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Title: Tommy
Post by: Loopy,linnet on January 29, 2022, 05:20:59 PM
Clueless no better than culverhouse fans been screaming for a striker for months and months brought his son in 3/4 players a coach no striker results no better pack your bags Tommy youíre clueless we would be no worse off with Setch in charge
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Mallard on January 29, 2022, 06:55:02 PM
In fairness Loopy today we drew the first half and the gap to safety is still 14 points.

Like you I think SC has made another mistake in appointing a Manager.  This one looks another Simon Clark.

However no point in sacking him.  All that will do is give the Club another Managerís contract to pay up.  Any new guy coming in isnít going to rescue this mess.   Time to reduce costs and limp to the end of the season.  Hopefully giving SC time to reorganise things on and off the pitch and look to bring in some fresh investment.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Dazzarugby65 on January 29, 2022, 06:58:03 PM
 :farmer: :oldman" Fresh investment, who in their right mind would invest( throw away) money on the shower of sót we have assembled at our club over the last 18 months.  :oldman" :farmer:
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: rod on January 29, 2022, 07:07:29 PM
Anyone who considers investing in the current set up will have much more money than sense and in all probability have taken leave of their senses.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Mallard on January 29, 2022, 07:10:39 PM
Ok, investment wasnít the right term.   Someone with a few 100k on the hip they want rid of
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 29, 2022, 07:18:47 PM
You can end up with a small fortune if you buy a football club........



Over to you Mallard.

Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Mallard on January 29, 2022, 07:21:49 PM
But only if you start with a large fortune.

Surely there must be a few more Stephen Cleeves ( White Knights) around the corner ?
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 29, 2022, 07:38:00 PM
Jury still out on Tommy as far as Iím concerned. Silk purse and Sows ear comes to mind.

I think any Manager in Lynnís situation would find and buy a striker if he had the funds made available to him. Unless he Tommy is making repeated and obvious tactical errors, Iím prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

I think itís far more likely that the cause of the predicament we are in lies elsewhere, and we are seeing the results of mis-management from the previous couple of seasons. When the business model has appeared to be ďspend to winĒ, and you suddenly stop spending, where we are now is what you get.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: little John on January 29, 2022, 08:40:27 PM
No one is going to invest in this club with Cleeve's past record.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Grissles Oleary on January 29, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
It is not about investment it is about turning a bunch of losers into a bunch of winners? Should be starting with Barrett and Charles,Barretts obvious ability would compliment the speed of Charles,but we still need to bring in a proven goalscorer.26 goals across the season in all competitions is abysmal! :sinking:
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: AXV on January 30, 2022, 08:51:13 AM
It is not about investment it is about turning a bunch of losers into a bunch of winners? Should be starting with Barrett and Charles,Barretts obvious ability would compliment the speed of Charles,but we still need to bring in a proven goalscorer.26 goals across the season in all competitions is abysmal! :sinking:
It all seems too little too late now. If we had picked up just a single point since dover then dreaming of a miracle maybe, but since then the gap has just got even wider.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Anton on January 31, 2022, 12:54:41 PM
In general terms football is not a good investment.  Only a handful of teams in the Premier League make a profit. How you make any profit in the National leauge premier is just about impossable. In Lynns case breaking even would be a good result..
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on January 31, 2022, 01:23:08 PM
In general terms football is not a good investment.  Only a handful of teams in the Premier League make a profit. How you make any profit in the National leauge premier is just about impossable. In Lynns case breaking even would be a good result..

Lynn would almost certainly require a sizable boost to income to even maintain status as a step 2 Club.

If Commercial and other fund raising activities were performing as they should be, and as they have done previously when the likes of Gordon Chilvers was involved with the Management Committee, then its probably possible to operate at step 3 without financial doping.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: rod on January 31, 2022, 01:37:01 PM
The fact that Gordon is no longer involved speaks volumes?
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: westlynnmike on January 31, 2022, 04:25:55 PM
What this Club needs is less fans calling the team players s**t  :banghead;

Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Grissles Oleary on January 31, 2022, 05:19:31 PM
What this Club needs is less fans calling the team players s**t  :banghead;

The player5s need to prove to the fans that they are not s**t! :banghead; :banghead;
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Loopy,linnet on January 31, 2022, 06:08:41 PM
What this Club needs is less fans calling the team players s**t  :banghead;

