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Title: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 25, 2021, 12:35:27 AM
Why are the trust not helping the club sitting on all those thousands would help see the club survive till next season ,though trust was set up to help the club or you all sit there waiting and hoping it go tits up to get your grubby hands on the club ,be real fans and help the club in these unprecedented times
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 25, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
Hi Loopy

Welcome back. Long time no see.

How you been keeping?

 :scarf:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: TonyM on February 25, 2021, 08:46:43 AM
Loopy, thanks for the question which I am sure the Trust board are considering.  Unfortunately their AGM which should be in February has been delayed due to COVID regs but they have at least circulated their accounts to their membership which is one up on the FotL which haven't communicated to their membership at all this season to my knowledge and their AGM should have been around August last year.

For the Trust to 'give' any money to the club they would have to get authorisation from their membership and my gut feeling is that many would say in the present climate and without a change in the way the club operates it could be seen as throwing good money after bad (again this is just my personal opinion).  Remember the club was heavily in debt prior to COVID and that was playing at a lower (and presumably cheaper) levels than where we are now, so thought needs to be given as to how any future seasons could be funded not just the current one.

One bit of money the club could easily have access to is the GDF - I think I heard on commentary recently that the ground had passed it's grading assessment and there is £3.5K of fan raised cash sitting waiting for the club to communicate what they wanted that to be spent on - remember Loopy communication works both ways.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 25, 2021, 08:54:44 AM
Now would be a good time for trust to step up and help the club through this unprecedented time you may actually unite the fans as well ,as there plenty looking at the trust only wanting the club for themselves and their purposes ,trust is sitting on large sums money that could help this club through the current situation,why not trust approach club to help you may even get some respect from the many fans who think you only have one agenda of taking over the club ,What is the actual purpose of the money as it seems you have very little intention of helping the club unless you get control of it
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 25, 2021, 11:01:25 AM
Now would be a good time for trust to step up and help the club through this unprecedented time you may actually unite the fans as well ,as there plenty looking at the trust only wanting the club for themselves and their purposes ,trust is sitting on large sums money that could help this club through the current situation,why not trust approach club to help you may even get some respect from the many fans who think you only have one agenda of taking over the club ,What is the actual purpose of the money as it seems you have very little intention of helping the club unless you get control of it

Now that's a good post for a change Loopy. Is it all your own work?  :dontknow:

Don't forget Loopy, the Trust is just the legal mechanism required, for the supporters to be able to have s voice, and raise money etc. Why not join the Trust Loops you could find yourself elected Chairman.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Colin Fuller on February 25, 2021, 11:17:55 AM
I am a long-time Trust member, a Lynn supporter since 1961 and occasional contributor to this forum. I tend not to comment on the Ďpoliticsí of the football club because many of the facts are not available to the fans. It is such a pity in what should have been a special season for the club and supporters that it appears to be going so wrong.
However, my gut feeling was that Lynn did not have the infrastructure in place to cope with National League demands even before the current crisis arose. I understand the Trust and Mr Cleeveís relationship has been better in more recent times but over the years not so good.
It appears that Mr Cleeve wants to run the club as a one-man show. Fair enough, but if you take that position surely you have to accept full financial implications, even in exceptional circumstances.
As a Trust member I would be opposed to it handing over a large sum of funds to the club. That is not what the Trust was formed to do. But I would welcome the committee to offer some form of help and I am expect this is already being discussed.  Perhaps the money in the ground improvement fund could be considered as an emergency payment.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 25, 2021, 11:27:08 AM
So whatís the actual point of the money and letís be honest trust has been making off the back of the club for years ,the club is struggling through a pandemic and you have a fans trust supporters and all youíre interested in is gaining some kind of control of the club instead of helping it out ,if there had been no pandemic the club would not be in this position ,how about putting it to the fans about helping the club instead of closing ranks and wishing the club would fold so trust can get their hands on the club ,
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on February 25, 2021, 11:36:29 AM
So whatís the actual point of the money and letís be honest trust has been making off the back of the club for years ,the club is struggling through a pandemic and you have a fans trust supporters and all youíre interested in is gaining some kind of control of the club instead of helping it out ,if there had been no pandemic the club would not be in this position ,how about putting it to the fans about helping the club instead of closing ranks and wishing the club would fold so trust can get their hands on the club ,

The point of the money is the long term stability of a football club playing at the Walks in Kings Lynn. At the minute the trusts funds wouldnít even solve the problem, and would prevent the trust acting in the future. When the club might need rescuing from oblivion, rather than providing life-support to an unsustainable financial structure exacerbated by the current crisis. The best thing for the club long term would be to stop playing like Dover has announced, even if it means demotion.

