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General Discussion / Re: NL hoping to continue?
« on: February 07, 2021, 11:32:03 AM »
Just read on BBC News (so it has to be true  :laughcry:) that the Govt are now supplying free flow tests to Companies with 50 employees (previously 250).

Not sure if NL have tapped into this or if what they are doing is their own initiative.   :dontknow:

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General Discussion / NL hoping to continue?
« on: February 07, 2021, 10:20:38 AM »
Ollie Bayliss

@Ollie_Bayliss

12h

The National League plans to introduce mandatory lateral flow testing across all 66 clubs from the week commencing 15th February.

Tests will be provided at no cost to clubs, who will be instructed to test twice a week.

The plan still needs final approval from the League Board

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General Discussion / Re: Game off.
« on: February 06, 2021, 02:30:00 PM »
Oh the irony. As the thread title says Match Off. One of our players as tested positive today.

Genuinely sorry to hear that.

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General Discussion / Re: Game off.
« on: February 06, 2021, 02:21:59 PM »
The Centre would have details of people they can call if there are surplus supplies. I would also have thought that these Clubs who are  (or claim they are) at the centre of the community would also know people who would be higher up the list than fit 20 year olds.

Hopefully the investigation will show that everything was ok and protocol was followed.

If someone from Chesterfield FC had seized the initiative and been proactive, in making  local vaccination  centres aware of people who could quickly get there. Thus saving jabs going to waste, then well done. Probably a better use of time than pleading poverty to the Press all the time.

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General Discussion / Re: Game off.
« on: February 06, 2021, 02:14:59 PM »


The main point which our friend Blue and yellow seems to side step, is the spiteful actions (being kind) of an ex director and also crass journalism by the mirror.

 :laughcry: Me side step? That's rich!  :laughcry:

That's got nothing to do with any of the points raised on here. Who reported it is not the issue on here. That's entirely an issue between you, your club and the person you claim reported it. I would guess that some would think that he did the right thing, even if his true  intentions were spiteful. Personally, I don't care about you internal squabbling.

I do care about Football Clubs and players believing they are a special case, and not just during the Pandemic.


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General Discussion / Re: Game off.
« on: February 06, 2021, 12:36:07 PM »
A fund raising page may have had good intentions, but obviously was not thought all the way through. It put the person who is supposed to have contacted CFC or its players for vaccination in a difficult situation.

So many contradictory stories on the CFC players  being given the jab. Also it looks like this is not the first time CFC players and staff have been offered and received the jab. I read that the CFC players and staff who were given the jabs were contacted directly. If that's the case, how would the Centre have their names?

I also read that these Centres have protocol's to follow for unused jabs which involves making efforts to contact the no shows, and then contact people on lists of who they should call first. It stated that CFC would be at the bottom of the list. Fit 20 year olds are very rarely vulnerable.

Apparently none of CFC's furloughed players or staff were contacted. How would the Centre be able to make the distinction between CFC players/staff that were furloughed and those that were not?

Who would have made the decision to only get the active players vaccinated? CFC? If so, are they qualified to make that decision? Maybe a furloughed players was more vulnerable than an active player? Was that even considered?

Jury is still very much out on this one!

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on no more CFC players or its staff being contacted by the Centre in the future. If that is the case, that in itself speaks volumes.

Of course, that's if it is what happened previously, and nobody with a certain degree of knowledge of  how managing supply chains work, exploited the system.   :dontknow:

Bludy 'L, I only came on here looking for opinions on Alex Kiwomya, a player I rated highly when fit.
When I saw the third post on this thread I had to correct the wrongs this post contained.

Any way, your first paragraph I dont think any right minded person would think this lady had been compromised and she would take any action to do so. It's quite clear from the comments made with the donations made that they have been made, in thanks of work down  by the staff and to stick 2 fingers up to our ex odious director and despicable journalism.

You waffle on about what you have read, well name sources to give credence to what you try to imply. The Mirror, Mail and our local rag  are the only ones to cover it so far (the Telegraph are covering it today apparently) If you are taking things of other social media platforms (I dont). Well enough said.

You ask questions of which CFC,  staff have had the jabs what's it matter someone as benefited rather than waste the vacine and further down the line these will not need doing.

