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Title: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 07, 2021, 10:20:38 AM
Ollie Bayliss

@Ollie_Bayliss

12h

The National League plans to introduce mandatory lateral flow testing across all 66 clubs from the week commencing 15th February.

Tests will be provided at no cost to clubs, who will be instructed to test twice a week.

The plan still needs final approval from the League Board
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 07, 2021, 11:17:28 AM
Just adds to the farce IMO.........bit late in the day....why the hell didn't they do it earlier.........the leagues might  be well over half way if they had. York for example, I believe have played something like 12 matches so far...so only another 30 to play. If we get going by mid Feb, that's 15 weeks till the end of May......so 2 matches a week, every week, allowing for no postponements at all........so it's already touch and go whether that's feasible.......add in any delays for the  many NLN clubs that will need grants to continue......... ..
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 07, 2021, 11:32:03 AM
Just read on BBC News (so it has to be true  :laughcry:) that the Govt are now supplying free flow tests to Companies with 50 employees (previously 250).

Not sure if NL have tapped into this or if what they are doing is their own initiative.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 07, 2021, 11:34:18 AM
When will the league realise that without income the clubs cannot survive. Covid testing is just a part of the problem. Why don't the league provide the funds to the clubs so they can continue and  then the clubs can organise the tests themselves.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 07, 2021, 11:45:27 AM
When will the league realise that without income the clubs cannot survive. Covid testing is just a part of the problem. Why don't the league provide the funds to the clubs so they can continue and  then the clubs can organise the tests themselves.

Looking after their own self interest and not showing a United front (although nothing new there).

From what I can see its a case of the have's and have not's.

Haves:

NL have lucrative sponsorship deals which they are probably terrified of losing or having to pay back.

Top NL teams feel they have a chance of league football, so sod the Pandemic and the wider population.

Top NL teams have the finances to continue.


Have not's:

No money to continue unless supporters are allowed to return. Playing with the big boys and having the financial reserves to be able to do so must have come as a shock to some.


I agree with Cleeve on this. One word sums it all up.

Farcical.

Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 07, 2021, 11:55:07 AM
Agree B&G...however i would and i think many more people would have alot more sympathy for the have nots....if they'd not blown £84K a month into the wind on the "expectation" of more money coming along....surely a wise business man would have said....what we have is what we've got....the rest will help us see this storm out.....not spend it on transfers....that now in all hindsight have made next to know difference to the teams position.
Where would we have been without the money spent on them transfers?
Bottom 3?
Hang on...... :dontknow: :dontknow:

It really is farcical at best but unfortunately there are owners/chairmen who have attributed to that fact
I for one wont be handing out any money to any go fund page.....sorry....charity starts at home.... :cheers:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 07, 2021, 12:11:47 PM
Agree B&G...however i would and i think many more people would have alot more sympathy for the have nots....if they'd not blown £84K a month into the wind on the "expectation" of more money coming along....surely a wise business man would have said....what we have is what we've got....the rest will help us see this storm out.....not spend it on transfers....that now in all hindsight have made next to know difference to the teams position.
Where would we have been without the money spent on them transfers?
Bottom 3?
Hang on...... :dontknow: :dontknow:

It really is farcical at best but unfortunately there are owners/chairmen who have attributed to that fact
I for one wont be handing out any money to any go fund page.....sorry....charity starts at home.... :cheers:

I think it could be a interesting and worrying next few days for Lynn supporters.

If there's no more Grant money and the Clubs are forced to continue, where does the money come from? We are now in the drop zone (although games in hand on one of our rivals).

At the reported 100k a month to run the club and the best part of 4 months to go. Will the club be prepared to spend another 400k in an attempt to retain its place in top tier of NL? If things don't improve on pitch, that could be seen as throwing 400k towards a team facing relegation. :dontknow:

Tough call.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 07, 2021, 12:32:38 PM
Don't think we will be the only team refusing to play.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 07, 2021, 12:52:30 PM
Don't think we will be the only team refusing to play.

That's as long as we do refuse. Have we refused yet?

Hopefully you are correct and there's strength in numbers.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 07, 2021, 01:03:32 PM
SC has said he canít/wonít fund it for the rest of the season.  So without Gov funding the League has a choice of letting those "have not" clubs finish their season now or risk them going pop.

The National League board has much to answer in the way it has allowed its clubs get this mess.

It gave Clubs 84k a month ( which they took to mean every month for the rest of the season). Some of those clubs must have thought it was Christmas Day every month. 

Maybe this scenario will offer SC some insight into the future and make him realise that he maybe canít afford to fly solo on this project.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Non League on February 07, 2021, 02:19:11 PM
You can put some blame on the league, but don't forget Cleeve and many other clubs last season pushed hard for the league to be classed 'elite status' just so they could resume and chase promotion. Had they accepted their position like rest of non league, the argument wouldn't even be here now.

Non league has been a mess financially for years, and the start of the pandemic have just highlighted it even more about how short sighted a lot of clubs are and how many are happy to **** money away overnight.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 07, 2021, 02:30:01 PM
You're right Non League....the saying you reap what you sow has never had a more truer ring to it... :oldman"
Well.....I hope I am wrong.....and will gladly accept being told so if it is in fact the case, but
1. I think the NL WILL continue......even if it's just to get to a position ppg can be used
 and
2. Cleeve will never change his opinion of flying solo on this project....he calls the shots with a few yes men around him....that suits his purpose ideally

In the next few weeks we shall see.....are people claiming poverty hoping for a hand out?  :bankrupt:...
 :countingmoney:
Or
Will we sadly see that this in fact is a very very harsh reality for some clubs... :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 07, 2021, 02:57:25 PM
The 2019/2020 season finished early. There's was zero chance of the Pandemic being over at any time during the 2020/2021 season, so it was always going to be impacted at sometime and in some manner. That's not something we know with the benefit of hindsight. It appeared obvious to everyone apart from the football authorities and the Clubs themselves.

Were any Plan B's put in place? Maybe we are doing some of  the Clubs an injustice and those that had a Plan B are the same  ones who find themselves in the enviable position of hoping the League will continue.   :dontknow:

I realise there is enough going on at the moment with the crisis NL finds itself in, but the chances are that the virus will still be with us and in a dangerous form well into next season as well. They are forecasting that some form of restrictions will still be with us until the end of the year at least. How severe these restriction will be is any ones guess as its very much a moving target (personally I believe these mutations are more worrying than they are letting on).

Although the current mess has got to be sorted out first, surely they need to be making some sort of alternative plans for next season as well. If not, we could well be having these very same problems and discussions next season.

Always expect the unexpected.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 07, 2021, 06:08:20 PM
Football helping itself:

Anthony Johnson

@amjonno
 ∑ 5 Feb
2nd in the league.

Played everyone away from home in the top 7 bar Fylde.

10 players and staff members working for FREE.

Trained in every town in the NW.

The sacrifices made by this group canít compared to at our level.

Absolutely devastated but totally understand...

 :thanks:  :thanks:   :thanks:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 07, 2021, 06:26:05 PM
Dover Chairman resigns from NL Board.

Ollie Bayliss

@Ollie_Bayliss

3h

Dover Chairman, Jim Parmenter, has resigned from the National League Board.

 ďI can no longer support the direction of travel that the board is taking & Iím afraid I can no longer be seen to be party to actions which I absolutely disagree with."


I wonder who would want to take on that position?
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 07, 2021, 06:33:39 PM
Some real good could come out of this mess.

I sense that the NL Board's position may become untenable before long.

The government are not best pleased with the way funding was allocated and an Independent Report has been swept under the table, much to the disgust of those producing it. There is a sense that big change is required in the way the leagues are run.

Should the clubs round on the Board en masse, I think a huge change might not be too far off.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 07, 2021, 06:38:13 PM
Some real good could come out of this mess.

I sense that the NL Board's position may become untenable before long.

The government are not best pleased with the way funding was allocated and an Independent Report has been swept under the table, much to the disgust of those producing it. There is a sense that big change is required in the way the leagues are run.

