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Title: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: westlynnmike on April 10, 2021, 01:56:10 PM
Kairo Mitchell is next player to depart. Gone to Chesterfield for undisclosed Fee.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: m a hill on April 10, 2021, 02:22:43 PM
Well he didnít last long but if heís been offered more money who can blame him and he will be nearer home so less traveling, I hope we got a transfer fee for him
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Mallard on April 10, 2021, 02:33:53 PM
If the Club needs cash then why not cash in on offers that come in ?    Next season might look very different in terms of what is available to IC.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on April 10, 2021, 03:28:17 PM
 :farmer: :oldman"  We need money to survive, there may well be lots of players available next season, Kairo Mitchell was not a name mentioned or possibly even heard off by any Lynn supporters at the start of the season. We will finish the season re group in the summer, new players in hopefully crowds back in full and some big attendances will help swell the coffers. All in all this pandemic was not foreseen, itís happened and we as a club, like many others have to pick up the pieces and fight on.  :oldman" :farmer:
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: TonyM on April 10, 2021, 05:14:43 PM
SC explained the situation on commentary - lots of interest for Mitchell but Chesterfield matched our valuation (plus sell on clause) and with them paying 52 week contracts it was a step up for the player and the club won't stand in a player's way if the club and player have done things properly.  Difficult in the current climate and squad situation but can't always choose when teams come in with bids for players
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: KES80 on April 10, 2021, 05:18:14 PM
I am disappointed to see him go....more so than I was with Marriott.......but it just shows the buying power of these big full time clubs. The Chesterfield manager is getting lots of plaudits for their run, but they have simply achieved that by plundering the likes of Gloucester and Weymouth and now Lynn.
Very, very difficult to keep players when its a full time contract versus a part time one.......and so Lynn have unearthed a few gems during the season and they get picked off just like that.........Carey is also obviously being looked at.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: gs50 on April 10, 2021, 05:22:31 PM
Think the timing stinks. They pulled fast one on us today why not wait until after game. Really getting pis --ed off with whole situation.Whose next.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 10, 2021, 06:40:45 PM
Whose next.

You don't think the sale has finished yet?   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Mallard on April 10, 2021, 06:48:13 PM
Well whoever they are I hope itís a Mitchell type deal and not a Marriot one.

Iíd be interested to hear ICís take on all these departures.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 10, 2021, 06:54:36 PM

Iíd be interested to hear ICís take on all these departures.

You and lots of others.

Be surprised if it happens though, wouldn't you?

Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Loughborough Linnet on April 10, 2021, 07:00:02 PM
I am disappointed to see him go....more so than I was with Marriott.......but it just shows the buying power of these big full time clubs. The Chesterfield manager is getting lots of plaudits for their run, but they have simply achieved that by plundering the likes of Gloucester and Weymouth and now Lynn.
Very, very difficult to keep players when its a full time contract versus a part time one.......and so Lynn have unearthed a few gems during the season and they get picked off just like that.........Carey is also obviously being looked at.

Think we might have Carey until those teams with a transfer window can get involved in buying him.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: admin on April 10, 2021, 08:27:25 PM
An undisclosed fee of £25k plus?
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/sport/football/new-chesterfield-signing-kairo-mitchell-has-potential-and-will-bring-goals-3196081
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Mallard on April 10, 2021, 08:36:59 PM
25k plus 1000 paying for streaming. 35k.   Lovely Jubley
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on April 10, 2021, 08:37:28 PM
25k. is it enough to buy the Land Rover back ?  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: gs50 on April 10, 2021, 08:42:10 PM
Would be better trying to get new investors instead of selling players. One thing pandemic has shown is you can't get away being a one man band.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: KES80 on April 11, 2021, 10:52:41 AM
Absolutely gs, £25k is peanuts at this level and people posting on here need to wake up to that IMHO
Improved income streams are required urgently...how long have some us been saying that. Mitchell really is one for the future....Lynn haven't a cat in hells chance of competing next season if they sell off the gains/findsof this year and start from scratch again in a few months. They seem to have the old small club mentality of previous years...happy to be a small club, find develop sell on and don't stand in the player's way of progression........if a guy signs for a year then he should IMO be encouraged to honour that, otherwise players will be picked off again over the next 6 months, Lynn will quickly find themselves back in NLN and the dream will be well and truly over. Good strikers are hard to find........in the space of 6 months we have lost Loza, Marriott and Mitchell.........take a quick look at the high scorers for the club for this season and consider how we will fare if we can't replace them.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Non League on April 11, 2021, 10:58:48 AM
Very, very difficult to keep players when its a full time contract versus a part time one.......and so Lynn have unearthed a few gems during the season and they get picked off just like that.........Carey is also obviously being looked at.

