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General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: April 22, 2020, 06:07:50 PM »
Not seen anything official, but my guess is that now that the pressing situation with clubs and player contracts, particularly at step 2 where they finish in April, has been resolved the National League can now take their time to resolve what happens.  My money is on them taking a 'waiting to see' approach and then provide some options once the position in the EFL is clearer.

General Discussion / Re: Chairman's podcast
« on: April 22, 2020, 01:56:35 PM »
Latest on Twitter

"@BBCRadioManc understands Oldham Athletic have asked players to move onto the furlough scheme or face redundancy. The Latics are not willing to top up wages above 80% meaning those earning above £2,500 per month face significant pay cut. "

Think this may just be the start, although Oldham were always likely to be fairly near the front of the queue on this.  Much as employment law should protect players the truth is that if clubs don't have the money they can't pay the wages.  That's why it needs a 'higher level' arrangement thought the EFL, National League, FA and PFA to sort some sort of compromise rather than lots of individual agreements, this looks like a decent start - extract below with particular emphasis on final sentence

"As a result of these discussions, it has been agreed that the EFL and PFA will form a working group of six club captains/PFA Delegates from League One and Two, supported by a representative nominated by the PFA, to engage in dialogue in respect of players’ wages. While the working group will not be a formal negotiating body, it will help to ensure that players are fully informed as they continue to hold discussions with individual clubs.
In establishing the new group, the EFL and PFA acknowledge the common problems faced by the League and it's member clubs, and the need for all parties to be part of a solution. Dialogue with the working group will enable the League both to listen to the concerns of players and to explain the extent of the financial challenges. It will focus not just on the short term (May and June) but will address the medium-term position from the start of July onwards and into next season."

Without wishing to add to the doom and gloom, quick article from AFC Fylde chairman  with the key takeaway being that he (rightly) says "it’s morally wrong for me to ask all my managers in my, shall we say, ‘real business’, to take pay cuts, or to furlough people on the government scheme, and to have to terminate some people, while at the same time fund my football club – which, as I explained, of that 95 percent is wages – and to pay every single player full wages"

General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: April 22, 2020, 01:29:04 PM »
Certainty at last as the National League clubs vote to end the season

Glad to see sense prevailed and they announced this before all votes were in after Exeter said in the NLP that they didn't think clubs should be voting on something like this so wouldn't - could easily have increased the wait for clubs at step 2 who now know their season (and contracts) can come to an end at the right time.

General Discussion / Re: Chairman's podcast
« on: April 22, 2020, 08:47:47 AM »
...The PFA and FA may well be involved in such discussions, but a contract is a contract. The fact that its a football contract makes no difference and they will be subject to contractual law. If FA, PFA and Clubs just try to cancel contracts, I can see the Players, Agents and their Solicitors being busy in the coming months...
B&G, I take the point but football contracts are not 'normal' employment contracts - employers and employees can't just walk away from them in the way that would apply to the rest of us with a bit of notice.  Hence the PFA need to be involved and unfortunately they don't have a great record at 'looking at the wider picture' but football needs them to accept that the 'reset button' needs to be pressed and they need to be part of the solution.  Now I can't say how it 'should' pan out but when there is lots of talk about a number of clubs looking at the administration route to get from under player contracts as the reality of the impact of this virus on future income starts to become more and more apparent.

General Discussion / Re: Chairman's podcast
« on: April 21, 2020, 05:27:32 PM »
...Tony, did I read it correctly that all Lynn players ( loaners apart) are all on contract until the end of April 2021 ?  So much for what the guy from Havant was saying about earnings as far as Lynn are concerned.

The quote from SC on Twitter was:
"Accept the 2 year contracts situation certainly in this current situation not ideal - we only  have 4 players who are contracted from next season for 2 years the rest are just next season only so we can live with it (I hope)"

I suppose the key words are 'the rest' but would take it that we have a good chunk of this years squad already on contract for next year and four on contract until the end of 21-22 season - absolute madness for a step 2 side. 

