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General Discussion / Re: Stockport at home Tues night.
« on: Today at 05:45:47 PM »
KES, no problem with you having a different opinion, I wish more could have a sensible conversation on here without it turning personal.

I don't disagree with your point about fostering links elsewhere, although I don't think there as many older heads looking to move down as maybe there maybe used to be and loans would still tend to be younger players, particularly if you are looking at season long loans.  As for Norwich being too high, Weymouth have signed a loanee from Aston Villa and Barnet one from QPR so I think that is the how the football world is now structured with PL & Championship u23 sides looking for a good chunk of their lads having some time in 'adult' football via the loan system.

We obviously have a different opinion on Mair, I think he is already a better keeper than Street and IC was obviously concerned about that area otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to take Mair on loan in the first place.  Given Bedford haven't played much since Street went there and there have been no (public) moves  to bring him back suggests we will be looking elsewhere for 2021-22 - this was my main concern with having a loan keeper in that it is an all or nothing arrangement and does leave us looking to fill that spot again next season.

General Discussion / Re: Stockport at home Tues night.
« on: Today at 02:26:29 PM »
need to have close relationship with Norwich however when you have a loan player think they should be part of the squad and not automatic choice.

I would agree with that and from the outside I wouldn't say it looks like Norwich have ever insisted on players being given preferential treatment.  Neither Payne last year nor Power last year or this were automatic choices and Mair is only an 'automatic' due to Street leaving, without wanting to open an old argument I think IC was right to swap the keepers when he did, yes Mair has parts of his game to work on but equally has been one of the most consistent performers this season imo.

General Discussion / Re: Stockport at home Tues night.
« on: Today at 01:57:14 PM »
:laughcry:Think you'll find we had one........better not go over all that again.

I do hope that by next season Lynn are in a position where Lynn can say "thanks, but no thanks to Norwich loanees. Inevitably they need to be played, inevitably this can cause squad disruption and inevitably they will use Lynn as a stepping stone before shooting off as soon as an improved opportunity presents itself, when the time feels right for the player. (All my opinion only of course).

I hope Mair stays for the rest of the season...think he has performed ok, but obviously lacks experience........and wherever he decides to go I wish him well. ......same applies to Power.
This league is so tough can't afford many in the squad who are just using it as a learning experience without putting firm foundations down for the club. (IMHO)

KES, just look around our league... I would guess that we have the lowest loanee count of all teams in the league (maybe held that title even when Power was still here).  The fact of the matter is NL clubs need loanees both in terms of quality and in terms of getting that quality at a reasonable cost so having a good relationship with Norwich should be a win-win, the question is why haven't we managed to build a similar relationship with any other club(s), I can't imagine the deal earlier in the season with Peterborough reflected well on either side.

General Discussion / Re: Eastleigh away. Tues night
« on: January 19, 2021, 06:27:44 PM »
In terms of Marriott, the previous two years the team was set up to create chances that he converted a fair proportion of (even in his dry spell post Christmas last year he still got on the end of a lot) and he also had buckets of confidence from converting those chances.  This year he was injured pre-season and didn't look match sharp when we started and the team is no longer set up to create those same sort of opportunities for a poacher type player, hence we have gone with Southwell who looks like he will run and chase down all day but isn't anything like the goal threat that Marriott could be.

I remain to be convinced that wingers are the way to go and I guess we might not have the opportunity for 'time to tell' as I can't see the season, even at step 1, going beyond the end of January with the government funding being loans not grants.  Pleased to see a new left back signed as that might help the shape of the team and I am with KES in that I would have Marriott back in the side just to see if he could regain some of that form but whether IC would be willing to change the team again to accommodate him is the question, I think a similar argument could be had for Carey who would be one of the first names on my teamsheet but just can't see how you get the best out of him in the current formation.

General Discussion / Re: V Hornchurch
« on: January 14, 2021, 07:02:44 PM »
I wonder how he’ll spin this one?

On the podcast and in the SC's EDP column -

"Our FA Cup game against Portsmouth in a normal environment would have been a great financial fillip for the club. Sadly, the home club lost £5,967.42 putting the game on and we of course rightly need to pay half of this, as our share of the losses. So imagine my surprise when I heard that Hornchurch were going to give the streaming away for our FA Trophy game next week and ask for donations in return to their supporters’ club."

Basically SC thinks Hornchurch are 'pulling a fast one' in that if they charged for the stream 50% would come to KL, however by asking for 'donations' they keep all the potential income.  Now you can argue this both ways and I can see SC's point but it certainly isn't winning the club any fans, particularly with a lower league club who are not getting any income at present.  Maybe a better option would have been to explain the situation and, given that we are hardly likely to be talking huge £s, SC could have asked Lynn fans to make their own mind up and for those that thought Hornchurch's stance was unfair to make a contribution to Lynn instead.

