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General Discussion / Re: Retained and Departed Players
« on: June 21, 2021, 06:58:09 PM »

Clubs of long standing at this level have a full compliment of money spinners swelling the coffers.

Big monies coming in on Sponsorship deals. A fully up to speed commercial department and a Supporters Club sticking in decent amounts.  Just a few examples.


I'm all for it!

 :scarf:

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General Discussion / Re: Retained and Departed Players
« on: June 21, 2021, 06:11:27 PM »
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Re the last sentence... personally a big fan of the Trust model, but also a big fan of what SC has brought to the club over the last few years........perhaps instead of generosity, I would use input, energy, tenacity, money, love of the game and some nous too.

I'll give you the money theory.

Let's hope it doesn't stop flowing in (or that it already has).


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General Discussion / Re: Retained and Departed Players
« on: June 21, 2021, 02:23:07 PM »
Some on here are pointing out that money buys progress, and many clubs use it, then subsequently lose it.  My point is more about football than about the cash angle, though I realise the link.  I believe every team does a “Chesterfield”, all the time.  All teams are formed by taking on players who didn’t quite make it in a bigger and more talented team, plus nicking the best players from below.  It describes the whole system since it started at the turn of the 20th century.  Stephen Cleeve is the first one whose generosity has enabled us to make any real progress within that system.

Hi Dilly.

I wouldn't disagree with most of your post, apart from the last sentence.

Generosity is not the way I would describe it but it's easily proven how "generous" previous owners have also been over the years, with the Clubs that have carried  the Town's name and played at the Walks.


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General Discussion / Re: Retained and Departed Players
« on: June 20, 2021, 10:59:46 AM »
I wonder if there are any plans in place to make the Club self sufficient.  :dontknow:

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General Discussion / Re: Retained and Departed Players
« on: June 19, 2021, 07:15:11 PM »

I know it's a ruthless, dog eat dog league dominated in more ways than one, by the wealthy clubs, but I am not a fan of sides that spend absurd amounts and effectively buy their way up the leagues...

Agree with you Kes, although I don't mind the clubs spending big if the money has come from what the Club has generated themselves. That way, they will naturally find their own level.

Sooner or later the Clubs that buy their way up the league, run out of steam. Usually big fish in little ponds to start off with, but within a couple of seasons they become small fish in a bigger pond.

Even if the amount of money being put into these Clubs each season remains the same, it will be insufficient to maintain the momentum the Clubs have had in previous seasons.

This can then lead to the floating supporters losing interest, so gates fall. The Benefactor (s) issues the "use it or lose it" warning, loses interest when the Supporters don't respond and the penny finally drops (or runs out of money themselves), and the Club is then on the slippery slope.

Clubs are hungry beasts. Once they have been fed, you can't just stop feeding them without experiencing an adverse reaction.

 :oldman" :farmer: I have to agree with you guys, but this happens in all the leagues from premier down. Chelsea and Man City were 2nd division sides who flouted with odd spells in the top flight of football when I was a child, now they are massively benefactor funded clubs, buying trophies for the cabinet. Closer too home Histon, St. Neots, AFC Hornchurch all had money too burn at one point but then the bubble burst. Hornchurch are now rebuilding again but will they have as much money as before?  Blackburn won the premier league with Jack Walker’s money, where are they now ? at a level more suited too them, I would say. As you say, self funded clubs are no issue for me either, but just buying trophies to me takes away some of the joy and pain that football meant to me as a child. :farmer: :oldman"

 :clap: :clap: :clap:

I did mean to include that it happens at all levels, in my original post.

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General Discussion / Re: Retained and Departed Players
« on: June 19, 2021, 06:04:03 PM »

I know it's a ruthless, dog eat dog league dominated in more ways than one, by the wealthy clubs, but I am not a fan of sides that spend absurd amounts and effectively buy their way up the leagues...

Agree with you Kes, although I don't mind the clubs spending big if the money has come from what the Club has generated themselves. That way, they will naturally find their own level.