You mention protocols, well isn't that well covered in the press release in my previous post ( made accessible by Admin thanks) However if you want song and verse on protocols I've heard them all from my daughter she's helping out albeit in Poole. One of the main problems is finding replacements for  no shows in the last couple of hours which rules out alot of candidates at the moment ie initial electronic form filling, transport etc.

I don't get your point re supply chain, but no doubt it's a logistical!!  nightmare for some.

Not sure who the jury are, you can have the casting vote.

I did say the fund raising page was probably well intended. To offer someone involved a financial reward, even retrospectively, is just plain crazy in circumstances such as this. Any right minded person should see that.

Obviously CFC can do no wrong and should never be questioned. No answer to the important questions such as how the Centre have the CFC contacts names, and why certain CFC personell were vaccinated before other,  other than "what's it matter"? The answer to that one is "open and honest".

I'm not implying anything. I was just asking questions. When you start going down this route and make accusations of people implying things, it appears very defensive.

Well done to your daughter for helping out in Poole and informing you chapter and verse on the Protocols. That must be very useful.

Theres two sides to the Media reporting but sounds as if people should only take notice of one. CCG was one source quoted in one of the articles.

When I say the jury is out, what I'm saying is that there's certainly enough questions raised to warrant the investigation that is apparently going to be made.

Given the all clear from that then,  it's not a problem.

"Probably well intended" blimey, now that is ill considered. There will be folk running round Chesterfield (socially distanced )slapping their heads Monty Python style screaming  'what crazy thing have we done raising 4 grand  (and rising) in under 24 hours and donating it in someone's good name to the local hospice",  yes totally crazy.

For answers to the 'important questions' I again refer you to the press release from Stubley Medical centre.

Change of tac. If this season gets cancelled and we get chance to visit next season are there any Real Ale outlets within hobbling distance of your ground. Please accept this as a genuine question and not implying some psychological cop out from the above

So even when people are agreement there are still issues. Monty Python indeed. Very dead parrot.

I really can't see that the Centre's statement can be considered as being anymore relevant than the Media that have previously been condemned. After all, the Centre was one of the two parties involved with the vaccinations so their opinion is obviousy coming from one particular viewpoint. I'm not saying they are wrong, that's for the investigation to decide. Two seperate incidences though? As said before you really can't blame people being suspicious.

Although there is obviously a reluctance to answer the questions raised, I'll answer yours.

I've had to do some research on this as I never touch the stuff but the particular type of Beverage you mention is apparently well catered for all over town. The town itself is little more than a 5-10 minute hobbling/stumbling from the football ground.

Or, you can visit our Club bar where apparently you can get a fresh can of Carling, purchased directly from Morrissons prior to the game.

 :scarf:

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General Discussion / Re: Game off.
« on: February 06, 2021, 10:33:33 AM »
A fund raising page may have had good intentions, but obviously was not thought all the way through. It put the person who is supposed to have contacted CFC or its players for vaccination in a difficult situation.

So many contradictory stories on the CFC players  being given the jab. Also it looks like this is not the first time CFC players and staff have been offered and received the jab. I read that the CFC players and staff who were given the jabs were contacted directly. If that's the case, how would the Centre have their names?

I also read that these Centres have protocol's to follow for unused jabs which involves making efforts to contact the no shows, and then contact people on lists of who they should call first. It stated that CFC would be at the bottom of the list. Fit 20 year olds are very rarely vulnerable.

Apparently none of CFC's furloughed players or staff were contacted. How would the Centre be able to make the distinction between CFC players/staff that were furloughed and those that were not?

Who would have made the decision to only get the active players vaccinated? CFC? If so, are they qualified to make that decision? Maybe a furloughed players was more vulnerable than an active player? Was that even considered?

Jury is still very much out on this one!

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on no more CFC players or its staff being contacted by the Centre in the future. If that is the case, that in itself speaks volumes.

Of course, that's if it is what happened previously, and nobody with a certain degree of knowledge of  how managing supply chains work, exploited the system.   :dontknow:

Bludy 'L, I only came on here looking for opinions on Alex Kiwomya, a player I rated highly when fit.
When I saw the third post on this thread I had to correct the wrongs this post contained.

Any way, your first paragraph I dont think any right minded person would think this lady had been compromised and she would take any action to do so. It's quite clear from the comments made with the donations made that they have been made, in thanks of work down  by the staff and to stick 2 fingers up to our ex odious director and despicable journalism.

