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Messages - MARCUS ROSE

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General Discussion / Re: Venue cancellation
« on: May 09, 2020, 10:07:08 PM »
What are everyoneís views on something I saw on Facebook a day or two ago.

So I was going to have a 40th birthday party at King's Lynn Town Football Club but it was obviously cancelled due to government advice. I asked for a refund and was refused,  but offered to rebook in 12 months. I declined as Iím not working at the moment and the money is more important than a party. After Stephen Cleeve the owner acknowledged there was no terms and conditions they still refused a refund. After many emails back and forth and even pointing out that accoarding to the CMA Iím entitled to a full refund, Iím now being ignored, this maybe because theyíre not there but there was no out of office automated email.
Iím not one to name a shame but it is unprofessional and a blatant flouting of consumer rights.
I have attached a link for the advice from the CMA on the gov.uk website for those of you affected in a similar way.
I also now feel like I have no alternative to report them to the CMA

What are your views? 

"Investors may not get back the capital they invested"   :cheers:

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General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: May 04, 2020, 10:41:28 PM »
I'm with Dilly and Mallard.

Draw a line under it all. No promotions, no relegation's.

My view entirely. Solidarity with the lower leagues.

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Going forward I feel the governing bodies need to set ceilings for each level of English football. Ceilings for maximum squad wages, ceilings for manager and staff salaries etc and these need to reflect where we are now and where football as just a sport should sit in society.
Even if they only rely on market forces, there will probably be a lot less money around to pay such silly amounts.
It will be interesting to see how players respond to this, and also how Managers will cope when they have less to offer the Players when in comes to wages.

Then you'll see how good the manager really is. But there will still be the senseless Chairman/owner prepared to gamble it all, and more, on 32 red.  :countingmoney:

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General Discussion / Re: Chairman's podcast
« on: April 21, 2020, 11:59:41 PM »
Tony.

The PFA and FA may well be involved in such discussions, but a contract is a contract. The fact that its a football contract makes no difference and they will be subject to contractual law. If FA, PFA and Clubs just try to cancel contracts, I can see the Players, Agents and their Solicitors being busy in the coming months.

Apart from that, didn't the Chairman say only recently that he has always honoured contracts, in and out of the game? If so, I can't see him wanting to break that habit now.

He's put a lot of money into the Club (or is it better to say loaned a lot of money). To have any chance of recouping it, he's got to find a way to keep things going. If there's no income but lots of expenditure, mainly due to the wages of the contracted players he's signed, the option of failing to find a way of financing things until the gates are open again, can't really be on his famous table.

Maybe the investor is still being courted.  :dontknow:

So, unlessThe Chairman has got a trick up his sleeve, is he between  the old rock and hard place?  Does he throw even more at it, knowing he's unlikely to ever see it back again, or cut losses now and say goodbye to the money he's loaned the Club?

Unless players play ball, and are willing to cancel contracts themselves (I would assume the Chairman would allow this to happen) are there any other options? Have I missed anything?

Obviously if we kick-off in September, things may well pan out ok, but I wouldn't put my money on that happening.
 :scarf:

"The price of investments and the income from them can go down as well as up and neither is guaranteed. Investors may not get back the capital they invested"  :countingmoney:

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General Discussion / Re: Chairman's podcast
« on: April 19, 2020, 07:37:21 PM »
Supporters involved is alive and kicking at Lynn.  Only have to look at The Clubs just giving page to see how many contributed out of an average gate of 1400.

Supporters involvement should be a two way street.   Itís a lesson that needs learning.

Fair play to all who have donated. But 62 people is under 5%.  Not the call to arms the Chairman wanted.

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General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: April 18, 2020, 10:53:53 PM »
Also had a listen in to SC.    Seems like he sees the season will not start in Aug.  Plus with Euros next year the season will have to be pushed through at a fair old rate.  Thatís if it gets underway at all.

Makes sense that Lynn wonít sell season tickets without knowing what League, how many games and when it will start.  Makes sense.

Sensible clubs are already selling season tickets for the next season. A valuable source of income in the current crisis.

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General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: April 14, 2020, 08:03:57 PM »
Void the whole season for all Leagues, and be done with it.

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General Discussion / Re: York City
« on: April 03, 2020, 10:50:21 PM »
Same at FC Utd.  Non essential business, under Government guidelines.