The player5s need to prove to the fans that they are not s**t! :banghead; :banghead;
canít agree more grissles
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: NORFOLKAND LYNN on January 31, 2022, 11:40:02 PM
 :but they are ****, except for the captain, I went to Boreham on Sat and paid £15, why should I pay £21 and watch this bunch of failed academy players, just go to local youth leagues and get decent players, as a part time scout and watch lots of local teams like Fakenham and Dereham, where they have much better players... all we get players that have failed at the large cities academies.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 01, 2022, 09:20:12 AM
Bedford top of table crowd of over 1200 and strikers banging them in Who would ever thought it from SETCH
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 01, 2022, 09:22:48 AM
Bedford top of table crowd of over 1200 and strikers banging them in Who would ever thought it from SETCH

Must be time for a party!    :cheers:
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Mallard on February 01, 2022, 09:33:17 AM
Setch certainly getting a tune out of the players at Bedford.   Must be bang on for Promotion to step 3
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: rod on February 01, 2022, 10:15:51 AM
Would we could we be doing any worse if Setch were in charge? I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 01, 2022, 11:04:48 AM
I really do wonder if these days, success is nearly entirely due to the amount of money that a Manager has available for their respective leagues. Does a Managers ability now play second fiddle to the money they are allowed to spend?  :dontknow:

If Setch had stayed at Lynn and been given the same budget as Culverhouse, would we have still gained promotion?

Probably.   :dontknow:

I remember saying to Loopy at the time that although I had a lot of time for Setch, I thought it was probably time for both him and the Club to move on.

Didn't do Setch a lot of harm, did it?

 :scarf:
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: TonyM on February 01, 2022, 02:02:45 PM
I really do wonder if these days, success is nearly entirely due to the amount of money that a Manager has available for their respective leagues. Does a Managers ability now play second fiddle to the money they are allowed to spend?  :dontknow:

If Setch had stayed at Lynn and been given the same budget as Culverhouse, would we have still gained promotion?

Probably.   :dontknow:

I remember saying to Loopy at the time that although I had a lot of time for Setch, I thought it was probably time for both him and the Club to move on.

Didn't do Setch a lot of harm, did it?

 :scarf:

Much as money can be a factor, and financial doping has played more than it's part in seeing the reformed club move from UCL to NL over the past decade, it isn't always the whole story.  Good recruitment, good coaching and maybe an element of luck will all play their part - Sutton and Hartlepool were nowhere near the best funded clubs at NL last year and this year Wrexham's disproportionate wealth hasn't made them runaway leaders (yet)

Personally I find it hard to imagine Setch ever getting us out of step 3 no matter what resources were thrown his way but, like players, there will always be different opinions on the capabilities of managers.  Personally I see little benefit in calling for TW's head this season as he has taken on an almost impossible task given the players he inherited and seemingly little 'new money' to make meaningful changes.  That said his signings have been indifferent given his past history on the scouting side so, for me, the jury is still out if he is the best person for the job in 2022-23 at NLN level with a part-time squad.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Mallard on February 01, 2022, 04:03:49 PM
Spot on Tony.   At least if we had stuck with IC, he has a proven track record at Step 2.    Tommy ?  Who has any real idea what we have with him.  Media savvy doesnít bring success.

How ironic would it be if Kettering came through the play offs and waved to us as we go down?

Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: John H on February 01, 2022, 06:17:10 PM
Good post as always Tony. I was sorry to see IC go, I honk he has got better contacts than TW.  Bringing in his son from step 3 does make we wonder if he was just being a good dad and giving his son a helping hand. I may be wrong, but will see.
TW most definitely had his work cut out to keep us up, although I do believe he said he would, we only need to go up two places is what he said.
Real shame we didn't have forwards that could score, I feel that's what has cost us our NL status. Fact is though, we can't keep just moving up the leagues and being  at the top. There has to come a time when you reach your level and to be fair, we were fortunate to win the NLN. When the season was stopped, our form at the time was very poor.
The NL is a very good level and clubs need good support, the population of Lynn is quite low when compared to many other clubs in the NL.
If we go down and it looks likely we will, then we have to rebuild and get behind our team,. Prior to reforming, we didn't have a team to support,, as much as relegation is a bitter pill to swallow, it could always be worse.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Blueboy on February 01, 2022, 06:52:20 PM
The population of the area is more than enough to support a League club, Accrington is only 34,500 and  Morecambe approx 34000, they manage quite well, it's all down to how the club is run.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 01, 2022, 06:58:44 PM
The population of the area is more than enough to support a League club, Accrington is only 34,500 and  Morecambe approx 34000, they manage quite well, it's all down to how the club is run.

Kings Lynn also has a large catchment area.