Been a tough reality check this season for everyone associated with Lynn. And hopefully everyone associated realises that Lynn have a ceiling which they're at now. No shame in that, but only so far you can push being part time.

Personally I think the days of having a 'close knit' squad are gone. You just need to keep a few vocal players involved who know where club has come from, likes of McAuley, Clunan, Gash and ideally would have been Pedro too. Then be ruthless in accepting the club will be a revolving door for players like Mitchell, where club picks them up cheap, gives them the chance to impress at this level, and cash in when the opportunity to play full time comes along. That's the 'sustainable' the club should be going for. Not paying big wages, and hoping the fans will come in big numbers.

Big question for that model though, would Culverhouse accept it?
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: KES80 on April 11, 2021, 11:18:37 AM
Exactly Non League......for the first time this season I feel really exasperated, as I saw Mitchell as a great find and a main stay for next season........so goodness knows how IC is currently feeling.
Callan-McF has been the most important find IMO....great central defender at this level and local connections, so hopefully we can hold on to him and the full backs and that at least gives us some platform...really important to have a core of locally based players, so the likes of McCauley, Clunan, Gascoigne, Jones, Richardson, Gash etc could be important going forward.....tho for some of them age is not on their side and there are questions as to whether some are really good enough at this high level.
Maybe the club needs to be tougher in negotiations ? On a crowd of 2000, takings would be 40-50k.... that's for each home game. On that basis £25k for Mitchell, doesn't seem much of a return to me.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: TonyM on April 11, 2021, 11:54:37 AM
KES, maybe we all need to wake up.  A couple of years ago we were a 'big fish' at step 3 so could attract better players (for that level) and SC seemed to have the cash to bankroll / financially dope the club to be successful at that level.  I think we may have been able to survive at step 2 building on that model but thanks to a strong start and COVID we find ourselves at step 1 without the players or infrastructure to back that up and thanks again to COVID we look like we will have another crack at it next year.

Questions have to be asked about pre-season recruitment this year and hopefully those involved in the football side are now far more aware of what is required and also what is out there.  I think the model you and NL have suggested is probably sensible, if nothing else it avoids the situation we shell out for a lot of two year deals which we are then saddled with should we end up going down next season, we are already gambling with the long term viability of the club as it is imo.  Realistically we can't compete financially with many in the NL for a variety of reasons (bigger crowds, off field income streams, richer owners) so we will always be prone to losing our players to other clubs so the model then needs to be one of bringing players through and having a core who are less likely to leave through local ties or age, what this furlough period has shown is that there are capable players available on loans from league u23 teams if we have the contacts and will to play them
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: gs50 on April 11, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
On a brighter note thought Coleman Babos and Howard look decent players .
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Mallard on April 11, 2021, 12:36:41 PM
Players, as will come and go for a variety of reasons.  We were successful at step 2 down to Ian Culverhouse adding maybe 10% to most if not all players.  Without a doubt we were punching and that was down to Culverhouse improving what we had and it being a tight knit group.

Next season itís a total rebuild job.  The key to all is Ian Culverhouse.   Remember what happened last time we lost him!

I do wonder what next season holds and wonder why IC is not coming out to meet press and indirectly the fans after each game.  His silence is a worry.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 11, 2021, 12:46:30 PM

I do wonder what next season holds and wonder why IC is not coming out to meet press and indirectly the fans after each game.  His silence is a worry.

Careful Mallard. I think the last time IC did an interview with NLP he then left the club!
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Mallard on April 11, 2021, 12:53:20 PM
As I recall B&G it was in the NLP were we announced he leaving in an exclusive.   Iíd love to hear Ian come out and say he was up for next season rebuild job.   
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: dillydilly on April 11, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
Many on here are concerned about next season, and understandably so.  If, however, SC and IC can keep the ship afloat, we start next season, (if Covid allows), with big potential.  I base this on the York crowd, and the fact weíll have as big a game as that every fortnight !  If we are doing well, we can pull in some of the BEST crowds in that league, and therefore swell the coffers to a level that will attract better players.  Every reason to be cheerful, IMHO.  I must deliver a Dilly-downer, however, for my honoured fellow scribes....  I didnít rate Kairo Mitchell, and donít think we have reduced the teamís capabilities by selling him !!!!!  Sad we lost Marriott, but we have Southwell, who will thrive with better attack-minded players around him.  I hope we keep Carey and King, but who knows......
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 11, 2021, 01:36:21 PM
I believe that next season, and probably a few after will depend on the intentions of the Chairman and what he sees as his priorities.

