questioned. No answer to the important questions such as how the Centre have the CFC contacts names, and why certain CFC personell were vaccinated before other,  other than "what's it matter"? The answer to that one is "open and honest".

I'm not implying anything. I was just asking questions. When you start going down this route and make accusations of people implying things, it appears very defensive.

Well done to your daughter for helping out in Poole and informing you chapter and verse on the Protocols. That must be very useful.

Theres two sides to the Media reporting but sounds as if people should only take notice of one. CCG was one source quoted in one of the articles.

When I say the jury is out, what I'm saying is that there's certainly enough questions raised to warrant the investigation that is apparently going to be made.

Given the all clear from that then,  it's not a problem.

Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 06, 2021, 11:59:43 AM
A fund raising page may have had good intentions, but obviously was not thought all the way through. It put the person who is supposed to have contacted CFC or its players for vaccination in a difficult situation.

So many contradictory stories on the CFC players  being given the jab. Also it looks like this is not the first time CFC players and staff have been offered and received the jab. I read that the CFC players and staff who were given the jabs were contacted directly. If that's the case, how would the Centre have their names?

I also read that these Centres have protocol's to follow for unused jabs which involves making efforts to contact the no shows, and then contact people on lists of who they should call first. It stated that CFC would be at the bottom of the list. Fit 20 year olds are very rarely vulnerable.

Apparently none of CFC's furloughed players or staff were contacted. How would the Centre be able to make the distinction between CFC players/staff that were furloughed and those that were not?

Who would have made the decision to only get the active players vaccinated? CFC? If so, are they qualified to make that decision? Maybe a furloughed players was more vulnerable than an active player? Was that even considered?

Jury is still very much out on this one!

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on no more CFC players or its staff being contacted by the Centre in the future. If that is the case, that in itself speaks volumes.

Of course, that's if it is what happened previously, and nobody with a certain degree of knowledge of  how managing supply chains work, exploited the system.   :dontknow:

Bludy 'L, I only came on here looking for opinions on Alex Kiwomya, a player I rated highly when fit.
When I saw the third post on this thread I had to correct the wrongs this post contained.

Any way, your first paragraph I dont think any right minded person would think this lady had been compromised and she would take any action to do so. It's quite clear from the comments made with the donations made that they have been made, in thanks of work down  by the staff and to stick 2 fingers up to our ex odious director and despicable journalism.

You waffle on about what you have read, well name sources to give credence to what you try to imply. The Mirror, Mail and our local rag  are the only ones to cover it so far (the Telegraph are covering it today apparently) If you are taking things of other social media platforms (I dont). Well enough said.

You ask questions of which CFC,  staff have had the jabs what's it matter someone as benefited rather than waste the vacine and further down the line these will not need doing.

You mention protocols, well isn't that well covered in the press release in my previous post ( made accessible by Admin thanks) However if you want song and verse on protocols I've heard them all from my daughter she's helping out albeit in Poole. One of the main problems is finding replacements for  no shows in the last couple of hours which rules out alot of candidates at the moment ie initial electronic form filling, transport etc.

I don't get your point re supply chain, but no doubt it's a logistical!!  nightmare for some.

Not sure who the jury are, you can have the casting vote.

I did say the fund raising page was probably well intended. To offer someone involved a financial reward, even retrospectively, is just plain crazy in circumstances such as this. Any right minded person should see that.

Obviously CFC can do no wrong and should never be questioned. No answer to the important questions such as how the Centre have the CFC contacts names, and why certain CFC personell were vaccinated before other,  other than "what's it matter"? The answer to that one is "open and honest".

I'm not implying anything. I was just asking questions. When you start going down this route and make accusations of people implying things, it appears very defensive.

Well done to your daughter for helping out in Poole and informing you chapter and verse on the Protocols. That must be very useful.

Theres two sides to the Media reporting but sounds as if people should only take notice of one. CCG was one source quoted in one of the articles.

When I say the jury is out, what I'm saying is that there's certainly enough questions raised to warrant the investigation that is apparently going to be made.

Given the all clear from that then,  it's not a problem.

"Probably well intended" blimey, now that is ill considered. There will be folk running round Chesterfield (socially distanced )slapping their heads Monty Python style screaming  'what crazy thing have we done raising 4 grand  (and rising) in under 24 hours and donating it in someone's good name to the local hospice",  yes totally crazy.

For answers to the 'important questions' I again refer you to the press release from Stubley Medical centre.

