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General Discussion / Re: The season
« on: January 04, 2021, 01:51:16 PM »
There is a danger that Covid can scupper our season in the National League, with the call offs and trying to squeeze in the games , its starting to get silly, and I don't think the League is doing much to help us. Why the big hurry? Long treks away on Tuesday nights this time of year is unfair on a part time club which have players who have to work in the morning after.
The Covid outbreak is not getting better anytime soon. Halt the season for a few weeks, give everyone a chance to get vaccinated and restart when we know we are back to normal, and on the subject of government bailouts, as has been said on this post already, NO club should be allowed to sign more players while taking financial aid.       

Sorry Mac, but we shouldn't be treated any differently just because we have chosen to be part-time - we are at step 1 in the non-league pyramid and receive the government grants / tv money that comes with that and therefore also have to accept the commitments associated with it.  Appreciate that may well mean an additional burden on the players but that is what they signed up for at the start of the season and those that couldn't / didn't want to could have taken the same route as Henderson.

I think if the season is halted that will have to be it as there will be no way it can realistically be restarted, so the league has to either cut it's losses now or struggle on with probably more disruption in terms of individual clubs calling games off.  Guess much will depend on BT, what is written into players contracts in terms of the season ceasing early and the view around promotion / relegation to the EFL.  This latter point seemed to be the driver for carrying on last year and may well do so again this year but I still think step 2 should have been treated the same as step 3 and below last season and have seen nothing to change my mind since.

General Discussion / Re: Norfolk in Tier 4 from 0001 Boxing Day
« on: December 31, 2020, 02:36:28 PM »
Club have now changed it's mind and if you want a refund for the Notts County game you need to ask (unless you have already had your refund).  Changing the rules half way through the process seems a crazy option but I guess SC has a sensible reason why?  Full statement from the club:

"The football club has begun this week the refund process for the postponed Notts County fixture, due to have been played on Boxing Day at The Walks. However we have been contacted by supporters, of both clubs, who wished for us to keep their ticket money as a donation to King’s Lynn Town Football Club.

Around half of the refunds have been completed, but we have now suspended the process and ask that you contact our box office manager Zoe Sandle by sending an email to if you wish for a full refund, and she will issue one with immediate effect.

If you wish for the club to keep your ticket money as a donation you need to do nothing. We thank you in advance for your very kind gesture."

General Discussion / Re: January to March Finance
« on: December 29, 2020, 04:57:24 PM »
Mall, appreciate what you are saying but footballers contracts are not employment contracts that 'normal' businesses would deal with.  As an example, lets assume SC paid some sort of fee for Southwell when he signed (2 year deal?), he can only be placed on furlough with his agreement (as is the case for any employee) and if he doesn't agree the club have two options - pay him to contract or alter his pay (which may end up with a penalty from the league for breaking his contract) and risk him leaving for nothing.  That is my problem with the PFA - it is within their gift to allow player contracts to be amended in these uncertain time but they seem to be wanting to treat each club on a case by case basis which leaves clubs very exposed. 

It's all well and good saying clubs have to take responsibility for themselves, and I wouldn't disagree, but unless leagues and the PFA recognise that players wages might not be paid in full for the remainder of the season to enable clubs to be around next August then we are in a horrible game of who blinks first.

General Discussion / Re: January to March Finance
« on: December 29, 2020, 03:42:29 PM »
Tony,  I don’t quite follow what difference you are suggesting between Non League and League Clubs.

In an ideal world the PFA would accept they are part of the problem across all of football but given that seems unlikely, the difference between League and Non-league is that div 1 and div 2 sides have access, should they want it, to the money made available from the PL.  Whatever the rights and wrongs of this (and there are many) that isn't the case at steps 1 & 2 of non-league and given the hash the National League made of distributing the last lot of money I would imagine clubs are going to reach a pinch point pretty quickly into the new year. 

I appreciate that the NL situation is complicated by having a mix of full and part time players but after money was made available to allow steps 1 & 2 to commence we are now in the position where the situation has worsened but players contracts that activated on the first day of the season are still in place (those on multi-year deals won't have COVID breaks and I really have no idea if those on new deals would have them as standard).

General Discussion / Re: January to March Finance
« on: December 29, 2020, 02:17:01 PM »
It's a worldwide Pandemic.