General Discussion / Re: Is it time to call a halt ?
« on: January 13, 2021, 02:07:20 PM »
I'll be surprised to see it happen across all levels....too much money involved at the very top....and after all money talks even in the midst of a "pandemic"

Problem is the NL campaigned to be 'elite' in 2019/20 and is now finding that coming back to haunt them.  Great for us last year in that it allowed promotion under PPG to the National but PFA only seem happy to fund testing down to EFL level.  I appreciate there will always be a cut off between professional and grassroots but I didn't think it should have been between step 2 & 3 of the non-league pyramid last year and unfortunately there will be a number of clubs in dire straits because of that decision.  Surprised the letter from NLN sides only had twelve signatories but maybe they didn't ask all clubs but that seems a pretty good indication as to where clubs are

Personally I would pause the whole of non-league now and merge the 2020/21 and 2021/22 seasons by starting up again in September as I can't see next season being much less disjointed than this, if the NL tries to limp on for another month then maybe they could tag on another round of fixtures next year so everyone plays everyone else three times for the combined season which for me has always been preferable to a part completed season and PPG.

General Discussion / Power on the move?
« on: January 13, 2021, 01:53:14 PM »
Seems Harrogate are keen to take him off Norwich's hands on a free.  Guess it works for Norwich who still retain an interest if he does go on to 'bigger things' with a sell on clause but equally don't feel its worth their while exercising the option to keep him for another year

Article says Lynn have offered to match his wages for this season which doesn't make any sense to me but maybe others will have a different opinion.  Personally I still think he has a lot to learn and either Simon Weaver thinks he can turn that potential into consistent performances or is just taking a gamble on a free transfer opportunity.  I guess time will tell but I do wonder about the people behind the lad as there seems to be a lot of hype which doesn't always translate on the pitch (even dropping down the ladder he hasn't been a consistent starter)

General Discussion / Re: Halifax
« on: January 10, 2021, 10:03:43 AM »
That was what Stephen Cleeve said on the live commentary. Will be out for the Altrincham game as well.

Did he actually say it was Covid?

Yes, quite clearly stated Aaron Jones out with COVID.

Yes, as Admin said also out for the Altrincham game but no issues with the other members of the squad as they didn't meet up again until the Tuesday just gone by which time he had already tested positive and was self isolating, thought he was a big miss again yesterday and Brown continues to look like he has no idea where he is supposed to be in relation to the other defenders.

Personally thought we held our own against a mid table NL side which is really what we should be aspiring to, they played the better football and tested the keeper more but we were more than worth the point on balance.  Power got Mark Hearle's MotM but I would have given it to Mair, kept us in it with a couple of key saves.

General Discussion / Re: Elite sports continues
« on: January 09, 2021, 11:11:24 AM »
There's a lot of irony and sour grapes  in the EDP today.   :laughcry:

... and some reasonable points, having agreed that the season could start it is dreadful that the authorities have let the situation get to this point where clubs (of all owndership models) don't have any idea how much they will be having to make up to pay their players this month or going forward.  I know people will point to individual clubs signing players but that shouldn't distract from the underlying issue that football has been badly let down by its administrators who have proven beyond all reasonable doubt that they are not fit for purpose, hopefully if changes do come in the structure and governance of the game this might be one positive from the COVID situation but at what cost to individual clubs still isn't clear.

General Discussion / Re: Halifax
« on: January 09, 2021, 11:03:16 AM »
Difficult for IC today as he may well have as fully fit squad to choose from as he has had for a while, I guess much will depend on his view of the Torquay match and how much of the performance was down to the formation, the attitude, the conditions or Torquay having an 'off day'.  I personally think it was probably a bit of all four but in reverse order to how I have written them, key for me today is that we go out with the right attitude and in particular the back line keep with the positive intent to win the ball they showed against Torquay

I was surprised to see us replace Loza pretty much like-for-like with Kiwomya as Culverhouse has, prior to this season at least, not gone with wingers which was the reason for Alex's departure from Chesterfield (and they haven't done too bad under the new manager).  Still think the jury is out on whether that actually helps us at this (or any) level but got to give the lad a go having signed him.  Not sure when the club resumed training but hopefully haven't got too rusty over the Christmas break and will champing at the bit to get back out there and we need to start picking up points and coming into a bit of form with games coming thick although for how long only time will tell

General Discussion / Re: new signing
« on: January 06, 2021, 05:31:12 PM »

"not received any communication".

"NL asked to engage with its members".

In a way, that's quite ironic coming from a football club.

