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General Discussion / Re: u21/RESSIES
« on: June 10, 2021, 10:04:45 PM »
KES, of course itís disappointing to see old traditions being lost along the way.  I make no apologies for wanting to see them survive.  Thatís what we were use to. 

So with the new U19 squad that will be developed each year will that gap from that level of games to First team Football not be even greater than it would when we had a Reserve team ?

KES you seem a wise old sage.  Help me out here.  I did ask Beard but he didnít seem very forthcoming with the ideas for the  way forward in terms of what is deemed successful.

Apologies, wasnít intentional. What exactly was it that you asked? Iím being lazy instead of finding the post.

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General Discussion / Re: u21/RESSIES
« on: June 10, 2021, 01:12:34 PM »
What I mean is I doubt many NL teams are thinking ďwell we better have a reserve side to keep the community happyĒ. Canít imagine thatís at the forefront of their thought process.

I'm sure your 100% correct on that one. That's nothing to be proud of though.



Itís whatís best for the club at the end of the day and If this is the way forward for them then letís see how it goes.


Maybe. I guess that must be the Owners thinking and personal opinion behind this decision. Desperate times call for desperate measures and all that. Short term thinking as far as I'm concerned though.

Also, its not just a case of players coming through to first team. The Academy is partly living off of the Reserves history. Some of the senior figures involved with the Academy had lengthy and successful years with Reserves which the Academy will now benefit from. Where are the future likes of Stuart going to come from now?   :dontknow:

Reserves were full of local players. The Walks Stadium is a local asset which the Clubs gets at a Peppercorn rent. I bet the other NL Clubs that you mention look on in envy at the low costs that Lynn have compared to them when it comes to Stadium costs. Would the Academy even exist if the Club had to pay full market rate (maybe even the Club  :dontknow: ) For this reason alone, the Club should support local players and have a proper Reserves team.

To be honest Iím sure youíd find 99% of the time a Reserve side is there to support the first team and also to get the experience needed to make the step up. As it stands now, the step  is too big and therefore it doesnít serve much benefit. Previous years I could fully accept that it was worthwhile. You canít just run a reserve side for the sole purpose of keeping the community happy.

But anyway as others and myself have said previously, we donít actually know the longer term plan yet. Just seems to be everyone is instantly negative no matter what happens.

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General Discussion / Re: u21/RESSIES
« on: June 10, 2021, 11:21:04 AM »
I also donít think youíll find many NL clubs who use their Reserves side to be part of the community?

Really? That's a shame then.

At Lynn there has always been a lot of local players representing Reserves. Therefore I would suggest that was at least part of the Club being part of the Community.

You probably weren't around when Chapman tried to get rid of Reseves team, or to see how local people and sponsors rallied around to ensure reserve football survived.

What I mean is I doubt many NL teams are thinking ďwell we better have a reserve side to keep the community happyĒ. Canít imagine thatís at the forefront of their thought process. Itís whatís best for the club at the end of the day and If this is the way forward for them then letís see how it goes.

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General Discussion / Re: u21/RESSIES
« on: June 09, 2021, 10:48:17 PM »
I donít really see it as a fair comparison with some of these names being chucked around. The reserves at the point of say Mark and Dom were at Step 5 and the First Team probably Step 3? Not really the same as National League to Thurlow Nunn Division. The gap in levels is a lot bigger these days.
I also donít think youíll find many NL clubs who use their Reserves side to be part of the community? In my opinion if the Reserves side is of no benefit to the First Team, then explore other options. Which seems to be whatís happening here.

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General Discussion / Re: u21/RESSIES
« on: June 08, 2021, 11:09:07 PM »
Think we just need to wait and see what the official line is, but personally as I have said before on here, I see little point in having a ressie/u21 side in the Thurlow Nunn.......the gap is way too big from there to NL. So to me , having the Academy playing other Academies and scrapping entry in the Thurlow Nunn makes perfect sense.