Keeping the club at itís current level/chasing the dream of league football, or attempt to claw his Directors loans back.

Due to the considerable cost of one, and the large amount of the other, I really canít see there being any happy medium with this one.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: KES80 on April 11, 2021, 01:57:37 PM
Many on here are concerned about next season, and understandably so.  If, however, SC and IC can keep the ship afloat, we start next season, (if Covid allows), with big potential.  I base this on the York crowd, and the fact weíll have as big a game as that every fortnight !  If we are doing well, we can pull in some of the BEST crowds in that league, and therefore swell the coffers to a level that will attract better players.  Every reason to be cheerful, IMHO.  I must deliver a Dilly-downer, however, for my honoured fellow scribes....  I didnít rate Kairo Mitchell, and donít think we have reduced the teamís capabilities by selling him !!!!!  Sad we lost Marriott, but we have Southwell, who will thrive with better attack-minded players around him.  I hope we keep Carey and King, but who knows......

Hi Dilly agree re positive notes and     Richards, King and Carey would be great if we could keep all 3.

Game of opinions tho as highlighted by your comments re the forwards......for me we have had the best of Marriott and haven't reduced our forward options much by his going to Eastleigh, particularly as our system has changed and he relied heavily on that, whereas Mitchell was just coming into his own.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Non League on April 12, 2021, 11:53:36 AM
Maybe the club needs to be tougher in negotiations ? On a crowd of 2000, takings would be 40-50k.... that's for each home game. On that basis £25k for Mitchell, doesn't seem much of a return to me.

The income would be less than £40k-£50k on 2000 fans, as a % would be young people paying less, season ticket holders where money is in already OAPs etc. Probably looking around more £20k-£25k the income from 2000 fans attending including food/drink. That's relying on a 40%-50% increase in attendance next season from 19-20. A lot of carrying required in the hope that certain home games bring big away followings, and the town turns up too. Because if results are like this season next, it'll be hard to increase the numbers, especially mid week games which is always a challenge.

A £25k sale might not seem big, but at this level it is, especially in current climate. It's money that can go straight towards clearing debts/money reserves, whilst the budget still stays based on projected home crowds. Say you get 4 sales like that across 2 seasons. That's a nice £100k, which for Lynn can't be sniffed at.

Trying to compete with clubs bank rolled beyond their means is a recipe for disaster. Getting Culverhouse to buy into a model like I said, and club staying in National League for 3-4 seasons would be utterly unbelievable, even if the best season is like 18th. One huge caveat of being at this level as we've seen this season, straight in at 4th Qualifying round. One game from a potential money spinner against a big football league club where's quite a few. Potential next season you could get home or away, Sheff Wed/Sunderland/Ipswich/Portsmouth, with quite a few other clubs that would carry good size crowds like Bradford/MK Dons/Plymouth/Swindon/Bolton/Lincoln.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: gs50 on April 12, 2021, 12:03:59 PM
Based on what we have. received for Karo what is your valuation of Sonny Carey as the press seem to be trying hard to sell him.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: KES80 on April 12, 2021, 12:27:02 PM
Well it's a game of opinions Non League !  I can see your argument if the situation re Covid doesn't improve for 3/4 seasons, but otherwise a crowd of 2000 has to be a very conservative estimate of what should be achieved, so dissecting the calculation up as you have done makes little sense to me and in any case, it's the principle that I am making that is important......if you genuinely believe that £25k is a significant sum in National League terms, then I think you are way off beam.
If Lynn are going to survive in the NL they have to start thinking like a NL club..........the attendance for example will have to be nearer 3000 average I would suggest, other income streams and sponsorship will need to be increased, there will have to be good use of more local talent, and connections developed, including loan deals. It's a massive shift from what Lynn have been in the past...it won't happen overnight, but it has to happen fairly quickly. SC can't keep pulling financial rabbits out of his own personal hats.......and as for selling two of the best players in successive seasons each for £25k and still staying in the league... that's just fanciful.

Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Non League on April 12, 2021, 12:42:51 PM
Based on what we have. received for Karo what is your valuation of Sonny Carey as the press seem to be trying hard to sell him.

Depends what sort of league club he goes too.

Probably something around £50k (with added clauses such as appearances/goals/promotion totalling X amount), with a home friendly and a sell on %. That's probably still towards high end.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: KES80 on April 12, 2021, 12:52:15 PM
I have only heard of Colchester, Bournemouth and Swansea being interested in Sonny.

Are there others ?

