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General Discussion / Re: Lynn win
« on: May 03, 2022, 06:02:15 PM »
Bob  or no ?

Your hope maybe well founded  I just cannot see any kind measure from the past that leads you to that conclusion.   If anything quite the opposite.  Look at the numerous false dawns that have been put out there in the past.  Have a read of the programme notes, a listen to the podcasts.  It does paint a sorry picture.

Mall, you know what they say - 'it's the hope that kills you'.  In all seriousness, you may well be right and I know of plenty who think the current regime is incapable of change and I don't think B&G or myself have concluded that any, let alone all, of the necessary changes will definitely happen, merely that we hope some do. 

From a personal point of view, the biggest change the club could make, at least in the short term, is developing a better relationship with the fanbase.  This doesn't need to be seats on the board (because there isn't a board) but there are plenty of recommendations in the Crouch report and good practice elsewhere in football (at our level) to draw upon that would benefit both the club and fans.

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General Discussion / Re: Lynn win
« on: May 03, 2022, 02:14:35 PM »
Now lets hope lessons have been learnt, and that solid foundations are put in place for the future rather than trying to build something on sand and a quick fix. Hopefully the Club management don't get carried away and try to do too much too soon.

Personally I'd rather go for long term sustainability, even if it means remaining at step 2 for a couple of seasons, and not go for a "flying by the seat of your pants" promotion push, with all the dangers that could involve (and I understand that's a difficult balancing act).

I don't know what our financial state is compared to other Clubs at step 2, but with that 500k loan to service I think its fair to say the Club has a financial hole to dig itself out of. Our gates next season should be higher than many of our competitors but unless they have got similar debts to service, the income we generate compared to many of them will be nullified.

A couple of seasons of consolidation will also give the new Sales Director a fighting chance. He/she has probably got a tougher job than Tommy has! Hopefully the person that takes this on will also be given the chance to prove what they can build, and not be judged on the results after only two or three months in the job. There's lots of bridge building to do there if its going to be a success.

FOTL and Trust now working together, and that appears to be mainly down to the new blood on the FOTL committee, and joint ventures no longer being blocked from that quarter.

Lots to look forward to, despite the relegation.   :scarf:

Agree with all of the above, hopefully the more positive end to the season (relegation was always likely when TW joined with only Aldershot's mid season collapse taking things this late in the season) will encourage SC to schedule in another fans forum.  He has always gone for the quick fix option and encouraged the 'EFL dream' but maybe having had his fingers burnt by two 'difficult' years in the NL, if more fans turned up with comments like those expressed above we might take a different path, appreciate SC might still want to do his own thing, his way but maybe he he will see this as an opportunity to reset.

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General Discussion / Eastleigh 30th April
« on: April 29, 2022, 01:34:26 PM »
So, aside from Downham and some local football there is also a game at the Walks tomorrow.  We are finally at the 'must-win' stage as anything less will confirm the inevitable, that said Eastleigh would have been one of the sides in our mini 'bottom third' league that we needed maximum points from when the fixtures came out so hopefully TW and the team can secure the three points and if Notts County (who also have something to play for) do their bit TW can carry on being optimistic for another couple of days.

Hoping rather than expecting to see KB in the starting lineup but other than that I guess it will be similar lineup as of late, at least the lads will have had a break after looking completely dead on their feet with half an hour to play vs Grimsby which made the lack of substitutes a little baffling

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General Discussion / Re: Is tonight the night ?
« on: April 27, 2022, 02:47:46 PM »
If we had had Tommy from the Start I don’t think we would have been in this position but has it is I think I can hear the orchestra warm up to play Rule Britannia and whose that peeking around the corner oh no it’s the Fat Lady

PPG would suggest otherwise and although I appreciate TW didn't inherit a NL standard squad, I guess the debate is whether, with all the many additions he has brought in, both signings and loans, do we have a squad that could have stayed up and from a personal point of view I think it would have been no more than a possibility rather than a probability.  Not sure how many of the current signed players would get spots at other NL clubs and whilst all clubs can have 'marginal' players in their squads when it's the bulk of your starting XI it's pretty difficult to have any sort of success

...Players showed spirit under TW for most of the 2nd half of the season, which very often wasn't the case under the previous management.

They did but, as TW himself has said, effort should be a basic requisite at any level and although he did also get better performances out of some of the players than IC it was always going to be a tall order for that squad to retain NL status.