Picture the scenario: the club find a way to limp to the end of the year, just. Then they have to field a very uncompetitive side in the 21/22 season due to large scale cuts. The club find themselves in NLN again and SC loses interest in the club now that itís going backwards. A situation like that, the trust funds would be useful. Right now, it would be as useful as Cnut shouting at the waves.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 25, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
Always an excuse ,and there you some it right up itís about the trust getting control of the club ,youíre not here to help the club only for the financial gain of the trusts inner circle
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Non League on February 25, 2021, 11:53:04 AM
Surprised the trust just don't form their own club. Seems like that would be what they'd prefer, but actually don't want the hassle of running a club.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 25, 2021, 11:55:22 AM
I find it amazing(or maybe not) that some people seem to think its ok to tell other people what to do with THEIR money.

I wonder how many of these people have actually taken up Cleeves offer and donated their £300 yet? Are they also regular contributors to the Club via FOTL membership, or are maybe Club members (how much was that............£35)? Do they pay for streaming, or is it just the Trust members that bother to do that?

On that point, anyone know how the SOS appeal is going? People involved with this kind of initiative will tell you that the first 48/72 hours is a good yard stick to go by when predicting the final outcome. Expect about 1/3rd of the total amount to be given during this period. So hopefully there's been about 100 people subscribe to it by now. Can someone give us an update please?

Have have any (or all) of the Stewards, Bar staff, Media team, Management team, Sponsors, Players etc donated their £300 yet?

Lots of other people that can be asked the question.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 25, 2021, 12:06:36 PM
Always an excuse ,and there you some it right up itís about the trust getting control of the club ,youíre not here to help the club only for the financial gain of the trusts inner circle

Loopy, can you explain who the Trust's inner circle are, and how they gain financially from it?

Failure to come up with any credible answers, would  lead me to believe that you have only come on here, to divert attention from what's happening at the club. 
An all to familiar pattern  since 2010. Would you not agree Loopy.


Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Paul47 on February 25, 2021, 12:11:10 PM
Still can't understand why people don't buy a stream for home games to watch the team they say they support? Yes I know it's more than anyone else in the league - but if you'd have gone to the game in normal times why wouldn't you buy one (and yes I know some people don't have the ability to access it or are at work). Every pound helps the club at the moment.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 25, 2021, 12:18:25 PM
Marcus the only concern of the trust is to try and get control of the club you done everything you could to mess it up for buster chapman and you all do same to Cleeve ,you should all be outed for what you are ,wanting to gain control of the club not helping it ,parasites for making money off name of the club including grants ,most trust are only in it for the money ,you have and had never intention ever helping this club if it got into trouble only to gain control of it
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 25, 2021, 12:33:03 PM
You  didn't answer the questions Loops.  So I must assume you are spouting hot air as usual.

It's a shame that both owners of this club did not want to embrace  supporter  involvement, aside from handing money over.  As for grants, all providers were aware the Trust had no iofficial nvolvement with the club. Now if previous/present owners had been all for a community club, the grants would have been theirs.

Don't forget to answer the questions. If you know of any financial wrong doings let's hear them.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 25, 2021, 12:44:13 PM
Because all you demand is being on board of club , you crack me up youíll throw money at fc united but sod kings Lynn , you no damn well the only agenda this trust has is to gain control of the club
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Mallard on February 25, 2021, 01:02:24 PM
Would be the perfect storm if you had SC, FOTL, Trust abd a few other wealthy investors all had a share in the Club.

Only one person can make that happen and he seems very loath to lose any % of the Club.  Get the feeling he would let the Club go to the wall rather than let anyone else get involved.

Been a few people like that throughout history.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 25, 2021, 01:20:41 PM
Would be the perfect storm if you had SC, FOTL, Trust abd a few other wealthy investors all had a share in the Club.

Only one person can make that happen and he seems very loath to lose any % of the Club.  Get the feeling he would let the Club go to the wall rather than let anyone else get involved.

Been a few people like that throughout history.

Of the current crop of players, at least two of the them have very wealthy parents, with at least one having previously been involved in supporting a Football Club.