Should the clubs round on the Board en masse, I think a huge change might not be too far off.

If they are all replaced, how to ensure we would not be subjected to more of the same?   :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 07, 2021, 07:18:44 PM
Dover Chairman resigns from NL Board.

Ollie Bayliss

@Ollie_Bayliss

3h

Dover Chairman, Jim Parmenter, has resigned from the National League Board.


 ďI can no longer support the direction of travel that the board is taking & Iím afraid I can no longer be seen to be party to actions which I absolutely disagree with."


I wonder who would want to take on that position?

Hmm, someone who likes media attention perhaps.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 07, 2021, 09:00:31 PM
Like the inmates running the asylum?

Surely it has to be an independent board that should be running this. 
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 07, 2021, 09:16:20 PM
Should be part of the review of football as a whole, starting with the NL tiers and working up and down, with ministers and shadow ministers involved in the decision process, since it is government money/ loans which has kept and potential will, keep the circus rolling
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 07, 2021, 09:41:32 PM
Dover Chairman, Jim Parmenter has today resigned as a Director of the National League.

In a letter sent to National League Chairman, Brian Barwick and members of the board, Mr Parmenter said:  ďI can no longer support the direction of travel that the board is taking and Iím afraid I can no longer be seen to be a party to actions which I absolutely disagree with.

ďI accept that the board is a collective and whilst as a member, it is a prerequisite that, in public, the board and its Chairman are supported.  I have therefore chosen to resign, in order to say what I really believe publicly.

ďThe lack of grant funding should have been properly addressed in late December or at least very early January. As it stands it is likely to be two months with no funds for clubs before any sort of resolution is forthcoming.

ďI am in particular disagreement that the executive appears to be encouraging clubs to take large loans to complete the season, as I have said twice at board meetings I believe that the competition rules are being broken by allowing the proposed loans, let alone encouraging them. (Page 155 Appendices 08 of the rule book).

ďThe league has for ten years insisted that clubs manage their financial affairs prudently and has had great success and received much praise for the results, now that is all to be thrown to the dogs and for what?

ďI understand why the bigger, richer clubs with chances of promotion are pushing hard to continue, but in a sense they are asking smaller clubs with no crowds or income who are playing for no reason to take large loans and probably overstretch themselves with dire consequences, to subsidise the larger clubs ambitions. I do not agree with that position.
 :hide:b
ďThe board has very little credibility as an organisation within our clubs and I believe the decision to send letters to clubs who find it difficult to play, threatening sanctions was ill-conceived and will do nothing to unite the competition in what continues to be a very divisive time.  Even if the vote is to continue I do not believe that the league will be able to continue in any credible form or with integrity for another five months.

ďThere are some very good people on the board and I do not seek to criticise individuals, but as a body, I do not believe we have shown strong, relevant leadership. Our governance  has descended into chaos and some decisions made by the board seem to change when interpreted by the executive.Ē
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 08, 2021, 12:26:47 PM
shame he didn't stay until after vote.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Non League on February 08, 2021, 12:41:36 PM

Well.....I hope I am wrong.....and will gladly accept being told so if it is in fact the case, but
1. I think the NL WILL continue......even if it's just to get to a position ppg can be used
 and

This will be the interesting part for me. I feel Step 1 will continue and Step 2 will be null & void, in which case what do King's Lynn do? Continue ****ing money up the wall for nothing to gain, because they won't be making play offs and won't be relegated (as there'll be no relegation due to no promotion below)? Or furlough contracted players, and play a lot of the younger players, and accept quite a lot of big defeats over rest of season to save money.

Don't think King's Lynn would be only club contemplating this if Step 1 continues with no relegation.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 08, 2021, 02:07:41 PM
I agree Non League...very interesting few weeks ahead.
I personally believe all 3 divisions should be null and void....but I believed that is what should have happened at the end of last season.
We've all seen teams rally in the last few games to avoid relegation or win a league...its what makes the game what it is.....mistakes, pressure, highs and lows
To hand over trophies, promotion, play off slots, relegations was not done in the true spirit of the game but more at the whim and moans of men more interested in the money side.

I have a feeling somehow the powers that be will fudge a way through this and there will be games played at all 3 divisions so leagues can see out the season with promotions and relegations intact.

Dont ask me how....I dont know...like I said I hope I am wrong....I really do

But football is a funny old game and is regularly proving it's being run but alot of funny old men who haven't got the foggiest, or indeed the inclination to do what is right.
Money talks in the premiership and even though compared to the premiership at non league level it's a whisper....its still there....and is at the root of all the decisions made.
Non league football at this precise moment to use an analogy is Rome and the chairman of the board is Nero.... :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 11, 2021, 11:09:20 AM
The end may be in sight, but still a long way to go. Is there really any point in continuing this season, when restrictions could possibly be here (in some shape or form) for part of next season?

Comment from Sage this morning:

End in sight?

Expert predicts UK could be Ďmore or less' free of Covid crisis by Christmas.

Professor John Edmunds, who is part of the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), renewed hopes in a relatively imminent end of the coronavirus lockdown. The expert said the UK should be "more or less free" of the worst effects of the virus by December, though some preventative rules could stay "probably forever".

Prof Edmunds told ITV's Robert Peston: "I think we will be more or less free of this by the end of this year... say Christmas."

But he warned tougher restrictions were currently needed in order to curb the spread of new variants of the pathogen.

The expert said: "I think we do have to keep our borders pretty tight at the moment - nobody likes this.

"But we've identified these significant new variants that are out there and we need to be able to arm ourselves against them and we don't have new vaccines that could potentially arm ourselves against these new variants yet.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 11, 2021, 12:47:41 PM
Completely agree B & G there is no sense in trying to continue the season at all. This is a good point to stop.....not even half way for most clubs. I personally think that even if they tried to complete and all clubs could afford to go on, they wouldn't get it done before the end of June....... restrictions will still be in place to keep new mutations at bay for some time yet and plenty of postponements will keep coming as players have to self isolate. But the over riding concern has to be everyone's health and even with regular testing teams are being asked to take unwise risks and by taking them they are not only endangering their health, but also unnecessarily adding to the potential viral spread.
I am of the opinion that those who can't see that need to be told quite firmly by a higher authority.
With further new variants having been detected, that may happen sooner rather than later



Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 11, 2021, 12:54:59 PM
And if they do carry on this season, when next season comes along, and if there are still restrictions in place so Clubs income is still being decimated, what are they going to do then?

Ask for further bail outs? 

 :banghead;

For so many reasons it should all be stopped. We should be discussing what the plans are for next season if restrictions are still in place, not still going on about this season!
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 11, 2021, 02:42:01 PM
was due to go to show at corn exchange in June now rescheduled until next June Pity the shower called National League haven't got same commonsense.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 11, 2021, 02:49:55 PM
was due to go to show at corn exchange in June now rescheduled until next June Pity the shower called National League haven't got same commonsense.

They know exactly what they are doing.

Servicing their own selfish needs.

Not taking into account anything other than what's best for them!

Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Paul47 on February 11, 2021, 05:07:51 PM
Dulwich Hamlet (and other NLN/NLS clubs) have been charged (likely to be fined) by the league for not playing their last 2 fixtures and Southport have been sent correspondence by the league warning them they same will happen if they don't play their fixtures. Would explain why Lynn are still playing?
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 11, 2021, 05:30:56 PM
The time has come for all national league teams including north And south to grow some balls and all group together and refuse to play.Indivdual teams cannot go it alone otherwise the league  are just going along handing out fines.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 11, 2021, 05:43:50 PM
But that's part of the problem gs.....certain owners/chairmen are keeping their cards close to their chest.....claiming poverty and hoping for a bail out....if staff/player safety was truly the concern.....what are they waiting for??.... :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 11, 2021, 05:47:43 PM
I would think that the majority of the Club in the National League would wish to continue.   Just shows you the strength of the League we find ourselves in.

