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Title: Weymuff away
Post by: Mallard on October 28, 2021, 08:01:01 AM
Is it really too early to be talking about 6 pointers at this stage of the season ?  This is surely a game where we have to look at coming away with something

A defeat could see a minimum of a 5 point gap develop between ourselves and the Team directly above us.   A win would be a massive morale boast for not only the squad but the fans as well.  Just in time for the Walsall Cup tie.

Clean sheet time.  2-0 away win
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Bornandbred on October 28, 2021, 09:57:02 AM
Mallard-Remember the name.... Brandon goodship?  Was prolific for them in the southern premier etc then signed for Southend... He was always a huge threat at the walks, and you guessed it he has returned to Weymouth..... Sadly history says we never do well at there place... A draw if we are lucky🤔
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: TonyM on October 28, 2021, 01:25:18 PM
Is it really too early to be talking about 6 pointers at this stage of the season ?  This is surely a game where we have to look at coming away with something

A defeat could see a minimum of a 5 point gap develop between ourselves and the Team directly above us.   A win would be a massive morale boast for not only the squad but the fans as well.  Just in time for the Walsall Cup tie.

Clean sheet time.  2-0 away win

Not too early Mall, indeed many have been looking at previous games as 6 pointers or talking about our own 'mini-league' of clubs trying to avoid being in the bottom 3.  I think most would assume Southend with their new management and planning permission for a new ground will get themselves out of danger, so maybe looking at seven clubs including ourselves to face the drop - we won at Maidenhead and drew with Barnet but the home defeat to Wealdstone stands out as a missed opportunity.  Personally I would be happy with a point Saturday as we are hardly brimming with confidence and I think you may be being overly optimistic in thinking we could score twice AND keep a clean sheet.   

Key will be the lineup and formation IC goes with, Bowry was fit to start and with Morias coming on as sub in midweek IC does appear to have more options (I also think Taylor could be back in the frame too).  Will he revert to the front two he wanted to start the season with or has their stock fallen in favour of new faces?  Will he stick with three centre halves in the hope that the wing backs can provide some attacking threat or do we go back to a 4-4-2 and a diamond midfield that worked for the most part in NLN?  Unfortunately most of IC's options seem to have as many downsides as positives at present when shuffling a limited pack but fingers crossed he can come up with something to get a result Saturday.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 28, 2021, 01:44:25 PM
Is it really too early to be talking about 6 pointers at this stage of the season ?  This is surely a game where we have to look at coming away with something

A defeat could see a minimum of a 5 point gap develop between ourselves and the Team directly above us.   A win would be a massive morale boast for not only the squad but the fans as well.  Just in time for the Walsall Cup tie.

Clean sheet time.  2-0 away win

Not too early Mall, indeed many have been looking at previous games as 6 pointers or talking about our own 'mini-league' of clubs trying to avoid being in the bottom 3.  I think most would assume Southend with their new management and planning permission for a new ground will get themselves out of danger, so maybe looking at seven clubs including ourselves to face the drop - we won at Maidenhead and drew with Barnet but the home defeat to Wealdstone stands out as a missed opportunity.  Personally I would be happy with a point Saturday as we are hardly brimming with confidence and I think you may be being overly optimistic in thinking we could score twice AND keep a clean sheet.   

Key will be the lineup and formation IC goes with, Bowry was fit to start and with Morias coming on as sub in midweek IC does appear to have more options (I also think Taylor could be back in the frame too).  Will he revert to the front two he wanted to start the season with or has their stock fallen in favour of new faces?  Will he stick with three centre halves in the hope that the wing backs can provide some attacking threat or do we go back to a 4-4-2 and a diamond midfield that worked for the most part in NLN?  Unfortunately most of IC's options seem to have as many downsides as positives at present when shuffling a limited pack but fingers crossed he can come up with something to get a result Saturday.