I wonder if they have ever been approached?
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: KES80 on February 25, 2021, 01:23:45 PM
Correct me please if I am wrong, but although I am a huge fan of The Trust and if I am honest, only know a little about the FOTL,  the football club is now in an arena where mega bucks are required and help at this stage is neither in the remit of either organisation, nor do they have funds to make a significant difference if we are talking hundreds of thousands of pounds. The on field activities have outstripped the marketing and commercial activities by a huge amount leaving them way behind. Asking for donations is a real stop gap and knee jerk reaction which is doing nothing to the model going forward. Forging long term commercial partnerships and sponsorships is what is required it seems to me...an issue that many of us have been banging on about for sometime. Without it, or without a wealthy individual coming on Board, the club will struggle to survive at this level, even if it makes it to the end of the season IMO.

I think the step up in terms of playing level and commercial level has been a real shock to everyone at the club and the fans too ie just how big the step up is from step 2 to step 1
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: gs50 on February 25, 2021, 01:47:38 PM
nobody knows whether the club would have survived under normal circumstances .We have been put in this position by the league starting the season when no spectators allowed in and then not stopping season when grants were no longer forthcoming.Stop playing after Saturday and face consequences as individual pledges will nether be enough however would like to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 25, 2021, 01:50:20 PM
Correct me please if I am wrong, but although I am a huge fan of The Trust and if I am honest, only know a little about the FOTL,  the football club is now in an arena where mega bucks are required and help at this stage is neither in the remit of either organisation, nor do they have funds to make a significant difference if we are talking hundreds of thousands of pounds. The on field activities have outstripped the marketing and commercial activities by a huge amount leaving them way behind. Asking for donations is a real stop gap and knee jerk reaction which is doing nothing to the model going forward. Forging long term commercial partnerships and sponsorships is what is required it seems to me...an issue that many of us have been banging on about for sometime. Without it, or without a wealthy individual coming on Board, the club will struggle to survive at this level, even if it makes it to the end of the season IMO.

I think the step up in terms of playing level and commercial level has been a real shock to everyone at the club and the fans too ie just how big the step up is from step 2 to step 1

 :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 25, 2021, 02:37:51 PM
Pandemic has put us in this position nothing else , but then again when you got a supporters trust with supporters money not helping club they should hang their heads with shame , itís common knowledge that those at the helm of the trust only have on interest and thatís gaining control of the club , they are not supporters only leeches
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Non League on February 25, 2021, 03:19:38 PM
If King's Lynn stay at this level for next 5 seasons, what is the trusts plan? Just not support? And wait till it goes bang so they can take control?
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Nemesis on February 25, 2021, 04:20:46 PM
I would guess it is up to the membership to decide.


Title: Re: Trust
Post by: kenny r on February 25, 2021, 04:58:13 PM
Loopy, the grants you mention, are they the ones which were held in a separate account and spent on running Saturday morning and Wednesday evening football sessions on the MUGA in South Lynn for the benefit of the local youngsters?

Plus the swimming sessions during the winter months?

Oh, and not forgetting the 25 South Lynn youngsters we took to Banham Zoo for an enjoyable Saturday afternoon.

Are those the grants you have in mind?
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 25, 2021, 05:34:38 PM
Iím not interested in every excuse youíve got ,you got money there that could help the club out youíve not even offered to ,Itís not the clubs fault we in middle of pandemic itís hitting lot club real hard ,you not thought of offering club interest free loan but with low repayments or you just all waiting for it go tits up in the hope you can get your hands on it and have us playing likes downham swaffham and the likes Wisbech
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Mallard on February 25, 2021, 05:36:17 PM
If King's Lynn stay at this level for next 5 seasons, what is the trusts plan? Just not support? And wait till it goes bang so they can take control?

Think it is more important to understand the owners plan before anyoneís elseís., surely?
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: TonyM on February 25, 2021, 05:42:07 PM
Pandemic has put us in this position nothing else , but then again when you got a supporters trust with supporters money not helping club they should hang their heads with shame , itís common knowledge that those at the helm of the trust only have on interest and thatís gaining control of the club , they are not supporters only leeches

An alternative view is that we have a Supporters Trust, who follow their constitution and the elected board (each board member has to stand for re-election every three years) continues to work within the remit given to them by the membership and spending any money raised by the trust in a manner consistent with the aims and objectives of the Trust.  Sorry if that doesn't fall into your narrative but the only real people to ask about whether the Trust board is or isn't doing it's job is the Trust membership. 