Completely agree with this re the size of the gap. As sad as it is to see it removed, for the bigger picture itís the right move by the club now theyíre operating at NL level.

Are you saying the rumour is true?  :dontknow:

If Mr Chilvers sources are as reliable as he mentions, which Iím assuming they must be for him to feel confident enough to post about it. Then the rumour appears to be true. But letís wait and see! Could all be terrace talk as they say

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General Discussion / Re: u21/RESSIES
« on: June 08, 2021, 10:39:00 PM »
Think we just need to wait and see what the official line is, but personally as I have said before on here, I see little point in having a ressie/u21 side in the Thurlow Nunn.......the gap is way too big from there to NL. So to me , having the Academy playing other Academies and scrapping entry in the Thurlow Nunn makes perfect sense.

Completely agree with this re the size of the gap. As sad as it is to see it removed, for the bigger picture itís the right move by the club now theyíre operating at NL level.

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General Discussion / Re: u21/RESSIES
« on: June 08, 2021, 09:40:22 PM »
Beardsmore you seem to be speaking as someone very close to the Youth set up so surely you would have been consulted and asked for your opinion ?

Which is ......, scrap it or go with it ?

I went to the trials back in April/May whenever it was. So would obviously understand concerns, but it really wouldnít influence whether I signed mine up or not. Itís all opinions though i guess, some may have the complete opposite view. Iíd imagine if we looked into it, not many clubs at this level have a team playing at that step in the ladder? But could be wrong

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General Discussion / Re: u21/RESSIES
« on: June 08, 2021, 09:26:38 PM »
Based on what youíve just said I personally canít see how removing a team playing at Step 6 is going to influence anyoneís decision on signing up to the Academy? My kids went and it wouldnít affect my choice of whether to do it or not. Of course I do understand what youíre saying about their being no bridge between 19s and First Team, but before everyone starts getting negative, we donít actually know whatís being discussed behind closed doors. Canít imagine it would be done without a plan in place. 

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General Discussion / Re: Kings Lynn Town FC Academy-The positives.
« on: March 17, 2021, 07:24:53 PM »
There I was thinking something nice was about to happen. Instead the same old moaners continue to be negative.

Mallard 👏🏼👏🏼 Well said.

Whoever is spreading rumours about the kids not being allowed to play for their local team....I asked this question before signing up my kids and I can tell you that is a lie. Sorry to break that news Mr Chilvers.


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General Discussion / Re: Kings Lynn Town FC Academy-The positives.
« on: March 17, 2021, 01:25:15 PM »
 :cheers:

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General Discussion / Re: Substitutes
« on: March 17, 2021, 12:44:34 PM »
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
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Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!


Surely they are in the same position Dom was in.  :dontknow:

Do we now say that these didn't come through via our Academy?

Just asking.

They are in the same position if they join at 15.... that they came through another academy. However the difference would be they will now play for 5 years in Kingís Lynn Academy post leaving, due to the new u19 set up at the club.  1 season isnít coming through the academy. He played in the community set up,, yes. But didnít come through it. He came through Norwich Academy.

Hope this helps.

Hi

Thanks.

Is that the official definition of "coming through our Academy"?

Just wondering about young Gascoigne (as an example). If he moves on to greater things, wouldn't it be good for the future marketing of our Academy to say that he came though it?

No worries at all, happy to help you understand how it works.

I mean sure, if someone comes through then it would be brilliant for the club. Strange point really, thatís an obvious one. One other positive is that it would allow for less moaning from a lot of people on here.

Hi

Thanks.

I'm still wondering what point you are trying to make. The definition that you use about "not coming through the Academy". Is that the official stance or just one person opinion?

Just on the point of people moaning on here. That's Football. Previously described as Terrace talk prior to Social Media making an appearance. "One mans meat is another man's poison" and all that. Indeed, could it not be said that it's moaning when people have the opinion that Dom came through the Academy, and others dispute that?

