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Title: F OT L open evening
Post by: m a hill on August 19, 2021, 01:36:42 PM
The F O T L Supporters Club are having an open evening to members and non members on the 7th of September. The idea of the meeting is to ask the fans what they would like us to do going forward and if we get the fans backing we are planning to hold a social evening once a month. In the very near future fans will be able to join FOTL online
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 19, 2021, 01:51:40 PM
The F O T L Supporters Club are having an open evening to members and non members on the 7th of September. The idea of the meeting is to ask the fans what they would like us to do going forward and if we get the fans backing we are planning to hold a social evening once a month. In the very near future fans will be able to join FOTL online

 This will be an evening mainly flying by the seat of our pants,this is all new to many of us so we don't expect to move mountains,but maybe we can kick over some molehills. An evening when you can come down ,have a beer and mingle,throw in some ideas for fundraising and events you would like to see? Open at 7 o'clock/19:00 hrs. :cheers:
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: TonyM on August 19, 2021, 02:11:12 PM
Good to see the FOTL posting on here and glad there is now an open meeting in the diary.  Griss, whilst I think we all appreciate there is a new committee, hopefully some of you will have been on committees previously so will have some idea of how organisations operate and events are run?

One main question springs to mind when reading the posts - why are you fundraising and where do the committee envisage those funds being directed?

Also in the meantime will there be a FOTL presence in the ground (not being distracted by selling programmes before the game) promoting the fundraising that is ongoing such as the 12th Man and the Hundred club?
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: m a hill on August 19, 2021, 02:17:38 PM
Barry Fysh is the man you are describing go up to him and say hello or me on the program stall
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 19, 2021, 02:36:11 PM
Good to see the FOTL posting on here and glad there is now an open meeting in the diary.  Griss, whilst I think we all appreciate there is a new committee, hopefully some of you will have been on committees previously so will have some idea of how organisations operate and events are run?

One main question springs to mind when reading the posts - why are you fundraising and where do the committee envisage those funds being directed?

Also in the meantime will there be a FOTL presence in the ground (not being distracted by selling programmes before the game) promoting the fundraising that is ongoing such as the 12th Man and the Hundred club?

Tony it is not so much that people don't know how to do things,it is more to do with doing things within the constraints of the current management set up. I would like to see some funds raised to improve things for the fans as well as continuing to help the club.
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: rod on August 19, 2021, 03:13:42 PM
Has a new commercial manager yet been appointed?
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Mallard on August 19, 2021, 03:43:34 PM
Has the Club begged Greg Plummer to come back and head up the media department ?   It is about time they put a professional in the role rather than giving the job to someone who happens to be hanging around the Club.
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: m a hill on August 19, 2021, 04:12:10 PM
No idea Mallard
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 19, 2021, 04:35:33 PM
Barry Fysh is the man you are describing go up to him and say hello or me on the program stall

Is he the one in charge of the fund raising?
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Blue Moon on August 19, 2021, 04:40:26 PM
The F O T L Supporters Club are having an open evening to members and non members on the 7th of September. The idea of the meeting is to ask the fans what they would like us to do going forward and if we get the fans backing we are planning to hold a social evening once a month. In the very near future fans will be able to join FOTL online
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Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 19, 2021, 04:47:09 PM
The F O T L Supporters Club are having an open evening to members and non members on the 7th of September. The idea of the meeting is to ask the fans what they would like us to do going forward and if we get the fans backing we are planning to hold a social evening once a month. In the very near future fans will be able to join FOTL online
Date - tick
Time - tick
Venue - ??

As Meatloaf said..............................................
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Mallard on August 19, 2021, 05:19:54 PM
I would do anything for love ( but I wonít do that) ?  Canít believe that one applies to some at The Walks
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: KES80 on August 19, 2021, 05:30:27 PM
Never did like that sentiment ie 2/3
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 19, 2021, 05:36:51 PM
The F O T L Supporters Club are having an open evening to members and non members on the 7th of September. The idea of the meeting is to ask the fans what they would like us to do going forward and if we get the fans backing we are planning to hold a social evening once a month. In the very near future fans will be able to join FOTL online
Date - tick
Time - tick
Venue - ??