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General Discussion / Re: All results expunged
« on: April 01, 2020, 07:52:47 PM »
Void every league from Premier downwards. Show a bit of solidarity with those at grass roots level.

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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 30, 2020, 08:27:52 PM »
Firstly, I need to say that I am a fan of the Trust... it's ideals and what it aims to provide....
however, I am hugely grateful to SC and what has been achieved under his tenure. It seems to me that the rapid success on the field has in some ways disempowered the likes of the Trust and FolL......the sums involved now in terms of what is required to support a step1 or 2 side are massive in comparison to what the Trust for example can offer.........and at this stage is £60k likely to be enough to resurrect the club if it went under ?...however laudable the intent ?  If the answer to this is no, then is there a legitimate case for the Trust to reconsider its role ?
You're right: the trust in its current form is a virtual irrelevance.

Seems to be a lot of virtual irrelevance about Stanley.  :salute:

https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/features/29789/football-fans-want-to-know-their-clubs-can-survive-coronavirus-crisis/

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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 29, 2020, 08:39:38 PM »
Firstly, I need to say that I am a fan of the Trust... it's ideals and what it aims to provide....
however, I am hugely grateful to SC and what has been achieved under his tenure. It seems to me that the rapid success on the field has in some ways disempowered the likes of the Trust and FolL......the sums involved now in terms of what is required to support a step1 or 2 side are massive in comparison to what the Trust for example can offer.........and at this stage is £60k likely to be enough to resurrect the club if it went under ?...however laudable the intent ?  If the answer to this is no, then is there a legitimate case for the Trust to reconsider its role ?

If the club went under, a resurrected club would be nowhere near step 1 or 2. Remember ?  So I think £60k would be more than enough to start a sustainable club.  But this is all hypothetical, as the Chairman has to much too lose, and will not let this happen. It may be the time to reel in excessive spending and try to reduce the deficits. But I can't see that happening either.

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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 28, 2020, 09:17:10 PM »
Stephen Cleeve wanted donations, loans are all very well but he has  to pay them back!
The aims of the Trust are to "to purchase a stakeholding in the club" not be sole owner.
No, I don't think the Trust could not leap in and save the club but as part of a consortium  they might achieve something, although I doubt if any consortium would want to put in the kind of money Stephen Cleeve appears to doing.

The aim of the business is to facilitate and provide the structure for an affordable, sustainable and enterprising football club in Kingís Lynn.  It will also invite the supporters, the local business fraternity and the wider community of Kingís Lynn and West Norfolk to be stakeholders in the process.  In forming this community based not-for-profit model, the marketing potential would be more lucrative. In order to comply with Football League rules, a Limited Company (Ltd Co) will be formed with a £100,000 share capital.  Fifty percent of the shares (£50,000) will be owned by the Trust, and the other 50% will be offered to ideally another ten investors each owning 5% of the shares (£5,000 each).  These other investors would be known as vice-presidents of the Ltd Co.  A management board would then be formed and would be made up of 5 Trust Directors, 5 Vice-presidents. This model would allow for supporter representation in the running of the football club, and would facilitate the general principles of a Supporterí Trust.  The Trust would continue to operate but would have a more direct role in representing its members by having part ownership of the Football Club. An organisational chart can be found at Annex A.  Financial projections can be found at Annex B.  It must be noted that these figures are estimated and obviously would be subject to change according to arising situations. 

Its all there in the Trust Business Plan 2015. If people did a bit of research life could be so much easier.   :cheers:

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General Discussion / Re: INCOMING.
« on: March 28, 2020, 10:49:56 AM »
On the one hand it could be astute strategic and financial business.
 On the other it could be an act of bravado by the Chairman, designed to keep the faithful on board,
and a two fingered salute to his detractors, and a certain Arsenal season ticket holder.  :dontknow:

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General Discussion / Re: INCOMING.
« on: March 27, 2020, 11:25:03 PM »
Just Giving fund must be doing ok then?  :countingmoney:

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 27, 2020, 10:02:18 PM »
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town-manager-paul-lambert-defers-wages-1-6581320

Nice gesture from Paul Lambert at Ipswich to try to keep others in a job.

 :clap:  :clap:   :clap:
It is a nice gesture but he can obviously afford to do it.

I would think most people only give what they can afford.  :banghead;

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