Change of tac. If this season gets cancelled and we get chance to visit next season are there any Real Ale outlets within hobbling distance of your ground. Please accept this as a genuine question and not implying some psychological cop out from the above
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 06, 2021, 12:36:07 PM
A fund raising page may have had good intentions, but obviously was not thought all the way through. It put the person who is supposed to have contacted CFC or its players for vaccination in a difficult situation.

So many contradictory stories on the CFC players  being given the jab. Also it looks like this is not the first time CFC players and staff have been offered and received the jab. I read that the CFC players and staff who were given the jabs were contacted directly. If that's the case, how would the Centre have their names?

I also read that these Centres have protocol's to follow for unused jabs which involves making efforts to contact the no shows, and then contact people on lists of who they should call first. It stated that CFC would be at the bottom of the list. Fit 20 year olds are very rarely vulnerable.

Apparently none of CFC's furloughed players or staff were contacted. How would the Centre be able to make the distinction between CFC players/staff that were furloughed and those that were not?

Who would have made the decision to only get the active players vaccinated? CFC? If so, are they qualified to make that decision? Maybe a furloughed players was more vulnerable than an active player? Was that even considered?

Jury is still very much out on this one!

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on no more CFC players or its staff being contacted by the Centre in the future. If that is the case, that in itself speaks volumes.

Of course, that's if it is what happened previously, and nobody with a certain degree of knowledge of  how managing supply chains work, exploited the system.   :dontknow:

Bludy 'L, I only came on here looking for opinions on Alex Kiwomya, a player I rated highly when fit.
When I saw the third post on this thread I had to correct the wrongs this post contained.

Any way, your first paragraph I dont think any right minded person would think this lady had been compromised and she would take any action to do so. It's quite clear from the comments made with the donations made that they have been made, in thanks of work down  by the staff and to stick 2 fingers up to our ex odious director and despicable journalism.

You waffle on about what you have read, well name sources to give credence to what you try to imply. The Mirror, Mail and our local rag  are the only ones to cover it so far (the Telegraph are covering it today apparently) If you are taking things of other social media platforms (I dont). Well enough said.

You ask questions of which CFC,  staff have had the jabs what's it matter someone as benefited rather than waste the vacine and further down the line these will not need doing.

You mention protocols, well isn't that well covered in the press release in my previous post ( made accessible by Admin thanks) However if you want song and verse on protocols I've heard them all from my daughter she's helping out albeit in Poole. One of the main problems is finding replacements for  no shows in the last couple of hours which rules out alot of candidates at the moment ie initial electronic form filling, transport etc.

I don't get your point re supply chain, but no doubt it's a logistical!!  nightmare for some.

Not sure who the jury are, you can have the casting vote.

I did say the fund raising page was probably well intended. To offer someone involved a financial reward, even retrospectively, is just plain crazy in circumstances such as this. Any right minded person should see that.

Obviously CFC can do no wrong and should never be questioned. No answer to the important questions such as how the Centre have the CFC contacts names, and why certain CFC personell were vaccinated before other,  other than "what's it matter"? The answer to that one is "open and honest".

I'm not implying anything. I was just asking questions. When you start going down this route and make accusations of people implying things, it appears very defensive.

Well done to your daughter for helping out in Poole and informing you chapter and verse on the Protocols. That must be very useful.

Theres two sides to the Media reporting but sounds as if people should only take notice of one. CCG was one source quoted in one of the articles.

When I say the jury is out, what I'm saying is that there's certainly enough questions raised to warrant the investigation that is apparently going to be made.

Given the all clear from that then,  it's not a problem.

"Probably well intended" blimey, now that is ill considered. There will be folk running round Chesterfield (socially distanced )slapping their heads Monty Python style screaming  'what crazy thing have we done raising 4 grand  (and rising) in under 24 hours and donating it in someone's good name to the local hospice",  yes totally crazy.

For answers to the 'important questions' I again refer you to the press release from Stubley Medical centre.

Change of tac. If this season gets cancelled and we get chance to visit next season are there any Real Ale outlets within hobbling distance of your ground. Please accept this as a genuine question and not implying some psychological cop out from the above

So even when people are agreement there are still issues. Monty Python indeed. Very dead parrot.

I really can't see that the Centre's statement can be considered as being anymore relevant than the Media that have previously been condemned. After all, the Centre was one of the two parties involved with the vaccinations so their opinion is obviousy coming from one particular viewpoint. I'm not saying they are wrong, that's for the investigation to decide. Two seperate incidences though? As said before you really can't blame people being suspicious.

