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General Discussion / Re: Tai Fleming
« on: August 26, 2021, 05:24:02 PM »
Makes an awful lot of sense for all parties.  Opportunities at the Walks will be limited behind the three centre halves who started on Saturday plus Bowry is ahead of him for the spot on the bench.  Lowestoft being step 3 means he should be competing for a starting place and should get plenty of minutes there so we can see how much he improves over the course of the season, hopefully Jarv can be our 'eyes and ears' about who at that level might be worth a look.

General Discussion / Re: Incoming . . .
« on: August 26, 2021, 01:44:49 PM »
The article referred to above is here and describes Brett as a defensive midfielder "who has been praised by pundits for his range of passing and ability to dictate play" which certainly looked like the area we needed to strengthen after the weekend if the budget allowed.

General Discussion / Re: Sonny Carey
« on: August 25, 2021, 02:01:34 PM »
...Point is, I think the club failed to capitalise on Kelly’s obvious skill level, and this is a Dilly call to get him back, as we are now building a nippier passing team that he would thrive in….

Couple of problems with that Dilly.  Firstly Kelly didn't have 'obvious skill level' when he did play in NL games last season, I liked him and thought he showed potential but he never pushed on and games often seemed to pass him by.  Secondly IC has already said that is it for squad building this season, the budget has been used up, so we have to make the best of what we have

General Discussion / Re: Yeovil away
« on: August 25, 2021, 01:56:36 PM »
Not sure we missed King ?  King and Rowley together would lift our level, imho.  Rowley did look decent vs Southend, and I can see him thriving if supplied with King’s vision and ability.  We are on the verge of having a team that will trouble good sides in this league.

Rowley looked good in the first half because he could play in the gaps between the midfield and behind the front two, so where would you play King and who would you replace from Saturdays lineup?  I guess you could play both off Omotayo with Morias being out but that looks a lot of 'providers' and not many 'finishers'.  King and his injury record still looks a luxury to me that a small budget and resulting small squad is difficult to justify.

Also I am not sure we will 'trouble good sides' as I don't think Southend will be anything more than mid-table this season but if we can be competitive and consistently take points from those in the bottom half might be OK.

General Discussion / Media
« on: August 25, 2021, 01:11:18 PM »
Good news on the media front, the main page on the club's website now has a current squad photo replacing the picture of the squad from two years ago receiving the NLN trophy.

The club are also looking for various volunteers to help out on the media side which might be useful experience as the article suggest but I do worry that there isn't a 'guiding hand' there to oversee, advise and generally give some direction to the media output and the individuals producing it.

General Discussion / Re: Yeovil away
« on: August 25, 2021, 08:44:36 AM »
Not sure we missed King that much, Rowley looked good in the first half and he will only get better with more minutes, seemed a more rounded player than King ie actually looked to get involved when we didn't have the ball.  I think the bigger issue last Saturday was the front two which will have to change this week anyway, presumably with Linton getting his chance to stake a claim or, as we are away, will IC mix it up and just go with Gold up top and Gyasi and Rowley a bit deeper?  Either way the back three and both full backs did enough for me to keep their places and there doesn't seem much option in the middle of the park unless we bring Sundire in for a bit more 'legs'.

As for Yeovil, as you say it might be a good time to visit and would be happy to come away with a point

General Discussion / Re: Stadium Manager
« on: August 24, 2021, 11:19:57 AM »
MAH, Griss, thanks for clearing that up, I guess you won't be surprised that I won't now be wasting the fuel in travelling to Lynn for a 'social drink' on the 7th.

Isn't that where the best business gets done Tony?

Informally, over a few beers, where everyone gets a fair say rather than a formatted meeting controlled by someone who loves the sound of their own voice?

If you have 30 people in a bar, who all share a common goal,  add a few smiles and a little alcohol and watch what happens.

And remember, it's what happens between meetings that's important.

Meetings about meetings get sod all done other than ticking boxes and wasting everyone's time.

Guess we are going to agree to disagree and I have been involved in enough organisations and on committees to have a fair idea of what good and bad looks like.  A get together 'informally over a few beers' will, at best, give you a few anecdotal examples of things that 'could' be done which I suppose may be preferential to a badly run formal meeting (the type you describe). 

