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Title: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 24, 2021, 05:58:13 PM
Next Saturday see's The Linnets complete the last of the two games that were mentioned.

Presumably it will be decision time for the Club, so what do supporters think will happen after the weekend?

Personally, I think the Chairman will find a way to continue and play out the rest of the season, irrespective of how much is raised by the new SOS fund raising attempt, or other Clubs following the stance Dover have taken?

 :dontknow:
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: gs50 on February 24, 2021, 07:33:30 PM
Needs to be someone out there who is prepared to back the club don't believe there will be sufficient raised in pledges.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on February 24, 2021, 07:50:22 PM
I think the Chairman should tell them to stick it where the sun donít shine, and hang the consequences.

However I think the Chairman will continue with the season.  The signs are all there.  Where will the money come from ?   The 400k question.    I donít think the clubs balance sheet will look very healthy when FY 2021 is published.   Then again it doesnít look very healthy as it is.

Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 27, 2021, 08:32:26 AM
So Mr Cleeve put in another 140k of his own funds last season.  Absolute madness.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on February 27, 2021, 08:36:39 AM
Itís his money.   Surely he can do as he wishes with it.  Though how many years he can continue to do it is anyoneís guess.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Nemesis on February 27, 2021, 08:46:01 AM
Just enjoy the ride.
It's the Rushden & Diamonds saga all over again but I'm not sure Mr Cleeve has Max Griggs' wealth.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on February 27, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
Letís hope not.  Nene Park is now a housing estate, isnít it ?

What a journey The Diamonds went on though.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: gs50 on February 27, 2021, 09:12:34 AM
Having read the Chairmans article in the edp today don't  think any supporter would argue against stopping playing after today's game and face the consequences. A gun is being held at our heads absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on February 27, 2021, 09:17:34 AM
Certainly not.  Just surprised SC agreed to even play the two games.  Dover Chairman led the way.  Shame the other 6 clubs didnít back it.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Dilligaf on February 27, 2021, 09:17:43 AM
My guess is.....we'll be playing on after today. We shall see
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: daleh on February 27, 2021, 09:26:54 AM
In common with everybody else who writes on the forum, I do not know what state the finances are in. I assume that money coming in is very limited whilst some costs remain and therefore the chairman has had to continue to financially support the club. This can not go on for ever. What is important to me as a continuing supporter from the 60's is that the club must survive.

If this means finishing the season today and incurring some sort of penalty from that shambles at the National League then so be it, but survival is the main thing. If we have to drop a division or two, that will be disappointing but we will rise again as we always do.

Clearly more important things are happening in the world outside of football, but this club is very special to a lot of people including me.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 27, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
In common with everybody else who writes on the forum, I do not know what state the finances are in. I assume that money coming in is very limited whilst some costs remain and therefore the chairman has had to continue to financially support the club. This can not go on for ever. What is important to me as a continuing supporter from the 60's is that the club must survive.

If this means finishing the season today and incurring some sort of penalty from that shambles at the National League then so be it, but survival is the main thing. If we have to drop a division or two, that will be disappointing but we will rise again as we always do.

Clearly more important things are happening in the world outside of football, but this club is very special to a lot of people including me.

Fully agree. They shouldn't be forced to play on!
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on February 27, 2021, 10:32:54 AM
SC applied for and has been accepted for a 330k loan.  He is waiting for confirmation from League now that he can accept the loan.    Does this mean he is actually going to take it.?

What do people think.  Should he take the 330k to be repaid at 2% over 20 years ?
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 27, 2021, 10:43:44 AM
SC applied for and has been accepted for a 330k loan.  He is waiting for confirmation from League now that he can accept the loan.    Does this mean he is actually going to take it.?

What do people think.  Should he take the 330k to be repaid at 2% over 20 years ?