Going forward of SC still has ambitions to take Lynn into the EFL then he is going to have to find some serious wonga to fulfil that ambition.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 11, 2021, 06:03:14 PM
Dulwich Hamlet (and other NLN/NLS clubs) have been charged (likely to be fined) by the league for not playing their last 2 fixtures and Southport have been sent correspondence by the league warning them they same will happen if they don't play their fixtures. Would explain why Lynn are still playing?

How much is the fine compared to how much they would lose if they kept playing?   :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 11, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
If you read theetters on Ollie Bayliss twitter there is the threat of expulsion which is why all teams should group together.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: admin on February 11, 2021, 06:37:41 PM
How much is the fine compared to how much they would lose if they kept playing?   :dontknow:

(https://i.ibb.co/9byvByX/dulwich2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9byvByX)
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 12, 2021, 10:47:58 AM
With all these fines being handed out to clubs who fail to fulfil fixtures the League should be coining  it.

Fancy taking money from Clubs who havenít got it because of the League Managements incompetence.

What a bloody shower they are.  Should hang their heads in shame.  Or better still resign.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 12, 2021, 01:03:17 PM
it's not just fines they are also handing opposition the points. I think league are trying to get to 75% games played than will then go PPG. Didn't they pass that resolution in summer. This all makes you very cynical.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: admin on February 12, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
League statement sent to all clubs

(https://i.ibb.co/wcK561s/leaguestatement.png) (https://ibb.co/wcK561s)
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 12, 2021, 04:04:53 PM
for 12 months now have been sitting in front of this window and the number of pigs I have seen flying past. No such thing as independent panels where football leagues are concerned.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 12, 2021, 04:15:40 PM
Precisely gs.....about as independent as the panel that decide on an MPs payrise..... :red card: :countingmoney: :countingmoney:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Nikki on February 12, 2021, 06:51:26 PM
Is there a Media blackout currently in force at the Club? People who usually like to use social media platforms to excess are very quiet at the moment.
I'd like to know what the people in charge are actually doing to keep the club going without much income. Do they intend to carry on if the vote says they should? Is the Chairman prepared to put more money in or has he spoken to the Trust? Does he intend to lauch a major fund raising campaign? Does the club need saving or is it all ok?
These are the type of things the club can tell us now as they don't need the National League to make these decisions.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on February 12, 2021, 07:54:51 PM
Is there a Media blackout currently in force at the Club? People who usually like to use social media platforms to excess are very quiet at the moment.
I'd like to know what the people in charge are actually doing to keep the club going without much income. Do they intend to carry on if the vote says they should? Is the Chairman prepared to put more money in or has he spoken to the Trust? Does he intend to lauch a major fund raising campaign? Does the club need saving or is it all ok?
These are the type of things the club can tell us now as they don't need the National League to make these decisions.

   :oldman" :farmer: I really do like the sentenceĒ does he intend to launch a major fund raising campaign" over the years there have been many of these launched,and nobody or indeed companies seem prepared to put money into the present set up for one reason or another. I am not privy to the reason why, but why launch anymore fundraising issues when they clearly fail at KLTFC at this point in our history. :oldman" :farmer:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 12, 2021, 07:55:41 PM
Is there a Media blackout currently in force at the Club? People who usually like to use social media platforms to excess are very quiet at the moment.
I'd like to know what the people in charge are actually doing to keep the club going without much income. Do they intend to carry on if the vote says they should? Is the Chairman prepared to put more money in or has he spoken to the Trust? Does he intend to lauch a major fund raising campaign? Does the club need saving or is it all ok?
These are the type of things the club can tell us now as they don't need the National League to make these decisions.

Why would he speak to the Trust?  :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 12, 2021, 08:08:09 PM
Interest in the well being of the club with cash on the hip seems a decent enough reason
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 13, 2021, 07:41:26 AM
Interest in the well being of the club with cash on the hip seems a decent enough reason

Yes sounds good doesn't it.  Until you realise that a , say 20% stake in the club is bought. This also comes with a 20% share of club debts, and 20% share of future spending shortfalls.  Just ask those involved with the Barrow Trust. 
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 13, 2021, 09:58:03 AM
Is there a Media blackout currently in force at the Club? People who usually like to use social media platforms to excess are very quiet at the moment.
I'd like to know what the people in charge are actually doing to keep the club going without much income. Do they intend to carry on if the vote says they should? Is the Chairman prepared to put more money in or has he spoken to the Trust? Does he intend to lauch a major fund raising campaign? Does the club need saving or is it all ok?
These are the type of things the club can tell us now as they don't need the National League to make these decisions.

   :oldman" :farmer: I really do like the sentenceĒ does he intend to launch a major fund raising campaign" over the years there have been many of these launched,and nobody or indeed companies seem prepared to put money into the present set up for one reason or another. I am not privy to the reason why, but why launch anymore fundraising issues when they clearly fail at KLTFC at this point in our history. :oldman" :farmer:

I've not seen any major fund raising campaigns. I've seen a couple of well meaning minor efforts from supporters and others efforts which were basically a "give me money", Nothing that could be described as major though.

Chairman putting more money in? Why would he do that with so much uncertainty around? Although its possibly the only way he would have any chance of getting any of his loans back. Even if he's financially capable of loaning more to the Club, it must be a difficult call for him and his advisers.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 13, 2021, 10:02:34 AM
Interest in the well being of the club with cash on the hip seems a decent enough reason

Yes sounds good doesn't it.  Until you realise that a , say 20% stake in the club is bought. This also comes with a 20% share of club debts, and 20% share of future spending shortfalls.  Just ask those involved with the Barrow Trust.

You asked why would the Chairman speak to the Trust.   That was the question I was replying to.   Not why would the Trust speak to the Chairman.  Obviously before any series money was handed over, by anyone those loans would need wiping out.  I seem recall SC saying it was only an accounting thing.   So that shouldnt present a problem.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 13, 2021, 02:37:56 PM
Interest in the well being of the club with cash on the hip seems a decent enough reason

Yes sounds good doesn't it.  Until you realise that a , say 20% stake in the club is bought. This also comes with a 20% share of club debts, and 20% share of future spending shortfalls.  Just ask those involved with the Barrow Trust.

Apparently the Chairman has previously said to a senior staff member that if he ever walked away from the Club he would write off the debt owed to him.

If he stayed and worked in conjunction with other's, I assume he may be wiiling to offer something similar to any incoming party.

Everything can be negotiable when people are willing to co-operate with each other.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 13, 2021, 03:42:59 PM
By my unconfirmed calculations there is now a majority for null and voiding step 2, provided Resolution 1 passes. NLN and NLS appear to have cancelled each other out re Resolution 1 (4votes each), so it all depends on how step 1 has voted re Resolution 1........or maybe that should be" will vote", given how slow the voting is.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 13, 2021, 03:53:32 PM
Interest in the well being of the club with cash on the hip seems a decent enough reason

Yes sounds good doesn't it.  Until you realise that a , say 20% stake in the club is bought. This also comes with a 20% share of club debts, and 20% share of future spending shortfalls.  Just ask those involved with the Barrow Trust.

Apparently the Chairman has previously said to a senior staff member that if he ever walked away from the Club he would write off the debt owed to him.

If he stayed and worked in conjunction with other's, I assume he may be wiiling to offer something similar to any incoming party.

Everything can be negotiable when people are willing to co-operate with each other.



And with Mr Cleeves infamous past.....would you trust him B&G.... :laughcry:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 13, 2021, 08:15:51 PM




And with Mr Cleeves infamous past.....would you trust him B&G.... :laughcry:

As Boris and his No.2 Matt Hancock always say when asked questions during their Corona Virus updates.

Thatís a very good question to ask!
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 14, 2021, 10:14:29 AM
I see Dover have finally pulled the plug and stopped playing for the foreseeable.......have furloughed all their players, returned their loan players to their parent clubs.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 14, 2021, 10:16:31 AM
http://www.doverathletic.com/news/club-statement-11/
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Non League on February 14, 2021, 12:08:28 PM
Fully expect King's Lynn to do the same, but I guess for them it'll be once North/South are null & void so relegation is 100% off the table.