You waffle on about what you have read, well name sources to give credence to what you try to imply. The Mirror, Mail and our local rag  are the only ones to cover it so far (the Telegraph are covering it today apparently) If you are taking things of other social media platforms (I dont). Well enough said.

You ask questions of which CFC,  staff have had the jabs what's it matter someone as benefited rather than waste the vacine and further down the line these will not need doing.

You mention protocols, well isn't that well covered in the press release in my previous post ( made accessible by Admin thanks) However if you want song and verse on protocols I've heard them all from my daughter she's helping out albeit in Poole. One of the main problems is finding replacements for  no shows in the last couple of hours which rules out alot of candidates at the moment ie initial electronic form filling, transport etc.

I don't get your point re supply chain, but no doubt it's a logistical!!  nightmare for some.

Not sure who the jury are, you can have the casting vote.

I did say the fund raising page was probably well intended. To offer someone involved a financial reward, even retrospectively, is just plain crazy in circumstances such as this. Any right minded person should see that.

Obviously CFC can do no wrong and should never be questioned. No answer to the important questions such as how the Centre have the CFC contacts names, and why certain CFC personell were vaccinated before other,  other than "what's it matter"? The answer to that one is "open and honest".

I'm not implying anything. I was just asking questions. When you start going down this route and make accusations of people implying things, it appears very defensive.

Well done to your daughter for helping out in Poole and informing you chapter and verse on the Protocols. That must be very useful.

Theres two sides to the Media reporting but sounds as if people should only take notice of one. CCG was one source quoted in one of the articles.

When I say the jury is out, what I'm saying is that there's certainly enough questions raised to warrant the investigation that is apparently going to be made.

Given the all clear from that then,  it's not a problem.


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General Discussion / Re: Game off.
« on: February 05, 2021, 09:54:07 PM »
A fund raising page may have had good intentions, but obviously was not thought all the way through. It put the person who is supposed to have contacted CFC or its players for vaccination in a difficult situation.

So many contradictory stories on the CFC players  being given the jab. Also it looks like this is not the first time CFC players and staff have been offered and received the jab. I read that the CFC players and staff who were given the jabs were contacted directly. If that's the case, how would the Centre have their names?

I also read that these Centres have protocol's to follow for unused jabs which involves making efforts to contact the no shows, and then contact people on lists of who they should call first. It stated that CFC would be at the bottom of the list. Fit 20 year olds are very rarely vulnerable.

Apparently none of CFC's furloughed players or staff were contacted. How would the Centre be able to make the distinction between CFC players/staff that were furloughed and those that were not?

Who would have made the decision to only get the active players vaccinated? CFC? If so, are they qualified to make that decision? Maybe a furloughed players was more vulnerable than an active player? Was that even considered?

Jury is still very much out on this one!

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on no more CFC players or its staff being contacted by the Centre in the future. If that is the case, that in itself speaks volumes.

Of course, that's if it is what happened previously, and nobody with a certain degree of knowledge of  how managing supply chains work, exploited the system.   :dontknow:


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General Discussion / Re: Game off.
« on: February 05, 2021, 08:09:46 PM »
So why did the person call CFC? What's the connection there?

Right place right time. You have to admit that sounds very convieient and hardly surprising that people questioned it.  Was the person at the Centre given the heads up by a CFC official that the squad and staff were available?

And are you saying that the person at the call centre is now going to be financially rewarded via a just giving page?   :dontknow:

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General Discussion / Re: Game off.
« on: February 05, 2021, 06:31:41 PM »
Looks like Chesterfield wonít have to worry about games being called off, going forward.

Ollie Bayliss
@Ollie_Bayliss

24m
A medical centre received angry calls & one staff member was threatened after players at Chesterfield FC were given Covid vaccines.

The club said some players and staff, "most of them vulnerable", were given jabs to stop them being wasted.

How convenient that so many of the Chesterfield players and staff were available at such short notice!

I bet the PR Company that the NL hired to try and get the Govt to change their mind on the Loans/grant saga won't mention this in their campaign.

Football Club and players just taking the p***.

And they want taxpayers money to prop up their Limited Companies!

Fake news, created by an ex-director and questionable journalism.

