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Title: Stadium Manager
Post by: m a hill on August 22, 2021, 05:02:46 PM
Seems like we need a new Stadium Manager has Stuart Carpenter has resigned his post at the Club
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 22, 2021, 05:16:01 PM
Seems like we need a new Stadium Manager has Stuart Carpenter has resigned his post at the Club

Any reasons given as to why?

Can you Multi task Malcolm?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: m a hill on August 22, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Or is his name Caretaker
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 22, 2021, 05:30:35 PM
It would seem it takes a certain Ďcalibreí of person to maybe enjoy working at The Walks. 
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: m a hill on August 22, 2021, 05:31:01 PM
He obviously did not like the job sad that I quite liked the Guy
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 22, 2021, 05:31:29 PM
I thought he was a Carpenter not a caretaker Malc
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: m a hill on August 22, 2021, 05:38:08 PM
I thought his name was Carpenter
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: KES80 on August 22, 2021, 05:47:11 PM
Stuart Murphy
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 22, 2021, 05:48:47 PM
Murphy: Carpenter.  Easy mistake to make.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: KES80 on August 22, 2021, 05:56:48 PM
Yeah especially if you' ve just had a door re hung by a reputable Murphy........
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 22, 2021, 06:00:27 PM
Or sank a pint of Carpenterís
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: KES80 on August 22, 2021, 06:03:20 PM
Well behind the scenes and away from the squad, I have to say everything appears to be in pretty good shape at the club.......I am sure I will have that confirmed when I get to read the Southport programme, which I ordered on Thursday, paying £2 postage. Hopefully it will arrive tomorrow so I can read after work......have to say, excitement is beginning to mount now..........
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 22, 2021, 06:32:41 PM
Yes Kes you would think so wouldnít you.  Who is left at the club now to replace Hearle and Murphy?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Nigel1505 on August 22, 2021, 06:42:18 PM
Jacked it in already, hasn't been in the job ten minutes. Something wrong somewhere. 🤔
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: KES80 on August 22, 2021, 06:48:25 PM
No idea, who else could be promoted to that role or would want to be.....pretty demanding...maybe SC can go back to his second best candidate from interview.

Only people I am aware of being in admin/ management type roles at club are Zoe, who I have found to be efficient and helpful and the media crew. Btw I like the club website...looks professional and on the times I have used seems to work well. Desperately trying to be positive, but internally something appears not to be harmonious.

Do you know of any obvious candidates Mall ?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: happymondays on August 22, 2021, 07:05:56 PM
Sociopathic boss maybe ...just guessing
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 22, 2021, 07:26:08 PM
Iím struggling to see beyond you and Malcolm for the two roles KES.

I wonder what class of applicant they enjoyed for the CM job.   Seems a while ago that was put out there.   Must have had a boat load of applicants , the amount of time it seems to be taking to sift through them.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 22, 2021, 07:52:23 PM
Kitman packed it in as well!

Quick, call for Richard Simper. Mr Cleeves Knight in shining armour!

 :scarf:
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: KES80 on August 22, 2021, 08:00:47 PM
Iím struggling to see beyond you and Malcolm for the two roles KES

How did I know that was coming :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 22, 2021, 08:23:48 PM
Iím just sooooooo predictable KES  :cup2:

Simper coming back.  I thought when he left he told the club to stick it where the sun donít shine.

There seems a lot of positions at the club that are now vacant.   All sounding like a poisoned chalice.