Be interesting if it does happen, if we see some former players return who'd be happy to play for free if expenses are covered such as travel (if they're available with no loss of earnings from work) such as Pedro etc. (that's if they're not on contracts with current clubs).
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 14, 2021, 12:36:54 PM
Fully expect King's Lynn to do the same, but I guess for them it'll be once North/South are null & void so relegation is 100% off the table.



The silence is deafening!
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 14, 2021, 12:39:19 PM
http://www.doverathletic.com/news/club-statement-11/

Well I take my hat off to him....at least he has stood by his first statement and shown some balls.
The silence from some chairmen and clubs is deafening....but Dover Fc may have just shown the way for the rest to follow and can hold their head up.... :salute:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 14, 2021, 02:12:29 PM
What can he say ?    It sounds very much like unless someone comes up with a big pile of cash then we are in the brown  smelly stuff
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 14, 2021, 03:19:47 PM
That's a bit over negative I feel Mall.
IF and it's a fairly big if, Resolution 1 passes then step 2 will be null and voided.....so no relegation from Step 1. A few clubs in the NL will have to furlough immediately and a few will be in that situation within a few weeks. The remainder are affluent enough to be able to continue. It's pointless teams being allowed to put out lower strength sides from an integrity point of view.......so I can see the top half of just the NL being allowed to play out their own mini league to provide a promotion / relegation to/from league 2, if the EFL permit it. If the EFL doesn't permit it, then NL will also be null and voided.
So hopefully in a couple of days time the votes come through as we hope and within another week or so Lynn can furlough and regroup for next season in the NL
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 14, 2021, 04:27:49 PM
just remind me what does resolution 1 say
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 14, 2021, 04:34:33 PM
SC is on the record as saying it costs in excess of 100k per month to keep this club afloat.  With no income for Jan/Feb coming in thatís over 200k he has had to shell out.   

Restart and go again in Aug you say.  Do you think that by the world will be back to pre-Covid days ?   That we can see gates of 2,000 at The Walks paying £25 a pop ?  If not then thatís more £ that SC is going to have stump up.

It might sound negative to you, but the silence from the owner has been deafening.  Where is our plan ?  Just maybe he doesnít have one
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Non League on February 14, 2021, 05:05:17 PM
Must be looking at around £15k pw wage bill if so, which is mental.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 14, 2021, 05:26:45 PM
Must be looking at around £15k pw wage bill if so, which is mental.

I would guess that's not far off as far as players go.

Then there's IC, MH just to name 2.

100k a month may (or may not ) be a slight exaggeration, but whatever it is, its all got to be found from somewhere.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 14, 2021, 05:53:28 PM
IF it is a players wage bill of 15k per week for us to sit in the bottom 3 imagine what it would cost to make us competitive at this level.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 14, 2021, 06:07:02 PM
That's where proper governance comes in. After the votes are in and decisions made, then the rumblings will really begin and there will be significant pressure for change in the way things are run. Hopefully this will result in real change, with clubs needing to exhibit a certain financial robustness andthere being definite and realistic wage caps, to stop clubs just buying their way through the leagues. It's madness for some NL clubs to be paying League 1 wages.



I really don't see the current situation as negative...it has potential to create the change that is necessary. SC is quite right to remain reticent and let things play out for just a little longer, if he can.
Within just a few days now it should start to become clearer. No point in quoting current wage structures....if change does come, it could come in a hurry.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 14, 2021, 06:23:26 PM
That's where proper governance comes in. After the votes are in and decisions made, then the rumblings will really begin and there will be significant pressure for change in the way things are run. Hopefully this will result in real change, with clubs needing to exhibit a certain financial robustness andthere being definite and realistic wage caps, to stop clubs just buying their way through the leagues. It's madness for some NL clubs to be paying League 1 wages.



I really don't see the current situation as negative...it has potential to create the change that is necessary. SC is quite right to remain reticent and let things play out for just a little longer, if he can.
Within just a few days now it should start to become clearer. No point in quoting current wage structures....if change does come, it could come in a hurry.

It would be nice Kes, but I'm not so convinced that things will change. People get involved with Clubs, splash some cash, certain sections of fan base think they are wonderful while winning, cash dries up (Pandemic or not), results suffer, gates go down..........ever decreasing circles.

One of the problems that I can see is that the people in authority have the same mindset as these people that get involed at Clubs and want to buy success. How's it going to change while this is the case and its all self governing?

Regarding the Club being silent at the moment. There's nothing wrong with the Club telling the supporters that there's nothing to report as yet rather than just saying nothing. If that's the case, then let them know.

Two scenario's. They either continue to play, or they don't. Presumably which direction the Club will go in depends on at least a  couple of things, being the vote, and additional funding.

You would like to think they know by now what they are going to do, whichever direction they go in, so I can't see why they can't inform the supporters of this.

After all its only keeping the people that they keep asking money from, in the loop.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 14, 2021, 06:24:29 PM
IF it is a players wage bill of 15k per week for us to sit in the bottom 3 imagine what it would cost to make us competitive at this level.

Salford's owners put in £2.5 million the season they left the National League.  :countingmoney:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 14, 2021, 06:46:49 PM
That's where proper governance comes in. After the votes are in and decisions made, then the rumblings will really begin and there will be significant pressure for change in the way things are run. Hopefully this will result in real change, with clubs needing to exhibit a certain financial robustness andthere being definite and realistic wage caps, to stop clubs just buying their way through the leagues. It's madness for some NL clubs to be paying League 1 wages.



I really don't see the current situation as negative...it has potential to create the change that is necessary. SC is quite right to remain reticent and let things play out for just a little longer, if he can.
Within just a few days now it should start to become clearer. No point in quoting current wage structures....if change does come, it could come in a hurry.

It would be nice Kes, but I'm not so convinced that things will change. People get involved with Clubs, splash some cash, certain sections of fan base think they are wonderful while winning, cash dries up (Pandemic or not), results suffer, gates go down..........ever decreasing circles.

One of the problems that I can see is that the people in authority have the same mindset as these people that get involed at Clubs and want to buy success. How's it going to change while this is the case and its all self governing?

Regarding the Club being silent at the moment. Sorry but can't agree with that either. There's nothing wrong with the Club telling the supporters that there's nothing to report as yet. If that's the case, then let them know.

Two scenario's. They either continue to play, or not. Presumably which direction the Club will go in depends on at least a  couple of things, being the vote, and additional funding.

You would like to think they know by now what they are going to do, whichever direction they go in, so I can't see why they can't inform the supporters of this.

After all its only keeping the people that they keep asking money from, in the loop.   :dontknow:



I don't think it's wise at this stage B &G to divulge too much, unless like Dover, you absolutely have to. The way things are at the moment there could be many a twist and turn as the present encumbants in the Board act and react to events. Far better to play a waiting game if possible in order to try and pick a way through it. Hardly any disclosure from any of the other NL clubs apart from Dover...and with good reason.

You say you can't imagine change, but if the leagues can't conclude credibly and that has a knock on effect on Vanarama sponsorship and BT Sport coverage and Elite status and tarnishes the relationship with the EFL, I can see a massive shake up ensuing...... let's see.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 14, 2021, 06:47:31 PM
15k-50k. They are suggested parameters?   15k buys you a relegation scrap.  50k per week gets you promotion.   

As for salary caps.  The EFL DiV one set theirís at 1.5m for this season.  Of course the big clubs werenít happy with that.  Neither was the PFA.   Itís now been scraped.   So if the Clubs donít want it,  the players donít want it. Who is exactly going to push this through ?  With the NL set up filled with Ex League Clubs desperate to get back into the EFL then I can see that as non starter.

Have a count up of ex League Clubs are now in the NLN and the NL
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 14, 2021, 07:20:08 PM
15k-50k. They are suggested parameters?   15k buys you a relegation scrap.  50k per week gets you promotion.   

As for salary caps.  The EFL DiV one set theirís at 1.5m for this season.  Of course the big clubs werenít happy with that.  Neither was the PFA.   Itís now been scraped.   So if the Clubs donít want it,  the players donít want it. Who is exactly going to push this through ?  With the NL set up filled with Ex League Clubs desperate to get back into the EFL then I can see that as non starter.

