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Title: Substitutes
Post by: TonyM on March 14, 2021, 10:57:57 AM
Has anything been said anywhere as to why we didn't have more subs yesterday?  Whilst I can understand IC's comment a couple of weeks ago about throwing a host of younger lads in together having a detrimental impact on their development, I think the same could be said when they look at a bench for a home game with only 3 subs, one of whom is a 50 year old keeper.  Are we really saying Bastock is a better outfield option if we had an injury near the end than, say, Joe Taylor?  Personally I don't understand why the lads who have signed forms are not included in the match day squad, even if it was just for additional cover.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: gs50 on March 14, 2021, 11:12:07 AM
What i can't understand is why one or two of the fit furloughed players can't come into the squad. I think IC can only take so much with him not being prepared to be interviewed doesn't seem happy place at moment. Must agree can't see why couple of youngsters couldn't be on bench for home games.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: KES80 on March 14, 2021, 11:41:54 AM
Agree Tony, would have thought this is an ideal time to give a few of the promising youngsters a taste of NL football towards the end of games........ the club really have to make the best of this time rather than keep moaning and groaning...if they have to carry on then forgoodnes sake try and turn it into a positive........look at some trialists etc, blood some youngsters and give the club better options going forward as a result.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: gs50 on March 14, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
It's given Fleming time in the team and has looked the part very impressed.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Dilligaf on March 14, 2021, 12:28:54 PM
Well....I guess we know how promising IC sees them.
The academy manager is a GK...mid 20's I guess, played for res and was apparently at Norwich for a few weeks....but a 50 yr old was still a better option???
Seems to me IC has just closed ranks...no interviews...incomings no doubt from his contacts only....certainly seems strange that the no relegation, and no pressure on winning hasn't turned the rest of the season into just a pre-season ready for 2021-22.
Unless of course we're not being told everything by our chairman... :dontknow: :dontknow:
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Linnet on March 14, 2021, 12:56:13 PM
What i can't understand is why one or two of the fit furloughed players can't come into the squad. I think IC can only take so much with him not being prepared to be interviewed doesn't seem happy place at moment. Must agree can't see why couple of youngsters couldn't be on bench for home games.
Fair enough GS if they came into the squad SC would have to pay their wages instead of you and me and others paying them via our taxes
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Non League on March 14, 2021, 01:41:27 PM
Agree a few of the younger players should be giving a chance. There's good evidence of players over the years who may not have been great at a lower level, but actually excel at a higher level when giving the chance. I'm sure when Rashford burst onto the scene, it was said within Man Utd that he wasn't actually rated the best of the youngsters, but was giving a chance, excelled and rest is history. Got his chance because they were short on numbers, and same could happen here. There's no relegation, so experiment. Could turn out that one or two players could be good squad players next season, which means more could be spent on some top player for first XI.

At the moment, club is not only tossing away money, but also a free swing to see who can play at this level moving forward.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 14, 2021, 02:22:48 PM
Must agree can't see why couple of youngsters couldn't be on bench for home games.
Fair enough GS if they came into the squad SC would have to pay their wages instead of you and me and others paying them via our taxes

Why would SC have to pay their wages?
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Nemesis on March 14, 2021, 03:02:26 PM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Gordon Chilvers on March 14, 2021, 03:58:19 PM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
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Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Linnet on March 14, 2021, 05:03:49 PM
Must agree can't see why couple of youngsters couldn't be on bench for home games.
Fair enough GS if they came into the squad SC would have to pay their wages instead of you and me and others paying them via our taxes

Why would SC have to pay their wages?
Because  you can't be furloughed and work for your employer at the same time so SC has to pay them as normal if they "work"
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Linnet on March 14, 2021, 05:05:01 PM
Must agree can't see why couple of youngsters couldn't be on bench for home games.
Fair enough GS if they came into the squad SC would have to pay their wages instead of you and me and others paying them via our taxes

Why would SC have to pay their wages?
Or maybe try flexible furlough where they work a part week or maybe 45 mins per game :-)
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 14, 2021, 05:13:00 PM
Must agree can't see why couple of youngsters couldn't be on bench for home games.
Fair enough GS if they came into the squad SC would have to pay their wages instead of you and me and others paying them via our taxes