Apart from Backie and Zoe, who is left ,?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: KES80 on August 22, 2021, 08:26:11 PM
Is the H&S guy still there.    .....and presumably a Club Secretary
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 22, 2021, 08:45:50 PM
No CM. Been without one it seems for some while

Kitman

Stadium Manager

Catering team left, have they been replaced at the Walks or at Heacham

Pro media team who can't get out the correct info etc ( donít understand why they donít offer it to Lakey or Plummer on a freelance basis)

IC. Seems to have left the same backroom staff with very little turnover.   Maybe he should get the job of employing the Ďteamí off the field as well.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: happymondays on August 22, 2021, 08:46:14 PM
So I'm not in the know here so what exactly is going on within the club and why is it being allowed to happen.It is actually a disgrace which with my entrance fee I am inadvertently paying for.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 22, 2021, 08:49:33 PM
No CM. Been without one it seems for some while

Kitman

Stadium Manager

Catering team left, have they been replaced at the Walks or at Heacham

Pro media team who can't get out the correct info etc ( donít understand why they donít offer it to Lakey or Plummer on a freelance basis)

IC. Seems to have left the same backroom staff with very little turnover.   Maybe he should get the job of employing the Ďteamí off the field as well.

No GM

No website guy.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Jamie on August 22, 2021, 09:01:51 PM

No website guy.

Not true
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 22, 2021, 09:10:39 PM

No website guy.

Not true

Thanks. I was referring to Josh who Malcolm said had left. I hadn't seen that he had been replaced.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Jamie on August 22, 2021, 09:15:07 PM

No website guy.

Not true

Thanks. I was referring to Josh who Malcolm said had left. I hadn't seen that he had been replaced.

As I said, not true. The website was designed and is run by a external company (with a few people able to post stories and update). Malcolm is wrong on this occasion.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 22, 2021, 09:17:12 PM
I guess despite all these people leaving then someone is filling the holes on an interim basis. 

For example Steve Curtis retiring someone is looking after the pitch.   Just alll lack of info coming out then again with a limited PR team not really surprising that little to no info comes through
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 22, 2021, 09:21:41 PM

No website guy.

Not true

Thanks. I was referring to Josh who Malcolm said had left. I hadn't seen that he had been replaced.

As I said, not true. The website was designed and is run by a external company (with a few people able to post stories and update). Malcolm is wrong on this occasion.

Fair enough.I was only going on what Malcolm had said on here, and was actually given as the reason why the on line application form for the fotl had not been done.

 Thanks for the valuable information.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 22, 2021, 09:27:50 PM
For example Steve Curtis retiring someone is looking after the pitch. 

I'd forgotten about Steve leaving recently, although IF it was due to retirement, I suppose that's a bit different than some of the other departures.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: KES80 on August 22, 2021, 09:53:17 PM
What a huge employer a full time club is:

Chairman

IC, Bazza,Backie , first team coach, plus guys overseeing Academy and younger sides

19 players

Physio, Analysts, Kitman, Groundsmen, Stadium Manager, Health and Safety Guy, Commercial Director , Media and website people, Zoe, Club Secretary, Transport People, Bar and hospitality staff, stewards and security, PA announcer, cleaners plus volunteers for turnstiles, programmes, raffles etc

I am sure I have missed a few too...could be in excess of 50 people.

Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: m a hill on August 23, 2021, 07:21:18 AM
I said Josh had left the secretarys job of FOTLSC Committee I never mentioned his role in the Football Ball club and Iam trying to get Josh to change his mind, so there you have the truth and nothing but the truth
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 23, 2021, 08:22:23 AM
Malcom.

We were talking about the on line application form being put on the website. When you said the gentleman who was going to do it had resigned you confirmed it was Josh. My understanding is that Josh was one of the few that had (or was going to have) access to the website, so  I think that's where any confusion arose.

Only a few days ago you kindly informed us who the members of the fotl committee are. As you can see from that post, you included Josh.

The friends are soon to have their own website and yes we are fully Independent of the Club.  The committee are Chairman Malcolm Hill,Treasurer Matt Hanney Secretary Josh Yates,Membership Secretary Barry Fysh ,Committee Members Mark Mortimer,Mark Mallows ,Matthew Green.John Flanagan
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 23, 2021, 09:07:28 AM
Easy to get confused with who is doing what at the club etc. Seems to be a very fluid situation these days.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: happymondays on August 23, 2021, 09:10:33 AM
Sounds like a primary school with a clown in charge to be fair.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: m a hill on August 23, 2021, 10:05:19 AM
When I said Josh had left I was referring to his post has Secretaryís job of the FOTLSC he has not left the committee  ,I am hoping that I can change his mind to stay on as Secretary  I hope this as cleared up the confusion
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: rod on August 23, 2021, 10:16:45 AM
Easy to get confused with who is doing what at the club etc. Seems to be a very fluid situation these days.