Have a count up of ex League Clubs are now in the NLN and the NL

19/20?   :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 14, 2021, 07:23:13 PM
That's where proper governance comes in. After the votes are in and decisions made, then the rumblings will really begin and there will be significant pressure for change in the way things are run. Hopefully this will result in real change, with clubs needing to exhibit a certain financial robustness andthere being definite and realistic wage caps, to stop clubs just buying their way through the leagues. It's madness for some NL clubs to be paying League 1 wages.



I really don't see the current situation as negative...it has potential to create the change that is necessary. SC is quite right to remain reticent and let things play out for just a little longer, if he can.
Within just a few days now it should start to become clearer. No point in quoting current wage structures....if change does come, it could come in a hurry.

It would be nice Kes, but I'm not so convinced that things will change. People get involved with Clubs, splash some cash, certain sections of fan base think they are wonderful while winning, cash dries up (Pandemic or not), results suffer, gates go down..........ever decreasing circles.

One of the problems that I can see is that the people in authority have the same mindset as these people that get involed at Clubs and want to buy success. How's it going to change while this is the case and its all self governing?

Regarding the Club being silent at the moment. Sorry but can't agree with that either. There's nothing wrong with the Club telling the supporters that there's nothing to report as yet. If that's the case, then let them know.

Two scenario's. They either continue to play, or not. Presumably which direction the Club will go in depends on at least a  couple of things, being the vote, and additional funding.

You would like to think they know by now what they are going to do, whichever direction they go in, so I can't see why they can't inform the supporters of this.

After all its only keeping the people that they keep asking money from, in the loop.   :dontknow:



I don't think it's wise at this stage B &G to divulge too much, unless like Dover, you absolutely have to. The way things are at the moment there could be many a twist and turn as the present encumbants in the Board act and react to events. Far better to play a waiting game if possible in order to try and pick a way through it. Hardly any disclosure from any of the other NL clubs apart from Dover...and with good reason.

You say you can't imagine change, but if the leagues can't conclude credibly and that has a knock on effect on Vanarama sponsorship and BT Sport coverage and Elite status and tarnishes the relationship with the EFL, I can see a massive shake up ensuing...... let's see.

I understand where you are coming from, but saying nothing and not communicating with the supporters, isn't  the answer.

So what will be the first thing the supporters hear after such a period of silence?

Give me your money?

 :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 14, 2021, 07:33:54 PM
https://youtu.be/4B2a6l6wM2k
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 14, 2021, 07:37:07 PM
Yes B & G, can obviously see where you are coming from and in most cases would agree...keep the communication lines open with the very people you may be relying on to fill the Stadium later.
However, if I was a Chairman of a club in the NL I would be playing my cards close to the chest....we have seen only recently the type of knee jerk reaction than can emanate from the Board over the initial threats issued to clubs who are unable to fulfill fixtures, then moderated as the number of dissenters increased.

It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that if step 2 nulls and voids, so that grants for continuing the season are not warranted at that step, that a  small  number of grants might be available for struggling NL clubs to save the integrity of the league and enable promotion/relegation with League 2
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 14, 2021, 07:45:16 PM
15k-50k. They are suggested parameters?   15k buys you a relegation scrap.  50k per week gets you promotion.   

As for salary caps.  The EFL DiV one set theirís at 1.5m for this season.  Of course the big clubs werenít happy with that.  Neither was the PFA.   Itís now been scraped.   So if the Clubs donít want it,  the players donít want it. Who is exactly going to push this through ?  With the NL set up filled with Ex League Clubs desperate to get back into the EFL then I can see that as non starter.

Have a count up of ex League Clubs are now in the NLN and the NL





Ex league clubs are ex league clubs.....they are now in the NL and have to abide by the rules of that league.... it's just getting the governance right across all the leagues and I sense ministers and shadow ministers are feeling the time might be right.

Have a count up and see how many ex non league sides from the last 10-20 years are still in Leagues 1 and 2.....     you don't have to be a great mathematician to realise it's the same figure...19/20.....but they are not demanding NL rules, because they are ex NL........just as an ex parrot.......is an ex parrot
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 14, 2021, 07:59:10 PM
Norwegian Blue, beautiful plumage or otherwise are not found in the NL.

If you look at the Clubs in the National League who driving the Ďletís carry oní campaigner itís the Clubs who have the dosh.  Mainly ex League Clubs.  The smaller Clubs in EFL were happy with wage controls whilst the big boys wanted it removed.   Look who won the day there.

Money talks.

Is this the right Room for an argument ?
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 14, 2021, 08:09:48 PM

It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that if step 2 nulls and voids, so that grants for continuing the season are not warranted at that step, that a  small  number of grants might be available for struggling NL clubs to save the integrity of the league and enable promotion/relegation with League 2

Has that been suggested anywhere?
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 14, 2021, 08:20:44 PM
Yes B & G, can obviously see where you are coming from and in most cases would agree...keep the communication lines open with the very people you may be relying on to fill the Stadium later.
However, if I was a Chairman of a club in the NL I would be playing my cards close to the chest....we have seen only recently the type of knee jerk reaction than can emanate from the Board over the initial threats issued to clubs who are unable to fulfill fixtures, then moderated as the number of dissenters increased.

It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that if step 2 nulls and voids, so that grants for continuing the season are not warranted at that step, that a  small  number of grants might be available for struggling NL clubs to save the integrity of the league and enable promotion/relegation with League 2

Now what exactly constitutes a "struggling NL club"? 
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 14, 2021, 08:21:19 PM
Norwegian Blue, beautiful plumage or otherwise are not found in the NL.

If you look at the Clubs in the National League who driving the Ďletís carry oní campaigner itís the Clubs who have the dosh.  Mainly ex League Clubs.  The smaller Clubs in EFL were happy with wage controls whilst the big boys wanted it removed.   Look who won the day there.

Money talks.

Is this the right Room for an argument



Yes Mall, but you are merely stating the current status quo........things need to change and given the current predicament in the NL, then it's a good place to start. The Government appears unwilling to prop things up and ministers have been having discussions about what needs to happen in football.....I suspect new regs will come in once this shambles has played out.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 14, 2021, 08:26:37 PM
Yes B & G, can obviously see where you are coming from and in most cases would agree...keep the communication lines open with the very people you may be relying on to fill the Stadium later.
However, if I was a Chairman of a club in the NL I would be playing my cards close to the chest....we have seen only recently the type of knee jerk reaction than can emanate from the Board over the initial threats issued to clubs who are unable to fulfill fixtures, then moderated as the number of dissenters increased.

It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that if step 2 nulls and voids, so that grants for continuing the season are not warranted at that step, that a  small  number of grants might be available for struggling NL clubs to save the integrity of the league and enable promotion/relegation with League 2

Now what exactly constitutes a "struggling NL club"?

That will be for the relevant body to determine...be it Sport England, the National league or whoever..... that's much the same question that's having to be asked on all the applications from the 3 leagues at the moment.

Btw there is a 3rd meeting apparently arranged between clubs and Sport England for this coming Friday
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 15, 2021, 08:37:27 AM
Norwegian Blue, beautiful plumage or otherwise are not found in the NL.

If you look at the Clubs in the National League who driving the Ďletís carry oní campaigner itís the Clubs who have the dosh.  Mainly ex League Clubs.  The smaller Clubs in EFL were happy with wage controls whilst the big boys wanted it removed.   Look who won the day there.

Money talks.

Is this the right Room for an argument



Yes Mall, but you are merely stating the current status quo........things need to change and given the current predicament in the NL, then it's a good place to start. The Government appears unwilling to prop things up and ministers have been having discussions about what needs to happen in football.....I suspect new regs will come in once this shambles has played out.

Thatís really all we can deal with is Ďwhat isí. Not what we would like to see.   Of the Gov are not going to prop up the Non League game.  They did that to the tune of 10m and Clubs took the pee and went out and signed players on the back of it.   To me, the Gov appear to have washed their hands of it and will let those running it get in with it.