Is Taylor still injured?
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Mallard on October 28, 2021, 01:49:25 PM
With Taylor back in the squad then even more competition up front with 4 strikers to select from
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: KES80 on October 28, 2021, 03:37:49 PM
Personally , I see it as a must win fixture, nothing less than 3 points will do, otherwise we will be cast adrift, needing 2 wins just to bridge the gap.........given that we've managed 2 wins in 12, that's not something we would want.....1-2 Lynn.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Mallard on October 28, 2021, 04:10:58 PM
If not then we are in a battle where it is perm any two from three in with Sarfend and Aldershot
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: KES80 on October 28, 2021, 04:28:04 PM
Yes, exactly and you would thing Senders would have the money to get out of trouble
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Nemesis on October 28, 2021, 04:54:02 PM
With Taylor back in the squad then even more competition up front with 4 strikers to select from
They might want to not risk Taylor with Wednesday's Youth Cup game coming up.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: John H on October 28, 2021, 05:12:17 PM
We knew that this league would be a real test. We are playing some good football and once we find a way to score goals which I'm sure we will, we will be fine.
Its very fine margins, we deserved to get something from the Southend, Dagenham, Solihull and Boreham games. We need to be patient, stick together and support IC, SC and the team. This is a fantastic level we are at and we have the makings of a very good team.
Prediction for Weymouth, a 1 - 0 win, Morias to score.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Nigel1505 on October 28, 2021, 05:46:01 PM
Well said J H. A positive post. Rarer than hens teeth. Upwards and onwards.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: m a hill on October 29, 2021, 08:06:41 AM
I agree with J H all the team really needs is another Marriot if Taylor is fit his name would be the first on the team sheet imo
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: dillydilly on October 29, 2021, 12:30:06 PM
I find it remarkable that many seem to be translating what they wish for, in fact what we all wish for, a victory, into a score line prediction of that victory.  It seems like what I call the Daily Express Syndrome, regarding Brexit !  I want KL to win, of course, but I think we will lose.  Sorry, canít help it !   As for the team, we must surely pick a team that COULD win, but we wonít get the win if we have a team
full of defenders, and ask then to do the attacking.  Weymouth wonít be able to attack, (and probably score), while we are, (so might !) Ö.. COYLÖ..
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: TonyM on October 29, 2021, 01:12:01 PM
I find it remarkable that many seem to be translating what they wish for, in fact what we all wish for, a victory, into a score line prediction of that victory.  It seems like what I call the Daily Express Syndrome, regarding Brexit !  I want KL to win, of course, but I think we will lose.  Sorry, canít help it !   As for the team, we must surely pick a team that COULD win, but we wonít get the win if we have a team
full of defenders, and ask then to do the attacking.  Weymouth wonít be able to attack, (and probably score), while we are, (so might !) Ö.. COYLÖ..

Dilly, I appreciate what you are saying in terms of people hoping without much cause for that hope but for those of us who have been to matches there are positives as well as negatives.  Personally I don't agree with your view that we have a team 'full of defenders', if that was the case you would have hoped for a clean sheet or two in a dozen league games, particularly when the defenders we have this season are a marked improvement on what we had last season.  Unfortunately the recruitment of the more attacking players hasn't been as successful although Davis looked good on debut and maybe away from the Walks the players can play with a bit more freedom as they certainly looked hesitant in the final third on Tuesday.  As I said earlier, I would be happy with a point, mainly because of where our form and confidence is and would avoid Weymouth extending that gap between us.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: dillydilly on October 30, 2021, 11:06:12 AM
Hi TonyM.  I think you have slightly misunderstood my point. I certainly wouldnít expect a team full of defenders to keep clean sheets.  My point all along has been that that sort of line-up would see any team under pressure for the vast majority of the 90 minutes, with the strong likelihood that the opponents would score at some time, resigning us to yet another defeat.  It is almost inevitable, in my book.  We must spend more time attacking them than our defence-heavy line-ups allow, because when we are, theyíre not attacking us !  But it must be attacking players, midfield and forwards, who do the attacking, to make easier, usually on the ground chances, not defenders hoping for crosse.  IMHO !!!  COYLÖ.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Realist on October 30, 2021, 12:24:52 PM
3-0 Home, Lynn like last year just plugging gaps with regular new signings, and again no time to gel as a unit and no evidence of a settled side/squad since the start of the pandemic. This is with a Manager now struggling at the highest level he has held  that position, like players managers can only go so far. Hopefully I am wrong with the score line ...Good Luck Lynn
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: TonyM on October 30, 2021, 12:51:01 PM
Dilly, fair enough and we all have our preference for how we would like to see the game played.  I personally think Lynn (at least under IC) play better when we have good possession stats ie stopping the opposition having the ball but that isn't necessarily 'attacking' as we have proved this season.  I would also say that during the promotion campaigns we moved the ball well to create chances far more than opportunities coming from great individual skill by a player, unfortunately we haven't been able to make that step up since we moved up to the NL where we have looked slow (of thought as much as body) and the movement of our forward players hasn't been good enough to make an impact against much better defenders. 