Fluid = confused?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 23, 2021, 10:51:59 AM
When I said Josh had left I was referring to his post has Secretaryís job of the FOTLSC he has not left the committee  ,I am hoping that I can change his mind to stay on as Secretary  I hope this as cleared up the confusion

Yes it has. Many thanks, although your post from last week did actually say he is Secretary.

Who's the Secretary at the moment?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: A47 Linnet on August 23, 2021, 01:12:04 PM
It is quite clear to me and many other people the club is in one
hell of a mess. The problem is Mr Cleave does not seen to care
and clearly can not see the problems that need to be addressed.
 as far as the lack of fans at Sat game, he could not care less about
that as long as there is a good gate even with away supporters, it
will really notice when we get a club not bring many fans. One of
the biggest things and it is the simplest to solve why no next games
at the Walks are not put up out side the ground.
           But I guess when we get to the 7th Sept get together MA Hil will
be able to give us answers, I hope so anyway it can not carry on
like this it is becoming a joke.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: kenny r on August 23, 2021, 01:21:21 PM
Supporters are a necessary evil as far as Mr C is concerned?

 He certainly doesn't seem to want to engage with us.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: happymondays on August 23, 2021, 01:25:50 PM
The wage bill must be 10.000 a week plus
Absolutely baffling why the club is not throwing everything at maximising crowds.


Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: A47 Linnet on August 23, 2021, 01:27:49 PM
I can not understand why MA Hill was calling our now departed
SM Stuart Carpenter when He was clearly Murphy, ( or was he a Carpenter AH ).
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 23, 2021, 03:39:45 PM
It seems staff at the club are very demoralised by the situation at the Club.  Everything is seat of the pants and last minute.
 
Up until Friday night no bar staff had been organised.   Food for the day wasnít sorted until Saturday.  The new guy Murphy walked because of this total lack of organisation and staff being Ďundervaluedí.

The word Iím getting is that things are in a hellva of a mess.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 23, 2021, 03:55:45 PM
It seems staff at the club are very demoralised by the situation at the Club.  Everything is seat of the pants and last minute.
 
Up until Friday night no bar staff had been organised.   Food for the day wasnít sorted until Saturday.  The new guy Murphy walked because of this total lack of organisation and staff being Ďundervaluedí.

The word Iím getting is that things are in a hellva of a mess.

Would you be prepared to work for less than minimum wage Mallard?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: happymondays on August 23, 2021, 04:03:02 PM
So the 500.000 loan.....is going towards the running of the club I presume. So surely the club should be running correctly  :banghead;
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: KES80 on August 23, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
I know it doesn't make things easier......but we aren't the only NL club struggling a bit behind the scenes :
I
https://barnetfc.com/a-message-from-our-chairman
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: KES80 on August 23, 2021, 06:03:15 PM
Ps my Southend programme still hasn't arrived
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 23, 2021, 06:21:50 PM
Wouldnt you think that when a club is in trouble they would put out an appeal to the people who are the most likely to help.... The Fans.   Always seems to be the first port of call when they need to raise a few bob.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: m a hill on August 23, 2021, 06:23:44 PM
A47 linnet will you be there on the 7th come up and induced yourself  to me then Iíll know use behind the silly name ,apart from me and Gordon Chivers who use their real name and then being accused of being in infant school is a bit of a joke
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 23, 2021, 06:40:29 PM
A47 linnet will you be there on the 7th come up and induced yourself  to me

I think he could get arrested for that.   :laughcry:


Malcolm. As far as I am aware, the 7th is just a FOTL's meeting. Its not there to address the whole supporter base,only those who have an interest in the FOTL's. I would also assume that the meeting is for FOTL's business, and not for you to take people to task for their comments. 

