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General Discussion / Re: The General Election and Football
« on: December 03, 2019, 06:21:30 PM »
[Sadly I think the current Trust board are setting themselves up to be seen as 'part of the problem'.

 :dontknow:   May I ask why?

It's only a personal opinion.  The GDF 'proved' that the Trust could do something practical to help the football club rather than being seen (by some) as 'anti' any owner of the football club (if it wasn't the Trust).  Fundraising events were held and the money raised has been used as a down payment on the turnstiles however, given that the funding for the ground improvements is still work in progress, I would have expected to see the GDF to continue.

Now if, hypothetically, funds can't be found to complete the required work in the timescale required to get FA approval for step 2 next year SC could point to a) the suspension of the GDF and b) the other funds held by the Trust and ask if the Trust is really there to help the club.  I appreciate (probably more than most) what is and isn't in the B&G Trust's constitution and how monies can be spent but the GDF was an ideal opportunity for the Trust to prove it is relevant and not just a protest group.

General Discussion / Re: The General Election and Football
« on: December 03, 2019, 05:31:29 PM »
...Food for thought to the Club closest to all our hearts ( I hope).  Would a Trust run Club at Kings Lynn be competing at the top of Step 2 and would we as fans be enjoying the style of Football we have the privilege of watching at the moment ? Sustainable under its current M.O.  not a chance.  So do we enjoy today and hang tomorrow or do we as fans try and get involved in helping the owner maintain this level?

I think it's talking about more fan involvement not necessarily full fan involvement.
Would the trust have got the club to step 2: no, but does the club need the supporters, through a fully engaged and proactive trust, to sustain the current level?  Project Linnets definitely needs a team effort but what that team looks like is open to question.

No surprise where I sit on this, although it don't think it should be in any political party's manifesto but preferably put forward as a private members bill so that all who feel they can support it do so without the nonsense of Politics (with a capital P) messing things up.  Personally I would be very keen on Supporter Trusts having the right to buy into a club but wouldn't have thought it would ever apply below the EFL.  As for TV money 'filtering down', I think the fact that this is even talked about shows that since the inception of the EPL the pyramid has been turned upside down and its no longer 'grassroots' football that supports the top of the game but the other way round.  Probably a 'better' way of sorting out football's mess would be an extension of the financial fair play model and far stricter rules on financial doping which could ultimately lead to more sustainable models being adopted at all steps in the pyramid.

As for our club, I think we could well be where we are today under a Trust run model as there were wasted years towards the end of Chapman's regime as the club stagnated whilst he found a buyer.  SC is gradually realising what his early promises will need financially to back them up and it isn't a pretty sight for a sole owner.  Fans can do their bit, particularly if the Trust decided to be 'part of the solution' and relaunch the GDF then we could all 'do our bit' for the most pressing financial hurdle - the ground improvements required to keep us at step 2 - sadly I think the current Trust board are setting themselves up to be seen as 'part of the problem'.

General Discussion / Re: Change of Name
« on: November 28, 2019, 10:59:11 PM »
Any reason for the proposed change of name?  Presume this would be something for the AGM next year?

General Discussion / Re: Hereford
« on: November 27, 2019, 01:23:24 PM »
Tony,  the gates are short of what most clubs enjoy in the National League.  Do you believe Kings Lynn ( and district) has the potential to support a Club in the top tier of Non League Football?
Currently no, in the future, possibly but getting to the numbers required will take time, hence...
You say that it would be beneficial to have a few seasons at this level to consolidate crowds.  What was the average crowd for the last time we played at this level when we were a very mediocre team at this level ? 
1058.  We are on our highest average attendance since 86-87 which is another reason to doubt there are another 500 fans just waiting for National League football to come to the Walks.  I don't doubt attendances would rise with higher profile opposition, greater away support etc but given the radical shake up required to the cost base and squad (how many could afford to or would even want to go full time) I can't see how the numbers add up
It’s a gamble which ever way we go.  It’s not like The Chairman can say to IC, I don’t want promotion this season.  If it’s on then surely the Club as a whole has to give it a real good go. 
I think that would be speculating for disaster not for accumulation.  I am not saying we 'throw games' but if we can't afford the current squad I hope SC resists any pressure to add to that burden after Christmas, at least until the ground improvements are complete and paid for, remember the last time we were at this level it wasn't results on field that got us relegated.
Think the commercial side failings are the Club have been well documented.  The thing is for the club to progress then we need all our ducks lined up in a row. We have to capitalise on every advantage we have.