The people running the NL is a board made up of Club directors who have their own agendaís.   Look at how these people carved up the 10m to the benefit of the NL and hung the other two leagues out to dry. 

KES I hope 100% you have it right and reforms will come.   I fear though it will be like Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Letís revisit this in say August.   Iíll have take lashings of custard with my humble pie, if you are proven right.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 15, 2021, 09:49:47 AM
Yes B & G, can obviously see where you are coming from and in most cases would agree...keep the communication lines open with the very people you may be relying on to fill the Stadium later.
However, if I was a Chairman of a club in the NL I would be playing my cards close to the chest....we have seen only recently the type of knee jerk reaction than can emanate from the Board over the initial threats issued to clubs who are unable to fulfill fixtures, then moderated as the number of dissenters increased.

It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that if step 2 nulls and voids, so that grants for continuing the season are not warranted at that step, that a  small  number of grants might be available for struggling NL clubs to save the integrity of the league and enable promotion/relegation with League 2

Now what exactly constitutes a "struggling NL club"?

Very good point.

If a Clubs owner has the ability and can afford to carry on as before by pumping in 100's of Thousands of pounds, but he decides he no longer wants to continue to do so, can that really be defined as a "struggling Club"? Surely that's just the Owners choice and an attempt to change his business model.

On the other hand, if a Clubs owner has ended up with his backside hanging out of his trousers, and there is no more money in his personal pot to keep a Club alive and kicking, is that a "struggling Club"? Probably (at least more than the first scenario), but that should not automatically mean that they should be given further grants due to the Pandemic and the effect it has had on the Clubs income. There will obviously be a number of Clubs that were going to struggle to survive even prior to the Pandemic, so why should they be given a lifeline via Covid money grant?

That's life, that's business.

It's not just a case of saying "struggling NL Clubs". Its also if they were struggling prior to the Pandemic, and why, that needs to be taken into account.

Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 15, 2021, 01:54:15 PM
SC appealing for someone to hold the camera for the Notts County game tomorrow..........?
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 16, 2021, 08:39:54 AM
Is degree level at Camera holding the requirement KES.   
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 16, 2021, 12:14:38 PM
Certainly is....you must be able to hold it at 180 degree level..... :laughcry:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 16, 2021, 12:53:10 PM
 :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:


That's a helluva lot of swatting........imagine doing that remotely !
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 16, 2021, 12:59:14 PM
I have a hunch that the results of the vote are in..or at least enough to make decisions. Obviously with matches on tonight, no announcements till tomorrow at earliest
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: dillydilly on February 16, 2021, 05:52:45 PM
Most on here are much more clued up on this subject than me, and impressively so.  I can only see that the League should be closed down, for the essential curtailing of the spread of the virus, especially considering the various mutations that weíre not yet confident of beating.  The football and finances are dear to all hearts, but distinctly secondary in the scheme of things.  I think KES and B & G are representative of my way of looking at it.  Then, fingers crossed, we start off late next season, but with perhaps 4 to 5,000 in the ground, and all to play for !!
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: nickc on February 17, 2021, 05:25:11 PM
One or two have mentioned the 75% of games and then ppg as perhaps being what the NL are hoping to achieve. How does that actually work? If every team has to play 75% then that seems unlikely given Dover's stance. Or could it work if 75% of the total number of games within the league have been played? Guess it depends on the small print, but if all teams have to play 75% then could Dover stop that from happening by simply not playing? That would make the mess even messier. Just thinking out loud!
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: admin on February 17, 2021, 05:50:37 PM
Grants promise from National League to clubs Ďunfortunateí says Sports Minister
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/grants-promise-from-national-league-to-clubs-unfortunate-says-sports-minister/
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 17, 2021, 06:05:13 PM
Grants promise from National League to clubs Ďunfortunateí says Sports Minister
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/grants-promise-from-national-league-to-clubs-unfortunate-says-sports-minister/

There ya go then!

This should help a few to make up their minds on what action they intend to take.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 17, 2021, 07:05:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Ollie_Bayliss/status/1362072956768313348?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 17, 2021, 07:37:04 PM
He's actually advocating that those that wish to stop do so with no sanctions and rejoin next season and the remainder carry on and play this season to a finish.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on February 17, 2021, 11:07:09 PM
He's actually advocating that those that wish to stop do so with no sanctions and rejoin next season and the remainder carry on and play this season to a finish.

The Dorking chairmanís approach would only be possible in the N/S though, as those playing in would surely want to be promoted if they won his proposed rump league. And that would need relegation from NL, which would certainly seem like a sanction for not playing out the season.

Though, if N/S is null and voided and they donít have a rump league, then that approved could then work at NL, but only if thereís a guarantee that N/S wonít promote.

And then thereís the whole issue of even if N/S is null and voided, will there be an argument that one club should fill the 24th spot in the NL next season.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 18, 2021, 07:49:30 AM
If Lynn are given the option to end their season, without punishment and they elect to go down this path.    Will they then be able to furlough all staff or will they have to make everyone redundant ?

Have to feel for SC. It seems every which he turns he is being hamstrung.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on February 18, 2021, 08:44:35 AM
If Lynn are given the option to end their season, without punishment and they elect to go down this path.    Will they then be able to furlough all staff or will they have to make everyone redundant ?

Have to feel for SC. It seems every which he turns he is being hamstrung.

Anyone on the payroll before the 30th October can be furloughed, anyone since will not be eligible.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: admin on February 18, 2021, 07:17:38 PM
Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss
BREAKING:

The National League North & South season has been declared null & void.

Following voting from clubs, the season has been ended with no promotions/relegations to or from the divisions.

The National League (Step 1) clubs have voted to continue their season.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 18, 2021, 08:02:26 PM
So now what everyone thought would happen has been confirmed, what happens next?

How many clubs will join Dover and refuse to play any further games and what sanctions if any,  will the League levy against these clubs ?

With us not now having a game on Saturday  it will be interesting to see which other clubs will refuse to play.   If it is non then can we assume it will be just Dover and ourselves ?
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 18, 2021, 08:09:51 PM
So I take it there's only promotion available from NL....theres no hope of that....so what's the point in continuing?
Sanctions if any surely cant out weigh carrying on......can they?
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 18, 2021, 08:13:25 PM
Dilligaf would the Chairman have the stomach to go again if the Club received a one or two League demotion ?
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 18, 2021, 08:21:12 PM
Probably not......but Dover have took that step...will they really demote 2, 3, 4 or more teams if they all refuse to play??
And what's the point anyway if as Cleeve has said....they cannot afford to do so... :dontknow:
Better surely to be able to carry on financially....be it with a demotion....if and it's still an if, if that's what happens.....than to attempt to carry on now and end up going out of existence
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 18, 2021, 08:32:24 PM
I guess we will soon know what other Ckubs ( if any others) wonít continue, come Saturday ( or before).

As a Club does it really matter what League we are in come August, as long as we have a club
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on February 18, 2021, 08:40:14 PM
I guess we will soon know what other Ckubs ( if any others) wonít continue, come Saturday ( or before).

As a Club does it really matter what League we are in come August, as long as we have a club

Exactly, would rather have the club demoted back down to tier 4 than have no club at all.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Nemesis on February 18, 2021, 10:06:39 PM
So do we hope that when Johnson announces his road-map on Monday it includes allowing fans back in?
It has already been said there is no evidence of virus transfer in the crowds on beaches.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 18, 2021, 10:32:15 PM
So do we hope that when Johnson announces his road-map on Monday it includes allowing fans back in?
It has already been said there is no evidence of virus transfer in the crowds on beaches.

Could that be down to the bracing sea breeze?

Maybe he should have kept The George.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 19, 2021, 06:19:27 AM
I guess we will soon know what other Ckubs ( if any others) wonít continue, come Saturday ( or before).

As a Club does it really matter what League we are in come August, as long as we have a club

Exactly, would rather have the club demoted back down to tier 4 than have no club at all.