It's all well and good people talking about 'pressing reset' and the like (and I would certainly be in favour of wholesale changes throughout the leagues) but this is where the FA and the PFA need to show some leadership and come to some sort of arrangement where pre-COVID contracts can be cancelled by clubs to allow them to survive.  Yes individual players may end up potentially losing out but I feel that is a price worth paying to avoid seeing a whole raft of clubs at all levels of the pyramid going into administration as their only route out of these contracts. 

Again I think this would have to come hand in hand with some form of salary cap from the Championship all the way down to NLN / NLS, would rather see that than a more robust 'fit and proper' test as that has proven to be very difficult to implement even in the woolly form it is now.

General Discussion / Re: Chairman's podcast
« on: April 21, 2020, 01:51:41 PM »
Tony,  what did you think of the Blyth Spartans ideas on re-structuring at EFL 2 and National Leagues in this weeks NLP?

Certainly made a lot of sense and worth further thought by the powers that be.,   Not sure they would be a great advantage to Clubs like Lynn who are stuck out on limb, but hasn’t that always been the case.

I read the article and can see why it would appeal to them - Blyth is a bloody long way from lots of places so the more regional things are the better off they will be, conversely for KLT we would probably be as well off in the National as we would National North in terms of travelling.  Likewise, elsewhere in the BBC article that B&G has referenced Andy Pilley from Fleetwood is suggesting making leagues 1 AND 2 regional (again citing travelling costs)

Unfortunately there is now such a huge gap between each of the divisions from steps 1-5, mainly through the distortion of TV money that it is difficult to row back from, although I would question whether the country can support 5 divisions of 'full-time' football clubs, post COVID.  Certainly a case for decreasing the sides in the Championship to (say) 20 where TV money forms a bigger slice of club income compared to gate receipts ie loss of 3 home fixtures would have a lesser impact.  Division 1 needs supporting from above as its unlikely to secure its own TV deal so will always have to live off the scraps from above but again if that was it for 'league' football then maybe that could be made to work financially.  If you then made the current div 2 the pinnacle of non-league (possibly full time) then that could survive with a smallish BT type deal, then make everything below part-time within a regional structure.  The biggest thing for me is that whatever rises from the rubble is that it is built on sustainability and for me that means two things - a salary cap at each level (all the way down to the top of part-time ie KLT) and proper, independent audit of club finances. 

General Discussion / Re: Chairman's podcast
« on: April 20, 2020, 05:35:27 PM »
...As someone said on the forum last week.....................the reset button is about to be pressed.

This is my worry about the contracts that SC has already handed out - the world may well be a different place but we could still be saddled with a pre-COVID wage structure, not only for 20-21 (whatever that may look like) but also for some player staff, into 21-22. 

General Discussion / Re: Chairman's podcast
« on: April 20, 2020, 01:46:47 PM »
Some interesting bits in the NLP this week with people finally waking up to the unsustainability of the model for most National League (inc N&S) clubs, and infact football in general, with Havent & Waterlooville's manager saying the days of £700-900/week for a player in non-league have gone.  The snippet in SC's podcast about 95% of players accepting they won't be paid until the 20-21 season starts (rather than 1st August) raised a concern with me and I got the following reply on Twitter in response to my dislike of 2 year contracts at step 2. 

"Accept the 2 year contracts situation certainly in this current situation not ideal - we only  have 4 players who are contracted from next season for 2 years the rest are just next season only so we can live with it (I hope)"

This looks like total madness (unless I am misreading it) but it appears we have 4 players who have got contracts that run into the 21-22 season?  I am sorry and I don't care who the four players are - NO player is worth a multi year contract at step 2 and the sooner a club higher up the food chain cancels all player contracts the better, because once one does it then many more will follow, particularly down the leagues.  Hopefully at that point the EFL AND the National League will both introduce proper salary caps and external audit requirements to stop the financial doping that lies behind the current model

General Discussion / Re: Chairman's podcast
« on: April 19, 2020, 11:09:23 AM »
Caught up on episodes 2 & 3 of SC's podcast yesterday with guests from South Shields and Wealdstone respectively.  Interesting and perhaps an unintentional common thread was how both advocated, at least an element of, supporter ownership.  South Shields are in a different position to KLTFC in that its seems that they own their ground (thanks to Geoff Thompson, their chairman) and their supporters share issue has been for ground development, essentially Geoff explained that he is diluting his ownership by issuing new shares not selling some of his shares for personal gain (reimbursement of investment) so all funds raised will be spent within the club.  Unfortunately the connection to Paul Rumens, the Wealdstone chap, broke up when he was explaining how their supporters were involved.