Could the Chairman do more to bring in extra revenue ?
Could the fans do more to bring more friends, family etc ?
Could the media department do more to spread the word ?

If the answers to all the above is yes then that’s a start point.
All those questions were equally valid at the start of the season.  SC has been trying to bring in more income since he took over with variable success or are you now saying circumstances may mean he is willing to reduce his shareholding in an attempt to bring in more funds?  Fans should always be looking to introduce newcomers, particularly as we are so dependant on the financial doping of a single benefactor.  I know you have a 'problem' with the media dept, but we are where we are and unless/until we have a massive shake up behind the scenes I really don't see what is going to change and that certainly wouldn't be where I would start the changes

General Discussion / Re: Hereford
« on: November 26, 2019, 10:08:44 PM »
Great result tonight, don't think it should be underestimated what it takes to go that distance midweek and produce the performances/results that IC and his squad have been getting.  Back to the league Saturday so need to refocus but also hoping that we get a good crowd for Dover - real test and might be stretching some budgets with four consecutive Saturdays on the bounce, what can we (the fans) do to see the gate over 1500?

General Discussion / Re: Hereford
« on: November 26, 2019, 10:03:05 PM »
... whether the people of King’s Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level, even in reaching the EFL itself, even maintaining our current level.  Considering the incredible season we have had so far, we certainly shouldn’t be relying on travelling supporters to pull our attendance up to a thousand.  We either need to double the crowd or somehow obtain a proper commercial strategy and policy.

Stan, just for clarity, I would agree with the final sentence (prefer both) and to me it's pretty clear that currently there isn't sufficient support in the local area to support a National League side at the Walks.  Whether IC's team 'deserves' greater attendances is a moot point - the attendance is the number of people who are willing to pay to come and watch.  Yes, this could grow over time but it won't be an overnight fix and I think a period of 'establishing ourselves' at step 2 plus the odd cup run would be a realistic short term aim whilst consolidating the core supporter base.  I do totally agree with this part of DD's later post

...makes me think that perhaps we are not the “sleeping giant” we have always thought and boasted.  This is not pessimism or negativity, it is reluctant realism...

General Discussion / Re: Hereford
« on: November 26, 2019, 06:22:27 PM »
Too soon to be really worried, but realistically, the question is creeping into the background as to whether the people of King’s Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level, even in reaching the EFL itself, even maintaining our current level.  Considering the incredible season we have had so far, we certainly shouldn’t be relying on travelling supporters to pull our attendance up to a thousand.  We either need to double the crowd or somehow obtain a proper commercial strategy and policy.
Ok Tony (& Mallard) Dilly, in the post above raises the question of "whether the people of King's Lynn and surrounding area are truly interested in playing at national level." He is clearly talking about fans and attendances in that statement, suggesting that there is not enough demand in the community. By citing the fact that 10 National League clubs have attendances that are not much higher than Lynn's, for me is pretty clear evidence that our fan base is potentially a National League fanbase thus challenging his concern.
My post was not about whether the club has the financial or management infrastructure to cope with the National League. From what I can see, as an outsider, I would say that it doesn't and have said so on an earlier post when I agreed wholeheartedly with Mallard in that regard.
So, Gentlemen, I hope that clarifies my position and that we can all agree that the club does have a potentially National League fanbase but does not yet have the other essentials necessary to survive at Step 1.