Apparently Sports England wanted him to take 500k!
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: KES80 on February 27, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
Think the Chairmen of the clubs struggling financially in the NL need to get to together as a group, fast and make a stand....I see Halifax are going down the route of taking a loan, grudgingly....this is madness. Have they individually or  as a group taken legal advice....they surely musthave done....it would have been my first move. It can't be legal for the NL to force indebtedness on clubs or to demote them, when it is their error in the first place .I would have thought if6 clubs got together, had a legal letter drawn up handed it in to the FA for their perusal and then refused to play on as a group, they would be in a much better position than taking loans. The NL seem to be attempting divide and conquer....those being pressured need to get together and be robust .. and now !
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: KES80 on February 27, 2021, 01:39:24 PM
IMO ...if you.take the loan that's it........club will ultimately fold within 12 months....just doesn't have the income streams to cope with that level of debt
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on February 27, 2021, 07:52:06 PM
https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/kings-lynn-town-v-weymouth-7795062


Looks like there is a way to continue.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Nemesis on February 27, 2021, 09:50:25 PM
If a club furloughs some players does that break the rule about fielding the strongest team?
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: gs50 on February 27, 2021, 10:32:18 PM
every game 5 players don't get in squad.5 under 21 players as subs That's not putting out weak side.If it's only way to continue then and it's not acceptable just stop playing.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 27, 2021, 10:37:35 PM
If a club furloughs some players does that break the rule about fielding the strongest team?

I believe that was one of the questions the Dover Chairman raised when he resigned from NL Board.

They've not been very flexible regarding other rules recently, so who knows.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 27, 2021, 10:39:21 PM
every game 5 players don't get in squad.5 under 21 players as subs That's not putting out weak side.If it's only way to continue then and it's not acceptable just stop playing.

Good point.  :scarf:
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Nemesis on February 27, 2021, 10:53:59 PM
So who would you furlough?
Aaron Jones an obvious choice and maybe Rory McAuley if he is out for 3-4 weeks.

Players who cannot be furloughed Tyler Denton, Alex Kiwomya, Michael Gyasi, Kyle Callan-McFadden.
Can the new secretary kick a ball?

Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 27, 2021, 11:44:20 PM
So who would you furlough?
Aaron Jones an obvious choice and maybe Rory McAuley if he is out for 3-4 weeks.

Players who cannot be furloughed Tyler Denton, Alex Kiwomya, Michael Gyasi, Kyle Callan-McFadden.
Can the new secretary kick a ball?

I thought Cleeve Said there were 6 that can't be furloughed.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: KES80 on February 28, 2021, 09:01:33 AM
Got to be preferable to the loan. Wealdstone have already started to go down that route. You are still trying to play the strongest side you can with less resource, so that should be ok I would have thought...not like you are deliberately throwing a game.
Furlough asmany as poss, sig. wage cut for rest, use the ressies to make up nos and have a squad.of 15/16 for rest of season.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Nemesis on February 28, 2021, 09:13:42 AM
So who would you furlough?
Aaron Jones an obvious choice and maybe Rory McAuley if he is out for 3-4 weeks.

Players who cannot be furloughed Tyler Denton, Alex Kiwomya, Michael Gyasi, Kyle Callan-McFadden.
Can the new secretary kick a ball?

I thought Cleeve Said there were 6 that can't be furloughed.   :dontknow:
Sorry, Joe Taylor is also on contract and signed after the end of October so that would make six employees including the secretary.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 28, 2021, 09:19:58 AM
Got to be preferable to the loan. Wealdstone have already started to go down that route. You are still trying to play the strongest side you can with less resource, so that should be ok I would have thought...not like you are deliberately throwing a game.
Furlough asmany as poss, sig. wage cut for rest, use the ressies to make up nos and have a squad.of 15/16 for rest of season.

Very difficult one for the Chairman, but I'd go down this route as well.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on February 28, 2021, 10:03:24 AM
On what Iím hearing the Chairman wants his cake and eat it.   

Interesting times.

Letís hope Ian Culverhouse is onboard with this idea to carry in.  He said that he wants the season to end.   Would hate to see the Club to lose him for a 2nd time
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: gs50 on February 28, 2021, 11:24:25 AM
So what are you hearing then Mallard.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: KES80 on February 28, 2021, 11:49:05 AM
Personally would think I C would understand...just a case of getting to the end as unscathed as possible. Will give the fringe players who would otherwise be sat at home good game time...some may flourish and put themselves in contention for next season.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 28, 2021, 01:11:06 PM
Personally would think I C would understand...just a case of getting to the end as unscathed as possible. Will give the fringe players who would otherwise be sat at home good game time...some may flourish and put themselves in contention for next season.

Although its ultimately one person's decision as to which way to go,  I would guess he would have to have all his management team and players to be in full agreement with that decision.