The population and geographical location seems to come up as a problem when the Club is not doing too well, but not when its flying high.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: John H on February 01, 2022, 07:31:57 PM
Totally agree it's how the club is run. I don't think where we are geographically is a real issue, other than we are never sure where we will be placed if we were one level below.
York as a population nearly 5 times of Lynn, so that has to be more advantages. I think they had over 2,500 for a recent league game and they are not doing particularly well.
Our fan base is pretty good, but only when we're doing well, I guess that's like many teams though.
I don't post a lot on here, but read most stuff. A few seem angry that we are not performing well. We must keep TW and see what happens next season. This one isn't over just yet either
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Non League on February 01, 2022, 08:10:51 PM
The population of the area is more than enough to support a League club, Accrington is only 34,500 and  Morecambe approx 34000, they manage quite well, it's all down to how the club is run.

Probably can argue in terms of support, but the catchment area for supporting a club is always referred to in terms of players. Whilst Morecambe is small, it's like 45 minutes from Preston/Blackpool/Blackburn, solid catchment area for players (With Accrington having Bolton/Wigan/Bury/Rochdale all within close distance).

It's also worth noting that northern clubs in general are deep rooted in terms of strong support for clubs from previous generations. Round here, it's a lot more King's Lynn as a 2nd club.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Linnet on February 01, 2022, 08:26:47 PM
How about a player from Brandon? Just scored for Barnet tonight
Be nice to see him back at NLN level with us next year
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Loopy,linnet on February 02, 2022, 09:59:47 PM
Just took his son on professional contract bang average player at best
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 02, 2022, 10:30:38 PM
Just took his son on professional contract bang average player at best

Chairman would have to agreed it.   :dontknow:
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Mallard on February 03, 2022, 08:44:55 AM
Just shows that the Chairman has bought into Tommy, come what May.  Then again the Contract is only till June this year, so maybe not.

I wonder what the Ďplaní is, going forward,  once  Stephen accepts the inevitable? 
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 03, 2022, 10:30:04 AM
I wonder what the Ďplaní is, going forward,  once  Stephen accepts the inevitable?

If he's a Realist, I think he would have already accepted it.

With the departures, signings and the appointment of Tommy, my belief is that the 'plan' is already in operation.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Mallard on February 03, 2022, 10:35:15 AM
I think he is realist.   What does that actually look like for next season though?   Full time or part time ?   What is the ambition, to consolidate at step 2 or look to throw a load of cash at it in the hope of getting back up to step 1?   Off the field what will he do to set up a team that could help share the load and generate income.   

None of this will be a walk in the park.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: TonyM on February 03, 2022, 02:09:22 PM
I think he is realist.   What does that actually look like for next season though?   Full time or part time ?   What is the ambition, to consolidate at step 2 or look to throw a load of cash at it in the hope of getting back up to step 1?   Off the field what will he do to set up a team that could help share the load and generate income.   

None of this will be a walk in the park.

I would like to think the past 24 months have been a dose of realism for SC and what 'success' would look like at KLTFC but I do fear that COVID will be used as a mitigating factor to gloss over some of the mistakes that have been made.  Personally I think we need, as fans, to be prepared to see the club revert to part-time and in all likelihood be mid-table, at best, in NLN next season based on what is likely to be another major overhaul of the squad this summer.  There are still lots of things to be improved (or just instigated) off the field and that has to take more of a priority than it has to date for the club to truly be capable of mounting a serious attempt to get back up to the NL imo. 
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Grissles Oleary on February 03, 2022, 04:46:16 PM
he will always have a reason and an excuse for why he's failed and we will see excuses like covid and people letting him down.Covid has hit everyone so that out the window but he has been let down by people who should be helping him but thats his fault for getting people in who can't do the job but are cheap or hangers on.He wants to be professional on the field but anything will do seems to be the attitude for anything else.We most have the worst supporters club worst media worst fund raising in the league and worst food and drink until a a few weeks ago     d:ream

Are you a member of any supporters club for King's Lynn? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Mallard on February 03, 2022, 08:01:00 PM
Can she join up online yet Griss, or is that still proving a major problem ?
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Gordon Chilvers on February 03, 2022, 08:06:09 PM
he will always have a reason and an excuse for why he's failed and we will see excuses like covid and people letting him down.Covid has hit everyone so that out the window but he has been let down by people who should be helping him but thats his fault for getting people in who can't do the job but are cheap or hangers on.He wants to be professional on the field but anything will do seems to be the attitude for anything else.We most have the worst supporters club worst media worst fund raising in the league and worst food and drink until a a few weeks ago     d:ream
Jenny you missed worst COMMERCIAL MANAGEMENT, WORST EVER USE OF THE BLUE AND GOLD CLUB for non football use, CLUB ORGANISED AWAY TRAVEL, WORST EVER RAPPORT WITH LOCAL BUSINESS, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Tommy
Post by: Blue_and_Gold on February 03, 2022, 08:35:35 PM
Well we havenít got the worst team in the NL, and the league table proves that.

 :laughcry:
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