There's reportedly more money swashing around in the NL than there is in League 2 and Colchester are near the bottom. ........but if a Championship were interested that should be a significant sum.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: KES80 on April 12, 2021, 01:44:20 PM
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/national-league/transferrekorde/wettbewerb/CNAT/saison_id/alle/land_id//ausrichtung//spielerposition_id//altersklasse//leihe//w_s//zuab/0/plus/1



Info on recent trfrs involving National League Clubs
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Nikki on April 12, 2021, 02:24:57 PM
Based on what we have. received for Karo what is your valuation of Sonny Carey as the press seem to be trying hard to sell him.

Depends what sort of league club he goes too.

Probably something around £50k (with added clauses such as appearances/goals/promotion totalling X amount), with a home friendly and a sell on %. That's probably still towards high end.
I think you will find that someone at the club thinks the value is nearer 5 times that amount.I heard that theres another player being sold this week.I don't think  its Sonny's time yet.I hope not.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: gs50 on April 12, 2021, 02:47:24 PM
I think you are nearer the figure I would value him at would be a steal if it was less than 100K.we can't be selling the likes of King Carey or McFadden.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Wingwizzard on April 12, 2021, 03:02:22 PM
the problem we have with selling players  clubs with money know our financial position and they buy them on the cheap
and  I assume most players are on a season by season   contract which  they can walk away from at the end of the season.
Not a great situation to be in but it is what it is - the chairman is only trying to make ends meet.
as for next season I imagine the average attendance will be somewhere around 1500. Come September when the furlough scheme ends I can see lots of people being made unemployed and they wont have the money to pay for the luxury of watching football.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 12, 2021, 03:25:03 PM
I think you are nearer the figure I would value him at would be a steal if it was less than 100K.we can't be selling the likes of King Carey or McFadden.

I'd be surprised, but who knows. We all seen previously how tempted Football Clubs can be at times.

I'd go along similar lines as Non League when it comes to valuation.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Mallard on April 12, 2021, 04:07:14 PM
Based on what we have. received for Karo what is your valuation of Sonny Carey as the press seem to be trying hard to sell him.

Depends what sort of league club he goes too.

Probably something around £50k (with added clauses such as appearances/goals/promotion totalling X amount), with a home friendly and a sell on %. That's probably still towards high end.
I think you will find that someone at the club thinks the value is nearer 5 times that amount.I heard that theres another player being sold this week.I don't its Sonny's time yet.I hope not.



Who does ya Dad say it is this time ?  King, Barrows, Richards ..... Am I close ?
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: KES80 on April 12, 2021, 04:38:11 PM
Getting warmer  :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: KES80 on April 12, 2021, 04:40:50 PM
Possibly someone else that Chesterfield liked the look of on Saturday.....it seems to be the way they operate
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: KES80 on April 12, 2021, 04:55:39 PM
the problem we have with selling players  clubs with money know our financial position and they buy them on the cheap
and  I assume most players are on a season by season   contract which  they can walk away from at the end of the season.
Not a great situation to be in but it is what it is - the chairman is only trying to make ends meet.
as for next season I imagine the average attendance will be somewhere around 1500. Come September when the furlough scheme ends I can see lots of people being made unemployed and they wont have the money to pay for the luxury of watching football.


Obviously a cup half full type of guy :laughcry:
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Mallard on April 12, 2021, 06:31:28 PM
Getting warmer  :laughcry: :laughcry:

Who you putting ya hard earned on ? 😙
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: KES80 on April 12, 2021, 07:44:32 PM
Well if it's Chesterfield again, then it has to be  Gyasi......the only one to really show, given that King moved to Lynn to be in the area, Callan McF likewise and Carey would go higher if he were to go.


If it's not Chesterfield, then it could just be the keeper Richardson finishing his loan if Mair is coming back, but  to be honest Mall, the way things are  going it could be anyone, for a number of different reasons. Perhaps there's been an offer for another one of the furloughed guys, who would rather be playing.

I've asked my Dad, but he doesn't know either  :laughcry:

Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Mallard on April 12, 2021, 07:52:04 PM
Wish I could ask mine. :sad:

Think itís going to be a busy summer for Messrs Culverhouse and Back.   Think there will be a lot of options available to them with players released from EFL clubs.  For example I saw Ipswich let 6 go last week, with undoubtedly more to follow.    Tough times for pro clubs going forward.

Was the Ipswich lad Baggott injured for Saturday ?
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on April 12, 2021, 08:52:40 PM

Was the Ipswich lad Baggott injured for Saturday ?


FA Youth cup duties for Ipswich.
Title: Re: Kairo Mitchell Leaves for Chesterfield
Post by: Mallard on April 12, 2021, 08:57:32 PM
Oh yes, they are having a great run.
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