The director who played a big hand in our ungraceful fall from Div1 play offs to where we are now along with many alleged unscrupulous dealings. He got wind that CFC personnel had, had a lst minute call from a vacine centre and with malice aforethought contacted the press (mirror). Without investigation a story concocted to vilify footballers is great 'click bait' and along with the mail published a corrupt story.

The vacine centre published an excellent statement (I havent mastered the copy and paste facility on here ) explaining every avenue  they'd  explored to use unused vacine before approaching CFC. On reading this  the Mail to their credit produced another article this morning under the banner "Chesterfield are not the bad guys" (apologies can't copy etc)

It's unfortunate that the jealousy of a failed ex director, but more so absolute abysmal journalism caused an hard working employee to receive threatening phone calls ( by who one may ask).
To this end members of CFC forum (the equivalent of this ) decided to buy her some flowers and opened a just giving page, it wont be daffs, at the last look after 3 hours of running £1,750 had been raised. However its doubtful the press will focus on the good coming out of adversity.

If anyone is bored due to no pub visits you can glean all aspect of this farce on the CFC forum known as Bob's Board, (google Bob's Board CFC)   it might be wise not to focus on the thread concerning the car break down returning from tuesdays none match!!!

Cheers
.

Thanks for the update.

So, no queue jumping as far a CFC concerned, and CFC players and staff didn't get vaccinated ahead of other people (end of the day unused vaccine or not)?

Maybe someone at the club is involved in supply chain management, so know how these things work?


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General Discussion / Re: Resolutions
« on: February 05, 2021, 06:27:29 PM »
Won't happen.

The Government has said it won't see clubs go the wall.



I think that very much depends how you read that.

If the Govt offers a loan and Club's refuse to accept it, what can the Govt do?


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General Discussion / Re: Resolutions
« on: February 05, 2021, 04:02:07 PM »

Surely if things have got this bad then the Club should look at some severe short term cuts.

What, like thousands of other businessís have had to do?

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General Discussion / Re: Resolutions
« on: February 05, 2021, 01:38:31 PM »
I remember our owner saying it was time for a reset before a ball was kicked in terms of playing budgets etc.   What did he do ?  Sod all just steamed ahead spunking 84k a month on a playing budget that sees us with a 21 man squad and sitting 4th bottom.

Sometimes you reap what you sow.

Some people claim "they work better alone".

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General Discussion / Re: Resolutions
« on: February 05, 2021, 01:22:55 PM »
That I think is exactly what the issue is from the governments perspective......IF things are really this bad......when they see the last grant handed out being spent on transfers and lord only knows what wages.......they probably are right to be sceptical.....as B&G said in a previous post there's enough money sloshing about in football for this to be sorted in house.....it looks like whether the season at NL level ends or continues is going to come down to a bit of brinkmanship between the government and chairmen/owners.
 :dontknow:



Why should the Govt give them grant money, when the NL won't do it themselves?

I seem to remember that the NL had access to funds which they could distribute to the clubs in any form they wished, but they wanted it back so were only prepared to arrange it via loans. The repayment would have been taken from future prize money. Not ideal, but surely a workable plan.

Lets not forget many of the Clubs were struggling financially before the Pandemic started. A self made crisis in many cases. If any grants are made available, hopefully the "open books" policy when applying for grants, will sort  those out with a genuine need and those who were already on the brink due to "living the dream".

My thoughts are that its time for football to help itself.

 

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General Discussion / Re: Resolutions
« on: February 05, 2021, 12:07:10 PM »
Rather than jeopardise the future of the Football club, and with no relegation.  Why doesnít SC furlough the contract players, release the non Contract players and just play the Reserve team players.   Least that way the Club can limp through to the end of the season then hopefully be in a position to regroup in readiness for that start of next season.

Billericay Town on Saturday's match:

"To maintain a financially stable position, and to ensure that our contracted players can remain furloughed with income, we'll be fielding a team comprising of our existing 5 non-contracted players & our u23 side".


Would they be allowed to do this under the present lockdown? If the Reserves are self employed in their capacity as Reserve players, then maybe. If they are just doing it for sport, and not receiving an income, surely they would be breaking lockdown rules?   :dontknow:

Non-elite players playing in an Elite league? Or do they automatically become Elite as soon as they are picked for the first team?  :dontknow:

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