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Title: Bromley away
Post by: Mallard on February 09, 2021, 08:36:57 AM
3 much needed points up for grabs tonight.   If all 3 Leagues are to continue then we need to start picking up points.

What line up will Dilly go with tonight.?

Think we can take a point here, if we are up for it.

Hopefully SC will do a podcast to inform the supporters where the League is at and more importantly where the Club is at going forward.  As in maybe a Plan A, Plan B etc.

Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 09, 2021, 11:13:12 AM
https://www.bromleyfc.tv/site/matchday-live-bromley-vs-kingslynn-vnl/
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: KES80 on February 09, 2021, 01:05:14 PM
I don't understand why Lynn ate still playing, if they can't afford to.

Teams in step below are refusing to play until things are resolved :dontknow:
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Dilligaf on February 09, 2021, 01:15:02 PM
Exactly KES....if things are sooooo bad.....then why are they actually playing?
Cleeves predictions in his podcasts have been way off.....maybe his calculations in how tight things are at the club are too.....as I said...its a game of brinkmanship....and it's all for more money.....nothing to do with health and safety.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: TonyM on February 09, 2021, 02:31:46 PM
I won't get into the merits of continuing other than to say we (the club) were big supporters of both step 1 AND step 2 being classed as elite last year and that is now the factor that could well bring some clubs down (I really can't see the government bailing out clubs under anything but the most extreme circumstances).

As for tonight, much to Dilly's disgust I would like to see us try again with 3 centre halves as I really don't think we have been much better with just the two as it has effectively robbed us of any width in the side over the past few weeks and at some point this season I would like to see us be more than the sum of the parts which I saw plenty of times last year but we haven't looked close to this season.  Assuming Kiwomya is still unavailable I would go with:

                 Mair
   McFadden, Smith, Barrows
Jones, Richards, Jarvis, Denton
                Carey
          Marriott, Gash

subs, Fleming, Kelly, King, Mitchell, Southwell

To be honest, pretty much every player not in the starting eleven can make a case that those ahead of them haven't done enough to justify their place but equally the same could be said for anyone left out.  Really only Jones, McFadden, Richards, Gash, Mair and possibly an improving Smith have consistently shown they have both the ability and attitude to play at this level to this point in the season
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: gs50 on February 09, 2021, 02:33:19 PM
 With weather conditions as they are can't understand why game is being played Dover Barnet and Weymouth all off.Temps due to fall to -5 tonight.Think of the players for a change.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: maidstone baz on February 09, 2021, 02:36:51 PM
The game is being played on a 3g pitch so as long as its not covered in snow then should be ok to play
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Mallard on February 09, 2021, 02:41:10 PM
With The Walks pitch being covered one has to assume the Lynn season is going to continue. 

Does this mean the Chairman is going to continue to foot the bill or the players are playing unpaid ?
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: dillydilly on February 09, 2021, 06:22:31 PM
Good evening all.  I haven’t the time to read Captain Sensible’s opinion at the mo - will do later.  So my closest opinionateratum so far on this thread is gs50, and I believe KES and Mallard.  I don’t think we should be playing. However - as we seem to be, at the risk of upsetting Tony B, I can’t go with the 3 CH “self-harm” system of spending virtually all the game in our own half, and hoping the opponents miss a bagful of sitters.  It might be more arguable if our GK started to command the box.  For what it’s worth, and I would suggest a tidy sum if you would be so kind, here is the Dilly team for tonight......

Mair;  Jones, McFadden, Smith, Denton; Barrows, Kelly, King, Kiwomya/Gyasi, Marriott, Southwell.  Subs Gash, Gyasi/Kiwomya, Carey, Brown, McCauley/Fleming.
No idea about the injury situation, but think subs should be used at h-t if we’re struggling.  Be nice to be as “footbally” as Hornchurch were - big learn available there !
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: dillydilly on February 09, 2021, 07:09:06 PM
Just want to add that Kiwomya would be the first name on the Dilly team-sheet, if I knew he was fit and available.  COYL......
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: dillydilly on February 09, 2021, 07:21:57 PM
Bad night for the Dilly brain......  Forgot Richards !  Him in, instead of McCauley, and Barrows moves back.  Haven’t taken my pills yet !
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: KES80 on February 09, 2021, 10:07:55 PM
Dear oh dear, what an awful situation the club finds itself in. The writing's on the wall for Lynn I fear.............they have a Chairman who doesn't want to play, a manager who thinks it's farcical that things are continuing, (and I sympathize with the sentiments)a manager who doesn't seem to know his strongest side half way into the season and a squad of players who on recent evidence are not good enough to stay in the league. At the same time the likes of Weymouth, Dagenham etc are sending out the opposite vibe of wanting to continue and being positive, which is mirrored by on field performances. This time around keeping the core of players from the previous season hasn't worked and there are too many who seem unable to perform at the desired level.
If the season were voided now, only Jones, Callan-McFadden, Smith (maybe), Richards, Kiwomya, King , Gash (maybe), Marriott(maybe), Southwell (maybe), Barrows (maybe), Denton (maybe) would be worthy of being retained for next season. So if you were to take 3 of the maybes, thats 8 only.