Sooner or later the Clubs that buy their way up the league, run out of steam. Usually big fish in little ponds to start off with, but within a couple of seasons they become small fish in a bigger pond.

Even if the amount of money being put into these Clubs each season remains the same, it will be insufficient to maintain the momentum the Clubs have had in previous seasons.

This can then lead to the floating supporters losing interest, so gates fall. The Benefactor (s) issues the "use it or lose it" warning, loses interest when the Supporters don't respond and the penny finally drops (or runs out of money themselves), and the Club is then on the slippery slope.

Clubs are hungry beasts. Once they have been fed, you can't just stop feeding them without experiencing an adverse reaction.


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General Discussion / Re: Dover
« on: June 19, 2021, 05:38:57 PM »
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Jim also said the budget for next year was effectively halved.

Makes sense. Why waste money on the wage bill when you're almost certainly going to be relegated anyway.

Save the money for the following season and a push for promotion.

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General Discussion / Re: Pre-season Friendlies
« on: June 18, 2021, 08:17:58 PM »
From the home page:

Thanks, I thought I had seen it somewhere.
 :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:

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General Discussion / Re: Pre-season Friendlies
« on: June 18, 2021, 07:48:44 PM »
Has it been said anywhere what the cost of the friendlies are going to be?

Only asking as Lowestoft have announced they will be playing Ipswich and tickets will be priced at £5.00.

I know a lot of supporters feel that ticket prices are usually too expensive, but £5.00 seems a bit on the low side to me.   :dontknow:

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General Discussion / Re: Pre-season Friendlies
« on: June 18, 2021, 06:08:04 PM »
https://www.kltown.co.uk/2021/06/05/linnets-announce-posh-friendly/

That's more like it.

There's nothing on that page. I hope that's not a bad omen.   :dontknow:

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General Discussion / Re: Archive- the highest level
« on: June 17, 2021, 10:53:23 PM »
Dudley Banson in the Lord Napier.

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General Discussion / Re: Sonny Carey
« on: June 17, 2021, 10:52:32 PM »
You would have thought they could have done the decent thing and made sure the shirt he was wearing was displaying the current sponsors name.

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General Discussion / Re: Archive- the highest level
« on: June 17, 2021, 10:50:40 PM »
Didn't Mick Rains run 'The Retreat'?

Yes.

New Inn before that?  :dontknow:

Think he was involved with the Lord Nelson in Swaffham as well.  :dontknow:

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General Discussion / Re: Going Forward
« on: June 17, 2021, 10:36:15 AM »
However where will this leave the likes of Kings Lynn, Weymouth etc ?

One is on the East Coast, one is on the South Coast..............................that's the only thing that is certain at the moment.

Is there a (fluid) Plan B this time, both locally and as far as the NL are concerned?

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General Discussion / Re: Going Forward
« on: June 17, 2021, 09:22:46 AM »
Not looking too good again.   :glum:

Sky News

COVID-19 cases are "rising exponentially" across England, with the latest estimates putting the R number at 1.44.

Infections increased by 50% between 3 May and 7 June coinciding with the rise of the Delta variant, which has become dominant in the UK since first being detected in India.

Delta has overtaken the Alpha (Kent) variant, and now accounts for up to 90% of coronavirus cases.

The number of COVID-19 cases is doubling every 11 days, according to data from the REACT-1 study by scientists at Imperial College London, who said their findings showed a "rapid switch" from the Alpha variant to Delta.

The figures also show that one in 670 people was infected, with the highest prevalence in the North West.

Stephen Riley, professor of infectious disease dynamics at Imperial and one of the study authors, said the exponential increase in prevalence is being driven by infections among younger people.



IMHO, dealing with the very nature of a Pandemic and the gradual easing of the restrictions, it's no real surprise that this is happening. It maybe also goes someway in explaining why some segments of the entertainment/hospitality industry are seeing their restrictions being lifted quicker than others.  :dontknow:

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