Why would SC have to pay their wages?
Because  you can't be furloughed and work for your employer at the same time so SC has to pay them as normal if they "work"

Are the under 21's employed by the Club?
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Linnet on March 14, 2021, 05:20:43 PM
Must agree can't see why couple of youngsters couldn't be on bench for home games.
Fair enough GS if they came into the squad SC would have to pay their wages instead of you and me and others paying them via our taxes
Possibly not but the question put by GS was to use fit again furloughed players

Why would SC have to pay their wages?
Because  you can't be furloughed and work for your employer at the same time so SC has to pay them as normal if they "work"

Are the under 21's employed by the Club?
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 14, 2021, 06:20:42 PM
Must agree can't see why couple of youngsters couldn't be on bench for home games.
Fair enough GS if they came into the squad SC would have to pay their wages instead of you and me and others paying them via our taxes
Possibly not but the question put by GS was to use fit again furloughed players

Why would SC have to pay their wages?
Because  you can't be furloughed and work for your employer at the same time so SC has to pay them as normal if they "work"

Are the under 21's employed by the Club?

OK,see what you mean.

I was just asking in relation to the youngsters that GS mentioned, as highlighted by the quote.

I think IC has said something about why he is unwilling to go down that route. It would appear a feasible option to help us limp to the end of the season, but heís the boss and certainly knows more about such things than I do.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Beardsmore80 on March 15, 2021, 03:40:36 PM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Dilligaf on March 16, 2021, 03:28:57 PM
I see that FBT is hardly getting any minutes at peterboro fc...wonder if there would be any thing in it if the question was asked if he would come back on loan until season end???
Depends what our relationship is with Peterboro I suppose.... :dontknow:
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Nigel1505 on March 16, 2021, 04:04:01 PM
I've noticed that over the past few games. Nowhere near as many starts and sub as last season.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: somerset linnet on March 16, 2021, 04:40:03 PM
Can anyone enlighten me on the new loan signing Theo Richardson from Cleethorpes. Post from Lynn website says he will play tonight with No 1 Shirt. Does this mean Mair is missing.  :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Gordon Chilvers on March 16, 2021, 05:03:38 PM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 16, 2021, 05:19:13 PM
Can anyone enlighten me on the new loan signing Theo Richardson from Cleethorpes. Post from Lynn website says he will play tonight with No 1 Shirt. Does this mean Mair is missing.  :scarf: :scarf:


Internationals coming up.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: TonyM on March 16, 2021, 05:26:10 PM
Can anyone enlighten me on the new loan signing Theo Richardson from Cleethorpes. Post from Lynn website says he will play tonight with No 1 Shirt. Does this mean Mair is missing.  :scarf: :scarf:


Internationals coming up.   :dontknow:

Don't think Archie was in the last squad and next fixture for Scotland u21s looks like September so doesn't look like international cover.  That said we know he won't be here next season so maybe we are starting to see the season being turned into trials for 2021/22 which sounds strange with 18 games to go but would at least be a positive to come out of the mess that 2020/21 has been.  Was the new lad at Grantham during IC's brief spell there?
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Dilligaf on March 16, 2021, 05:36:37 PM
Totally correct Gordon...and I think you'll find there are yet more ex KLCF/KLFC players still plying their trade on the other side of the pond
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Gordon Chilvers on March 16, 2021, 07:53:33 PM
Totally correct Gordon...and I think you'll find there are yet more ex KLCF/KLFC players still plying their trade on the other side of the pond
Thank you Dilligaf. I still have the photo in my showroom with Dom wearing a Double G Clothing sponsored Reserves shirt.
I am sure i am right that Mark Heath Preston has also had an amazing career in the States.
The lad Freestone at Cheltenham is also i believe another product of the Kings Lynn Community Football programme. Played against the mighty Man City in the Fa Cup recently and had a great game.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Beardsmore80 on March 16, 2021, 10:19:45 PM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 16, 2021, 10:37:59 PM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Beardsmore80 on March 16, 2021, 10:56:48 PM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 17, 2021, 12:01:10 AM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!