Sorry Stan but you are twisting things to the point of complete nonsense - we are not in a similar position to some of the clubs you have compared Lynn with so therefore we don't have a 'National League' fanbase (whatever that may be) as Lynn's fanbase would have much more to cover than some other clubs - if we find a benefactor with really deep pockets who wants to subsidise the club for a year or two that still wouldn't change the fact, in the same way that ultimately Histon didn't have a National League fanbase as shown all too clearly when their benefactor pulled the finance. 

Owners will come and go (some sooner than hoped, some later) but we are probably playing at as high a level as the current fanbase and owner can support, particularly in light of SC's last two programme notes that attendance receipts are a good way shy of where he needs them to be.  Therefore the club has, at best, a 'National North' fanbase (there are currently 9 teams in our league with higher attendances if that makes you feel better)

General Discussion / Re: Hereford
« on: November 26, 2019, 01:48:08 PM »
... just remember that 10 sides in the National League function on attendances of 1,400 or less. Lynn aren't a million miles away from that.

OK Stan, looking at the current 'bottom 5' National teams in the attendance table, basically below 1300 which wouldn't be an unrealistic figure for us should we be promoted (certainly budgeting for anything above that would be very optimistic / reckless).  Three of these clubs (Boreham Wood, Harrogate & Maidenhead) have artificial surfaces available that looks like it provides an additional source of income - something not available to Lynn and a source of frustration to SC reading his notes from the weekend and Maidenhead also benefit from a peppercorn rent on their ground.  I would also guess that 4 of these 5 have a much greater opportunity commercially with maybe only Dover in a similar position to ourselves in terms of the surrounding business community.

So, 'could' we survive in the National, going full-time with all that would entail?  Unlikely in my view based on the current infrastructure at the club but I would accept that there are others currently plying their trade in the National who might provide some answers as to how it could be done in the future.  Btw all of the clubs in that bottom 5 look to have much better facilities than ourselves, maybe once the ground improvements for step 2 are secured this could be something again that is looked at although the Walks site doesn't make that easy, but might be a useful step towards attaining National league football.

General Discussion / Re: Hereford
« on: November 25, 2019, 01:23:24 PM »
Should be a good test as Dover have the best away record in league

Small matter of going to Hereford midweek to overcome first. 

As much as IC and his squad keep producing great results, maybe Saturday was a bit of a wake up call - we swapped a few in and out and that maybe combined with a slightly heavier pitch meant we weren't that fluent, particularly first half, IC changed the shape multiple times during the course of the game but I think the damage was done in how we started - looking to go long too early and we never really got into our stride.  We need to bring the likes of Carey through but it can be a pretty unforgiving environment at times, fans just need to be patient and accept that whilst we are a good side, we can't expect to turn teams over every week - particularly in a cup game where the opposition have set up to play for the replay from the off.

General Discussion / Re: Advertising/Marketing Opportunity
« on: November 22, 2019, 06:20:15 PM »
Seriously concerned that the bubble will ultimately burst when Ian Culverhouse moves on to pastures new. Still, nothing good lasts forever. And we should all enjoy it while we can.

 :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:

Clubs with true ambitions don't let their successful Managers leave!

 :scarf:  :clap:  :scarf:    :clap:

Ambitions need to be matched by cold, hard cash unfortunately and as we have seen in recent weeks the cracks are starting to appear on that front - not a criticism of SC, I had hoped his intervention would maybe focus some minds but maybe not.  Hopefully the situation can be managed this season to the point where the money can be found to pay for the ground improvements (fans could still play a part in this) and the club can remain at step 2 next season and have another year of consolidation and building the off-field infrastructure required.  Whether IC is prepared to 'sit tight' is up to him and I fully accept it would be one hell of a loss to see him go again but the club is already living way beyond its means and any more 'speculate to accumulate' would probably only result in one outcome

General Discussion / Re: Hereford
« on: November 22, 2019, 01:30:28 PM »
Do Lynn try for a strong run in the FA Trophy (make some money in the process) and consolidate a Top 7 spot or throw everything at a tilt at Top Spot?