I also don't think its for discussing the general running of the Club, so maybe you could ask the Chairman to arrange a fans forum instead.   :dontknow:

I'm sure he would get a good response for that.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 23, 2021, 06:41:45 PM
Ps my Southend programme still hasn't arrived

The worlds second biggest lie..................its in the post!   :laughcry:
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 23, 2021, 06:50:13 PM
Surely thatís been superseded by ĎIíll email youí?  :laughcry:
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: rod on August 23, 2021, 07:09:02 PM
A47 linnet will you be there on the 7th come up and induced yourself  to me then Iíll know use behind the silly name ,apart from me and Gordon Chivers who use their real name and then being accused of being in infant school is a bit of a joke

I'm fairly sure that i know his identity and if correct, A47 linnet has made a very considerable contribution to the club going back over many years, in various capacities. By the way you can add me to your list of those who use their real name!
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 23, 2021, 08:34:29 PM
A47 linnet will you be there on the 7th come up and induced yourself  to me

I think he could get arrested for that.   :laughcry:


Malcolm. As far as I am aware, the 7th is just a FOTL's meeting. Its not there to address the whole supporter base,only those who have an interest in the FOTL's. I would also assume that the meeting is for FOTL's business, and not for you to take people to task for their comments. 

I also don't think its for discussing the general running of the Club, so maybe you could ask the Chairman to arrange a fans forum instead.   :dontknow:

I'm sure he would get a good response for that.

The 7th is not actually a meeting for FOTL, more an open evening so fans of all demoninations can come and mingle, you never know your luck but SC may have a few minutes free and would like a chinwag and a beer with his loyal customers?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 23, 2021, 08:39:27 PM
A47 linnet will you be there on the 7th come up and induced yourself  to me

I think he could get arrested for that.   :laughcry:


Malcolm. As far as I am aware, the 7th is just a FOTL's meeting. Its not there to address the whole supporter base,only those who have an interest in the FOTL's. I would also assume that the meeting is for FOTL's business, and not for you to take people to task for their comments. 

I also don't think its for discussing the general running of the Club, so maybe you could ask the Chairman to arrange a fans forum instead.   :dontknow:

I'm sure he would get a good response for that.

The 7th is not actually a meeting for FOTL, more an open evening so fans of all demoninations can come and mingle, you never know your luck but SC may have a few minutes free and would like a chinwag and a beer with his loyal customers?

Will he want Appearance money?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 23, 2021, 08:42:58 PM
So a meeting called by FOTL is not FOTL meeting ?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 23, 2021, 08:50:55 PM
So a meeting called by FOTL is not FOTL meeting ?

Nope, FOTL open evening, open to all fans who wish to come along and have a beer or socialise a bit, maybe make a few suggestions about how they would like to see the FOTL go forward?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Mallard on August 23, 2021, 08:54:23 PM
So it wonít carry the format of a meeting and be minuted etc Griss
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 23, 2021, 09:12:02 PM
So it wonít carry the format of a meeting and be minuted etc Griss

It will carry the format of an open evening as the title suggests, it is not about formalities, it is about trying to get people together? :scarf:
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: TonyM on August 23, 2021, 10:15:42 PM
So a meeting called by FOTL is not FOTL meeting ?

Nope, FOTL open evening, open to all fans who wish to come along and have a beer or socialise a bit, maybe make a few suggestions about how they would like to see the FOTL go forward?

...we have nothing in the pipeline yet to speak of. This is one of the reasons for having an open evening,this gives fans an opportunity to make suggestions and put ideas forward,not just for possible ways to raise funds but also to make suggestions as to where those funds could be spent. :dontknow:

Griss, if it not to be a 'proper meeting' then perhaps this needs to be explained to fans before people spend their time and petrol in going to a 'social' event.  I expected (hoped) the meeting to be an opportunity for the committee to explain to members and non-members alike what they have planned for the future and to listen to fans about the sort of things they would a) like to support and b) give direction for where future funds raised could be spent.  Given how few fans (as a proportion of the average crowd) were members of the FOTL in prior years I would have thought this would have been a key requirement if the goal of expanding the membership is to be achieved.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Grissles Oleary on August 23, 2021, 10:31:02 PM
So a meeting called by FOTL is not FOTL meeting ?