Surely they are in the same position Dom was in.  :dontknow:

Do we now say that these didn't come through via our Academy?

Just asking.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Beardsmore80 on March 17, 2021, 10:05:27 AM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!


Surely they are in the same position Dom was in.  :dontknow:

Do we now say that these didn't come through via our Academy?

Just asking.

They are in the same position if they join at 15.... that they came through another academy. However the difference would be they will now play for 5 years in Kingís Lynn Academy post leaving, due to the new u19 set up at the club.  1 season isnít coming through the academy. He played in the community set up,, yes. But didnít come through it. He came through Norwich Academy.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 17, 2021, 10:10:24 AM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!


Surely they are in the same position Dom was in.  :dontknow:

Do we now say that these didn't come through via our Academy?

Just asking.

They are in the same position if they join at 15.... that they came through another academy. However the difference would be they will now play for 5 years in Kingís Lynn Academy post leaving, due to the new u19 set up at the club.  1 season isnít coming through the academy. He played in the community set up,, yes. But didnít come through it. He came through Norwich Academy.

Hope this helps.

Hi

Thanks.

Is that the official definition of "coming through our Academy"?

Just wondering about young Gascoigne (as an example). If he moves on to greater things, wouldn't it be good for the future marketing of our Academy to say that he came though it?
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Beardsmore80 on March 17, 2021, 10:26:56 AM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!


Surely they are in the same position Dom was in.  :dontknow:

Do we now say that these didn't come through via our Academy?

Just asking.

They are in the same position if they join at 15.... that they came through another academy. However the difference would be they will now play for 5 years in Kingís Lynn Academy post leaving, due to the new u19 set up at the club.  1 season isnít coming through the academy. He played in the community set up,, yes. But didnít come through it. He came through Norwich Academy.

Hope this helps.

Hi

Thanks.

Is that the official definition of "coming through our Academy"?

Just wondering about young Gascoigne (as an example). If he moves on to greater things, wouldn't it be good for the future marketing of our Academy to say that he came though it?

No worries at all, happy to help you understand how it works.

I mean sure, if someone comes through then it would be brilliant for the club. Strange point really, thatís an obvious one. One other positive is that it would allow for less moaning from a lot of people on here.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 17, 2021, 11:08:29 AM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!


Surely they are in the same position Dom was in.  :dontknow:

Do we now say that these didn't come through via our Academy?

Just asking.

They are in the same position if they join at 15.... that they came through another academy. However the difference would be they will now play for 5 years in Kingís Lynn Academy post leaving, due to the new u19 set up at the club.  1 season isnít coming through the academy. He played in the community set up,, yes. But didnít come through it. He came through Norwich Academy.

Hope this helps.

Hi

Thanks.

Is that the official definition of "coming through our Academy"?

Just wondering about young Gascoigne (as an example). If he moves on to greater things, wouldn't it be good for the future marketing of our Academy to say that he came though it?

No worries at all, happy to help you understand how it works.

I mean sure, if someone comes through then it would be brilliant for the club. Strange point really, thatís an obvious one. One other positive is that it would allow for less moaning from a lot of people on here.

Hi

Thanks.

I'm still wondering what point you are trying to make. The definition that you use about "not coming through the Academy". Is that the official stance or just one person opinion?

Just on the point of people moaning on here. That's Football. Previously described as Terrace talk prior to Social Media making an appearance. "One mans meat is another man's poison" and all that. Indeed, could it not be said that it's moaning when people have the opinion that Dom came through the Academy, and others dispute that?

Personally I think the "moaning" tag is usually just people having different opinions.

Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Beardsmore80 on March 17, 2021, 11:33:13 AM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!


Surely they are in the same position Dom was in.  :dontknow:

Do we now say that these didn't come through via our Academy?

Just asking.

They are in the same position if they join at 15.... that they came through another academy. However the difference would be they will now play for 5 years in Kingís Lynn Academy post leaving, due to the new u19 set up at the club.  1 season isnít coming through the academy. He played in the community set up,, yes. But didnít come through it. He came through Norwich Academy.

Hope this helps.

Hi

Thanks.

Is that the official definition of "coming through our Academy"?