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Couple of documents for those who have a bit of time to kill
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-next-steps-towards-delivering-major-reform-of-football-in-england
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1071065/Assessing_the_financial_sustainability_of_football__web_accessible_.pdf

The second one is a great explanation of what sustainability doesn't look like and what the regulator (and fans) should be looking at.

Couple of responses to the government proposals here from the EFL and the Football Supporter Association:
https://www.efl.com/news/2022/april/fan-led-review-statement/
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/fan-led-review-fsa-urges-government-to-move-fast-and-legislate/

All in all, I don't think many will have moved their position with yesterdays announcement, whilst Tracey Crouch can be pleased that the proposals in her report have been included in the White Paper the EPL are still against an independent regulator and will now have another chance to water down any proposals as they are discussed over the summer.

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Hopefully those Clubs with a Trust  interest will be ahead of the game.

It isn't really a Trust / private ownership issue, there are good and bad examples under both models, as explained by Niall Couper (director of Fair Game) in one SC's recent podcasts.  I guess the only real benefits under the Trust model is that borrowings can't get out of hand and the fanbase (or at least the Trust membership) can more easily effect change if deemed necessary.  The biggest issue for Trust run clubs is trying to compete on what is currently an uneven playing field with the level of financial doping that non-Trust run clubs can commit to and if the club subsequently goes pop all we hear about is the fans of the club that goes bust, not the fans of the club that has suffered due to that financial cheating (other clubs missed out on promotion while Histon etc had their days in the sun)

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Unfortunately this has the makings of still being kicked into the long grass as the white paper will be open to lobbying, the financial redistribution seems to have been thrown back for football to sort out itself (having shown time and time again that it can't) and there still isn't a timetable for any form of legislation, other than that it is good that the government have at least recognised there is a problem but we just need to keep the pressure on them to turn words into legislation and then action.

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General Discussion / Re: Who to retain
« on: April 21, 2022, 05:52:37 PM »
What about the lads from the Academy who were recently given contracts plus the players we have out on loan ( 4/5?)

I guess the same caveats apply, particularly re the managers position.  I'm not sure how useful Fleming's spell at Lowestoft was but he could probably do a job at NLN, likewise Gyasi has had game time at Dover which is what he lacked at Lynn and as for the academy lads, I guess it will be down to the manager to look at them pre-season as none of us have seen enough of them at the appropriate level to really form an opinion.

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General Discussion / Re: Who to retain
« on: April 21, 2022, 04:14:05 PM »
AXV, a couple of key questions before thinking about who to retain, are we going to be full or part time next season and who is likely to be the manager.

For me, given the financial situation and the fact that pretty much the whole squad (including the loanees) needs to change we might as well revert to part-time sooner rather than later and probably stay that way even if promotion could be achieved.  As for the manager, that maybe for a different thread.

So hopefully we could retain both Jones and Clunan due to their location / circumstances, I think Ross may get other offers to stay full time / NL but would keep him if we could, I wouldn't keep Widdrington and he really only stays if TW snr stays, agree with your comment on McFadden and his fitness which may well mean he has to think about part-time football, I think the same might apply to Coulson who I think would struggle to find a full-time contract next year but could be useful at NLN level.  Barrett is a tricky one, he certainly players better against lesser opponents but I am not sure he has what it takes to retain his fitness (such as it is) if we were to go part-time, that said, we may well keep him by default as pretty sure both him and Omotayo were given multi year deals when they joined.  Probably a few other players potential on multi year contracts to consider but I think Bird and Bowry would probably both find places at NL clubs.  Of the rest, I think you could make a case for retaining Denton and/or Scott although whether either would commit if we did go part time and based on our location is another matter.

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General Discussion / GEAR
« on: April 16, 2022, 11:46:57 AM »
Just a quick post about those fundraising at GEAR in a couple of weeks. 

Hopefully many will be supporting the crowd of 8:56 Foundation runners who are doing a great job in raising awareness as well as funds to support mental heath - more info here https://856foundation.org.uk/team-856-have-entered-gear-22/

On a slightly smaller scale I will be raising money for the St Johns to get some more kit to support the fans on match days at the Walks, please feel free to come and find me at the game on Monday if you can spare a couple of quid


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General Discussion / Re: Grimsby at Home Easter Monday
« on: April 16, 2022, 11:38:20 AM »
Can't see this beating the Southend attendance, even with the potential for more away fans.  Hope TW rotates a bit and sets up to have a go at Grimsby, certainly start K-B and maybe Walker/Charles in a 4-3-3 but guess that would mean leaving jnr out so maybe less likely.  Decision to make at right back, does he give Hickman yet more NL minutes he doesn't justify, play Aaron who looks completely out of sorts or bring back Sundire who didn't have the best of games last time out, maybe give Fernandez a run out?