Personally I think the "moaning" tag is usually just people having different opinions.

I would say that itís more common sense attempting to prevail than anything else. One season in community football before joining the menís set up....but as itís opinions then yes of course youíre entitled to see that as the definition of coming through an academy.

But to my original point, the community wasnít slated. It was praised. The club is now attempting to start an academy from younger ages, which as a National League club, is imperative. Somehow people have decided to make negative of it for whatever reason and now label it as ďterrace talkĒ. Baffling.  Hence the moaning comment I made.

You still haven't answered my question. Is it an official view that young players who have previously been with another Academy but are now at Lynn's, can't claim to have come through the Lynn's Academy? Or, is it just your opinion?

Who's been negative towards the Academy? It's something that people having been wanting for years and felt badly let down by the people involved prior to Cleeve's arrival. 

What's baffling is you seeing something that's not there, and calling it moaning.

The Academy is just what was needed and could help on so many levels, although I do wish it had a better relationship with some of the local Clubs.

Ever so sorry that I havenít answered your question.

As previously mentioned, common sense is an important factor in determining this. Again, as stated above, 1 year doesnít come into it. Iíd like to think that was fairly obvious. Maybe not. Beyond that I guess itís open to interpretation.

I was making a point that instead of people discussing how good it may become for the club, the first comment I saw was moaning and brining up the community side of it. I didnít mean the academy was criticised itself.

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General Discussion / Re: Substitutes
« on: March 17, 2021, 12:37:29 PM »
The academy is very much in its infancy and remains to be seen how fruitful it may become in years to come. 

I guess itís down to facilities, quality of coaching and general pull.   Norwich have a hellva scouting system in place in Norfolk so that is a real big fish to compete with.

Beard, are you involved in the Lynn system or anywhere else?  Maybe you could tell us some of the strengths and indeed weaknessís of what is being attempted.

Could make for an interesting insight.

Itís definitely going to be tough, I guess it needs to be seen that it wonít be in direct competition with Norwich, as that would be incredibly difficult like you say. No doubt there are a lot of good young players around and if there is an opportunity to provide a platform then itís a no brainer. If it means picking up players released at 12/13 etc from academies then thatís a positive and something that previously wasnít an option.

I have worked in academy set ups previously and have always wondered why Lynn didnít have one.

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General Discussion / Re: Substitutes
« on: March 17, 2021, 12:08:38 PM »
Surely where ever a youngster has been has added something to his development ?
Maybe in Dwyerís case the big development push didnít come at Colley, as he was released?  It might be suggested that the  year at Lynn was the one that really pushed him on.

Of course, not doubting that at all, Mallard. Obviously learned a lot at Norwich but sometimes as you say it is the next step where people can grow. Not disputing that at all. Same can be said for Sonny.

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General Discussion / Re: Substitutes
« on: March 17, 2021, 11:33:13 AM »
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!


Surely they are in the same position Dom was in.  :dontknow:

Do we now say that these didn't come through via our Academy?

Just asking.

They are in the same position if they join at 15.... that they came through another academy. However the difference would be they will now play for 5 years in Kingís Lynn Academy post leaving, due to the new u19 set up at the club.  1 season isnít coming through the academy. He played in the community set up,, yes. But didnít come through it. He came through Norwich Academy.

Hope this helps.

Hi

Thanks.

Is that the official definition of "coming through our Academy"?

Just wondering about young Gascoigne (as an example). If he moves on to greater things, wouldn't it be good for the future marketing of our Academy to say that he came though it?

No worries at all, happy to help you understand how it works.

I mean sure, if someone comes through then it would be brilliant for the club. Strange point really, thatís an obvious one. One other positive is that it would allow for less moaning from a lot of people on here.

Hi

Thanks.

I'm still wondering what point you are trying to make. The definition that you use about "not coming through the Academy". Is that the official stance or just one person opinion?