So, the dilemma for IC is does he abandon his preferred style or can he make mid season adjustments to the squad to find players who can make his system work at NL level?  My choice would be to try and find a couple of new faces (even if on loan) as I am not sure there is an alternative system that would suit much of the existing squad but that does mean we probably need to offload some of those that don't look like they are good fits - Morias, Gyasi and Linton would be high on that list for me but whether that would free up enough budget for suitable addition(s) is another question
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: KES80 on October 30, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
Yes, I agree Tony..... don't think we can make wholesale changes now and the squad is set up to be 3 centre halves  much of the time with a covering defensive midfielder, so only option is to look for someone with a quicker pair of  feet and brain up front. I see Omotayo as improving and being more comfortable in the set up and more of a team player, whereas so far Morias seems explosive in more ways than one but doesn't seem to be gelling with those around him.......maybe more game time will prove me wrong.

I would keep Gyasi, hoping he will develop over the season, but agree with Linton and Morias....unless one of them scores a hat trick today !!
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: KES80 on October 30, 2021, 05:03:41 PM
That surely has to be the signal for massive change. Lynn's forward line is just inadequate for this league and the squad as a whole must be stripped of confidence.

It is clear that with the current squad, the current management can't find a way to win at this level.

I get the impression that the likes of Weymouth and Wealdstone are little better, but they find a way to win the important ones.

Over to SC.....big decisions to make now.........find the money for some forwards and/or change the management ........there is already a mountain to climb and we need some input from people who know how to win at this level, be they players or managers.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Mallard on October 30, 2021, 05:12:50 PM
SC is the man ( on his own) in the hot seat.  Big decisions to be made.  Aldershot win or draw at Barnet tonight and we are in the relegation zone.

IC hasnít given an interview lately.  Will that change after today.  Will the Chairman stick with the Manager ?  Will the Manager stick by the players he has brought in and system he is playing ?

Walsall at home Saturday.   Itís a big week ahead in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: KES80 on October 30, 2021, 05:17:00 PM
One thing's for sure, something needs to change and very quickly......
at the moment the club seems to be sleepwalking towards something very unpleasant
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 30, 2021, 05:28:20 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/sport/ten-man-linnets-slip-into-bottom-three-after-weymouth-loss-9223358/
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: poshlinnet on October 30, 2021, 05:35:53 PM
One thing's for sure, something needs to change and very quickly......

I like the style of play, football from one end to the other. The defence are better than last season, keeper is doing very well, midfield are nearly there. They seem to have weight of the game on their shoulders as there is no attacking options. No one running for through balls, no one moving for space. Granted I listened to todays game on the radio ( :worship: :worship: :worship: to all the Lynn fans who travelled today, what a bunch  :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :worship: :worship: :worship:) but I only remember hearing Omatayo mentioned once during play. IMHO thatís what needs to change, whether itís reading the forward line the riot act next week or getting new players in, I donít care. We must score goals to lift the pressure.
SC has shaken up the catering, burgers and chips were good last game. Hopefully the bar will follow suit. He can change things, fingers crossed IC will be given the thumbs up to add some firepower next week.
COYL  :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 30, 2021, 05:38:30 PM
Over to SC.....big decisions to make now.........find the money for some forwards and/or change the management ........there is already a mountain to climb and we need some input from people who know how to win at this level, be they players or managers.

The other option is for him to do nothing. Everyone knows what the situation is with the Squad and up to now SC has not really come up with the goods this season.

I'm sure that at any other Club (rightly or wrongly), the Manager's neck would be on the chopping block. At Lynn it may be different.  :dontknow:

Would Cleeve be afraid of the backlash that would follow a Culverhouse sacking?

He has said before that he had very few people at the Club watching his back. I would think that's now down from very few to either one or none.

