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Title: Time for a change?
Post by: Anton on November 13, 2021, 05:22:40 PM
Hi guys,
I don't say a lot on here but as a Linnets fan of over 40 years its time I made another comment. IC has up to now done a fantastic job to get where we are today. However at this moment in time have we reached our goal, No..It's looking pretty bleak at the moment and I can't see anything changing in the next few weeks or months and we haven't got time to stay as we are. Something has got to change. Is IC out of his depth and can't take us any further? The gates tell the story really look at todays numbers. We had more a couple of years ago and in a lower Div..Don't know what else to say, a couple of strikers better defenders or the way we play..Thought guys.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Realist on November 13, 2021, 05:29:12 PM
Yes for certain.....The similarities to the recent Norwich situation are obvious..much admired manager who let players go and re-built a new team without large funding. The results are the same, neither has managed the impossible and things need to change. Norwich have taken the plunge, in the hope that different structure may keep their status alive. Lynn are different and for sure, looking at the low attendance today in fair weather conditions, are in an awful place on and off the pitch. If the manager is still in place for the next match, it will indicate that Mr Cleeve has abandoned his dream of taking this little club to the football League and Lynn have found there absolute max in the football world without to much of a crash...Safely drop to the level below or the next one, but still have a club. Hopefully no trouble, it did not seem to be.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Mallard on November 13, 2021, 05:32:56 PM
For me, the problem lies further up the food chain than with the Manager.   

Maybe KL as a NL club just doesnít work on so many levels.  Certainly not under the current single person ownership.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Realist on November 13, 2021, 05:37:28 PM
Dear Mallard, The Manager optimistically built this side...he certainly cannot take the flack for the off field stuff , but on the field there is no one else...
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Anton on November 13, 2021, 05:49:10 PM
Thanks for the reply Mallard. I understand the single person ownership.  However if it was owned by a group of investors, not that they would see a return on there investment (unlikely) How could this be a step forward! Not many football clubs make money so it has to be a challenge to say I've done it. Who would put in £100,000s of money just to say we gor their. Not many. Wish I knew someone who was like the Man city owners.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 13, 2021, 05:50:55 PM
For me, the problem lies further up the food chain than with the Manager.   

Maybe KL as a NL club just doesnít work on so many levels.  Certainly not under the current single person ownership.

The managers usually take the fall, even if the problems are further up the food chain.

The supporters were madly in love with IC at steps 2 and 3. Not so much at step 1. The question I would ask is if we as supporters have expected too much of IC, probably due to the Chairman's mention of football league.

My belief is that we probably have an excellent step 2 manager, with a good set of step 2 players, and a step 3 Club infrastructure. IF others believe that's anywhere near correct, I don't think we should really be surprised at where we stand at the moment.

Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: AXV on November 13, 2021, 06:04:49 PM
It just seems to echo Norwich's situation. Of course I'm not qualified to say so, but I'd suggest a more pragmatic approach. Sit deeper, 442, lump it up to Omatayo and 'Inshallah! ' at this point :coffee:
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: KES80 on November 13, 2021, 06:06:14 PM
Agreed and I think the only way Lynn could hobble around in the bottom half of the NL for a few seasons while things caught up, is if they had amazing contacts further up the pyramid which were as good as or better than their  rivals and its my belief that neither SC nor IC do have......
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Mallard on November 13, 2021, 06:07:51 PM
Yes for certain.....The similarities to the recent Norwich situation are obvious..much admired manager who let players go and re-built a new team without large funding. The results are the same, neither has managed the impossible and things need to change. Norwich have taken the plunge, in the hope that different structure may keep their status alive. Lynn are different and for sure, looking at the low attendance today in fair weather conditions, are in an awful place on and off the pitch. If the manager is still in place for the next match, it will indicate that Mr Cleeve has abandoned his dream of taking this little club to the football League and Lynn have found there absolute max in the football world without to much of a crash...Safely drop to the level below or the next one, but still have a club. Hopefully no trouble, it did not seem to be.