I would also say members of the Trust are Lynn fans, many are also members of the FotL and many contribute to other fundraising schemes within the club.  For most of the membership I don't think there is such an 'us and them' attitude as you would like to promote.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Grissles Oleary on February 25, 2021, 06:11:25 PM
I think the pigeon club should make a donation,after all many of their pigeons use the air space over the ground. What have they contributed? A big fat nothing! :red card:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 25, 2021, 06:35:20 PM
Iíd instruct them to let their droppings go exactly on your head  and maybe the money youíve been creaming off the name of the club could used to help the club
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Paul47 on February 25, 2021, 07:44:58 PM
Great gesture from the Norwich fan who donated a 4 figure fee, and never even been to the Walks.

And some of our fans wonít even buy a stream to help the club.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/barrie-greaves-kings-lynn-town-fc-appeal-donation-7791392?fbclid=IwAR29C2VDcY4Ns739c5t4z1jpyv-1Wj0r-jGHwOxlKIjYJ9dflzs8htpz7xU
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Grissles Oleary on February 25, 2021, 07:51:22 PM
Iíd instruct them to let their droppings go exactly on your head  and maybe the money youíve been creaming off the name of the club could used to help the club



Can you provide evidence that proves I have been creaming off money in the name of the club that could have been used to fund the club,and from where? Would make a very interesting court case! :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 25, 2021, 07:59:08 PM
I would lose respect for the Trust if they gave in to the rabble rousing perpetrated by the Clubs number one lap dog.
True there is a pandemic on which has changed a lot this last year.  But the funds the Trust have are nowhere near
enough to bail the club out, even if the club asked.
A loan would be no good, as Mr Cleeve has stated, the Club does not want to be saddled with another loan.
Mr Cleeve plotted a course of his own choosing, swept along by an expectant public, blowing air into the sails.
Perhaps this same public should now be putting their hands in their pockets.
I believe the Club accounts are due to be filed very soon. I hope the Trust would look at these, before making any knee jerk reactions.

Loopy you still haven't answered the questions.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Paul47 on February 25, 2021, 07:59:55 PM
It is admirable that these fine souls keep to the constitution and principles of the original organisation and how they have maintained that in such a disciplined manner. However it is, on the other side, a very poor show for  a constitution drawn on normal times to not re-write the constitution in times such as a pandemic. To this end the Government has had to do this in ensuring the country was provided the furlough system and other changes to ensure that people in this country were not found dead lying in the streets in which we live. So the trust must consider constitutional amendment. To this point it is understandable that they may find it to much of a risk to part with even some of their "foodbank" to this particular cause, but we must see some "noise" from this group before kick off on Saturday. One way or the other, yay or nay, with reasoning is required. Without this any respect the trust has within the terrace will be lost and the trust will in turn lose all credibility, and I suspect some membership. Here will be opposition to any future ambition the trust has for the continuation of football in Lynn and opposition to their future involvement.

Excellent post. I donít pretend to know the ins and out of how trusts run, but in such unprecedented times youíd think a way would be found to help the club. Iím sure every Lynn fan wants the club to get through this period.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Mallard on February 25, 2021, 08:01:54 PM
A fantastic gesture from the deceasedís family.   Letís hope all those fans who have Kings Lynn at heart offer all the support they can.   The results will speak volumes.   Stephen Cleeve can then see how high a regard the Club Is held under his watch.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Kevin Holland on February 25, 2021, 09:11:18 PM
It is admirable that these fine souls keep to the constitution and principles of the original organisation and how they have maintained that in such a disciplined manner. However it is, on the other side, a very poor show for  a constitution drawn on normal times to not re-write the constitution in times such as a pandemic. To this end the Government has had to do this in ensuring the country was provided the furlough system and other changes to ensure that people in this country were not found dead lying in the streets in which we live. So the trust must consider constitutional amendment. To this point it is understandable that they may find it to much of a risk to part with even some of their "foodbank" to this particular cause, but we must see some "noise" from this group before kick off on Saturday. One way or the other, yay or nay, with reasoning is required. Without this any respect the trust has within the terrace will be lost and the trust will in turn lose all credibility, and I suspect some membership. Here will be opposition to any future ambition the trust has for the continuation of football in Lynn and opposition to their future involvement.

The furlough scheme has been used before, it's not new or an unknown, it's part of an armoury used to prop up business. rarely used, but more democracies with large economies have them.  Ours was tinkered with and re-introduced after the Swedes, Portuguese, Fins, Italians and Norwegians changed there's to almost 100% of pay in some cases.