Apologies for missing that bit out, it will be in the bar at the club. :cheers:
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: KES80 on August 19, 2021, 05:37:11 PM
 Btw He also sang "All revved up with no place to go" :laughcry:
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Mallard on August 19, 2021, 05:38:00 PM
All or nothing Man hey KES ? :thanks:

Malc.  Can we have an update on the full committee members and their positions within please ?
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 19, 2021, 05:38:28 PM
Never did like that sentiment ie 2/3

"Eww, Close enough"  (Homer Simpson).
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: KES80 on August 19, 2021, 05:40:59 PM
Well done Malcolm and John for organising....will do my best to be there........if I don't make it duebto time constraints, are you open to some input via email ? :scarf:
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 19, 2021, 05:48:12 PM
I'm sure a short account of the evening could be posted on here and on Facebook. :cheers:
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: KES80 on August 19, 2021, 05:50:19 PM
I'm sure a short account of the evening could be posted on here and on Facebook. :cheers:

Thanks Griss....was also meaning, could I contribute by a brief email in advance to you guys, if I don't manage to attend in person
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: m a hill on August 19, 2021, 06:03:26 PM
Sorry for that but I thought it was obvious it would have been held at the walks
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Mallard on August 19, 2021, 06:15:21 PM
No matter Malc you have plenty going on getting this new committee sorted.
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Gordon Chilvers on August 19, 2021, 10:10:23 PM
No matter Malc you have plenty going on getting this new committee sorted.
Which despite various requests on here there has (not by myself) been no names or job titles confirmed.
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 19, 2021, 10:54:00 PM
No matter Malc you have plenty going on getting this new committee sorted.
Which despite various requests on here there has (not by myself) been no names or job titles confirmed.

Yes, that would be very good to know.

One of the main things I would like to be assured of is that as its an Independent Supporters Club, the committee is aware that they are responsible for reporting to its  members and not Mr Cleeve.

Hopefully he will not try to assert any pressure on them. If he wants something from them it should be in the form of a request and not a demand. Presumably before any  large ticket items are purchased, the members will be approached for their approval.

FOTL's working with and not for, Lynn FC Ltd.
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Nemesis on August 20, 2021, 08:03:21 AM

One of the main things I would like to be assured of is that as its an Independent Supporters Club, the committee is aware that they are responsible for reporting to its  members and not Mr Cleeve.

Hopefully he will not try to assert any pressure on them. If he wants something from them it should be in the form of a request and not a demand. Presumably before any  large ticket items are purchased, the members will be approached for their approval.

FOTL's working with and not for, Lynn FC Ltd.

Difficult to be independent when partly reliant on the club website.
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: m a hill on August 20, 2021, 08:27:01 AM
When asked who is in charge of fund raising all the fotlsc committee are,and all of the fans
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: m a hill on August 20, 2021, 08:46:29 AM
The friends are soon to have their own website and yes we are fully Independent of the Club.  The committee are Chairman Malcolm Hill,Treasurer Matt Hanney Secretary Josh Yates,Membership Secretary Barry Fysh ,Committee Members Mark Mortimer,Mark Mallows ,Matthew Green.John Flanagan
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: TonyM on August 20, 2021, 09:03:32 AM
Malcolm, thanks for the committee list and roles

When asked who is in charge of fund raising all the fotlsc committee are,and all of the fans

Whilst this may be true in its widest sense, fundraising doesn't happen 'on its own' and generally needs to be co-ordinated and, in my experience, preferably by an individual who co-opts others for specific tasks rather than 'by committee'. 

Please could you give a summary of the current fundraising schemes that are up and running?  I know you are a new committee still finding it's feet but you have had two meetings since the AGM and the first home game is tomorrow and whilst transparency as to how the FOTL operates and where fundraising proceeds are directed is a laudable aim it is a bit irrelevant if fans are not aware of the various fundraising schemes - better to inform and publicise, not wait for fans to ask.
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: TonyM on August 20, 2021, 09:20:33 AM
One of the main things I would like to be assured of is that as its an Independent Supporters Club, the committee is aware that they are responsible for reporting to its  members and not Mr Cleeve.

Hopefully he will not try to assert any pressure on them. If he wants something from them it should be in the form of a request and not a demand. Presumably before any  large ticket items are purchased, the members will be approached for their approval.

FOTL's working with and not for, Lynn FC Ltd.

B&G, the FOTL isn't set up in the same way as the Blue & Gold Trust in many ways (no statutory regulation, different ethos, different constitution, etc) so I don't think the members 'need' to be approached for approval of funds being moved to the club, indeed in many cases this movement is explicit in the promotion of the fundraising activity ie 12th Man was promoted specifically for player budget so it would seem unnecessary to then ask members when this money is given to the club.