Just on the point of people moaning on here. That's Football. Previously described as Terrace talk prior to Social Media making an appearance. "One mans meat is another man's poison" and all that. Indeed, could it not be said that it's moaning when people have the opinion that Dom came through the Academy, and others dispute that?

Personally I think the "moaning" tag is usually just people having different opinions.

I would say that itís more common sense attempting to prevail than anything else. One season in community football before joining the menís set up....but as itís opinions then yes of course youíre entitled to see that as the definition of coming through an academy.

But to my original point, the community wasnít slated. It was praised. The club is now attempting to start an academy from younger ages, which as a National League club, is imperative. Somehow people have decided to make negative of it for whatever reason and now label it as ďterrace talkĒ. Baffling.  Hence the moaning comment I made.


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General Discussion / Re: Substitutes
« on: March 17, 2021, 10:26:56 AM »
If the Under21s are not selected to sit on the bench in times of crisis then should we not consider having a reserve team when finances allow? It is all very well advertising the Academy as a means of getting into the first team but the evidence of recent days suggest otherwise.
.

Spot on Nemesis. Stating in the newspapers on friday and on Social Media that there is nowhere for young players to go! What about all the young players that have come through King's Lynn Community Football, King's Lynn Soccer School etc etc that have made it to KLTFC. Joe Taylor is a classic example as is Dom Dwyer now a USA international. Without players steppinhg up from KLCF and/or KLSC then the Reserve team at KLTFC would of been dead and buried years ago.
Sorry but it was another load of bull **** in the newspapers and social media again bribing youngsters and their parents to leave their existing football to come to KLTFC.

From reading the article myself I actually thought it was relatively complimentary of the Community set up. So Iíd have to disagree with you on that one. The names mentioned didnít actually go through the set up, Joe later on but Dom didnít. I for one think the club need an academy and itís not an overnight result. I watched a few 21s games this season and the  gap from academy/21s is very vast right now so can see the reasoning behind the lack of these players in the first team. Not saying Iím 100% against it but there must be an element of protecting the young lads also. Iíll certainly be signing my son and daughter up regardless as it all reads and looks positive.
Sorry to have to put you right but Dom Dwyer was with KLCF at 15 after being released by Norwich. He was playing mens football at 16. Up to the age of 18 Dom and Kyle Nicholls both coached for KLCF and both were then playing for KL Reserves.
They then went to the States and very much enjoying their lives, very thankful of their time with KLCF.

Yes, I am very aware as I know them both. My point on Dom was mainly that joining at 15 after being in an academy prior, then playing menís football at 16 is hardly what Iíd call going through the KLCF system. Not slating the system as it was great for feeding lads through to the reserves in previous years, but Dom certainly isnít an example of that.

I believe that there are youngsters in the Academy at the moment, that have previously been involved at other Academy's.   :dontknow:

There are, yes. Iím unsure how that is relevant to the points made from myself and Gordon though. Iíve said itís been a great asset to the club, no doubting that at all. Just pointed out Dom isnít really one that can be used. Hopefully the new academy can keep picking up players who leave Norwich etc. A few more Sonny Careyís would be nice!


Surely they are in the same position Dom was in.  :dontknow:

Do we now say that these didn't come through via our Academy?

Just asking.

They are in the same position if they join at 15.... that they came through another academy. However the difference would be they will now play for 5 years in Kingís Lynn Academy post leaving, due to the new u19 set up at the club.  1 season isnít coming through the academy. He played in the community set up,, yes. But didnít come through it. He came through Norwich Academy.

Hope this helps.

Hi

Thanks.

Is that the official definition of "coming through our Academy"?

Just wondering about young Gascoigne (as an example). If he moves on to greater things, wouldn't it be good for the future marketing of our Academy to say that he came though it?

No worries at all, happy to help you understand how it works.

I mean sure, if someone comes through then it would be brilliant for the club. Strange point really, thatís an obvious one. One other positive is that it would allow for less moaning from a lot of people on here.

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