Do you think the Chairman would still have the fight in him to carry on having had to admit his dream of EFL is over and he failed at NL level.   

He has pumped in circa £500k to reach this far plus loaded the Club up with a debt of the same amount.   The fans arenít backing him and an average season NLN will see no increase ( maybe the opposite).  So will he prepared to prop the club up for the foreseeable future ?
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Realist on November 13, 2021, 06:10:56 PM
Yes for certain.....The similarities to the recent Norwich situation are obvious..much admired manager who let players go and re-built a new team without large funding. The results are the same, neither has managed the impossible and things need to change. Norwich have taken the plunge, in the hope that different structure may keep their status alive. Lynn are different and for sure, looking at the low attendance today in fair weather conditions, are in an awful place on and off the pitch. If the manager is still in place for the next match, it will indicate that Mr Cleeve has abandoned his dream of taking this little club to the football League and Lynn have found there absolute max in the football world without to much of a crash...Safely drop to the level below or the next one, but still have a club. Hopefully no trouble, it did not seem to be.

Do you think the Chairman would still have the fight in him to carry on having had to admit his dream of EFL is over and he failed at NL level.   

He has pumped in circa £500k to reach this far plus loaded the Club up with a debt of the same amount.   The fans arenít backing him and an average season NLN will see no increase ( maybe the opposite).  So will he prepared to prop the club up for the foreseeable future ?
Mallard I think not, so slipping down to where we belong is the best option...some nice cup runs and happy memories like the old days!!!
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Mallard on November 13, 2021, 06:11:20 PM
Dear Mallard, The Manager optimistically built this side...he certainly cannot take the flack for the off field stuff , but on the field there is no one else...

Surely the lack of off field activity is reflected on the pitch.  For example only being able to field two subs at Torquay.  Itís obvious that yet again the relationship between the Chairman and the Manager has fallen apart.   In fairness the Chairman seems to struggle with a good few people at the Club in this regard.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Realist on November 13, 2021, 06:17:52 PM
Yes Mallard not that I totally agree as we only speculate here , but the Chairman will not be moving on quick...so the only thing that can change quickly is the "fall guy" and yes history tells us a manger change often gets 3 points...
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Sam Spade on November 13, 2021, 06:36:57 PM
Dear Mallard, The Manager optimistically built this side...he certainly cannot take the flack for the off field stuff , but on the field there is no one else...

Does anyone really believe that the Manager has been able to build this side without total interference and even hindrance from the Owner?
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Mallard on November 13, 2021, 06:53:07 PM
Sam as you probably know, IC is hardly unique in that respect at the Club
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 13, 2021, 06:53:41 PM

Does anyone really believe that the Manager has been able to build this side without total interference and even hindrance from the Owner?

Terrace talk tells us that the Chairman had been involved with building the side more than the Manager would like, but I suppose only those who are, or have until recently been, involved with the running of the Club will know the truth.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Ytsejam on November 13, 2021, 06:54:23 PM

Do you think the Chairman would still have the fight in him to carry on having had to admit his dream of EFL is over and he failed at NL level.   

He has pumped in circa £500k to reach this far plus loaded the Club up with a debt of the same amount.   The fans arenít backing him and an average season NLN will see no increase ( maybe the opposite).  So will he prepared to prop the club up for the foreseeable future ?