To be fair to Chester, they are Trust run and pretty good on their communication, hence the publishing of this letter. 

Certainly worrying times, unfortunately more so for fan-owned teams like Chester who are not in a position to fund the club from 'other sources' outside of football (not that any owner should be doing this imo).  Unfortunately whilst many, myself included, may have hoped that this crisis would see a resetting of financial landscape currently due to the way the authorities have (mis)managed the situation, it looks like the opposite will happen and the benefactor / financial doping model will emerge stronger from all of this.

General Discussion / Re: The season
« on: January 04, 2021, 01:51:16 PM »
There is a danger that Covid can scupper our season in the National League, with the call offs and trying to squeeze in the games , its starting to get silly, and I don't think the League is doing much to help us. Why the big hurry? Long treks away on Tuesday nights this time of year is unfair on a part time club which have players who have to work in the morning after.
The Covid outbreak is not getting better anytime soon. Halt the season for a few weeks, give everyone a chance to get vaccinated and restart when we know we are back to normal, and on the subject of government bailouts, as has been said on this post already, NO club should be allowed to sign more players while taking financial aid.       

Sorry Mac, but we shouldn't be treated any differently just because we have chosen to be part-time - we are at step 1 in the non-league pyramid and receive the government grants / tv money that comes with that and therefore also have to accept the commitments associated with it.  Appreciate that may well mean an additional burden on the players but that is what they signed up for at the start of the season and those that couldn't / didn't want to could have taken the same route as Henderson.

I think if the season is halted that will have to be it as there will be no way it can realistically be restarted, so the league has to either cut it's losses now or struggle on with probably more disruption in terms of individual clubs calling games off.  Guess much will depend on BT, what is written into players contracts in terms of the season ceasing early and the view around promotion / relegation to the EFL.  This latter point seemed to be the driver for carrying on last year and may well do so again this year but I still think step 2 should have been treated the same as step 3 and below last season and have seen nothing to change my mind since.

General Discussion / Re: Norfolk in Tier 4 from 0001 Boxing Day
« on: December 31, 2020, 02:36:28 PM »
Club have now changed it's mind and if you want a refund for the Notts County game you need to ask (unless you have already had your refund).  Changing the rules half way through the process seems a crazy option but I guess SC has a sensible reason why?  Full statement from the club:

"The football club has begun this week the refund process for the postponed Notts County fixture, due to have been played on Boxing Day at The Walks. However we have been contacted by supporters, of both clubs, who wished for us to keep their ticket money as a donation to King’s Lynn Town Football Club.

Around half of the refunds have been completed, but we have now suspended the process and ask that you contact our box office manager Zoe Sandle by sending an email to if you wish for a full refund, and she will issue one with immediate effect.

If you wish for the club to keep your ticket money as a donation you need to do nothing. We thank you in advance for your very kind gesture."

General Discussion / Re: January to March Finance
« on: December 29, 2020, 04:57:24 PM »
Mall, appreciate what you are saying but footballers contracts are not employment contracts that 'normal' businesses would deal with.  As an example, lets assume SC paid some sort of fee for Southwell when he signed (2 year deal?), he can only be placed on furlough with his agreement (as is the case for any employee) and if he doesn't agree the club have two options - pay him to contract or alter his pay (which may end up with a penalty from the league for breaking his contract) and risk him leaving for nothing.  That is my problem with the PFA - it is within their gift to allow player contracts to be amended in these uncertain time but they seem to be wanting to treat each club on a case by case basis which leaves clubs very exposed. 

It's all well and good saying clubs have to take responsibility for themselves, and I wouldn't disagree, but unless leagues and the PFA recognise that players wages might not be paid in full for the remainder of the season to enable clubs to be around next August then we are in a horrible game of who blinks first.

General Discussion / Re: January to March Finance
« on: December 29, 2020, 03:42:29 PM »
Tony,  I don’t quite follow what difference you are suggesting between Non League and League Clubs.

In an ideal world the PFA would accept they are part of the problem across all of football but given that seems unlikely, the difference between League and Non-league is that div 1 and div 2 sides have access, should they want it, to the money made available from the PL.  Whatever the rights and wrongs of this (and there are many) that isn't the case at steps 1 & 2 of non-league and given the hash the National League made of distributing the last lot of money I would imagine clubs are going to reach a pinch point pretty quickly into the new year. 

I appreciate that the NL situation is complicated by having a mix of full and part time players but after money was made available to allow steps 1 & 2 to commence we are now in the position where the situation has worsened but players contracts that activated on the first day of the season are still in place (those on multi-year deals won't have COVID breaks and I really have no idea if those on new deals would have them as standard).

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