Whilst I appreciate what happens 'between meetings' is important, this isn't a committee meeting.  When the fans evening was originally proposed it was sold as a chance for current and potential members to come along and be part of setting the direction and agenda for the FOTL going forward and imo this would be best done with a proper 'open meeting' with a good chair, who says little, but controls the meeting to enable all voices to be heard and proper discussion of the issues raised

General Discussion / Re: Southend (21st August)
« on: August 24, 2021, 10:29:19 AM »
Hands up anyone who really believes the current position is sustainable.  Obviously Mr Hill does - anyone else apart from the owner?  “Investing” money in the club now is putting good money after bad I fear.  Sums raised by The Friends, believe me, won’t even scratch the surface.  The current scenario has been played out many times before by others and it only ends one way.  When that will be is anyone’s guess, but in my opinion it will be sooner rather than later.  Let’s hope I’m wrong.  Not so sure that the well know phrase “every little helps” is applicable in this case. Any other views?

This will sound hypocritical but I completely agree with your analysis whilst also having signed up to the 12th Man scheme because I believe in IC and his squad and it is my eyes a (very, very small) way of showing a bit of extra support (and yes, I know the money all goes to the financial black hole that is 'the club').  That is the lot of a football fan, even after the so-called reset of COVID doing completely irrational things in the name of supporting the club.  Unfortunately we find ourselves at step 1 without the resources or infrastructure to support that level and, it increasing appears to be, very little idea of how we might move towards getting the structures and finance in place to even support step 2.

General Discussion / Re: Stadium Manager
« on: August 24, 2021, 08:26:38 AM »
MAH, Griss, thanks for clearing that up, I guess you won't be surprised that I won't now be wasting the fuel in travelling to Lynn for a 'social drink' on the 7th.

General Discussion / Re: Stadium Manager
« on: August 23, 2021, 10:15:42 PM »
So a meeting called by FOTL is not FOTL meeting ?

Nope, FOTL open evening, open to all fans who wish to come along and have a beer or socialise a bit, maybe make a few suggestions about how they would like to see the FOTL go forward?

...we have nothing in the pipeline yet to speak of. This is one of the reasons for having an open evening,this gives fans an opportunity to make suggestions and put ideas forward,not just for possible ways to raise funds but also to make suggestions as to where those funds could be spent. :dontknow:

Griss, if it not to be a 'proper meeting' then perhaps this needs to be explained to fans before people spend their time and petrol in going to a 'social' event.  I expected (hoped) the meeting to be an opportunity for the committee to explain to members and non-members alike what they have planned for the future and to listen to fans about the sort of things they would a) like to support and b) give direction for where future funds raised could be spent.  Given how few fans (as a proportion of the average crowd) were members of the FOTL in prior years I would have thought this would have been a key requirement if the goal of expanding the membership is to be achieved.

General Discussion / Re: Southend (21st August)
« on: August 23, 2021, 02:02:30 PM »
Will leave my thoughts about off-field matters for another post (think it might be a long one)

On the field I thought we did well and like KES said, we looked like a proper NL side, albeit I think both teams will finish bottom half this season.  The two new centre halves looked better than what we had previously and McFadden looked better with them alongside him.  Both wing backs had good games and Jones pulled off some good saves when we pushed forward and left ourselves open at the back later on but disappointed that he adopted the Mair MO of not coming for crosses at any point during the game.  Thought the midfield two came out second best and not sure Sundire pushed his case for replacing either of them for the next game.  Rowley looked very good and most of our good play in the first half went through him, sticking him out on the wing when we changed formation didn't help him or the side imo.  Up front, IC said on Radio Norfolk that they were too far apart and I think that is probably an understatement and why this wasn't pointed out (or acted upon) during the game is anyones guess.  I didn't think any of the subs made much of an impact, Gyasi runs around quickly but no real end product and the others stuggled to get up to the pace of the game and I don't think the change in shape helped us as much as Southend adopting a 'sit back and hit them on the break' attitude.
Moving forward we looked a lot more solid at the back and the wing backs provided good outlets, unfortunately IC also said that this was it for the squad so we do look very thin if we get injuries and / or silly suspensions, maybe Linton will take his opportunity over the next three games?  Would like to see another midfielder in but if the budget won't allow it then we will just have to live with what we have but we have to try and move the ball quicker although that also needs better movement from those in front of them - hopefully another week of full-time training will address some of this ready for another couple of tests this coming weekend.