I think the onus is on the FOTL committee to have a good handle on these sorts of questions prior to the meeting on the 7th September and people can then make informed decisions on a) joining and b) which activities they are going to support
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 20, 2021, 09:43:17 AM
One of the main things I would like to be assured of is that as its an Independent Supporters Club, the committee is aware that they are responsible for reporting to its  members and not Mr Cleeve.

Hopefully he will not try to assert any pressure on them. If he wants something from them it should be in the form of a request and not a demand. Presumably before any  large ticket items are purchased, the members will be approached for their approval.

FOTL's working with and not for, Lynn FC Ltd.


B&G, the FOTL isn't set up in the same way as the Blue & Gold Trust in many ways (no statutory regulation, different ethos, different constitution, etc) so I don't think the members 'need' to be approached for approval of funds being moved to the club, indeed in many cases this movement is explicit in the promotion of the fundraising activity ie 12th Man was promoted specifically for player budget so it would seem unnecessary to then ask members when this money is given to the club.

I think the onus is on the FOTL committee to have a good handle on these sorts of questions prior to the meeting on the 7th September and people can then make informed decisions on a) joining and b) which activities they are going to support

Tony

Yes, I'm well aware of the difference between a Supporters Club and a Trust.

A club is simply a group of people who have a common cause or interest-such as supporting a football club. They are classed as an ďunincorporated associationĒ and the have no legal identity of its own, unlike a Trust. As a result they can only act through their officers, or other authorised members of its management committee.

The rules of a club (often called its constitution) are critical; they determine how the officers and other management committee members of the club are appointed, and what powers they have. If  the rules arenít followed then potentially the committee members arenít appointed lawfully, and so their actions may not be lawful either.

This could result in the committee members being personally liable for the actions of the club.

The committee of the club must carry out the expressed wishes of the MEMBERS.

So, the FOTL's Supporters Club committee members can be held legally responsible, just like Trust committee members are.

Regarding the 12th man example. Yes, you would like to think the committee would be capable of arranging that kind of thing without asking for permission of its members first (although reporting back on the matter would be important), but I did actually mention "big ticket items".

If they are not prepared to go to their members on such matters as major expenditure then I believe the Committee members will experience problems ahead and it could also affect the take up of new membership.

Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Mallard on August 20, 2021, 09:56:14 AM
Could the ĎFreindsí not set out goals for what they are aiming for then arrange fund raising ideas to meet those aims ?   At least that way the fans know what they are donating towards.

Surely this has to be a better way forward than the FOTL raising money to then have 10k in the pot and just handing it over to the club ?

Great that the 12th man idea is directed straight to players wages but maybe a big ticket project could really focus the attention as the main funding raising activity.   Something that would benefit the fans and the Club.
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 20, 2021, 12:20:29 PM
Malcolm, thanks for the committee list and roles

When asked who is in charge of fund raising all the fotlsc committee are,and all of the fans

Whilst this may be true in its widest sense, fundraising doesn't happen 'on its own' and generally needs to be co-ordinated and, in my experience, preferably by an individual who co-opts others for specific tasks rather than 'by committee'. 

Please could you give a summary of the current fundraising schemes that are up and running?  I know you are a new committee still finding it's feet but you have had two meetings since the AGM and the first home game is tomorrow and whilst transparency as to how the FOTL operates and where fundraising proceeds are directed is a laudable aim it is a bit irrelevant if fans are not aware of the various fundraising schemes - better to inform and publicise, not wait for fans to ask.

At the moment Tony the only fundraisers running are the 12th man scheme and the 100 club,we have nothing in the pipeline yet to speak of. This is one of the reasons for having an open evening,this gives fans an opportunity to make suggestions and put ideas forward,not just for possible ways to raise funds but also to make suggestions as to where those funds could be spent. :dontknow:
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Mallard on August 20, 2021, 12:27:14 PM
Griss if there is a big project would a joint venture with the Trust be an option ?   I know there are maybe certain people ( person) on The FOTL Committee who doesnít want to work with the Trust but time to put personnel issues to one side for the greater good.

New Broom and all that.  Time for mending fences.
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 20, 2021, 12:37:16 PM
Griss if there is a big project would a joint venture with the Trust be an option ?   I know there are maybe certain people ( person) on The FOTL Committee who doesnít want to work with the Trust but time to put personnel issues to one side for the greater good.

New Broom and all that.  Time for mending fences.