I certainly dont and the likelihood of anyone wanting to take on a NLN club next season, with several players on the second year of a professional full time contract and with debts as horrendous as they are reported to be, is pretty poor I'd have thought.....Which sadly only really leaves one alternative at the end of this season!!......BANG!!
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Realist on November 13, 2021, 06:56:19 PM
Yes I think IC  on the return from Grantham, let SC know this was the case, and if SC had influenced this current team IC would have again left the club using this as the reason...
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Mallard on November 13, 2021, 07:00:17 PM
Oh yes B&G. There are few who have stood their ground and others who have nailed their colours firmly to the mast. 
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: happymondays on November 13, 2021, 07:01:44 PM
BURY F.C.................
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on November 13, 2021, 07:02:12 PM
I have not posted a lot of late, but feel I need to have a little input into this debate. I have not been attending matches this season for reasons I have stated earlier in the season, but I still watch and follow the LINNETS from a distance . I can not get the whole picture of affairs happening at KLTFC by not attending but, I sure do feel we as a squad are not up to the required level for National league football, the infrastructure at KLTFC is not at the required level, the corporate/sponsorship level is way below where it needs to be to fund a squad at National league. Finally the Management are probably 1 step above there level . Ian ,Paul and Robbie, have done a sterling job getting us where we are, probably quicker than anticipated and on a limited budget. However, the chairman has backed them as much as possible, yes Mr.C. has made mistakes and lots of them but he has tried to sort the pitch, fund full time professionals, sort out training facilities, find and pay for housing  and he is beginning to listen and act on some peoples gripeís.
 I firmly believe that the manager and his team knew the budget at the beginning of the season based on a certain attendance level, we have been losing week in week out on the park and the floating support has deserted the cause, therefore less money to spend. I believe it could well be time for a change , Ian, Paul  and Robbie have done good work but I donít think the contacts are working at this level.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: happymondays on November 13, 2021, 07:05:44 PM
I wonder if S.C could actually afford £23  to sit at a Lynn game...I mean does he have a job.Asking for a friend ???
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 13, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
................Asking for a friend ???

Is he the same one that's sorting out the on line application form? 
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Bluboy on November 13, 2021, 07:10:47 PM
Heart says no
Head says change
He took the blame to say change of style is needed ,  perhaps why hasnít this happened Earlier in season Ö yes punished for mistakes but I feel weíre so negative going forward no urgency as we have to build from the back which is ok if you have the players comfortable enough to do so .. Bromley Stockport then a massive gave v aldershot Ö how long do we give him if thatís how we feel
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: happymondays on November 13, 2021, 07:16:30 PM
Clunan still works as well as playing (radio Norfolk).Fair play to him but it does pose the Question....How full time is full time football ?
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 13, 2021, 07:42:54 PM
Clunan still works as well as playing (radio Norfolk).Fair play to him but it does pose the Question....How full time is full time football ?

If that's the case, why didn't we hold onto Gash?
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Mallard on November 13, 2021, 07:53:52 PM
How much game time is Gash getting at step 3 ?
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 13, 2021, 08:19:35 PM
Is Aaron Jones full time?

A Director of a substantial family business which I was told previously he was very much involved with.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: KES80 on November 13, 2021, 08:53:29 PM
Do we have any MP's playing for us ?  :scarf: :laughcry: :laughcry:
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: gs50 on November 13, 2021, 09:04:13 PM
Definitely yes bring back Pedro.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Walks In The Sunshine on November 14, 2021, 12:15:38 AM
The problem with football, as a supporter, is we all get involved emotionally.

Take the emotion away and deal with facts.

Culverhouse as a manager warrants more time - assuming he wants to stay

I have previously questioned the credentials of IC's team - Bastock seems a bit of a character, but how good is he, really??

Also Backie - now I know Backie is held in high esteem amongst fans and I'm sure there are probably people on here who know him personally, but.......how qualified / good is he to be a Director Of Football??
Who would be his contacts within the game??
How respected within the world of football is he??

To me, it's the players who aren't quite up to it and possibly the backroom staff - it isn't Ian Culverhouse.

I know IC should be judged over the course of a season, but there is no way he can be blamed for the daft decisions on the pitch and the mistakes on the pitch today
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Bluboy on November 14, 2021, 12:26:10 AM
Definitely yes bring back Pedro.
Suppose defty and Beaumont too
Move on Ped wasnít bomb proof
Jones is a decent keeper and at fault for one off theirs , some good saves 1st half  team in front let him down today
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Ytsejam on November 14, 2021, 09:37:08 AM
The problem with football, as a supporter, is we all get involved emotionally.