Trust constitutions are written in law i think, not down to the individual Trust per se,  I stand to be corrected....
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: northwootton on February 25, 2021, 11:55:53 PM
I am a Trust member and have been since its inception.  The purpose of the Trust is absolutely clear; itís to enable supporters to have a share and hence a say in the running of the club.  The current owner has also made it abundantly clear that he wants to be sole owner so why would he expect any funds from the Trust.  Why would the owner expect the Trust to just hand over funds under any circumstances whether foreseen  or otherwise.  And as for lending the money, well thatís a joke. We know nothing of the true financial position of the club.  The owners tarnished reputation particularly of his ban on being a director and his ownership of a hotel that went into receivership with a considerable deficit, would leave any lender extremely hesitant to make a loan.  The owner is soon out with the begging bowl and seems bemused when he doesnít get the support he expects and just like his previous attempts, I think his latest ruse will also fail.  No, Mr Cleeve, you want to go it alone and as far as I am concerned go it alone you must.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 26, 2021, 01:14:52 AM
And there you have it the trusts only object to gain control on the running of the club ,,well I honestly hope you never ever get the club ,in fact why donít you start your own club as you absolutely no interest in helping this one and as for cleaves shady past I can remember few members of this trust during Chins era that more shady than Cleeve ,Fans should be made completely aware that you donít have the welfare of the club as a priority only that you seek control of the club for some of you with financial greed and control
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 26, 2021, 07:23:56 AM
Been sniffing the barmaids apron again Loopy? :cheers:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Mallard on February 26, 2021, 07:54:03 AM
I think itís important that any individual or organisation, who has an interest in the club, and With cash on the hip gives it to The Clubs 100% individual ownership  to help him to continue to pay for his hobby. Do me a favour.

Letís see the Club make some effort at cost cutting to bring down the £100k per month ( plus) running cost).   Surely in any business your overheads have to be the first thing you look at, not your last.   
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: northwootton on February 26, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
Oh Loopy, youíre full of such good ideas.  You obviously canít understand the difference between having a say and having control.  As you are so blinkered, I hope you have already pledged your £300 or perhaps you have given even more.  I would imagine you must have, given your infatuation with Mr Cleeve.  Regarding your glib statement regarding Trust members, obviously you must have facts to back this up so why donít you name names.  I think the one thing fans need now is to face reality, the current situation as we are lead to believe, is beyond redemption.  Getting fans to buy into Cleeveís latest fantasy is, to say the least, farcical.  In my view, itís throwing good money after bad and it is doomed to fail.  One final point Loopy, who gives you the opportunity to spew your ill-thought verbal trash, why, itís the Trust. The very Trust that you hate so much. 
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Mallard on February 26, 2021, 08:00:02 AM
I think people need to be very careful in naming names and throwing around accusations etc.   It would get a lot more expensive than £300 for some.

Admin.   Could I request that this thread is either pulled or pinned before some people say something they may later regret.

Just a suggestion, as it was developing into an interesting thread.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 26, 2021, 08:15:36 AM
Some people can't have reasoned debate Mallard. Hence the mud slinging to divert attention from the matter in hand. There's been 10;years of such behaviour, usually when the chips are down. Usually from the same source. I wonder why?
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: northwootton on February 26, 2021, 08:17:21 AM
Mallard and Admin, I donít think this thread should be pulled.  I think even Loopy would understand that naming names with no evidence could lead to a lot of trouble for him.  My suggestion was made tongue in cheek, surely even he would realise that. Wouldnít he?
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Dilligaf on February 26, 2021, 08:19:03 AM
I dont either....been an interesting read. Keep it alive dont muzzle it
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Paul47 on February 26, 2021, 08:29:47 AM
Shame a post that Loopy started to obviously get a reaction (which he has quite successfully), has more comments that the win against Barnet - but I guess that's not unusual on here.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: TonyM on February 26, 2021, 08:44:54 AM
Shame a post that Loopy started to obviously get a reaction (which he has quite successfully), has more comments that the win against Barnet - but I guess that's not unusual on here.

Paul, appreciate what you are saying and whilst it would be great to 'just' talk about the football, Tuesday's game may soon be seen as an irrelevance if the club can't find a way to resolve it's financial issues and it is reasonable for people to question the Trust's role in the situation.  What I find disappointing is that there have been a number of Trust members on here explaining their (and the wider Trust) position but it seems the clamour for 'the Trust to do something' seems to be almost exclusively to be from non-Trust members.

Now may not be the time but there is a debate to be had about why the Trust is not more representative of the 1200 average home attendance from last season and how it is perceived by non-members
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Mallard on February 26, 2021, 09:02:58 AM
Shame a post that Loopy started to obviously get a reaction (which he has quite successfully), has more comments that the win against Barnet - but I guess that's not unusual on here.