I personally would like to see more joint ventures between the Trust and the FOTL,the last joint quiz was very successful and swelled the coffers of the ground improvement fund. If all joint ventures would promote harmony and put monies into the ground improvement fund then everyone wins?
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Badger on August 20, 2021, 12:38:45 PM
I have in the past asked if the FOTL could advertise how they have helped the Club and what they have purchased. There is plenty of time to do this prior to the 7th Sep and if they did I believe a lot of people would like to become members especially at only £5. 

Regards -Badger.  :oldman"
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 20, 2021, 01:44:15 PM
I have in the past asked if the FOTL could advertise how they have helped the Club and what they have purchased. There is plenty of time to do this prior to the 7th Sep and if they did I believe a lot of people would like to become members especially at only £5. 

Regards -Badger.  :oldman"

At the present moment Badger records of previous assistance are not to hand,a few of the things off the top of my head include the disabled shelter,a stretcher,illuminated number boards for the dugouts,as more things come to light they will be widely publicised. As to future fundraising and purchases we hope we can keep the fans fully informed each step of the way.
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: TonyM on August 20, 2021, 02:04:26 PM
...The rules of a club (often called its constitution) are critical; they determine how the officers and other management committee members of the club are appointed, and what powers they have. If  the rules arenít followed then potentially the committee members arenít appointed lawfully, and so their actions may not be lawful either.

This could result in the committee members being personally liable for the actions of the club.

The committee of the club must carry out the expressed wishes of the MEMBERS.

So, the FOTL's Supporters Club committee members can be held legally responsible, just like Trust committee members are.

Going to agree to disagree on this B&G.  Having read through the FOTL constitution, it is written very, very loosely and with no reference to taking into account the views of members other than at the AGM so there isn't much the FOTL committee could do that it couldn't be argued would fall within the stated Aims and Objectives

If they are not prepared to go to their members on such matters as major expenditure then I believe the Committee members will experience problems ahead and it could also affect the take up of new membership.

This is a separate point and one I would fully agree with and may be an indication of why the membership was where it was at the last AGM.  A couple of years ago the accounts had a full breakdown of purchases made for the benefit of the club (and included items for the reserves and ladies sides as well as the first team) but unfortunately a similar breakdown was not provided for the past two financial years at the last AGM.
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 20, 2021, 02:25:00 PM
...The rules of a club (often called its constitution) are critical; they determine how the officers and other management committee members of the club are appointed, and what powers they have. If  the rules arenít followed then potentially the committee members arenít appointed lawfully, and so their actions may not be lawful either.

This could result in the committee members being personally liable for the actions of the club.

The committee of the club must carry out the expressed wishes of the MEMBERS.

So, the FOTL's Supporters Club committee members can be held legally responsible, just like Trust committee members are.

Going to agree to disagree on this B&G.  Having read through the FOTL constitution, it is written very, very loosely and with no reference to taking into account the views of members other than at the AGM so there isn't much the FOTL committee could do that it couldn't be argued would fall within the stated Aims and Objectives

If they are not prepared to go to their members on such matters as major expenditure then I believe the Committee members will experience problems ahead and it could also affect the take up of new membership.

This is a separate point and one I would fully agree with and may be an indication of why the membership was where it was at the last AGM.  A couple of years ago the accounts had a full breakdown of purchases made for the benefit of the club (and included items for the reserves and ladies sides as well as the first team) but unfortunately a similar breakdown was not provided for the past two financial years at the last AGM.

The laws of clubs are very tricky.

I do understand where you are coming from.

As its a "Supporters Club", meaning its for the supporters, unless the Constitution explicitly states that they do not have to consult with the members on such matters, they would be on a very sticky wicket if they didn't. If they did have this written into the constitution (why would they?), I would imagine many people would give The Supporters Club a wide berth. If, for whatever reason they decided they didn't want to consult with members, then that particular point needs to be included in the Constitution, probably under the aims and objectives i.e. If they make a decision not to report to members, then it is a particular objective of theirs so needs to be documented.

If I was a committee member I really wouldn't like to risk it, would you?
Title: Re: F OT L open evening
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 20, 2021, 04:51:51 PM
The friends are soon to have their own website and yes we are fully Independent of the Club.  The committee are Chairman Malcolm Hill,Treasurer Matt Hanney Secretary Josh Yates,Membership Secretary Barry Fysh ,Committee Members Mark Mortimer,Mark Mallows ,Matthew Green.John Flanagan

Thanks Malcolm.

Josh is still involved with FOTL's then, but no longer assisting with clubs website?

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