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General Discussion / Re: Yeovil
« on: April 09, 2022, 10:40:40 PM »
Fair result in the end, like TW I thought it was a penalty to them but we came back into the game with a great goal by Clunan and did enough to at least be level by half time and a bit of fortune meant we went in with the lead against 10 men.  Basically we didn't come out for the second half and I don't remember their keeper having to make a save after the break.  I was looking for four points from these two home games which is what we got, the disappointing thing was seeing Aldershot get a confidence boosting win today, tough couple of games over the bank holiday but at least the effort is there from most of the squad

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General Discussion / Re: Cleeve article in edp
« on: April 09, 2022, 11:17:42 AM »
https://www.edp24.co.uk/stephen-cleeve-3389614


Today’s SC column.   Record shirt sponsorship already in place for next season.  He doesn’t let the grass grow

I know SC has column inches to fill but what a load of cobblers, I appreciate SC does understandably view things purely from a KLT perspective but to ask the league to look at swapping fixtures at this date should rightly fall on deaf ears.  On a more positive note it is good that the sponsorships are in place which should allow the new commercial manager a bit more time to sort out match day sponsors rather than have SC go to Twitter on the week of a game and ask if anyone wants to take the weekends fixture (as happened again this week).  Not sure that the club wants to go down the NFT route (different views on the success or otherwise of Liverpool's recent experience) but we do need income from somewhere so I guess SC has to look at every opportunity.

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General Discussion / Re: travel to Notts County
« on: April 07, 2022, 05:16:43 PM »
Mall, you are not comparing like with like.  Twisted Melon is a business in 'the industry' and obviously have some sort of track record / experience in this sort of thing and to a degree can afford to take the odd punt on an act based on that experience.  The FotL on the other hand don't seem to have that experience or the contacts to put on events like this, that isn't a criticism as much as a statement of the skillset of the volunteers that form the committee, they also don't have huge financial reserves to 'speculate to accumulate' and really would the membership want their subs spent running speculative music events or (for example) something closer to the fanbase as a whole such as away travel and/or something similar to Gavin's Paul Merson evening?

Unfortunately, like a lot of things at the club, people (on the outside) seem to expect 'instant success' which isn't easy with an inexperienced committee that inherited a depleted membership post-lockdown and with much of the fanbase that, for a variety of reasons, seems less willing to support the existing regime (and by association the FotL).  Personally I think the best they can do for the rest of the season is try and do all they can to increase the membership for next season, maybe run one or two 'easy win' (minimal expense, maximum participation) events and see where they are at the AGM in August.


Tony, everyone committee/ Fund raising has to start somewhere.  Maybe dip the toe in the matter to gain that experience.  Find a sponsor to underwrite a couple of ‘Evenings with’

The easiest thing is to do is nothing. I have offered a couple of fund raisers in the past and been prepared to underwrite ( with others) any loses.  Both times the ideas fell on deaf ears.  How many times can people make these kind of offers before losing interest.

Maybe an approach people with the skill sets needed to help out in the short term might be another forward.  After all the worst that could happen could be no.  There are people around the Club who have made good money for the Club in the past.   Got to be worth a phone call ?

Reading these two post's I had to smile to myself.

No disrespect to either of you, but these is a age old problems in business..........................."When Accountancy meets Sales and Marketing".    :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:

No disrespect taken at my end, just an apology for being 'too sterotypical' ;). 

I try not to be the 'no' department and Mall, I am far from suggesting the FotL do 'nothing' between now and the end of the season, but I just don't think competing with Twisted Melon and/or Gavin Caney's events is necessarily the right option at this point in time, better to have a couple of events that will attract the existing / potential membership and prove the FotL relevance / value to encourage more members for 2022/23

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As someone who has always (and continues) to buy a programme I can see this from both sides and can appreciate that the days of a paper programme are numbered, particularly at non-league level where lower volumes mean it will be harder and harder to justify the cost involved.  SC is of a similar age to me and is very keen on programmes himself so there is an emotional as well as a commercial aspect to why we have continued with a paper programme up until now but maybe it could be something that needs changing for next season when he does his post-season review, although I think he would still want some sort of medium (other than the EDP) to communicate to the fanbase.

Personally I liked the Boston approach of a programme plus the teamcard (for a £1 that went towards the youth set up) and maybe that is the way to go with the programme element moving across to a digital platform (dare I mention NFTs)

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