Nope, FOTL open evening, open to all fans who wish to come along and have a beer or socialise a bit, maybe make a few suggestions about how they would like to see the FOTL go forward?

...we have nothing in the pipeline yet to speak of. This is one of the reasons for having an open evening,this gives fans an opportunity to make suggestions and put ideas forward,not just for possible ways to raise funds but also to make suggestions as to where those funds could be spent. :dontknow:

Griss, if it not to be a 'proper meeting' then perhaps this needs to be explained to fans before people spend their time and petrol in going to a 'social' event.  I expected (hoped) the meeting to be an opportunity for the committee to explain to members and non-members alike what they have planned for the future and to listen to fans about the sort of things they would a) like to support and b) give direction for where future funds raised could be spent.  Given how few fans (as a proportion of the average crowd) were members of the FOTL in prior years I would have thought this would have been a key requirement if the goal of expanding the membership is to be achieved.

I think the words 'open evening' would be enough to sort of say that it is not a"meeting"?
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: m a hill on August 24, 2021, 02:37:45 AM
Tony M thatís exactly what the night will be all about,getting the fans to meet the committee and to discuss the way forward
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on August 24, 2021, 07:57:32 AM
Tony M thatís exactly what the night will be all about,getting the fans to meet the committee and to discuss the way forward

That sound like a FOTL's meeting to me!   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: TonyM on August 24, 2021, 08:26:38 AM
MAH, Griss, thanks for clearing that up, I guess you won't be surprised that I won't now be wasting the fuel in travelling to Lynn for a 'social drink' on the 7th.
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: Kevin Holland on August 24, 2021, 11:00:41 AM
MAH, Griss, thanks for clearing that up, I guess you won't be surprised that I won't now be wasting the fuel in travelling to Lynn for a 'social drink' on the 7th.

Isn't that where the best business gets done Tony?

Informally, over a few beers, where everyone gets a fair say rather than a formatted meeting controlled by someone who loves the sound of their own voice?

If you have 30 people in a bar, who all share a common goal,  add a few smiles and a little alcohol and watch what happens.

And remember, it's what happens between meetings that's important.

Meetings about meetings get sod all done other than ticking boxes and wasting everyone's time.



Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: TonyM on August 24, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
MAH, Griss, thanks for clearing that up, I guess you won't be surprised that I won't now be wasting the fuel in travelling to Lynn for a 'social drink' on the 7th.

Isn't that where the best business gets done Tony?

Informally, over a few beers, where everyone gets a fair say rather than a formatted meeting controlled by someone who loves the sound of their own voice?

If you have 30 people in a bar, who all share a common goal,  add a few smiles and a little alcohol and watch what happens.

And remember, it's what happens between meetings that's important.

Meetings about meetings get sod all done other than ticking boxes and wasting everyone's time.

Guess we are going to agree to disagree and I have been involved in enough organisations and on committees to have a fair idea of what good and bad looks like.  A get together 'informally over a few beers' will, at best, give you a few anecdotal examples of things that 'could' be done which I suppose may be preferential to a badly run formal meeting (the type you describe). 

Whilst I appreciate what happens 'between meetings' is important, this isn't a committee meeting.  When the fans evening was originally proposed it was sold as a chance for current and potential members to come along and be part of setting the direction and agenda for the FOTL going forward and imo this would be best done with a proper 'open meeting' with a good chair, who says little, but controls the meeting to enable all voices to be heard and proper discussion of the issues raised
Title: Re: Stadium Manager
Post by: m a hill on August 24, 2021, 12:29:22 PM
Tony M I hope thatís exactly what I want to happen,the idea is to get the fans feelings of what we need to do going forward and to swell the membership after all we are a Surporters club
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