If the season continues with relegation from the NL, Lynn need to change things quickly.... Weymouth have managed to do it by changing their ethos and quickly getting 2 quality centre halves and two good forwards. Lynn probably don't have the money for additions and at this stage it must be difficult to offload a few that would otherwise go to a level below. Seems to me that Lynn are in a bit if a pickle and a negative tail spin and some will be praying the NLN null and voids
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Mallard on February 10, 2021, 07:33:11 AM
On what Clubs have said they are going to do the North is looking like this

Null and Void racing into an 11-4 lead in the National League North.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: KES80 on February 10, 2021, 08:13:11 AM
Will it be possible for the NLN to null and void separately, while the NLS continues or is the majority vote across both leagues ? This season really has been a shocker in terms of poor leadership from the NL Board and the number of postponements.............really tough for a team to get consistency and momentum. Voting seems to be looking like NLN void, NLS continue , NL continue. The whole voting procedure is a complete mess, is taking ages,when teams don't have time on their side. Clubs are being coerced into playing with the threat of sanctions if they stop. It's just so poor from the NL Board in so many ways this season. Messrs Cleeve and Culverhouse and all the other Chairman and managers have my sympathies......... surely there must be a way to oust the Board given their serial incompetence and questionable ethos. I feel confident a neutral body taking over would just scrap the season....there are no runaway leaders, the seasons only half way through and unlikely to finish without clubs playing 3 games a week.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: macfleetwood1 on February 10, 2021, 08:33:00 AM
Lets forget the politics, and talk about last nights game, well they are still getting paid ,  in a word, AWFUL!
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Mallard on February 10, 2021, 08:39:49 AM
That was part of the voting KES.  Item one was should each League be permitted to decide its own outcome.   The voting on that is Yes.   So if the North stop and the South continues will we see two teams promoted from the NLS with one team relegated to the South from the National League?   I would assume yes.

If we don’t get relegated then this will be a massive wake up call for SC and indeed IC.  As in squad is not good enough and have we the money to fund a Competitive NL squad ?

I saw the EFL have now scrapped the wage capping arrangement.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: gs50 on February 10, 2021, 09:21:41 AM
surely north and south are one and combined vote determines outcome.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 10, 2021, 09:27:41 AM
Before people criticise the NL board, they need to walk a mile in their shoes.


Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Mallard on February 10, 2021, 09:37:43 AM
surely north and south are one and combined vote determines outcome.

That Resolution 2 about whether to end the 2020/21 Playing Season of The National League (Step 1) be taken only by Clubs in the National League and that Resolution 3 about whether to end the 2020/21 Playing Season of the National League North and the National League South (Step 2) be taken only by Clubs that play in the National League North or the National League South


Where did you read your theory GS ?
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: gs50 on February 10, 2021, 09:47:58 AM
just my Theory which i must admit makes more sense. How can you have promotion from one feeder league and not the other.On another point where do you get information on vote update.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: KES80 on February 10, 2021, 10:00:23 AM
Go to Ollie Bayliss twitter Gs
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: KES80 on February 10, 2021, 10:18:56 AM
.......where you will find a post from Dulwich Hamlet fc that sums it up !!
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: KES80 on February 10, 2021, 10:26:41 AM
Sounds like Dover Chairman will give it another 2/3 days, then furloughs, close down for season and consider sharing ownership with any interested parties going forward.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: admin on February 10, 2021, 10:29:29 AM
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Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 10, 2021, 10:55:27 AM
Sounds like Dover Chairman will give it another 2/3 days, then furloughs, close down for season and consider sharing ownership with any interested parties going forward.

From Dover's website:

CHAIRMAN’S MESSAGE FOR SUPPORTERS

9th February 2021 By Richard Harvey

Everybody will be aware that Dover Athletic, along with many clubs, agreed to start this season back in October 2020 only if grant funding was made available.

It was agreed that this would be provided by the government for the first three months until December, with the clear understanding that if crowds did not return the funding would continue until such time as the situation returned to near normal.

As has been well publicised, that has turned out not to be the case. Sport England are now being given responsibility for offering funding to clubs, mainly in the form of loans, with grants available only in very exceptional circumstances.

I have always made it clear that I would not commit the club to a substantial loan that would impact the club for years to come, it would be irresponsible to burden a small club like Dover in this way and certainly does not make business sense to do so.

We have applied for a grant from Sport England, but I am not confident that it will be forthcoming and certainly not soon.

I continue to maintain that what is being offered by Sport England does not comply with the league’s own rules regarding clubs taking loans.

The league has for twenty years mandated clubs to live within their means and punished clubs if they did not, as a result, statutory tax debt was reduced to virtually nothing and insolvency events have become extremely rare, which has brought great credit to the league.

I am really concerned that the current direction of travel will force clubs to take financial risks they would not otherwise take, and I am determined that Dover Athletic will not be one of those clubs.