Priorities for Lynn this season had to be:
1) securing our place at step 2 next season on the field - barring a complete meltdown IC & the team look like this will be comfortably achieved by Christmas
2) ensuring the ground meets the FA standard to avoid all the hard work on the pitch going to waste - partially complete in that planning application has been made and grant for bulk of the work secured.  GDF seems to have been and gone leaving the owner to pick up the balance of the tab, still remains to be seen if funds will be made available
3) For me a good run in either the Cup or Trophy is far more beneficial than 'focussing on the league'.  Not just in terms of generating extra funds but with the potential of a big 'day out' or visitor to the Walks generating a focus for putting the front and centre in people's minds.  We didn't have a bad run in the cup but still disappointed to go out to lower league opposition, Saturday is a chance to start another run, this time in the Trophy, and a win against Hereford could see us hosting a big Conference National side at the Walks next month and if we do progress tomorrow, I can't see many National clubs relishing that prospect

General Discussion / Re: Weekly raffle
« on: November 20, 2019, 08:36:44 AM »
50/50 seller now stops selling 5-10mins before kick-off as he now has to pay so wants to watch the whole of the game (perfectly understandably in my view), therefore has to get everything packed up and locked away to enable him to get to his place in the stands.  Assume the ladies who came round with tickets have taken the view that they didn't want to pay £15 to sell tickets?

I also don't think there needs to be 'another' raffle - people moan that there is too much focus on taking money from the existing fan base as it is, this would just be another drain on a depleted volunteer network and would it really raise that much?  Given the suggested prizes I think you would do well to break even, match day volunteers are stretched enough as it is and need to be directed to the most financially rewarding activities.

General Discussion / Re: Southport
« on: November 16, 2019, 10:47:08 AM »
I would be more than happy with a point today - record against top half sides is 2 wins, 3 draws and 2 defeats and with Gash missing we will have to adapt our style, not saying the players aren't capable of that but against a top 6 side away from home that is one more thing we could do without.  Would like to see Ward, Burrows and McAuley as a back three as I think we look a bit more solid with 3 at the back and a proper four across midfield, diamond might work against bottom six teams like Leamington but we have to be more compact without the ball against the better sides.

General Discussion / Re: Tonight’s Match
« on: November 15, 2019, 11:34:47 AM »
Les, I would suggest contacting the Friends committee ( as that is something they can probably co-ordinate both in terms of sourcing the half season ticket and then working out a method for choosing the 'lucky receiptient' each week (maybe a local junior coach or school in the hope that they might bring a few others with them?) but obviously that will be down to your wishes.  I know the club already have a scheme in place for those who struggle financially so would be great if the club could use your generous offer in a more promotional sense.

General Discussion / Re: Tonight’s Match
« on: November 14, 2019, 05:42:08 PM »
I can't ever recall the twelfth man scheme whatever it is being mentioned on here. As only 12 people have signed up it doesn't appear well publicised, I would suggest Tony, which was my point really.

Its been talked about on here since the start of the season, and probably prior to that.  I just checked my last 15 posts (click on my username) and it was mentioned in 3 of them!  It is also in the programme and I think there might be a poster up in the café, sorry not 100% as I signed up at the Friends AGM so don't go looking for it.  That isn't to say it couldn't be advertised better but I am not sure how else the Friends can get their message out, picking up on Blue Moon's point it can seem like taking more from the captive audience.

That said, I think the 12th man scheme is an great way for those who are happy to 'pay a bit more' to do so and in an ideal world that would grow to the point where it could cover the costs of the 'win bonus' thus allowing the club to budget that little bit better.  No way that is currently the case and I would guess the success on the field has meant we are ahead of SC's payroll budget although I do appreciate we are also probably ahead on attendances.

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