Maybe unprecedented times calls for unprecedented action!  :dontknow:

Yes, but the PFA are the ones who need to take that action - I don't see how any individual club can make the changes necessary without coming to an arrangement with all of their players (Chester?) or the PFA coming up with a solution - even if it was just for non-league teams that would be a start but I am not holding my breath.  Without one or other of the options above effectively any club that 'cut it's cloth' now would be accepting all players could leave the club for nothing and would also probably incur some form of penalty from their respective league.  Basically whilst the PFA and leagues sit on their hands, it looks like individual clubs are just crossing their fingers and hoping they won't be the first domino to fall.

General Discussion / Re: January to March Finance
« on: December 29, 2020, 01:37:11 PM »
Unfortunately, much as many would like to see football clubs operate as 'normal businesses' - how many normal businesses have the terms and conditions of their employees dictated to by a union which operates across the whole industry and has the power to make one of a club's biggest assets completely worthless?  Until the PFA accepts that they are 'part of the problem' it will be very difficult for an individual club to reduce the wages to their playing staff without all of those players being able to walk away from their club with no consequences, admittedly many won't, but the threat of even a relatively few doing so has been enough to see clubs avoiding this at almost any cost.  Maybe the next round of grants / loans will be the final straw for many and a league(s) will take a stand on behalf of their clubs but I am not optimistic.

As for taking a break, this will be the equivalent of voiding the season imo as we can't be sure when it will be safe to return and even then there will still be outbreaks similar to the current position which with the combination of the already packed season and backlog of fixtures will make completing the 20/21 season almost impossible. 

KES, appreciate the sentiment about signing embargos but for every buyer there is also a seller and some clubs may be grateful for the opportunity to turn a player into cash to support the club's survival - making the pool of potential buying clubs (those with cash that don't need grants / loans) that much smaller will enable those clubs to force prices down and distort the market even more than they already do

General Discussion / Re: Podcast
« on: December 24, 2020, 03:10:29 PM »
The thing I found very interesting was that they have the same playing budget for their Ladies team as they do their senior men’s team, both of which have a budget of 2.5k per week.   SC seemed genuinely shocked at how little they were spending on players.

Seems ages since we were step 3 but actually only two seasons ago which shows how far we have come in such a short space of time and there will always be different budgets within divisions and across regions but I would imagine our promotion winning side was on a fair bit more than the £2.5K that Lewes are paying to be lower mid-table in the Isthmian Premier although it would be interesting to compare to what Buster was paying at the same level.

The other topic that SC brought up a few times was the relationship that Stuart Fuller had with his first team Manager, and seemed very impressed with the closeness of the relationship.   Hmmmmmmm

I got the impression that Stuart was closer in role to Robbie Back than SC so not unreasonable that he was more involved and he did say it was the manager's first management role having previously just been a coach, but it did make for interesting listening. 

I also thought the whole interview spoke volumes about how a fan-owned club 'could' work but it was pretty obvious they have some good people in key positions and with a board of ten all having authority to do their jobs and taking that responsibility on - certainly puts our off-field structure into some perspective.

General Discussion / Re: Podcast
« on: December 24, 2020, 01:41:21 PM »
Really interesting listening to Stuart Fuller from Lewes FC, seemed very open with how the club is run, it's ambitions and equally the constraints within which it opperates.  SC, as ever, keen to ask lots of questions and at times seemed a bit perplexed with some of the answers but no less interesting for that.

SC really has to be commended for continuing with these podcasts as it must be a drain on his time but he keeps coming up with good guests with something to say and he is also prepared to put forward things from a King's Lynn Town (his) perspective.

General Discussion / Re: New Signing - Michael Gyasi
« on: December 21, 2020, 06:12:47 PM »
Certainly has an interesting history for a 20 year old, albeit at acadamies and then lower down the pyramid.  The odd bit in the press release for me was that he was "not a direct replacement for Jamar Loza and we are still in the market for another player" which makes you wonder what opportunities Gyasi will get given that Power has had to fight for game time as have Kelly, Carey and King so we appear to have added another winger / attacking player and are still looking for another to replace the one we lost, although maybe that is just to take some pressure off a player moving up two steps when all the players are saying what a big jump it was from last year to this.

General Discussion / Re: Loza
« on: December 18, 2020, 06:11:34 PM »
Don't think there needs to be any 'slagging off' of Jamar, although I think it would be fair to say the signing wasn't a complete success mainly down to the side being chopped and changed meaning he never got to settle into a role.  Equally it did look a strange signing from the off if we were going to get Power back on loan again. 