Get what you are saying Paul.   All I was trying to do is protect Loops from saying anything they might regret.

With so much going on in the World and in Football,  itís almost like the actual events taking place on the pitch are a sideshow.  When you think that Some clubs are on the verge of going out of business.  Then all the all minutes taken/not taken on the little matter of £10m handouts.  Who said what and who didnít.

Football at our level hasnít covered itself in glory.   The thing has now snowballed.  So now we get to this word salad thread.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 26, 2021, 09:07:59 AM

So now we get to this "word salad" thread.

 :laughcry:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 26, 2021, 09:10:01 AM
Can you provide evidence that proves I have been creaming off money in the name of the club that could have been used to fund the club.

Was this from the days when you had an Ice Cream van?

 :laughcry:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Mallard on February 26, 2021, 09:20:36 AM
Took me a few years to work out the difference between a 99 and a 69
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Grissles Oleary on February 26, 2021, 09:28:35 AM
Took me a few years to work out the difference between a 99 and a 69

You have to pay for a 99. :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 26, 2021, 10:00:08 AM
And now Iím being moderated lmfao you canít make this crap up
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: admin on February 26, 2021, 10:12:42 AM
A result of making unsubstantiated claims in the middle of the night!
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 26, 2021, 10:35:45 AM
A result of making unsubstantiated claims in the middle of the night!
Why canít the trust just be honest and say that they wonít help club as they only interested in gaming control of the club
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: KES80 on February 26, 2021, 10:38:44 AM
People should perhaps be reminded on here, that anything unsubstantiated and defamatory on here is potentially actionable. It is requisite of the club and the players to up their game and be more professional as they go up the ranks in terms of how they act on and off the pitch and how they voice their views in public......would be nice to think that the fans could also do their bit too....or is that too much to ask ?
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: jesuslinnet on February 26, 2021, 10:47:21 AM
loopy
Someone who's loopy is batty or nutty ó in other words, not the picture of mental health.
I found this in my dictionary. :welcome:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 26, 2021, 10:54:20 AM
Took me a few years to work out the difference between a 99 and a 69

You have to pay for a 99. :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:

Something else I've obviously got wrong!   :banghead;

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Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Grissles Oleary on February 26, 2021, 11:11:39 AM
Took me a few years to work out the difference between a 99 and a 69

You have to pay for a 99. :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:

Something else I've obviously got wrong!   :banghead;


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Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Dilligaf on February 26, 2021, 11:23:36 AM
A debate about a match we all watched is hardly going to last as long or draw as much interest as a debate about something that is going on that none of us know what the outcome will be....especially when a bit of spice is added by someone... :dontknow:
Such is life
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Paul47 on February 26, 2021, 11:37:06 AM
A debate about a match we all watched is hardly going to last as long or draw as much interest as a debate about something that is going on that none of us know what the outcome will be....especially when a bit of spice is added by someone... :dontknow:
Such is life

Pretty certain "we" all didn't watch it.......and I'm pretty certain if we had of lost there would have been a lot more than the 6 posts there were when we won. But such is life.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Dilligaf on February 26, 2021, 11:39:45 AM
I am pretty sure you're right Paul....maybe everyone didnt watch it....but who knows..... :farmer: :farmer: :farmer:
You yourself commented once on the match thread in question and 5 times on this thread.... :dontknow:...but as we say....such is life
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Paul47 on February 26, 2021, 11:43:59 AM
I am pretty sure you're right Paul....maybe everyone didnt watch it....but who knows..... :farmer: :farmer: :farmer:

Those who didn't buy the stream missed out. Good performance and goals. Shame more didn't talk about it. Hopefully a similar performance and result tomorrow.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Mallard on February 26, 2021, 12:24:43 PM
Spot on Paul, letís see the season end with a humdinger, and a victory of course.  No City game on ifollow till Sunday, that should help swell the numbers.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Grissles Oleary on February 26, 2021, 12:58:45 PM
Has anyone heard from Stan lately? Is it possible to have a virtual bucket collection during the live streaming? :dontknow: :cheers:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: westlynnmike on February 26, 2021, 04:09:59 PM
Pandemic has put us in this position nothing else , but then again when you got a supporters trust with supporters money not helping club they should hang their heads with shame , itís common knowledge that those at the helm of the trust only have on interest and thatís gaining control of the club , they are not supporters only leeches

LOOPY, PLEASE CHANGE THE RECORD, ITS SOUNDS AS IF IT'S SCRATCHED.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Grissles Oleary on February 26, 2021, 04:37:14 PM
I actually have no complaints with the trust helping the club out,but I feel they need to get something in return. Or what is to stop the club coming back at a later date for more? :dontknow: :bankrupt:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Dilligaf on February 26, 2021, 04:39:57 PM
Depends who does the asking realist....I was outed to a certain person at the club at their request a long while ago...🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Grissles Oleary on February 26, 2021, 05:58:35 PM
However despite the point being simple and fair, the Trust just jump in and, in some cases, ridicule the Clubs current SOS situation and attempts to keep things going.