Take the emotion away and deal with facts.

Culverhouse as a manager warrants more time - assuming he wants to stay

I have previously questioned the credentials of IC's team - Bastock seems a bit of a character, but how good is he, really??

Also Backie - now I know Backie is held in high esteem amongst fans and I'm sure there are probably people on here who know him personally, but.......how qualified / good is he to be a Director Of Football??
Who would be his contacts within the game??
How respected within the world of football is he??

To me, it's the players who aren't quite up to it and possibly the backroom staff - it isn't Ian Culverhouse.

I know IC should be judged over the course of a season, but there is no way he can be blamed for the daft decisions on the pitch and the mistakes on the pitch today

Good post. I.m.o. a lot of the players are not good enough, whether thatís down to ICís mistakes in wanting them or they are the best we could get with the money available?. And as far as your comments about the credentials and quality of his back up teamÖthen I think thatís a very relevant question to be asking!!Ö.as likeable and ďlocalĒ as they are, questions really have to be asked whether they have the experience or contacts at this level of PROFESSIONAL football to be up to the job.
I.m.o. the only chance for Lynn to survive both on and off the pitch this season is to bring in at least three better players and for IC to have some stronger back up, off the pitch. Now, both those things will involve more money and also whether IC would be happy to carry on if his assistants were replaced, are both HUGE ďIFíSĒ but without those things happening itís as sure as next month is December that Lynn will get relegated and almost as sure too  that there will be a nasty ďexplosionĒ come the end of the season too, OFF the pitch :(
Sad times when really it should have been great times with the club at the highest level itís ever been, but it really looks like itís one level too high for any kind of sustainability.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: KES80 on November 14, 2021, 09:49:28 AM
Even after Wrexham, people seem in denial....not a true reflection, small margins etc.

Let's look at the table and the record at The Walks this season and be completely honest.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 14, 2021, 10:12:22 AM
The problem with football, as a supporter, is we all get involved emotionally.

Take the emotion away and deal with facts.

Culverhouse as a manager warrants more time - assuming he wants to stay

I have previously questioned the credentials of IC's team - Bastock seems a bit of a character, but how good is he, really??

Also Backie - now I know Backie is held in high esteem amongst fans and I'm sure there are probably people on here who know him personally, but.......how qualified / good is he to be a Director Of Football??
Who would be his contacts within the game??
How respected within the world of football is he??

To me, it's the players who aren't quite up to it and possibly the backroom staff - it isn't Ian Culverhouse.

I know IC should be judged over the course of a season, but there is no way he can be blamed for the daft decisions on the pitch and the mistakes on the pitch today

Good post. I.m.o. a lot of the players are not good enough, whether thatís down to ICís mistakes in wanting them or they are the best we could get with the money available?. And as far as your comments about the credentials and quality of his back up teamÖthen I think thatís a very relevant question to be asking!!Ö.as likeable and ďlocalĒ as they are, questions really have to be asked whether they have the experience or contacts at this level of PROFESSIONAL football to be up to the job.
I.m.o. the only chance for Lynn to survive both on and off the pitch this season is to bring in at least three better players and for IC to have some stronger back up, off the pitch. Now, both those things will involve more money and also whether IC would be happy to carry on if his assistants were replaced, are both HUGE ďIFíSĒ but without those things happening itís as sure as next month is December that Lynn will get relegated and almost as sure too  that there will be a nasty ďexplosionĒ come the end of the season too, OFF the pitch :(
Sad times when really it should have been great times with the club at the highest level itís ever been, but it really looks like itís one level too high for any kind of sustainability.

Very good post and response, irespective of people agreeing with all, part or none of it. Good discussion points.

The Club as a whole appears to be struggling at this level. Who knows, if last season and the season before had not been effected as they were, these shortcomings may well have become evident before now.

Neither of the posts mention the Chairman. If the people already mentioned are, shall we say, punching above their weight, can the same be said about him? After all, he ultimately  makes all the appointments for every position at the Club.

