Only a draw against a big robust team who didn’t want to play football as we know it . Kick and rush, push and pull, time waste, try to fool the ref in getting KLTFC players booked or sent off. We needed a stronger ref and assistants today at times.

Quote from: Quinn Upstone on December 11, 2024, 02:29:18 PM

Quote from: kieranuptoon on December 11, 2024, 08:22:42 AM

Quote from: Quinn Upstone on December 10, 2024, 06:09:54 PM

I was at the match and I don't believe that the gate was anywhere near that figure, and neither did the crowd. The chap I sit near to and I regularly try to guess the attendance. We're usually not far off. This time I said 300 and he said 450. A long way off and we just looked at each other and laughed. So did most of the people sitting around us.

But, a genuine question, what would be the purpose of inflating the attendance ?

Kieran

Can I just ask a question? After a win, as opposed to being positive or happy, why do you decide to accuse the club of artificially inflating numbers which do not have any benefits anyway?

I’d also ask you, were you really there and would you consider yourself a fan? I know what 300 fans look like and it definitely wasn’t 300.

Why is it so hard to be happy about the team?

 

Hi Kieran. Many thanks for your insightful and accusatory input.

Despite the waste of my time I will address your comments on my post:

I'm not "accusing" the club of anything. In fact I didn't mention the club at all when I asked a question regarding the possible purpose of inflating attendance numbers. It was a genuine question and you appear to be the only one who has tried to make something else from it.

I was both amused and entertained by the seemingly specious number given out for the attendance. Nothing more sinister than that.

I'm always in transports of delight, nay experience positive delirium, with a win, but I'm struggling to work out why attendance numbers and my ecstasy or otherwise are related to each other. They would appear to be mutually exclusive.

How dare you question whether I was "actually there" ? How dare you question whether I would consider that I was a "fan" ? What gives you the right to thereby imply that I'm a liar ?

I will be sending your libelous and defamatory babblings to my solicitor as I see you have a history of trying to bully and/or insult other posters. You go quiet when you're called out or the answers given exceed two syllables. I'm uncertain whether to consider you an amoeba or just detritus...

Now be a good boy and put your toys back in your pram. I'm sure it's way past your afternoon nap time.

Quinn, thank you for your reply.

That escalated quickly. I asked a couple of questions and suddenly I'm starring in the next courtroom drama on ITV.

If being puzzled at someone guessing 300 fans when it looked more like 811 makes me 'detritus,' then fair enough — I’ll proudly wear that badge (do I get a certificate too?). I must have missed the memo where being wrong about crowd sizes became a criminal offence.

For the record, I didn’t call you a liar — I asked a question. You know, one of those things people do when they want clarity, like, ‘Did you actually see it?’ It wasn’t a court summons, mate.

But listen, I’ll be sure to contact my legal team (aka. my mate Dave down the pub) to prepare for the incoming lawsuit. I’m sure they’ll be thrilled to hear I’m being sued over headcounts at a football match. 'Your Honour, we have reason to believe my client has overestimated human density.'

Anyway, I’ll leave you to your ‘transports of delight’ (lovely turn of phrase, by the way) and your impending multi-million-pound defamation case. If I’m found guilty, I’ll happily serve my time in solitary, counting imaginary crowds for company.

All the best, Kieran (Proud Member of the Amoeba Appreciation Society 🦠)

Quote from: Quinn Upstone on November 28, 2024, 01:59:30 PM

Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on November 27, 2024, 07:51:07 PM

Quote from: Quinn Upstone on November 27, 2024, 07:30:02 PM

I'm not usually stuck for words...but what the (insert your own expletive) is going on at our club ?????

Just when it looked like things were getting back on track with Joe, Cleeve is trying to flog our club behind our backs. Or bits of it. Why didn't he let supporters know or speak to the trust ?

And I simply don't believe that such a small amount of debt can be accurate.

And I don't believe that Jo and/or Cleeve paid off thousands of pounds of debt, just to walk away with perhaps just a season ticket and a scarf as a momento !!!

So much for our improved media and Cleeve going quiet now appears to be a desperate hope that buyers won't do any due diligence.

Has all this just been done recently as a quick paint job hoping to cover up the cracks to put us on the market before it all falls down.

And never forget that he has the lease so he won't go quietly...

My take on the questions you raise.

1) His club, not ours. That's been made very clear.

2) The Trust are supporters. One and the same thing.

3) I don't think anyone has suggested that Jo has paid off any of the debts.

4) I guess the wording on debt is accurate when it says only 17k  of BANK debt. Other debt is not with the Bank.

5) Media can only go with information they are given. As long as they publish information as soon as they receive it, that's an improvement to what we had previously. If they weren't informed, they couldn't really inform us.

6) It's the Club (Lynn FC Ltd) that has the lease, not Cleeve.

7) Not sure about terming it a quick paint job in an attempt to cover up the cracks as nothing has really changed since day one. Some just choose to ignore things.

 

Thanks for your help with clarifying some of my thoughts. I'll try to respond to your points.

1) Unfortunately I agree with this one. I was so taken aback that I became delirious and entered a parallel universe where we actually had some control over the club.

2) It wasn't my intention to suggest that the trust members are not supporters of the club. I apologise for my clumsiness.

3) and 4) I agree with your analysis.

5) I agree that the current media setup is much better than it's been in a long time, which is to be applauded. My point here was a cynical suggestion that it has only been improved to impress any potential buyers.

6) Thanks for clarifying this one for me. Could you perhaps outline what impact this could have in the future i.e. post-Cleeve.

7) I'm perhaps sceptical about Cleeve's intentions. I believe that he's trying to create an imaginary club for buyers and he's being shady...at the very least.

6) The lease is an asset of the Limited Company (Lynn FC Ltd), and not a personal asset of Cleeve's. I doubt its of much use to anyone other than someone that want's to run a Football Club from it. I have no idea what value it has placed on it. The lease has been extended (so new investors could be found), so it has got the benefit of a long lease.

I would guess the stated book value could be quite high and form a sizeable % of what the Club is valued at. i.e. on paper probably one of, if not the, main assets.   

The problem here could be two parties agreeing what the true value of the lease (and any other asset) really is. Its true value will be debatable, even with the benefit of the rent being Peppercorn.

My thoughts are it will probably be one of the main points during discussions with any potential investors.

As with most things, the true value can only be ascertained when buyers and sellers agree a price.

Regarding your question regarding the situation "Post Cleeve", that depends why he has become "Post". If the lease reverts back to the Council, who knows what the outcome will be. They have hardly covered themselves in glory in the past, although there is fresh blood in there these days, so hopefully there would be some Blue Sky thinking.