Where has the Trust ridiculed the current situation at the club? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 26, 2021, 06:14:12 PM
See you did nothing after MARCUS ROSE called me a lapdog, deeply offensive.

Sorry to disappoint Realist,. But I was not referring to you. Unless you also post as Loopy Linnet. Also read the disclaimer at the bottom of page.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Grissles Oleary on February 26, 2021, 06:22:27 PM
Are you telling me this post from Blue and Gold is a genuine interest in how the SOS is going? It is not!!!

Join the Trust and put your suggestions forward for consideration. If members then voted for the constitution to change, it would be done.

The Trust only has about 80 members. Lots of them from the older generation. Most of them still go to the Walks when possible. They are not a 5th Column, despite what some say on here and would like you to believe (or are put up to saying on here).

If we say thereís 1200 supporters these days, I make that an additional 1120 that could also contribute.

How many have done so at this moment in time? Exactly how is the Clubs SOS appeal going at the moment? Are we anywhere near the target yet?


I feel B & G has a valid point,you can't change things from the outside. :dontknow:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: TonyM on February 26, 2021, 07:16:33 PM
Realist, I have taken you at your word and gone back to your original post (edited below) and would give you my personal response (again this is just the views of one member, not that of the Trust)...

It is admirable that these fine souls keep to the constitution and principles of the original organisation and how they have maintained that in such a disciplined manner. However it is, on the other side, a very poor show for  a constitution drawn on normal times to not re-write the constitution in times such as a pandemic.  To this end the Government has had to do this in ensuring the country was provided the furlough system and other changes to ensure that people in this country were not found dead lying in the streets in which we live. So the trust must consider constitutional amendment.

I have heard nothing from any other Trust, not those clubs that are 100% Trust owned, those who own part of their club or even those Trusts who have no direct ownership, looking to amend their constitution.  As B&G has earlier said members can propose changes, although certain things are 'set in stone' which is, in part, down to how Trusts are regulated through the Financial Conduct Authority.

To this point it is understandable that they may find it to much of a risk to part with even some of their "foodbank" to this particular cause, but we must see some "noise" from this group before kick off on Saturday. One way or the other, yay or nay, with reasoning is required. Without this any respect the trust has within the terrace will be lost and the trust will in turn lose all credibility, and I suspect some membership. Here will be opposition to any future ambition the trust has for the continuation of football in Lynn and opposition to their future involvement.

I don't really understand what you are asking for here?  There are procedures in place if enough members want to ask for an EGM to discuss a particular issue (and vote where necessary) and equally the board have a duty to consult the membership before certain actions are taken but what you probably have is a board that speaks to / gauges their memberships views reasonably regularly so neither party (members or board) see that any action is relevant at this time.

What I would say is I know the dialogue between Trust board and the chairman is not what it could be, as evidenced by the fact that the Trust is still sitting on £3.5K of supporters generated money for ground development waiting for the club to put forward what they would like this money to be spent on.  The GDF (which is not a Trust scheme, nor Trust money but the Trust board administer it because, as noted above, they are a regulated organisation) previously paid money towards the new turnstyles at the away corner but for whatever reason this never really became the bridge between the club and the Trust/supporters that it could have been.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Mallard on February 26, 2021, 07:21:23 PM
Surely itís more than just got off the ground Real.  I have read that two sizeable 4 figure sums have been donated.    Might well be enough in the pot by now to go again next week.  Unless it is going to used toward the £100k needed to get to the end of the season without playing.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Dilligaf on February 26, 2021, 07:26:40 PM
Is it just me thinking it or does there seem to be a concerted anti-trust pincer movement today??.... :dontknow:
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Mallard on February 26, 2021, 07:31:54 PM
I think there seems to be more interaction on the Forum than for sometime.  Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 26, 2021, 08:10:48 PM

What I would say is I know the dialogue between Trust board and the chairman is not what it could be, as evidenced by the fact that the Trust is still sitting on £3.5K of supporters generated money for ground development waiting for the club to put forward what they would like this money to be spent on.  The GDF (which is not a Trust scheme, nor Trust money but the Trust board administer it because, as noted above, they are a regulated organisation) previously paid money towards the new turnstyles at the away corner but for whatever reason this never really became the bridge between the club and the Trust/supporters that it could have been.