So, no friends at the Club to fall back on at a very tough time.
No money to solve the problems, and lets be honest, that's the only thing that will solve it.
Paying supporters in decline.

Surely the last thing he would want at the moment is the problems that sacking a manager would bring.    :dontknow:

Now, if IC was to say he's had enough.................................
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Ytsejam on October 30, 2021, 05:44:17 PM
Very sadly this season is going EXACTLY like I predicted it would, when so many, both at the club and amongst the fans, were hoping for and expecting a mid table finish, at the worst! Sound like a stuck record but like I said weeks ago now, we aint going to win enough matches to stay up with the very poor, freebie, non league journeymen we have as our uhum, "strike force"!!

As others have said, its NOW time to **** or get off the pot for SC and arguably IC too. The club has got to spend some money on a striker, even if that means PAYING a league club the full wages for just a loan of a good striker (who isnt quite good enough for them right now but whom they don't want to leave).

I know that's far easier said than done BUT unless it happens, then Lynn WILL get relegated and where will that leave those contracted "full time players" next season or indeed the future of the club?!
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Mallard on October 30, 2021, 05:50:41 PM
The worry is if Cleeve got rid oglf IC, or indeed if he walked could the Chairman be trusted not to make matters worse with his replacement.    Who will forget Simon Clarkís time at the Club.  Ended up with the Chairman going cap in hand to get IC back.

To me itís simple.   The Chairman either finds the money to bring in a couple of decent Step one strikers or we slip back to step 2 and all that comes with that.  Including that massive debt he has saddled the Club with.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: KES80 on October 30, 2021, 05:53:43 PM
This current squad would struggle! at Step 2 also....if you can't score you are in big trouble.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Blueboy on October 30, 2021, 06:08:11 PM
I think the buck has to stop at the door of the manager/director of football.  As far as we are all aware they have had free reign to sign who they wanted.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: dillydilly on October 30, 2021, 06:16:03 PM
Rightly or wrongly, if we had the team that won the NL, and we almost could with all the changes, I believe that our current team would have lost to them as well.  Weíve spent too long picking teams designed to stymie the opposition, not beat them.  Not that we lack the desire to win, we just donít have the shape or personnel to do it.  I blame neither IC nor SC for that, because itís all about money.  No doubt between them they could field a winning team, but our background structure has always been amateur, and that is not an insult to those stalwarts who have worked hard over the years.  I can only offer a description of the problem, not a solution, but neither can the management at the club.  Maybe Walsall can see a change in optimismÖ
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Bornandbred on October 30, 2021, 06:29:54 PM
Totally truthfully, carrying on in this manner with no serious forward threat we will just be around Dover 🤔. Didn't quite get 1_0 down and we replace with a defender? 
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Mallard on October 30, 2021, 06:33:52 PM
So are you saying Dilly we canít afford to play at this level ?  If so then why did we borrow a whopping £500k in an attempt to do that very same thing.  Whose door would lay the blame for that one ?
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 30, 2021, 06:46:04 PM
I think the buck has to stop at the door of the manager/director of football.  As far as we are all aware they have had free reign to sign who they wanted.

Not according to Westlandstars post of yesterday.

According to that post, IC had given SC a list of 5 players he wanted (I guess that meant one or two of the 5), but Cleeve wouldn't go with it.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: happymondays on October 30, 2021, 06:51:22 PM
Mallard make your mind up which side you are on and stop playing at being Piers Morgan and the devil's advocate rolled into one .
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: gs50 on October 30, 2021, 06:51:31 PM
I think that post implied that the players already signed were not good enough who I would assume were signed by IC/RB..
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 30, 2021, 06:58:37 PM
Rightly or wrongly, if we had the team that won the NL, and we almost could with all the changes, I believe that our current team would have lost to them as well.  Weíve spent too long picking teams designed to stymie the opposition, not beat them.  Not that we lack the desire to win, we just donít have the shape or personnel to do it.  I blame neither IC nor SC for that, because itís all about money.  No doubt between them they could field a winning team, but our background structure has always been amateur, and that is not an insult to those stalwarts who have worked hard over the years.  I can only offer a description of the problem, not a solution, but neither can the management at the club.  Maybe Walsall can see a change in optimismÖ

If that season had not ended early and the title had not been decided on a PPG basis, would we have really have won the title? The form we were in when football came to a halt, we would have been lucky to still get a play off position.