Will be interesting to see what IC does given there was a fee involved and this also frees up some of the wages budget, does he replace like for like, strengthen elsewhere or settles with the squad he has for now?

General Discussion / Re: Saturday’s Trophy game now on at Alfreton
« on: December 18, 2020, 01:43:18 PM »
...Looking at the league, it looks like we’re comfortably good enough to stay out of the bottom three, but not good enough to get into the playoffs this year...

Whilst that may be true, I tend to agree with SC in his commentary last weekend when he said something along the lines of - it doesn't matter how good you are it's points that decide whether you go down or not.

I am with those above who think the league is the only thing this season and until we can put some daylight between us and those below we will always be looking over our shoulder - just find the table from a month ago when Chesterfield swapped their manager and where we are now to see how quickly things can change.  I am not saying the same will be true for Barnet and Flowers and we should only worry about ourselves which for me means getting minutes at the weekend into as many of the squad that haven't featured much lately, Marriott for one certainly looks like he needs 90 minutes, I would also start McAuley (if fit) and Fleming but not sure I would be risking Gash unnecessarily.

General Discussion / Re: Saturday’s Trophy game now on at Alfreton
« on: December 15, 2020, 05:20:11 PM »
Has anyone any idea of what the 'rules' regarding what happens when there is a COVID incident really are?  Every club / competition / league seems to have a different outcome to a positive case (can see why some Notts County fans still feel a little aggrieved).  Will this mean we will be on our travels midweek next week?

Update, just seen this from Blyth Spartans - having to withdraw due to a positive case (after dialogue with National League officials)

General Discussion / Re: Torquay
« on: December 15, 2020, 01:44:46 PM »
Totally agree that IC has been searching for the right combination and it would be great if we could have a settled side that, in turn, was capable of getting us to mid-table safety.  Lots of positives to come out of the Torquay game but not sure I would stick with the formation/personnel but appreciate others would have a different point of view.

For me the positives were (in no particular order) - Jones back which shored up one full back slot and Barrows did a good job at left back and with both centre-halves having good games and attacking the ball, which hasn't always been the case this season, we had a pretty solid back four, both wingers had their moments and created opportunities, Southwell ran his socks off and Gash brought others into play as, it appears, only he is capable of.  Perhaps the one single factor was all eleven 'put in a shift', whether that was down to fans being back, a rocket from IC or just the 'learning' that IC keeps referring to has finally sunk in who knows but that will now set the standard for the rest of the season, irrespective of personnel.

That said Torquay were pretty one-dimensional and never really tried to play through the midfield (open debate about how much that was due to our pressure, the conditions or just them having an 'off day') and didn't take the chances they created (again good work by Mair).  I can't see Notts County playing the same way in either fixture and Chesterfield are on a hell of a run since the appointment of their new manager so whatever side we put out over the next three league games we will be up against it.

General Discussion / Ownership models - pros and cons
« on: December 11, 2020, 09:01:55 AM »
Whilst the debate rages (well at least continues) about whether the we have set the price for the return of fans too high there have been a couple of developments at fan owned clubs that might add a bit of perspective.

The One Show on BBC last night had a feature on Chester with their chairman making a lot of sensible comments about being fan owned and the restrictions that is placing on them and the struggle they face getting through the season.  On a brighter note, I have just seen this from our league rivals Chesterfield who are asking fans to pay for extra equipment that wasn't in the budget and have raised £5K of the £10K target in 24 hours. 

Much as I am not a fan of the 'benefactor model', I really can't ever see a point where Lynn fans would be prepared to fund a team above step 3 (at best) so maybe others are right and we just need to enjoy the journey with SC and IC and not think about what happens when it goes pop

General Discussion / Re: Torquay Ticket Sales
« on: December 09, 2020, 07:07:01 PM »
The original pricing was a difficult decision and I think many clubs, not just Lynn, have been caught out by the lower than expected take up of tickets.  There are still plenty of fans who when weighing up the pros and cons will settle for the stream in the short term, personally as much as I miss standing on the terraces I can't justify going (at any price)

If we don't hit capacity (has it been officially confirmed @ 800?) for Torquay then maybe SC will have a rethink for kids / concessions for Notts County which would presumably be 1400 capacity barring any conduct this weekend that would stop any increase.

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