Don't let SC hear you say that. It's the promised land or bust.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 19, 2021, 08:27:44 AM
With Tier 2 downwards now all done and dusted for the season what happens with Clubs below step one who are still left  in the FA Trophy ?   

Oxford, Hereford, Hornchurch and Darlo are all below step 1 and are in the Quarter Finals.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 19, 2021, 08:44:35 AM
To be honest....if they voted not to continue they should be withdrawn.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Nemesis on February 19, 2021, 09:17:34 AM
With Tier 2 downwards now all done and dusted for the season what happens with Clubs below step one who are still left  in the FA Trophy ?   

Oxford, Hereford, Hornchurch and Darlo are all below step 1 and are in the Quarter Finals.
I guess they will be like Hornchurch and just continue.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: newlinnet2019 on February 19, 2021, 09:35:27 AM
To be honest....if they voted not to continue they should be withdrawn.

I doubt that those 4 clubs would have voted not to continue especially when there is prize money to be had, win or lose!   Winners £7500 - Losers £2000.
Don't think the Isthmian league, where Hornchurch play, had a chance to vote anyway.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 19, 2021, 10:11:34 AM
Dorking don't seem very happy taking matter to FA. Obviously don't believe in democracy.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 19, 2021, 10:39:31 AM
To be honest....if they voted not to continue they should be withdrawn.

I doubt that those 4 clubs would have voted not to continue especially when there is prize money to be had, win or lose!   Winners £7500 - Losers £2000.
Don't think the Isthmian league, where Hornchurch play, had a chance to vote anyway.



Yeah I agree....but I thought a few weeks ago it was mentioned that Darlington had not wanted to play league games but were quite happy to turn out for the FA Trophy.
Get the feeling even though the votes have been announced....this is not the end of it
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Paul47 on February 19, 2021, 10:43:13 AM
Gloucester taking legal advice around no promotion/relegation between step 1 and 2.

This could take a while!
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 19, 2021, 10:57:53 AM
So what now for the Linnets?

From what I can understand of the rules, if the season ends in the near future the club will not be able to furlough Denton, Kiwomya, Callan-McFadden, Gyasi and the new secretary as they were not employed before 30th October.

Furlough all the players, including IC, except those signed since season started (4?). Return Mair unless Norwich are prepared to pick up 100% of his wages. How many other staff are there on the payroll? 2/3/4?    :dontknow:

Backie (if willing) to run the team using whatever players he has available and willing to take up the challenge? If not Backie, maybe Joe Simpson (guess we have limited options here and can't think of anyone else).

No disrespect to either of the two mentioned, but imho it don't matter too much about tactical/ managerial ability at this level or for the rest of this season...................just someone to be in charge and capable of fielding eleven players.

There will still be considerable costs for the Chairman to fund until the end of the season, but I would guess this would give him a fighting chance, and who could blame him for taking such action? I certainly wouldn't.

 :scarf:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 19, 2021, 11:08:55 AM
Gloucester taking legal advice around no promotion/relegation between step 1 and 2.

This could take a while!

Yep, it will drag on.

Seems a complete waste of time as far as I can see.

If the season had been stopped and PPG was used to determine league position, then maybe a bit of an argument.

As 2 is null and void, how can you still have promotion and relegation?

Nonsense.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Non League on February 19, 2021, 11:14:29 AM
Not sure what is IC contract, as it's full time, but you can part time furlough staff. Since there's essentially going to be games basically Sat/Wed for rest of season near enough, I'd part time furlough him so he's managing just the Saturday/Midweek games, no training.

Furlough the whole squad that you can, leaves what McFadden, Kiwoyma, Denton and Gyasi available? Fill rest of the team up of the Youth Development, and bring in players (if they're available at no fee, and happy to play for free with just travel expenses covered for midweek/weekend) to make up rest of squad.

There's going to be no relegation as Step 2 is null & void, so don't **** around with clubs future by still paying everyone and trying to finish 20th. Because way season has gone, probably would be bottom 3 even after keeping everyone. So long term protect the club, do that. Worse case, the club is relegated but in a financial better position than if they plough ahead racking up bigger debts just to then only still get relegated or stay up. And approach next season with bigger debts, smaller budget, and get battered as a result before going down.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 19, 2021, 11:19:46 AM


...........................bring in players (if they're available at no fee, and happy to play for free with just travel expenses covered for midweek/weekend) to make up rest of squad.



First person to call.....................Alex Street.

Still a Linnet at heart!

 :scarf:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 19, 2021, 11:32:54 AM
None of that is going to work....you can't have teams suddenly fielding understrength sides.... all the integrity of the league just disappears.

The solution is fairly obvious and SC has already suggested it....will probably take the NL an age to figure it out. You let the 7 clubs that voted to null and void stop for the season. You organise a mini league or knockout competition between the other 13. Top two or finalists go up to league 2.

Similarly, there is a vacant spot in the NL due to Macclesfield's demise. Let those that want to play on in step 2 have a knockout competition.......winner gets promoted to NL.
Something there for everyone...job done.......move on.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on February 19, 2021, 11:35:54 AM
Gloucester taking legal advice around no promotion/relegation between step 1 and 2.

This could take a while!

Yep, it will drag on.

Seems a complete waste of time as far as I can see.

If the season had been stopped and PPG was used to determine league position, then maybe a bit of an argument.

As 2 is null and void, how can you still have promotion and relegation?

Nonsense.

Thereíll be plenty of clubs in the N/S thatíll argue that the league need to fill the 24th spot at the very least, and conveniently that it should be them.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 19, 2021, 11:54:22 AM
Gloucester taking legal advice around no promotion/relegation between step 1 and 2.

This could take a while!

Yep, it will drag on.

Seems a complete waste of time as far as I can see.

If the season had been stopped and PPG was used to determine league position, then maybe a bit of an argument.

As 2 is null and void, how can you still have promotion and relegation?

Nonsense.

Thereíll be plenty of clubs in the N/S thatíll argue that the league need to fill the 24th spot at the very least, and conveniently that it should be them.

Yep, I'd forgotten that we are one team light at the moment.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 19, 2021, 11:56:06 AM
None of that is going to work....you can't have teams suddenly fielding understrength sides.... all the integrity of the league just disappears.



Integrity?

This is football we are talking about!   :laughcry:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 19, 2021, 12:06:25 PM
KES suggestion is one of previously banged the drum on.  However I would guess that there would all kinds of legal reasons why that cannot happen.  Mainly due to there being no provision for it in the Leagueís constitution.

If SC can find the money to limp through to the end of the season then maybe that is the only way forward to maintain a NL place ( if that is what he truly wants).   

Should be a massive cost cutting exercise.  Cut the 21 man squad down to 16.  Get rid of the high earners or those who wonít be back next season.  Ask the players to take a pay cut, for everybodyís benefit.  Maybe those tha wonít should be the ones shown the door.

No overnight stays, travel there and back in the day.  Travel by cars rather than team coach.  That lot should save the Chairman in excess of a 100k for the remainder of the season.

Said it before, sell some equity in the Club to help us get through to the season end.   Surely itís better for SC to own 50% of something than 100% of nothing.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Paul47 on February 19, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
Dover now charged with the league for not fulfilling fixtures.

http://www.doverathletic.com/news/national-league-charges-dover-twice/
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on February 19, 2021, 12:25:25 PM
A good interview with someone from the National League Board on the Non-League podcast today.

https://audioboom.com/posts/7804219-19th-february-2021-part-b-mark-ives-of-the-national-league-marc-white-of-dorking-wanderers
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 19, 2021, 12:40:10 PM
KES suggestion is one of previously banged the drum on.  However I would guess that there would all kinds of legal reasons why that cannot happen.  Mainly due to there being no provision for it in the Leagueís constitution.

If SC can find the money to limp through to the end of the season then maybe that is the only way forward to maintain a NL place ( if that is what he truly wants).   

Should be a massive cost cutting exercise.  Cut the 21 man squad down to 16.  Get rid of the high earners or those who wonít be back next season.  Ask the players to take a pay cut, for everybodyís benefit.  Maybe those tha wonít should be the ones shown the door.