Then there was last season non event.

We've been living on borrowed time for a while now.

Yes, the game has always been about money, but that was the model Cleeve brought to the Club. As soon as it stopped being pumped in and there was no more to spend, reality bites. And it bites hard! He wanted to take us to league football. I guess he had a plan in place to fund that, and hopefully it was more than just expecting the gates to increase substantially as the Club climbed the leagues, as that was never going to happen in sufficient amounts.

If he did have a plan (and hopefully he did), and league football is not beckoning at the moment, then why not use the funds that were going to be used for that to save us from relegation this season? Why has the model of spending more than your opposition suddenly changed, without putting something different in place?

As we know, sadly, Clubs that follow this model usually end up finding out the errors of their ways hard way.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 30, 2021, 06:59:02 PM
Mallard make your mind up which side you are on and stop playing at being Piers Morgan and the devil's advocate rolled into one .
   :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Mallard on October 30, 2021, 07:15:23 PM
Mallard make your mind up which side you are on and stop playing at being Piers Morgan and the devil's advocate rolled into one .

Sides ?  Who gets first pick ? Things have to be balanced.   SC has done a lot of good for the Club but for balance he has made some right cock ups as well.   IC, fantastic to take a club like us to the top League in Non League football.  This season not so great and I can see why the fans are worried. 

Like you and of course me, we ainít perfect.  We get some things right and also we get things wrong as well.

Letís praise people when they deserve it but also express our disappointment when things go wrong

Fair enough ? 
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: happymondays on October 30, 2021, 07:24:00 PM
The club is being run into the ground mate ...loaded with debt from a failed entrepreneur and continually being loaded with debt from a failed entrepreneur.Call a spade a spade I pay my £23 every home game and can see the financial ins and outs column and the outs have it lol.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Mallard on October 30, 2021, 08:29:50 PM
Here you go Happy.  The Chairman has spoken.

Stephen Cleeve
@StephenCleeve

6m
Huge thanks to our travelling support who certainly made themselves heard today - understand some of the frustrations and as fans who spend a lot of money and time following the team it is your right. We are all on the same side and I personally will do what I can to fix things
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: happymondays on October 30, 2021, 08:41:57 PM
Wow there must be another 500k up for grabs
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on October 30, 2021, 08:55:51 PM
Here you go Happy.  The Chairman has spoken.

Stephen Cleeve
@StephenCleeve

6m
Huge thanks to our travelling support who certainly made themselves heard today - understand some of the frustrations and as fans who spend a lot of money and time following the team it is your right. We are all on the same side and I personally will do what I can to fix things

I wonder what they were chanting today.   :dontknow:

If Cleeve is not going to bring in the players that Culverhouse wants, what else is there that he can do to "fix things"? The mind boggles on that one!

Is it true there was an argument on the pitch between the two today? Also heard that words were exchanged between Culverhouse and fans, and Morias and fans.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: gs50 on October 30, 2021, 08:58:59 PM
Just read a comment elsewhere Junior had argument  with fans.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Mallard on October 30, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
Maybe people need to read between the lines on SCís Twitter post. 
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Walks In The Sunshine on October 30, 2021, 10:15:43 PM
Just read a comment elsewhere Junior had argument  with fans.

I read that too - also agreed with the response that it's a shame Morias didn't show as much effort on the pitch!!

This Walsall game, IMO, has come at the right time as it is a "free hit" (often the words used by IC.)

Nobody really expects us to win against league opposition - yes we hope we will - but the pressure is all on Walsall.

I agree with posts on here stating that at other clubs IC's neck may be on the line after such a poor start, but I think we should stick with him for the forseeable future.
 This may be controversial, but do we need to look at Backie / Bastock??
 Are these the calibre of assistant / director of football we need at this level??

Both are good lads, but could we question their pedigree??

Roll on Saturday (hopefully with IC still in charge)
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: Blueboy on October 30, 2021, 10:41:01 PM
Can't think for 1 minute that the players signed aren't who the manager wanted. Don't think he would stay if he didn't get his own way. I think his silence after games speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Weymuff away
Post by: little John on October 30, 2021, 11:17:58 PM
We were chanting "You're nothing special, we lose every week"
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