Although there is obviously a reluctance to answer the questions raised, I'll answer yours.

I've had to do some research on this as I never touch the stuff but the particular type of Beverage you mention is apparently well catered for all over town. The town itself is little more than a 5-10 minute hobbling/stumbling from the football ground.

Or, you can visit our Club bar where apparently you can get a fresh can of Carling, purchased directly from Morrissons prior to the game.

 :scarf:
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 06, 2021, 01:24:07 PM
A fund raising page may have had good intentions, but obviously was not thought all the way through. It put the person who is supposed to have contacted CFC or its players for vaccination in a difficult situation.

So many contradictory stories on the CFC players  being given the jab. Also it looks like this is not the first time CFC players and staff have been offered and received the jab. I read that the CFC players and staff who were given the jabs were contacted directly. If that's the case, how would the Centre have their names?

I also read that these Centres have protocol's to follow for unused jabs which involves making efforts to contact the no shows, and then contact people on lists of who they should call first. It stated that CFC would be at the bottom of the list. Fit 20 year olds are very rarely vulnerable.

Apparently none of CFC's furloughed players or staff were contacted. How would the Centre be able to make the distinction between CFC players/staff that were furloughed and those that were not?

Who would have made the decision to only get the active players vaccinated? CFC? If so, are they qualified to make that decision? Maybe a furloughed players was more vulnerable than an active player? Was that even considered?

Jury is still very much out on this one!

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on no more CFC players or its staff being contacted by the Centre in the future. If that is the case, that in itself speaks volumes.

Of course, that's if it is what happened previously, and nobody with a certain degree of knowledge of  how managing supply chains work, exploited the system.   :dontknow:

Bludy 'L, I only came on here looking for opinions on Alex Kiwomya, a player I rated highly when fit.
When I saw the third post on this thread I had to correct the wrongs this post contained.

Any way, your first paragraph I dont think any right minded person would think this lady had been compromised and she would take any action to do so. It's quite clear from the comments made with the donations made that they have been made, in thanks of work down  by the staff and to stick 2 fingers up to our ex odious director and despicable journalism.

You waffle on about what you have read, well name sources to give credence to what you try to imply. The Mirror, Mail and our local rag  are the only ones to cover it so far (the Telegraph are covering it today apparently) If you are taking things of other social media platforms (I dont). Well enough said.

You ask questions of which CFC,  staff have had the jabs what's it matter someone as benefited rather than waste the vacine and further down the line these will not need doing.

You mention protocols, well isn't that well covered in the press release in my previous post ( made accessible by Admin thanks) However if you want song and verse on protocols I've heard them all from my daughter she's helping out albeit in Poole. One of the main problems is finding replacements for  no shows in the last couple of hours which rules out alot of candidates at the moment ie initial electronic form filling, transport etc.

I don't get your point re supply chain, but no doubt it's a logistical!!  nightmare for some.

Not sure who the jury are, you can have the casting vote.

I did say the fund raising page was probably well intended. To offer someone involved a financial reward, even retrospectively, is just plain crazy in circumstances such as this. Any right minded person should see that.

Obviously CFC can do no wrong and should never be questioned. No answer to the important questions such as how the Centre have the CFC contacts names, and why certain CFC personell were vaccinated before other,  other than "what's it matter"? The answer to that one is "open and honest".

I'm not implying anything. I was just asking questions. When you start going down this route and make accusations of people implying things, it appears very defensive.

Well done to your daughter for helping out in Poole and informing you chapter and verse on the Protocols. That must be very useful.

Theres two sides to the Media reporting but sounds as if people should only take notice of one. CCG was one source quoted in one of the articles.

When I say the jury is out, what I'm saying is that there's certainly enough questions raised to warrant the investigation that is apparently going to be made.

Given the all clear from that then,  it's not a problem.

"Probably well intended" blimey, now that is ill considered. There will be folk running round Chesterfield (socially distanced )slapping their heads Monty Python style screaming  'what crazy thing have we done raising 4 grand  (and rising) in under 24 hours and donating it in someone's good name to the local hospice",  yes totally crazy.

For answers to the 'important questions' I again refer you to the press release from Stubley Medical centre.

Change of tac. If this season gets cancelled and we get chance to visit next season are there any Real Ale outlets within hobbling distance of your ground. Please accept this as a genuine question and not implying some psychological cop out from the above

So even when people are agreement there are still issues. Monty Python indeed. Very dead parrot.