Should the question not be if we can rectify these issues for this season, but can they be rectified at all with how things appear to done at the Club?  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: KES80 on November 14, 2021, 10:59:28 AM
Yes good points. Not sure I agree with the stance taken in the post, myself. I have to confess I am on the fence re IC at the moment. Fantastic achievements at step 3 and step 2. Really struggled last season to get "his style" to work at this level, lost his mojo for a while, changed the style........had a chat with an experienced head at this level and decided to go back to and stick with his philosophy going forward. Had half a season as a "gimme" to assess the other sides and determine what we needed for this season. Apparently wanted to go full time to get the right calibre of player in. Has almost managed it with the defence although the side could do with 3 experienced guys down the backbone of the side...ch, cm,cf for the side to really hold together and be effective.
Recruitment of the strikers has come up very short. Still playing his open style, 14 games in, with only 8 points on the board. Personally feel we need to play a little bit tighter and "play" when we are in the opponent's half, but be a little more direct in our own half....not advocating hoof ball, but so many goals given away by sloppy passes in our own half.........this season isn't really about trying to out play anybody, it's about getting enough points on the board...... Weymouth and Wealdstone et al, seem to be digging in and are just about doing enough.

Is IC willing to modify the style and has he the confidence in his own abilities and the required nous to get the better of the opposing coach at this level ? If he were to go, who on earth could be found to take this on and make it better ? Can we honestly say we look more likely to win a game now, than we did at the start of the season ? I just feel, if little changes, say just one new forward , in the next 6 games, we will be no better than played 20 points 12 and we will effectively be already relegated.
Should that happen, then I think given the finances and the fact that NLN is such a slog, given Lynn's geographical situation, I can see the whole thing imploding

 
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2021, 11:11:35 AM
A lot of sense from KES there.  Playing the blame game is all well and good.  Results are what they are this season.  IC is not a bad Manager, but he needs to be given the tools to work with.   Is the Chairman a good owner ?  Has he given IC the tools to do the job ?

If the relationship between Manager and Chairman is fractured beyond repair then who is going to break cover first ?   SC to get rid of IC will cost the Club in terms of paying up his contract.  ( remember Simon Clark had to be paid off).  If IC stays how much of his heart will be there to do the job?

The things is a mess.  Who is going to break cover first.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: KES80 on November 14, 2021, 11:14:19 AM
Re SC , B & G, it's his dream that has got Lynn this far......it seems unlikely that there will be large scale changes in the running of the club or any devolution of power. It either works this season with the current set up or it doesn't..... that's how I think it will pan out.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 14, 2021, 11:20:23 AM
Re SC , B & G, it's his dream that has got Lynn this far......it seems unlikely that there will be large scale changes in the running of the club or any devolution of power. It either works this season with the current set up or it doesn't..... that's how I think it will pan out.

Hi Kes. I totally agree with what you are saying there, but that didn't really answer the question.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: KES80 on November 14, 2021, 11:36:40 AM
Re SC , B & G, it's his dream that has got Lynn this far......it seems unlikely that there will be large scale changes in the running of the club or any devolution of power. It either works this season with the current set up or it doesn't..... that's how I think it will pan out.

Hi Kes. I totally agree with what you are saying there, but that didn't really answer the question.



If and it's a huge if, a way can be found to finish the season out of the bottom 3, then the question won't be addressed, it will just be kicked down the road. My view in direct answer to your question : No
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Non League on November 14, 2021, 12:25:28 PM
Think you have to sack Culverhouse, and get someone else in if you want to compete at this level. Some of the signings this season, suggest Cleeve wants to be at this level, so he now needs to bite the bullet and fork out the compensation.