General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: April 19, 2020, 10:38:54 AM »
Also had a listen in to SC.    Seems like he sees the season will not start in Aug.  Plus with Euros next year the season will have to be pushed through at a fair old rate.  That’s if it gets underway at all.

Makes sense that Lynn won’t sell season tickets without knowing what League, how many games and when it will start.  Makes sense.

Sensible clubs are already selling season tickets for the next season. A valuable source of income in the current crisis.

Sorry Marcus, but I am with SC on this point.  As much as I think SC has made some 'questionable' financial decisions in his tenure, including 2 year contracts which he also addressed in his latest podcast, I think the decision not to sell season tickets is right on both the main reasons he cited -
    1) we have no idea what next season will look like in terms of its structure, although it seems unlikely it will be a 'full' season playing each side home and away
    2) using 'next seasons' money to prop up this season becomes a cycle that is then difficult to get out of
Obviously you could argue that these are exceptional times so need exceptional responses and I appreciate the cash shortfall experienced by many clubs needs to be plugged, just not sure season tickets is the right option

General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: April 18, 2020, 07:22:22 PM »
Just listened to SC's latest podcast.  His understanding is that the 4 NLN votes (and the corresponding NLS votes) are in effect a block vote based on the majority of those clubs ie if 12 NLN clubs vote in favour then that will be the 4 NLN votes in favour which go into the mix with the 4 from the NLS and the 24 National League side's votes.  Both SC and the chap from Wealdstone both confirmed that their club's have voted to end the season, SC also said he has asked that how each club votes should be made public, not sure what would be gained but he seems to think it is important.

General Discussion / Re: The big vote
« on: April 15, 2020, 06:23:14 PM »
Article in NLP gives the 7th May date but says a decision could be made sooner if clubs get their votes in.  My guess is that it is some sort of constitutional thing within the National League that there is something like a maximum time limit for postal votes that they have to abide by.

General Discussion / Chairman's podcast
« on: April 10, 2020, 02:40:40 PM »
For those missing SC's programme notes, he has taken to the airwaves with a podcast.  As with his programme notes, could do with a bit of editing but he is one for saying things as he sees them, obviously this sometimes splits opinion but it is what it is. 

Link to listen here 

Three topics in the first 'episode' - COVID-19 and finishing the season, furloughing players and free transfers.  No surprises on SC's thoughts on the first item, second was interesting and probably shows why the PFA and pro-footballers have not had the best PR over the past couple of weeks and not sure I would agree with SC's thoughts on free transfers but interesting all the same

General Discussion / Re: Premier League £125,000.000 Donations
« on: April 10, 2020, 02:34:43 PM »
Not sure that 'fairness' is the overriding concern and probably merely reflects the relative running costs of the average team at each of the levels - Championship clubs will potentially be missing TV money as well as gate receipts so that probably accounts for the large difference.

Similar situation at National League level - the National clubs are getting £58333 whereas North and South sides are getting £13868, maybe a timely reminder for those looking for promotion as to what might be required to move up to step 1?

General Discussion / Re: BACK THE CLUB!!
« on: April 09, 2020, 01:59:59 PM »
Good news in the press today with the FotL making a £5K donation to the club

This is exactly what the FotL is for, maybe if they were more visibly promoted and/or more fans supported them then they could make many more meaningful contributions going forward.  Only negative in the press release was a completely unnecessary sentence about the Trust which shows a complete ignorance of the differences between the FotL and the B&G Trust and is hardly likely to help relations if and when football does come out of this lockdown.

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