Tony, my understanding of the current situation and the GDF is that the Trust informed the Club that they just need instructions from Mark at the Club with regards to how to get the money to them, but they have not been contacted as yet.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 26, 2021, 09:25:18 PM
Thanks Tony 

haha You are right the club and trust relationship is not what it could be, I am beginning to see why !!! If that blue and gold guy is involved.

To the post, I elaborated somewhat ,but like others was keen to know if the trust would help the club in these times, understanding that they may not of course feel it safe enough to do so. Just an answer yes we can or no we cant help. THATS IT.

Facebook holds the same question ,

Thanks
realist those on trust committee are only interested in one thing and thatís gaining control of the club. Some on here said fans should vote with their feet and not attend when buster got the club the trust were outraged that buster got it theyíre still as bad that Cleeve has the club as ive said their sole purpose is to try and gain control of the the club they will have no interest in helping it through these unprecedented times ,I be surprised if moderates will allow this post as they have taken it upon themselves to moderate my post and deny freedom of speech
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Mallard on February 26, 2021, 09:40:26 PM
How far have the Club got in their latest round of asking for money and how much is the target Loopy?  Must be a good few quid by now with the announcement of the two very generous high 4 figure amounts.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: admin on February 26, 2021, 09:45:59 PM
Loopy not denying you freedom of speech, you are allowed an opinion - I would just like some of your claims substantiated.
In the twenty-plus years this forum has been running there has only been one case where solicitors have been involved. I would prefer to have no more.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 26, 2021, 09:55:45 PM
Loopy not denying you freedom of speech, you are allowed an opinion - I would just like some of your claims substantiated.
In the twenty-plus years this forum has been running there has only been one case where solicitors have been involved. I would prefer to have no more.

You should tell them the full story. Iím sure that Loopy and maybe others would find it interesting.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on February 27, 2021, 07:16:52 AM
Loopy, the only outrage I recall when Buster took over, was the man himself down at the Lynnsport meeting. Remember I take it you was there.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: dillydilly on February 27, 2021, 10:59:05 AM
I donít get involved with the financial discussions on here because I donít know anywhere near enough to enable me to enter a relevant point.  However, it needs to be re-iterated that the financial difficulties at the club are almost entirely the result of bad luck.  The Chairman and Managers have done a magnificent job of putting this club on the football map, and I sincerely hope they maintain their interest in making even more progress.  The Pandemic is the cause of the problems.  I believe the KL crowd showed, particularly in the York match, that we would have no problem competing in this league were the crowd allowed back in.  If we can hang on until then, I believe the attendances might well be amongst the highest in the league, if we are competitive against the ďbigĒ clubs.  Then all should turn in our favour on the financial front. 
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: TonyM on February 27, 2021, 11:15:56 AM
I donít get involved with the financial discussions on here because I donít know anywhere near enough to enable me to enter a relevant point.  However, it needs to be re-iterated that the financial difficulties at the club are almost entirely the result of bad luck...   

Sorry Dilly, but having said you don't know enough to get involved you then make a statement that doesn't square with the information that is in the public domain.  We still don't have details of the loss incurred in the NLN promotion season, nor obviously the current season, but the position at the end of the step 3 promotion season certainly wasn't 'magnificent'.  Yes, lots of progress has been made on the pitch under SC/IC but it was very clear well before the pandemic that the off pitch operation was lagging behind and falling short of what was required and unfortunately COVID has brutally exposed those weak foundations.

Fingers crossed we still have a club when the 2021/22 season kicks off and hopefully crowds will be back at the Walks to support the team at whatever level we find ourselves at and hopefully all parties who have the good of KLTFC at heart can find a way to work together.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: westlynnmike on February 27, 2021, 05:08:45 PM
Stephen Cleeve mentioned on the Stream this afternoon that the figure was approx £15000 so far.
Title: Re: Trust
Post by: Grissles Oleary on February 27, 2021, 05:16:45 PM
Stephen Cleeve mentioned on the Stream this afternoon that the figure was approx £15000 so far.

2 x 5000 donations, 40 x 300 pledges, Terry's go fund me at about 1600? :dontknow:
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