Said it last season, for the quality that's been returned for money spent, club should've kept the side that got up and only added 3-4 players.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2021, 12:33:06 PM
So we have a £500k loan that will be spent on competing the League last season and trying to keep in it this season.   What happens next season ?  No loan money, gates falling, no commercial activity of any significance.  So where does the money come to run with next season ?  Stephen Cleeve gonna dig deep and fund it ?
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Mallard on November 14, 2021, 12:38:24 PM
Think you have to sack Culverhouse, and get someone else in if you want to compete at this level. Some of the signings this season, suggest Cleeve wants to be at this level, so he now needs to bite the bullet and fork out the compensation.

Said it last season, for the quality that's been returned for money spent, club should've kept the side that got up and only added 3-4 players.

Ok so we sack Culverhouse.  Then what ?  IC left last time and look what the Chairman brought to the club.  Hardly inspiring was it.  Luckily. Back and Fryatt steadied the ship and Back had the foresight to broker a deal to bring IC back.

Just sometimes we need to careful what we wish for.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: happymondays on November 14, 2021, 12:58:28 PM
If I were S.C I would leave twitter alone...he has been absolutely demolished by fans ...Wrexham and Lynn not good reading.He is getting quite a reputation.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: rod on November 14, 2021, 01:44:02 PM
Think you have to sack Culverhouse, and get someone else in if you want to compete at this level. Some of the signings this season, suggest Cleeve wants to be at this level, so he now needs to bite the bullet and fork out the compensation.

Said it last season, for the quality that's been returned for money spent, club should've kept the side that got up and only added 3-4 players.

Ok so we sack Culverhouse.  Then what ?  IC left last time and look what the Chairman brought to the club.  Hardly inspiring was it.  Luckily. Back and Fryatt steadied the ship and Back had the foresight to broker a deal to bring IC back.

Just sometimes we need to careful what we wish for.

That is the reality. Are we certain that there are quality coaches / managers out there viewing the current set up as an attractive proposition and career advancement....I think that to be highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Bluboy on November 14, 2021, 02:29:58 PM
So which players are we saying isnít good enough in the team ???
Definitely front line I see as a problem yes gold n lints played well but IMO neither consistent or going to get us 15/20 goals this season which we will need if our collapse yesterday by the defence is a sign  Ö yet only fortnight ago thereís posts saying how much better we are at the back Ö tbh thought Wrexham could of had a couple before we scored if it wasnít for Jones Ö now more worryingly more injuries
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: KES80 on November 14, 2021, 03:02:40 PM
I would say that Wrexham and Chesterfield have the strongest attacks in the league, when  all fit.
To have lost 2-4 to them , having lost a couple of key defenders, wouldn't have been a terrible result, if we weren't so lowly in the league. The two goals in added on time obviously exaggerated things.
However, to go from 1-1 to 1-4 so quickly is a massive cause for concern.

Football is of course all about opinions, but if we kept the players that are there and added 3

A central defender, a midfielder capable of breaking the line and a recognised goal scorer at this level, I think we would have a side capable of breaking into the top half over a full season and maybe just capable of avoiding relegation, if they joined in thenext 6 games.
All 3need to be really experienced....a few older heads are required....Lynn have such a young side.

Do we have the contacts or money to get the 3 in.in time...very doubtful
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Non League on November 14, 2021, 04:22:38 PM
Think you have to sack Culverhouse, and get someone else in if you want to compete at this level. Some of the signings this season, suggest Cleeve wants to be at this level, so he now needs to bite the bullet and fork out the compensation.

Said it last season, for the quality that's been returned for money spent, club should've kept the side that got up and only added 3-4 players.

Ok so we sack Culverhouse.  Then what ?  IC left last time and look what the Chairman brought to the club.  Hardly inspiring was it.  Luckily. Back and Fryatt steadied the ship and Back had the foresight to broker a deal to bring IC back.

Just sometimes we need to careful what we wish for.

Going down the Man Utd road, sticking with current situation because of being scared of previous times. It's clearly not working on the pitch, signs were there last season. Why persist just because the replacement last time was bad?
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 14, 2021, 04:34:22 PM
If I were S.C I would leave twitter alone...he has been absolutely demolished by fans ...Wrexham and Lynn not good reading.He is getting quite a reputation.