General Discussion / Re: F OT L open evening
« on: August 20, 2021, 02:04:26 PM »
...The rules of a club (often called its constitution) are critical; they determine how the officers and other management committee members of the club are appointed, and what powers they have. If  the rules aren’t followed then potentially the committee members aren’t appointed lawfully, and so their actions may not be lawful either.

This could result in the committee members being personally liable for the actions of the club.

The committee of the club must carry out the expressed wishes of the MEMBERS.

So, the FOTL's Supporters Club committee members can be held legally responsible, just like Trust committee members are.

Going to agree to disagree on this B&G.  Having read through the FOTL constitution, it is written very, very loosely and with no reference to taking into account the views of members other than at the AGM so there isn't much the FOTL committee could do that it couldn't be argued would fall within the stated Aims and Objectives

If they are not prepared to go to their members on such matters as major expenditure then I believe the Committee members will experience problems ahead and it could also affect the take up of new membership.

This is a separate point and one I would fully agree with and may be an indication of why the membership was where it was at the last AGM.  A couple of years ago the accounts had a full breakdown of purchases made for the benefit of the club (and included items for the reserves and ladies sides as well as the first team) but unfortunately a similar breakdown was not provided for the past two financial years at the last AGM.

General Discussion / Re: F OT L open evening
« on: August 20, 2021, 09:20:33 AM »
One of the main things I would like to be assured of is that as its an Independent Supporters Club, the committee is aware that they are responsible for reporting to its  members and not Mr Cleeve.

Hopefully he will not try to assert any pressure on them. If he wants something from them it should be in the form of a request and not a demand. Presumably before any  large ticket items are purchased, the members will be approached for their approval.

FOTL's working with and not for, Lynn FC Ltd.

B&G, the FOTL isn't set up in the same way as the Blue & Gold Trust in many ways (no statutory regulation, different ethos, different constitution, etc) so I don't think the members 'need' to be approached for approval of funds being moved to the club, indeed in many cases this movement is explicit in the promotion of the fundraising activity ie 12th Man was promoted specifically for player budget so it would seem unnecessary to then ask members when this money is given to the club.

I think the onus is on the FOTL committee to have a good handle on these sorts of questions prior to the meeting on the 7th September and people can then make informed decisions on a) joining and b) which activities they are going to support

General Discussion / Re: F OT L open evening
« on: August 20, 2021, 09:03:32 AM »
Malcolm, thanks for the committee list and roles

When asked who is in charge of fund raising all the fotlsc committee are,and all of the fans

Whilst this may be true in its widest sense, fundraising doesn't happen 'on its own' and generally needs to be co-ordinated and, in my experience, preferably by an individual who co-opts others for specific tasks rather than 'by committee'. 

Please could you give a summary of the current fundraising schemes that are up and running?  I know you are a new committee still finding it's feet but you have had two meetings since the AGM and the first home game is tomorrow and whilst transparency as to how the FOTL operates and where fundraising proceeds are directed is a laudable aim it is a bit irrelevant if fans are not aware of the various fundraising schemes - better to inform and publicise, not wait for fans to ask.

General Discussion / Re: F OT L open evening
« on: August 19, 2021, 02:11:12 PM »
Good to see the FOTL posting on here and glad there is now an open meeting in the diary.  Griss, whilst I think we all appreciate there is a new committee, hopefully some of you will have been on committees previously so will have some idea of how organisations operate and events are run?

One main question springs to mind when reading the posts - why are you fundraising and where do the committee envisage those funds being directed?

Also in the meantime will there be a FOTL presence in the ground (not being distracted by selling programmes before the game) promoting the fundraising that is ongoing such as the 12th Man and the Hundred club?

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