I can imagine that matters  could get a bit awkward if not.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on February 28, 2021, 02:51:59 PM
You may guess that B&G.   I somehow think your guess would be wide of the mark.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: KES80 on February 28, 2021, 03:03:03 PM
Just listened to the General Manager of the NL, Mark Ives on 3 counties radio show . No answers there then,apart from wanting to listen to all the clubs and do the best by them to  hopefully have 66 intact at the start of next season. The FA and the NL really do sound like two over sized oil tankers that have somehow taken a wrong turning down the River Covid ........by the time they have slowly performed a nine point turn and got to a point of considering the possibilities, let alone making any decisions, the season will have all but gone.


Well all may be revealed tomorrow for Lynn, with the announcement...we wait to see...
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: gs50 on February 28, 2021, 03:06:45 PM
I somehow think mallard might reveal all by then.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 28, 2021, 04:54:16 PM
You may guess that B&G.   I somehow think your guess would be wide of the mark.

 :dontknow:
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Dilligaf on February 28, 2021, 06:16:52 PM
I might be proved wrong here...maybe tomorrow...but personally I dont think Cleeve has or ever had any intention of stopping.....this is all part of the brinkmanship game with NL board..... :dontknow:.... :countingmoney:
We shall see tomorrow no doubt... :gossip:
 
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on February 28, 2021, 06:57:26 PM
Maybe a day of  surprises ?    Season to continue but will the players be prepared to take such a massive pay cut?   

Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 28, 2021, 07:51:37 PM
Maybe a day of  surprises ?    Season to continue but will the players be prepared to take such a massive pay cut?   

As massive as what?

Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on February 28, 2021, 07:53:50 PM
Half
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 28, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
Half

50%!

Someone will need their negotiating hat on to achieve that, or have a bloody big stick.

Everyone has to do their bit during the Pandemic, but that sounds a bit drastic unless they also have other jobs.

We donít know how much Club needs to cut wage bill by, or what the salaries are but from the outside looking in, Iíd have sympathy for any employee if they were asked to lose any more than 20-25% of their income.

If 50% is what Club needs to survive and players are happy with that then good on them.

If 50% is rejected by players, I could understand their thoughts on the matter.

Tough call.

Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: KES80 on February 28, 2021, 08:49:03 PM
I was already thinking 50% would be about the figure. If SC can furlough those that he can and the rest agree to around 50 %, then presumably the 300-400k to finish the season becomes nearer to 150-200k.,when you include travel and other costs.  8 home matches streamed,40-50k maybe 2homematches with crowds,40-50k maybe, 20k already pledged with hopefully more to come and the shortfall is not massive.

Can see how furloughs may work at 70-80%, provided the scheme continues and can see how 50% might be acceptable for  just 3 months for players who have a main job. Goes without saying that 50% for those who don't have a second job, probably won't work.

I believe everyone has been paid fully up till now.......many people have had only 70-80% over past year, some self employed a lot less even with the grants.........as its only for a short term, it might be do-able for many of the team.
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on February 28, 2021, 09:07:00 PM
50% must be painful when before yesterdayís game many would be thinking worst case scenario furloughed.

Will the Club still be taking a massive loan debt onto his books as well ?
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: KES80 on February 28, 2021, 09:22:55 PM
Yes agreed, painful but no guarantee furlough will be extended beyond April at current %age.
Plus if you love playing........dont play and get 80%till April plus whatever is offered after that or do play and get 50%for next 3months........most love to play, so that will be important.
For this to work tho, my own feeling is that it has to leave the club with little or no extra debt on the books, given the sacrifices people will be making...... otherwise the club should just be moth balled
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 28, 2021, 10:37:08 PM
Yes agreed, painful but no guarantee furlough will be extended beyond April at current %age.
Plus if you love playing........dont play and get 80%till April plus whatever is offered after that or do play and get 50%for next 3months........most love to play, so that will be important.
For this to work tho, my own feeling is that it has to leave the club with little or no extra debt on the books, given the sacrifices people will be making...... otherwise the club should just be moth balled

Have to agree. If its 50% and 500k..........OUCH.

Surely both won't be needed?   :dontknow:

Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on March 01, 2021, 07:12:10 AM
Wonít it ?   
  Needed or wanted ?
Title: Re: Which way will he jump.
Post by: Mallard on March 01, 2021, 05:33:14 PM
Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

20 Feb
The DCMS has revealed that 19 National League clubs (Step 1 & 2) will be offered loans totalling a maximum of £5.4 million.

National League clubs will be notified of their individual decisions early next week.

The Government will fund lateral flow tests for clubs in Step 1.


Average of 280k per club.   Are we in the 19 and if so for how much ?
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