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General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: June 17, 2020, 02:21:16 PM »
Radical plan coming up that will probably be stamped on rather than adopted, but here it comes.  The York crowd of 4K showed just what potential KLT have to attract very impressive crowds when “big games” turn up.  If we are fortunate enough to have last season’s incredible effort rewarded with promotion, “big games” will be available on a regular basis.  There are supporters and neutrals who are obviously able to pay the relevant price basically once a fortnight, to watch a home game.  The money they pay must be budgeted into their general life expenditure, and they have not had that outlay in recent weeks and months.  Here’s the rub...  From now on, why couldn’t or wouldn’t a high proportion of regular supporters start paying their usual entrance fee, money they have already shown they can afford, and are usually willing to pay.  If the average outlay in normal times is, say, £15 Per fortnight, would those  supporters be willing to start putting that money again into the club, into a special fund and account, at the rate of £15 a fortnight, having set up (usually digitally) a payment system.  What a boost to the club, the Chairman, and players that input would be, with a likely excellent season to follow (eventually !).  Ironically, I don’t believe football should re-start until the virus is vanquished - but we could do this to build the club in a big way....   I’ll sit back for the brickbats !

DD, appreciate the thought and as Mallard says under Trust run ownership (Chester / Darlington) this sort of thing has worked elsewhere - whether it is the mindset of the west Norfolk population or the current ownership model is open to debate but there doesn't seem to be the support for this sort of initiative at the club on any sort of scale. 

I really do think that we need the FotL to step into this role but this will also need buy in from both the fan base and the current owner.  FotL had a number of fundraising schemes last season that had 'patchy' uptake so I guess we have to wait and see what they come up with for next season and whether the fans will find one to really get behind.

General Discussion / Re: Next season's squad
« on: June 16, 2020, 01:47:59 PM »
Reports are that Gloucester are benefitting from moving back to the town having been away for a long time so extra investment / sponsorship being made available.  On one of the national forums a Gloucester fan also said there has been a fair bit of churn so those lads are not 'additions' as such but replacing players who have left the club.

General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: June 16, 2020, 01:45:23 PM »
So, again, which League (EFL 1, 2, National, NLNorth or NLSouth will run 1 x Team short due to BURY FC being expelled 2019-20 Season  :dontknow:

Nonleague did try to answer this on another thread and whilst nothing is certain due to COVID19, in all likelihood a Bury team will be placed somewhere in the pyramid so hopefully nowhere will be a team short this coming season (obviously there could yet be further casualties anywhere from Championship down creating other 'spaces' but that is a separate issue). 

EFL divisions 1 is sorted by relegating one less than division 2 are promoting, division 2 will relegate just one with two coming up from the NL (to be confirmed this week?).  The expectation is that Bury will be placed in NLN (think there will be resistance on them being placed any higher) in which case there will only be 1 (or 3) relegated from NL with 2 (or 4) promoted into the NL.  Coming down will be Chorley (and Ebbsfleet & Fylde) so someone from the NLN will probably be reallocated to the NLS to even up the numbers.

General Discussion / Re: War Chest appeal.
« on: June 03, 2020, 01:33:52 PM »
Using the term War chest has just reminded me of something from a few years ago.

Does anyone know what happened to the war chest that certain people use to claim Buster was supposed to be building when he was at the Club?

If it ever existed as some claimed, did he leave it behind when he sold the Club?

Maybe that's why we keep digging the pitch up every off season - SC found a map with an X on it but hasn't located Captain Buster's "lost treasure" yet (now where is that pirate emoji?)

General Discussion / Re: War Chest appeal.
« on: June 03, 2020, 01:29:56 PM »
Only thoughts I have on why I can’t say. Maybe it should have been.

Sorry, didn't mean to put you on the spot and appreciate the FotL committee will make decisions which all individuals on the committee need to stand behind otherwise it would be chaos.  As for the length of people's arms / pockets I think that goes back to my original comment that this sort of fundraising isn't something that can be switched on like a tap, generally there needs to be an awful lot of work put in for, in all likelihood, relatively little reward before you get to a 'Darlington' situation where I guess they have a number of fans who 'expect' to dip their hands in their pockets every year.

General Discussion / Re: War Chest appeal.
« on: June 03, 2020, 08:30:52 AM »
Well if we want the club to move forward and keep better players coming in to strengthen the squad then to me it sounds a sound move ,and I will be surporting it with a donation

MAH, any thoughts on why this isn't a FotL initiative?

General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: June 02, 2020, 01:55:19 PM »
Not an overly positive view from Wycombe's chairman

Pretty negative throughout but if anyone is in doubt as to where some clubs are, this is the quote that stood out for me referring to non-football staff - "We are also recommending that they begin the search for alternative employment once furlough ends"

General Discussion / Re: War Chest appeal.
« on: June 02, 2020, 01:51:53 PM »
Personally I think this is a strange move at a strange time, there is so much uncertainty that making plans about budgets seems very premature, in addition looking at the club's retained list (some of whom are on two year deals) I really don't understand what we are planning for.

I see the press release refers to Darlington (a fan owned club?) who have raised a fantastic amount of money over the years including during the COVID lockdown.  Again we seem to be wanting to run before we can walk - seeing something that has worked elsewhere without really understanding it - this sort of fundraising doesn't come overnight, relationships need to be built and trust developed and for me this should all come under the FotL to be the 'face' of fans fundraising for things like the playing squad budget.