No overnight stays, travel there and back in the day.  Travel by cars rather than team coach.  That lot should save the Chairman in excess of a 100k for the remainder of the season.

Said it before, sell some equity in the Club to help us get through to the season end.   Surely itís better for SC to own 50% of something than 100% of nothing.




Yes Mall agree there may be constitutional issues.....an extraordinary motion required for an exceptional event !


So finally life provides a chance for the Trust and SC to come together. Can we find 24 Forum users to play for the Linnets for the rest of the season for free !
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on February 19, 2021, 01:18:19 PM
KES suggestion is one of previously banged the drum on.  However I would guess that there would all kinds of legal reasons why that cannot happen.  Mainly due to there being no provision for it in the Leagueís constitution.

If SC can find the money to limp through to the end of the season then maybe that is the only way forward to maintain a NL place ( if that is what he truly wants).   

Should be a massive cost cutting exercise.  Cut the 21 man squad down to 16.  Get rid of the high earners or those who wonít be back next season.  Ask the players to take a pay cut, for everybodyís benefit.  Maybe those tha wonít should be the ones shown the door.

No overnight stays, travel there and back in the day.  Travel by cars rather than team coach.  That lot should save the Chairman in excess of a 100k for the remainder of the season.

Said it before, sell some equity in the Club to help us get through to the season end.   Surely itís better for SC to own 50% of something than 100% of nothing.




Yes Mall agree there may be constitutional issues.....an extraordinary motion required for an exceptional event !


So finally life provides a chance for the Trust and SC to come together. Can we find 24 Forum users to play for the Linnets for the rest of the season for free !

They could even try a Ďpay-to-playí scheme if relegation is waved off as expected. Be gimmicky, but could get some cash in.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 19, 2021, 01:18:41 PM
Can we find 24 Forum users to play for the Linnets for the rest of the season for free !

I think the amount they would want in insurance premiums would be a problem!   :laughcry:

I don't think Mallard would be prepared to drop down to NL level.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Non League on February 19, 2021, 01:48:08 PM
None of that is going to work....you can't have teams suddenly fielding understrength sides.... all the integrity of the league just disappears.

The solution is fairly obvious and SC has already suggested it....will probably take the NL an age to figure it out. You let the 7 clubs that voted to null and void stop for the season. You organise a mini league or knockout competition between the other 13. Top two or finalists go up to league 2.

Similarly, there is a vacant spot in the NL due to Macclesfield's demise. Let those that want to play on in step 2 have a knockout competition.......winner gets promoted to NL.
Something there for everyone...job done.......move on.

That just won't happen, as it would mean results going from the games against the 7 which the top sides that have something to lose from that won't accept, and league starting fresh with 13 teams, again something the teams with an advantage don't want. Then you have the fact it won't be in league rules and you can't just suddenly change the competition format.

The three options are, 1) stop playing all together. That could have big consequences because league could fine for not playing each game and eventually kick from the league. 2) One I mentioned about still playing but with basically largely youth/non furloughed/free players. 3), Continue as normal, racking up the debts or taking the loan on.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: admin on February 19, 2021, 02:47:41 PM
Fro club website:
"The club has the following update for itís supporters following last eveningís announcement from the National League that the season is to continue after a majority of clubs voted against a proposal to end the season in light of the ongoing consequences caused by the Coronavirus Pandemic.

We are able to confirm that next weekís home National League  fixtures with Barnet and Weymouth will take place as scheduled but are unable to confirm that we will play any further fixtures after February 27th at this current time.

As a club we do not wish to comment further at this time as the situation is one that continues to change and develop on a regular basis. At present our chairman is working very hard behind the scenes as he seeks clarity on the various scenarios in these unprecedented times.

We will issue further updates on this situation when there is some firm news to report."
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Nemesis on February 19, 2021, 03:41:22 PM
I wonder what would happen of the league decided to punish clubs not fulfilling matches with a point deduction for each game not fulfilled - the deduction applied at the start of next season?
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 19, 2021, 04:10:31 PM
The Chairman must have sumink up his sleeve if he is still
Prepared to shell out full monies for the next two games.    If there was no hope surely the  plug would be pulled straight away. No point in throwing good money after bad.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on February 19, 2021, 04:18:20 PM
The Chairman must have sumink up his sleeve if he is still
Prepared to shell out full monies for the next two games.    If there was no hope surely the  plug would be pulled straight away. No point in throwing good money after bad.

Or he might be waiting to see what happens to Dover first.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: newlinnet2019 on February 19, 2021, 06:20:37 PM
The Chairman must have sumink up his sleeve if he is still
Prepared to shell out full monies for the next two games.    If there was no hope surely the  plug would be pulled straight away. No point in throwing good money after bad.

Or he might be waiting to see what happens to Dover first.


After listening to the Non League podcast....According to Mark Ives, the National league manager, teams who refuse to play will have to give a JUST reason why they have refused to play. This will then go before an INDEPENDENT committee to decide what outcome will ensue.
Who will form that committee is anyone's guess, but I suppose they will have to have no links to the league or clubs involved.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Nikki on February 20, 2021, 01:16:38 PM
Fro club website:

As a club we do not wish to comment further at this time as the situation is one that continues to change and develop on a regular basis. At present our chairman is working very hard behind the scenes as he seeks clarity on the various scenarios in these unprecedented times.

Tell us what's changing and developing on a regular basis then.
What exactly is he trying to clarify?We have already been told what's happening?
I do wonder if they've ever got the hang of this media game,other than using it as a platform for self promotion and handouts..
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Nemesis on February 20, 2021, 04:50:34 PM
Didn't the Chairman say that the club were applying for a grant?
Also there is the threat of of possible legal action against the league by other clubs and the unknown outcome
and the idea proposed by some Step 2 clubs of creating league or leagues to see out this season with promotion and relegation at the end of it.
https://www.ebfc.co.uk/news/open-letter-to-mark-ives-2599760.html
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 20, 2021, 05:06:27 PM
Notice letter is only signed by fylde.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Mallard on February 20, 2021, 05:08:31 PM
Sounds something Donald Trump would have put his name to.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Dilligaf on February 22, 2021, 10:32:23 AM
I suppose a radical way of sitting out or continuing with no punishments in NL NLN and NLS would be:
Allow the teams in all 3 divisions that wish to play on for the chance of promotion to do so.
Allow the teams in all 3 divisions that want to sit out to do so....no punishment.
Champions and promotions as normal.
Relegations in each division those that chose to sit it out go in a hat and draw lots.

Bit radical, but ensures at worst a relegation if you're unlucky, no financial penalty for missing games and if you want to carry on the option is there.... :dontknow:
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: gs50 on February 22, 2021, 10:45:52 AM
A democratic vote was taken on the resolutions it's the classic response keep changing things until you get what you want. The bottom line is you can't expect teams to take out loans when there is no income to repay them.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 22, 2021, 11:08:09 AM
Some club's may  have large loans already.  With no leeway  for taking a further loan on.
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 22, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/sport/its-about-ensuring-the-club-is-there-for-future-seasons-linnets-chairman-9157702/


Be nice to know what he means by "shutting the Club".
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: Realist on February 22, 2021, 06:10:48 PM
It is the playing two games that is the problem...waiting to see the fate of Dover whilst trying to boost ones PPG. Not going to work , the NL will delay the Dover situation knowing full well that if they are rightly lenient, other clubs will throw the towel. As for PPG, the afore mentioned Dover scenario will see the other clubs fulfil the fixture requirements and PPG will not be required or any use at all. SC get on with playing out the season, reasonable loans available , after public funded grants had to be stopped to ensure other vulnerable sectors of society get help. Why keep moaning about this single point? the grants are gone , lets see your plan B , which should not be playing two more games with no actual reasoning as to why!!
Title: Re: NL hoping to continue?
Post by: KES80 on February 22, 2021, 08:54:35 PM
He can't be interested in improving PPG at this stage......... it's only relevant if 75% of games have been played.........I think he's just trying to keep going for another week to see how negotiations with Sport England and with NL pan out and hoping for more options/safeguards.
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