I don't think he is overly concerned about a reputation.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Anton on November 14, 2021, 07:24:48 PM
This has been a good debate! No easy answer and we all have our own views. I think we all agree something has to change to move forward.  Over the years I've always thought King's Lyyn should be in the main football League, maybe just a dream but other clubs have done it! At this time I'd settle for making ourselves known in this Div and staying here.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 14, 2021, 08:12:53 PM
At this time I'd settle for making ourselves known in this Div and staying here.

I would imagine most supporters would but that's looking very doubtful. A massive task even at the start of a season let alone being in the position we are now.

Even if we drop a level, you can't build a castle on sand. Step 2 could well be a struggle for us unless lots of things change.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Walks In The Sunshine on November 14, 2021, 11:34:34 PM
This is turning into a decent debate!!

Regarding the issue of Steve Cleeve being good enough for this level......it's a tricky one to answer

I've always compared Cleeve to Peter Swales, the ex Manchester City chairman (I'm a City fan, so I've experienced the "turmoil" of an unpopular chairman!!)

With Peter Swales, he became too "passionate", his obsession to become bigger than utd clouded his decision making and I think Cleeve's obsession with trying to achieve league football, often clouds his judgement of where we are as a club.

I also think the same with some fans' expectations - some thought we would "walk this tinpot league" - not the case, a realistic and successful season would be to finish fourth from bottom.

Another question here is "which players aren't good enough"
For me, they are all obviously "decent" players, but it's how they apply themselves and the desire they show (or not) to win.
As I've previously said, I'm not the biggest fan of Michael Clunan, but this season, he has applied himself superbly and has been one of the better players, the same with Ross Barrows, the same with Aaron Jones - there is a theme appearing here as these are the players who seem to have more of an "affinity" with the club.

I'm not saying the newer signings play to lose, but I question their desire, especially when they know they will pick up their contracted wages regardless of the result - I (we) want players who will go above and beyond in pursuit of 3 points - take Rory McCauly, I always thought he would run through a wall for the manager/thisclub/us fans/himself.........could the same be said for some of the newer players??

I started a thread on here a few weeks back, questioning what is actually done during the week in full time training.
The thread had many views, but no responses, but I ask the question again as it sometimes looks like these lot are strangers rather than a "close knit bunch" which is often the line thrown out after (another) defeat

So, IMHO and it is only an opinion, I think we should stick with IC for the forseeable especially as he has taken the blame for Saturday's defeat and said things will change, so he's worth continuing to have our trust
The chairman - needs to back IC 100%
The backroom staff - need to take a look at themselves.....and back IC 100%
The players - need to take a look at themselves and be willing to "die for the shirt"
Then we, as fans, who will still be here long after anyone else, will back all of the above........because as I said in my original post, football is an emotional sport and whether "we" like it or not, we're stuck with the club!!

It's the club we love

Sorry for the long post.

Finally and on a much lighter note, my other comparison between Peter Swales and Steven Cleeve........their haircuts!!
Shocking!!!!!!

Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Fairstead Man on November 15, 2021, 08:46:39 AM
Thank you for the post.  We moved to the area several months ago and my children play in the Kings Lynn junior teams and we've been to all but 1 home game.  Your post gives me a lot of background as to the state of the play.  As a complete new comer who doesn't know the Chairman or manager I'm not as emotionally involved as others but my take is this: the football philosophy of the manager (and maybe its that of the Chairman too) cannot be executed with the current players in the squad.  It would be like Pep Guardiola trying to implement his style on Burnley.  Your style of play needs to be built of the players you have.   If he wants to constantly play from the back he needs a new squad, if a new squad cannot be bought in he needs to change his style.  The team is trying to play like Man City whilst getting battered in the National League whilst in a relegation spot. It doesn't make sense.  We just can't keep putting the players under pressure at the back.  I think the team is good enough to beat relegation if tactics are adjusted to play to their strengths.  Obviously a new striker is needed  but outside of that the team can compete.  Morias wasn't anywhere near good enough so selling him isn't an excuse at all.   I guess my view is change the style of play or change the manager if we are sticking with this group of players.  Whatever happens my boys love coming to the games and we will continue to be there to support. 
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Ytsejam on November 15, 2021, 10:00:15 AM
Thank you for the post.  We moved to the area several months ago and my children play in the Kings Lynn junior teams and we've been to all but 1 home game.  Your post gives me a lot of background as to the state of the play.  As a complete new comer who doesn't know the Chairman or manager I'm not as emotionally involved as others but my take is this: the football philosophy of the manager (and maybe its that of the Chairman too) cannot be executed with the current players in the squad.  It would be like Pep Guardiola trying to implement his style on Burnley.  Your style of play needs to be built of the players you have.   If he wants to constantly play from the back he needs a new squad, if a new squad cannot be bought in he needs to change his style.  The team is trying to play like Man City whilst getting battered in the National League whilst in a relegation spot. It doesn't make sense.  We just can't keep putting the players under pressure at the back.  I think the team is good enough to beat relegation if tactics are adjusted to play to their strengths.  Obviously a new striker is needed  but outside of that the team can compete.  Morias wasn't anywhere near good enough so selling him isn't an excuse at all.   I guess my view is change the style of play or change the manager if we are sticking with this group of players.  Whatever happens my boys love coming to the games and we will continue to be there to support.

Good and sensible post young man and welcome to the Walks to you and your family.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Nigel1505 on November 15, 2021, 12:29:01 PM
Just a thought. With Dean Smith going to Norwich, any better chance of getting any fringe Norwich players to help us out for a,while. I dont know what his relationship is with Smith as opposed to Farke. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Mallard on November 15, 2021, 06:46:31 PM
Hopefully a positive day in the saga that is Kings Lynn FC.   

Stephen Cleeve and Ian Culverhouse met for a clear the air meeting.  Hopefully the meeting went well and they reached some kind of compromise where they can work together going forward.

Maybe SC could give the fans an update on how the meeting went ?
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: MARCUS ROSE on November 15, 2021, 09:12:38 PM
Hopefully a positive day in the saga that is Kings Lynn FC.   

Stephen Cleeve and Ian Culverhouse met for a clear the air meeting.  Hopefully the meeting went well and they reached some kind of compromise where they can work together going forward.

Maybe SC could give the fans an update on how the meeting went ?
 
New extractor fans for bar, going in next week.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: KES80 on November 15, 2021, 09:42:10 PM
Febreeze new shirt sponsors
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 16, 2021, 11:05:33 AM
Hopefully a positive day in the saga that is Kings Lynn FC.   

Stephen Cleeve and Ian Culverhouse met for a clear the air meeting.  Hopefully the meeting went well and they reached some kind of compromise where they can work together going forward.

Maybe SC could give the fans an update on how the meeting went ?

Just trawling through the internet and just came across this piece from DTFC. I thought it a bit topical so thought I would post it on here:


Allan Fenn
@FennAllan

15h
Our time had come to an abrupt end
@dtfootballclub
 & I'd like to thank almost everyone involved for all their support during our short spell there
Anyone looking for a new management team, with a sort of ok win ratio, then get in touch but please understand, we pick the team.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: KES80 on November 16, 2021, 01:25:06 PM
Once again, the silence is deafening.... be nice if news came direct from SC to the fans, when it's time.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on November 16, 2021, 01:45:11 PM
Once again, the silence is deafening.... be nice if news came direct from SC to the fans, when it's time.

Probably too busy on Twitter conversing with the Wrexham supporters.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: gs50 on November 16, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
What news are we waiting for.
Title: Re: Time for a change?
Post by: KES80 on November 16, 2021, 02:25:49 PM
What news are we waiting for.

Apparently the price of a sack of spuds may be going up
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