We play football for our fans and our community and in their absence, I can see no logic in burdening the club with hundreds of thousands of pounds of debt to complete a meaningless season.

Funding ended six weeks ago now and without any form of significant income stream I have had to continue to fund the club – this cannot continue and if action is not taken the club will become insolvent.

I have (as promised) run the club without debt for 15 years and I do not intend to change that now.

I firmly believe that the survival and future wellbeing of the club, its staff, supporters, and the wider community must come first. Taking the right action now will ensure that we can survive and start again next season (assuming our normal revenue streams are available by then).

Therefore, unless the situation changes in the next couple of days, I will have no option but to furlough all staff, cut all possible expenditure and cease football operations.

The current situation has taught me one thing; with the costs of surviving in the National league rising exponentially and our income is not, the club needs more backing than I can offer alone. It is my intention to open the door to interested parties who wish to invest in Dover Athletic either partially or in its entirety.

I continue to do everything I can to help the club navigate this greatly challenging time and hope that together we can get through this and come back stronger.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 10, 2021, 11:00:18 AM
.......where you will find a post from Dulwich Hamlet fc that sums it up !!

DULWICH HAMLET FOOTBALL CLUB AND DULWICH HAMLET SUPPORTERS’ TRUST STATEMENT TO FANS, SUPPORTERS AND STAKEHOLDERS FEBRUARY 5, 2021


The club is unable to fulfil its fixtures due to the League’s inability to resolve the reason for the suspension.
The National League suspended the season for Step 2 on January 22 because it acknowledged in the General Manager’s letter to clubs that of the loan options available on that day ‘neither is seen as a viable and sustainable’ way to complete the season. Sadly, two weeks later the League’s attempts to secure grants instead of loans have been unsuccessful. The situation is therefore the same today as it was on January 22 and yet clubs are now being told by the League to resume under threat of expulsion or deduction of points under rule 8.39 for ‘any Club without just cause failing to fulfil an engagement to play a Competition match’. The situation clubs were in two weeks ago was considered by the League as ‘just cause’ to suspend all fixtures. Nothing has changed since that date.

Football authorities have been criticised in the past for not taking a strong enough stand to prevent owners from engaging in financial mismanagement leading to the loss of long-standing community clubs. A League competition threatening clubs with the direct aim of coercing owners to place those clubs at risk is an inexcusable contradiction in their rules and responsibilities and we ask the League to take the only correct course of action and extend the suspension until the situation has changed.

After consultation with our season ticket holders, supporters’ trust members and club officials through surveys and meetings the clear direction our board has been given is to cease activities to protect the club until such time as we can begin to incur costs again safe in the knowledge that we can afford to pay for them.

If the League does not fulfil its responsibilities then Dulwich Hamlet FC are not in a position to fulfil its fixtures until the League are no longer placing the short or long term future of a 128 year old community club at risk.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: KES80 on February 10, 2021, 11:26:09 AM
Just to highlight the incongruity of it all, the Hollywood stars have today invested £2 million in Wrexham...........this madness has to stop....please.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: gs50 on February 10, 2021, 11:35:26 AM
Wonder if players have asked for pay rise yet.
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: KES80 on February 10, 2021, 02:16:01 PM

So Step2  currently is a majority vote over both North and South......so either both null and void or both play on. Current votes are 19 null and void, 15 play on........first to 23 votes.

See diagram below
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: KES80 on February 10, 2021, 02:19:45 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlfretonTownFC/status/1356584871536304128/photo/1


I can't find this anywhere else so have copied from Alfreton fc twitter page
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Dilligaf on February 10, 2021, 03:31:43 PM
So a genuine question....at this precise moment with things as bad as they are:
1. Cleeve cannot refuse to play matches?....or
2. Is choosing not to refuse to play matches??

Or is he waiting for someone else in the NL to make the first move??
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Mallard on February 10, 2021, 04:55:25 PM
Maybe he is hoping to wake up one morning to find the Tooth Fairy has been extra kind or that magic money tree has started to bare fruit ( £).

Get the feeling we will be reactive rather than proactive.

Waiting to hear what the plan is from SC.  He is never slow engaging with the fans when he wants their cash
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: gs50 on February 10, 2021, 05:47:16 PM
needs to be a group of teams to get together as league wouldn't take action against a number of teams
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: somerset linnet on February 10, 2021, 05:49:41 PM
Looking at a previous post it looks as though Dover have already made the first move.  :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: Dilligaf on February 10, 2021, 06:21:01 PM
Not quite yet.....the first move if it comes from Dover FC will be as the statement reads....in the next few days.....so I take it they will make another announcement when or if nothing changes..... :dontknow:
Title: Re: Bromley away
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 10, 2021, 08:07:59 PM
So a genuine question....at this precise moment with things as bad as they are:
1. Cleeve cannot refuse to play matches?....or
2. Is choosing not to refuse to play matches??

Or is he waiting for someone else in the NL to make the first move??

3. Hanging on in there, as he personally has too much too lose ???
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