Sorry, this post isn't meant to be negative and I genuinely believe that the only way forward for non-league clubs is for fans to be far, far more involved and that includes those that can, sticking their hands in their pockets a bit more but it can't just be a case of writing a press release saying we have set a target of £50K and waiting for the money to come rolling in

General Discussion / Re: Next season's squad
« on: May 30, 2020, 01:44:09 PM »
Ward is the one that has struck me as odd, with Fryatt gone. Fryatt is clearly the better player, makes me wonder if Fryatt wanted to go elsewhere, or if his injury has permanently crocked him. Either would be a shame for such a long-serving player...

Game of opinions LL, for me I would have Ward well above Fryatt but appreciate other people look for different qualities.  Personally I think Fryatt was a good defender at step 3 but struggled stepping up to NLN, Ward certainly isn't a nailed on step 2 player but more capable of holding a place in the squad, if we move up to NL then I would worry but same could be said of others in that retained list.

General Discussion / Re: Next season's squad
« on: May 30, 2020, 10:47:45 AM »
We have posted our 'retained list' here although it doesn't include Pedro who signed at the same time as Hawkins and Gash who was reported as signed earlier in the week which is a bit strange.

I guess the focus will be on Marriott's omission but I still think we haven't got the balance right when it comes to offering long term deals - I assume Kelly (who really ended up as a squad player last year) and Southwell (who didn't look the part either against us for Boston or in a Lynn shirt) are only on the list because of multi-season deals?  When you look further up the pyramid, the COVID situation has shone a light on div 2 where it seems lots of players are signed year to year, we are two steps below that (OK it could end up being one if the NL ever make a decision) but seem keen to offer multi year contracts.  Think we need to concentrate on the 'here and now' not the potential prospect of a 'big pay day' should a player go on to a higher level.

General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: May 29, 2020, 01:43:09 PM »
Can kicked down the road for another week, EFL now going to vote on the 8th June.  Ian Dennis on Twitter saying NL are happy to wait for the outcome before deciding what they will do.  Given how long they are taking to conclude the 2019-20 season, heaven only knows how long they are going to take in sorting out arrangements for the 2020-21 season

General Discussion / Re: Next season's squad
« on: May 26, 2020, 02:18:39 PM »
Mallard, think your 20-30% reduction might end up on the low side unless the PFA are somehow proven right in all this, I think the cuts could (and should) be much greater if football does take this opportunity to get its house in order - Dagenham & Redbridge MD on the BBC saying he isn't signing players for next season until he has more confidence on when it will be

Of course, we don't know if those who are signed with Lynn are on reduced contracts compared to last year but given that it looks like there will be a shake up of some sort and we still don't know what league we will be in or when the 20/21 season will get underway we do seem to have a lot of players already signed up.  Did you see in the NLP this week about the lad leaving Darlington and looking for a club nearer his Bedfordshire home?  Looked the sort that might fit the current profile although with Jones signed not sure we are looking but if we are promoted I think right back is probably an area that would need strengthening.

General Discussion / Re: Next season's squad
« on: May 25, 2020, 12:45:54 PM »
... Just comes down to clubs voting if they want to play behind closed doors if fans are not viable for rest of the year.

How are clubs possibly going to pay players if some (or all) of the 20/21 season is behind closed doors?  Might be viable at EFL with TV revenue from above and massive adjustments to wage costs but really can't see how it adds up at NL, let alone NLN & NLS level.  Steps 2 and 3 are probably the hardest to accommodate - step 4 is probably OK to allow attendances as they will naturally be less risky but the wide variation in traditional attendance figures at steps 2 & 3 would need very careful management.  Currently step 1 has a TV deal so this would in part allow for some income coming into clubs.  In all of the above the other main question would be around testing of players and that may make any discussion on fan safety irrelevant there isn't a sensible and cost effective way of securing player safety.

In light of all the above uncertainly we carry on signing players and SC said in the recent podcast that both Smith and Carey were signed on two year deals, lets hope we see them play at some point in that time!

General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: May 25, 2020, 12:35:53 PM »
Interesting article B&G and the guy talks a lot of sense.  Everyone seems to be slowly coming round to the idea that the world will look a different place when we can finally go back to worrying about matters on the pitch but the PFA seem to be the last in the queue to accept this new reality and are certainly not being 'part of the solution', at least for now.  Hopefully Leagues 1 & 2 will be resolved this week although think they have cleverly put the relegation of Stevenage back to the NL in saying they will only relegate IF the National League guarantee they will run next season and who knows when they will be able to confirm that? 

I am still not sure there is the money to justify playoffs the lower down you go, when you hear the costs involved in setting up testing and also bringing players back for one or two games it becomes increasingly unviable the lower down the pyramid you get so there has to be a cut off at some point and I think it may be NL level with step 2 play offs cancelled, the question then would be would the NL relegate any (with just Wealdstone promoted due to the Bury 'gap'), 1 (Wealdstone & KL promoted) or 3 (Wealdstone, KL and the runners up of NLS/NLN all going up)

General Discussion / Re: Next season's squad
« on: May 20, 2020, 01:51:06 PM »
Jones is now the latest confirmed returnee.  Nothing against any of the lads who have been signed but given that it looks like there may be a fair bit of upheaval further up the pyramid and we don't know when next season will start, or what league we will be in, I do think it might have been better to adopt a 'wait and see' policy for at least the next few weeks. 

Also saw Alfie Payne was released by Norwich, personally I would have him back in a snap - the better of the two loanees from up the A47 imo and seemed a really good fit for how IC likes to play.  I guess he will keep his options open in case he can to find a full-time option elsewhere but lack of game time last year probably wouldn't have helped his cause.

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