I really can't see that the Centre's statement can be considered as being anymore relevant than the Media that have previously been condemned. After all, the Centre was one of the two parties involved with the vaccinations so their opinion is obviousy coming from one particular viewpoint. I'm not saying they are wrong, that's for the investigation to decide. Two seperate incidences though? As said before you really can't blame people being suspicious.

Although there is obviously a reluctance to answer the questions raised, I'll answer yours.

I've had to do some research on this as I never touch the stuff but the particular type of Beverage you mention is apparently well catered for all over town. The town itself is little more than a 5-10 minute hobbling/stumbling from the football ground.

Or, you can visit our Club bar where apparently you can get a fresh can of Carling, purchased directly from Morrissons prior to the game.

 :scarf:

Thanks for the info, nd I did actually have down as scotch man!!!!


Oh and its 'pining'.
Cheers
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Mallard on February 06, 2021, 01:27:33 PM
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Surely the correct thing for the healthy fit footballers who were offered the vaccine to do, would be to question whether there were perhaps more deserving people who could be offered this vaccine ahead of themselves  who in truth shouldn’t be anywhere near a vaccine until maybe September.

I guess now they have received their first dose they will be taking someone else place in 12 weeks when it comes to the booster.


Shame  and head hanging springs to mind.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Realist on February 06, 2021, 01:55:00 PM
Tupist as I said in my post that initiated your involvement here, more is expected of a full time club and no excuses, since then all you have done is try to excuse a growing number of poor detail from Chesterfield.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 06, 2021, 02:00:19 PM
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Surely the correct thing for the healthy fit footballers who were offered the vaccine to do, would be to question whether there were perhaps more deserving people who could be offered this vaccine ahead of themselves  who in truth shouldn’t be anywhere near a vaccine until maybe September.

I guess now they have received their first dose they will be taking someone else place in 12 weeks when it comes to the booster.


Shame  and head hanging springs to mind.

Give over.


Scenario.
Medical centre 2 hours before closing.

Admin person , ,"oh Tom, Dick, Harry, and Donald ain't turned up, what do we do with the vacine?"
Manager. "I'll go down the list."
Potential client. " Ay up duck (Derbyshire speak to wife ) I've just had e text to go for a jab, I've got to  fill this form out on mi phone"
 Wife "Where is it and How are you getting there.
Patient.  " Dronfield, must be 5 mile, I'll ring for a taxi , oh **** I've just deleted my form"

Times ticking, the vacine will be wasted maybe one call  could solve the problem. Could it be known as initiative.??

All speculative of course.

The main point which our friend Blue and yellow seems to side step, is the spiteful actions (being kind) of an ex director and also crass journalism by the mirror.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 06, 2021, 02:10:50 PM
If someone from Chesterfield FC had seized the initiative and been proactive, in making  local vaccination  centres aware of people who could quickly get there. Thus saving jabs going to waste, then well done. Probably a better use of time than pleading poverty to the Press all the time.

Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 06, 2021, 02:14:59 PM


The main point which our friend Blue and yellow seems to side step, is the spiteful actions (being kind) of an ex director and also crass journalism by the mirror.

 :laughcry: Me side step? That's rich!  :laughcry:

That's got nothing to do with any of the points raised on here. Who reported it is not the issue on here. That's entirely an issue between you, your club and the person you claim reported it. I would guess that some would think that he did the right thing, even if his true  intentions were spiteful. Personally, I don't care about you internal squabbling.

I do care about Football Clubs and players believing they are a special case, and not just during the Pandemic.

Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 06, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
The Centre would have details of people they can call if there are surplus supplies. I would also have thought that these Clubs who are  (or claim they are) at the centre of the community would also know people who would be higher up the list than fit 20 year olds.

Hopefully the investigation will show that everything was ok and protocol was followed.

If someone from Chesterfield FC had seized the initiative and been proactive, in making  local vaccination  centres aware of people who could quickly get there. Thus saving jabs going to waste, then well done. Probably a better use of time than pleading poverty to the Press all the time.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 06, 2021, 02:28:02 PM
Oh the irony. As the thread title says Match Off. One of our players as tested positive today.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 06, 2021, 02:30:00 PM
Oh the irony. As the thread title says Match Off. One of our players as tested positive today.

Genuinely sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: Game off.
Post by: Tupist on February 06, 2021, 02:41:52 PM
Oh the irony. As the thread title says Match Off. One of our players as tested positive today.

Genuinely sorry to hear that.

Appreciated, thanks
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