Just wondering about young Gascoigne (as an example). If he moves on to greater things, wouldn't it be good for the future marketing of our Academy to say that he came though it?

No worries at all, happy to help you understand how it works.

I mean sure, if someone comes through then it would be brilliant for the club. Strange point really, thatís an obvious one. One other positive is that it would allow for less moaning from a lot of people on here.

Hi

Thanks.

I'm still wondering what point you are trying to make. The definition that you use about "not coming through the Academy". Is that the official stance or just one person opinion?

Just on the point of people moaning on here. That's Football. Previously described as Terrace talk prior to Social Media making an appearance. "One mans meat is another man's poison" and all that. Indeed, could it not be said that it's moaning when people have the opinion that Dom came through the Academy, and others dispute that?

Personally I think the "moaning" tag is usually just people having different opinions.

I would say that itís more common sense attempting to prevail than anything else. One season in community football before joining the menís set up....but as itís opinions then yes of course youíre entitled to see that as the definition of coming through an academy.

But to my original point, the community wasnít slated. It was praised. The club is now attempting to start an academy from younger ages, which as a National League club, is imperative. Somehow people have decided to make negative of it for whatever reason and now label it as ďterrace talkĒ. Baffling.  Hence the moaning comment I made.

Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Mallard on March 17, 2021, 11:50:39 AM
Surely where ever a youngster has been has added something to his development ?
Maybe in Dwyerís case the big development push didnít come at Colley, as he was released?  It might be suggested that the  year at Lynn was the one that really pushed him on.

Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Beardsmore80 on March 17, 2021, 12:08:38 PM
Surely where ever a youngster has been has added something to his development ?
Maybe in Dwyerís case the big development push didnít come at Colley, as he was released?  It might be suggested that the  year at Lynn was the one that really pushed him on.

Of course, not doubting that at all, Mallard. Obviously learned a lot at Norwich but sometimes as you say it is the next step where people can grow. Not disputing that at all. Same can be said for Sonny.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on March 17, 2021, 12:09:53 PM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!


Surely they are in the same position Dom was in.  :dontknow:

Do we now say that these didn't come through via our Academy?

Just asking.

They are in the same position if they join at 15.... that they came through another academy. However the difference would be they will now play for 5 years in Kingís Lynn Academy post leaving, due to the new u19 set up at the club.  1 season isnít coming through the academy. He played in the community set up,, yes. But didnít come through it. He came through Norwich Academy.

Hope this helps.

Hi

Thanks.

Is that the official definition of "coming through our Academy"?

Just wondering about young Gascoigne (as an example). If he moves on to greater things, wouldn't it be good for the future marketing of our Academy to say that he came though it?

No worries at all, happy to help you understand how it works.

I mean sure, if someone comes through then it would be brilliant for the club. Strange point really, thatís an obvious one. One other positive is that it would allow for less moaning from a lot of people on here.

Hi

Thanks.

I'm still wondering what point you are trying to make. The definition that you use about "not coming through the Academy". Is that the official stance or just one person opinion?

Just on the point of people moaning on here. That's Football. Previously described as Terrace talk prior to Social Media making an appearance. "One mans meat is another man's poison" and all that. Indeed, could it not be said that it's moaning when people have the opinion that Dom came through the Academy, and others dispute that?

Personally I think the "moaning" tag is usually just people having different opinions.

I would say that itís more common sense attempting to prevail than anything else. One season in community football before joining the menís set up....but as itís opinions then yes of course youíre entitled to see that as the definition of coming through an academy.

But to my original point, the community wasnít slated. It was praised. The club is now attempting to start an academy from younger ages, which as a National League club, is imperative. Somehow people have decided to make negative of it for whatever reason and now label it as ďterrace talkĒ. Baffling.  Hence the moaning comment I made.

You still haven't answered my question. Is it an official view that young players who have previously been with another Academy but are now at Lynn's, can't claim to have come through the Lynn's Academy? Or, is it just your opinion?

Who's been negative towards the Academy? It's something that people having been wanting for years and felt badly let down by the people involved prior to Cleeve's arrival. 

What's baffling is you seeing something that's not there, and calling it moaning.

The Academy is just what was needed and could help on so many levels, although I do wish it had a better relationship with some of the local Clubs.

Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Mallard on March 17, 2021, 12:26:47 PM
The academy is very much in its infancy and remains to be seen how fruitful it may become in years to come. 

I guess itís down to facilities, quality of coaching and general pull.   Norwich have a hellva scouting system in place in Norfolk so that is a real big fish to compete with.

Beard, are you involved in the Lynn system or anywhere else?  Maybe you could tell us some of the strengths and indeed weaknessís of what is being attempted.

Could make for an interesting insight. 
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Beardsmore80 on March 17, 2021, 12:37:29 PM
The academy is very much in its infancy and remains to be seen how fruitful it may become in years to come. 

I guess itís down to facilities, quality of coaching and general pull.   Norwich have a hellva scouting system in place in Norfolk so that is a real big fish to compete with.

Beard, are you involved in the Lynn system or anywhere else?  Maybe you could tell us some of the strengths and indeed weaknessís of what is being attempted.

Could make for an interesting insight.

Itís definitely going to be tough, I guess it needs to be seen that it wonít be in direct competition with Norwich, as that would be incredibly difficult like you say. No doubt there are a lot of good young players around and if there is an opportunity to provide a platform then itís a no brainer. If it means picking up players released at 12/13 etc from academies then thatís a positive and something that previously wasnít an option.

I have worked in academy set ups previously and have always wondered why Lynn didnít have one.
Title: Re: Substitutes
Post by: Beardsmore80 on March 17, 2021, 12:44:34 PM
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!


Surely they are in the same position Dom was in.  :dontknow:

Do we now say that these didn't come through via our Academy?

Just asking.

They are in the same position if they join at 15.... that they came through another academy. However the difference would be they will now play for 5 years in Kingís Lynn Academy post leaving, due to the new u19 set up at the club.  1 season isnít coming through the academy. He played in the community set up,, yes. But didnít come through it. He came through Norwich Academy.

Hope this helps.

Hi

Thanks.

Is that the official definition of "coming through our Academy"?

Just wondering about young Gascoigne (as an example). If he moves on to greater things, wouldn't it be good for the future marketing of our Academy to say that he came though it?

No worries at all, happy to help you understand how it works.

I mean sure, if someone comes through then it would be brilliant for the club. Strange point really, thatís an obvious one. One other positive is that it would allow for less moaning from a lot of people on here.

Hi

Thanks.

I'm still wondering what point you are trying to make. The definition that you use about "not coming through the Academy". Is that the official stance or just one person opinion?

Just on the point of people moaning on here. That's Football. Previously described as Terrace talk prior to Social Media making an appearance. "One mans meat is another man's poison" and all that. Indeed, could it not be said that it's moaning when people have the opinion that Dom came through the Academy, and others dispute that?

Personally I think the "moaning" tag is usually just people having different opinions.

I would say that itís more common sense attempting to prevail than anything else. One season in community football before joining the menís set up....but as itís opinions then yes of course youíre entitled to see that as the definition of coming through an academy.

But to my original point, the community wasnít slated. It was praised. The club is now attempting to start an academy from younger ages, which as a National League club, is imperative. Somehow people have decided to make negative of it for whatever reason and now label it as ďterrace talkĒ. Baffling.  Hence the moaning comment I made.

You still haven't answered my question. Is it an official view that young players who have previously been with another Academy but are now at Lynn's, can't claim to have come through the Lynn's Academy? Or, is it just your opinion?

Who's been negative towards the Academy? It's something that people having been wanting for years and felt badly let down by the people involved prior to Cleeve's arrival. 

What's baffling is you seeing something that's not there, and calling it moaning.

The Academy is just what was needed and could help on so many levels, although I do wish it had a better relationship with some of the local Clubs.

Ever so sorry that I havenít answered your question.

As previously mentioned, common sense is an important factor in determining this. Again, as stated above, 1 year doesnít come into it. Iíd like to think that was fairly obvious. Maybe not. Beyond that I guess itís open to interpretation.

I was making a point that instead of people discussing how good it may become for the club, the first comment I saw was moaning and brining up the community side of it. I didnít mean the academy was criticised itself.
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