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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 27, 2020, 02:07:32 PM »
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For sale,best offer towards club funds.
Perhaps you could use them to raise money for that pint that you still owe me Griss :cheers:

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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 27, 2020, 11:20:15 AM »
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, Blame the Trust.

Seriously though, whenever there's trouble at mill, it seems to fuel an anti Trust campaign.
Is this just a smoke screen? to divert attention, only the instigators will know.  But it seems to much of
a coincidence to me.

Stan
 " A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed."

I too read that somewhere last night. But tonight it seems to have disappeared. Hmm dirty tricks dept?
"I too read that somewhere last night. But tonight it seems to have disappeared."  Comedy gold Marcus!  :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
A reliable source informs me that the original reference was on the club website at some point so I apologise for doubting the integrity of the person who made the original post: Mallard and also Marcus.
I still don't think that you can assume that players can necessarily afford to take a pay cut, however: life ain't that simple.

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 27, 2020, 11:09:16 AM »
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town-manager-paul-lambert-defers-wages-1-6581320

Nice gesture from Paul Lambert at Ipswich to try to keep others in a job.

 :clap:  :clap:   :clap:
It is a nice gesture but he can obviously afford to do it.

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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 27, 2020, 09:07:46 AM »
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, Blame the Trust.

Seriously though, whenever there's trouble at mill, it seems to fuel an anti Trust campaign.
Is this just a smoke screen? to divert attention, only the instigators will know.  But it seems to much of
a coincidence to me.

Stan
 " A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed."

I too read that somewhere last night. But tonight it seems to have disappeared. Hmm dirty tricks dept?
"I too read that somewhere last night. But tonight it seems to have disappeared."  Comedy gold Marcus!  :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:

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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 26, 2020, 11:22:06 AM »
A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed.   Only about 25% of the players will qualify for the Governments 80% wages scheme.  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.
What is your source for this? If this hasn't come directly from the chairman then it's no more than gossip which will undermine supporters' willingness to contribute themselves. If you don't have cast iron evidence for this statement then you should withdraw it.

The email trail the club has released on the website.
Would you please post on here what was said as I can find nothing about this on the club's website or the chairman's Twitter.
Admin. Would you please delete Mallard's original post as I believe it is unnecessarily provocative.

And so are you Stan.
Very constructive Jesus!

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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 26, 2020, 09:17:47 AM »
A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed.   Only about 25% of the players will qualify for the Governments 80% wages scheme.  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.
What is your source for this? If this hasn't come directly from the chairman then it's no more than gossip which will undermine supporters' willingness to contribute themselves. If you don't have cast iron evidence for this statement then you should withdraw it.

The email trail the club has released on the website.
Would you please post on here what was said as I can find nothing about this on the club's website or the chairman's Twitter.
Admin. Would you please delete Mallard's original post as I believe it is unnecessarily provocative.

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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 26, 2020, 07:51:38 AM »
https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/kings-lynn-town/king-s-lynn-player-s-generosity-1-6577517

This article suggests that the players are being perfectly reasonable.

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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 26, 2020, 07:47:43 AM »
A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed.   Only about 25% of the players will qualify for the Governments 80% wages scheme.  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.
What is your source for this? If this hasn't come directly from the chairman then it's no more than gossip which will undermine supporters' willingness to contribute themselves. If you don't have cast iron evidence for this statement then you should withdraw it.

The email trail the club has released on the website.
Would you please post on here what was said as I can find nothing about this on the club's website or the chairman's Twitter.

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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 26, 2020, 04:32:03 AM »
A few have apparently compromised but the majority have said pay me me what I知
Owed.   Only about 25% of the players will qualify for the Governments 80% wages scheme.  Plus of course the Club will have staff to pay 12 months a year.
What is your source for this? If this hasn't come directly from the chairman then it's no more than gossip which will undermine supporters' willingness to contribute themselves. If you don't have cast iron evidence for this statement then you should withdraw it.

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General Discussion / Re: CLUB STATEMENT + NEW JustGiving Donation Page
« on: March 26, 2020, 04:29:09 AM »
And as I've said before, players may depend upon their income from football. All people tend to spend in relation to their income: mortgages, cars etc. It's all so easy to post a couple of references to players from other clubs offering to take pay cuts and then making the generalisation that Lynn players must do the same! Everyone's personal situation is different. I still don't have any confidence in this line of argument. It's unjustified and will simply discourage fans from contributing: a point that I have made before.

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General Discussion / Re: Food for Thought
« on: March 25, 2020, 12:45:04 PM »
Thank you for taking the trouble to give this thorough overview of the situation. I hope the powers that be read it carefully.

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 25, 2020, 07:57:12 AM »
Didn稚 the Trust buy and pay for for the insulation of the 2 new sets of turnstiles during this season ?  Hardly the act of an unsupportive body.
That's very true, although I thought it was the fans who raised the money, admittedly via trust initiative and organisation. Are you suggesting that the trust have at least tried to work with the club but the club haven't tried to work with the trust?

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 25, 2020, 05:51:04 AM »
" if you're not with us you're against us type of thinking and arguments"

Stan, that has been the ideology of this clubs owners since its formation, Not the Trust. Both have been more than happy to be one man bands. Which you no doubt know.
I agree this problem is on both sides and I did say that both parties need to be more open minded.

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 25, 2020, 05:47:54 AM »
How much of a circle can this carry on going round? Has anyone actually emailed the trust to see what their position is,or emailed the club? :dontknow:
There's no circle Griss. Tony made a point about the trust coming across as a disgruntled safety net and I've just expanded that idea from my own perspective. We've moved on from the original point about the trust not doing anything to broader issues. Sorry, if that sounds patronising but you did ask.

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 24, 2020, 05:49:04 PM »
Whilst not being a Trust member I fully appreciate the need for them to be in place.   Of course I hope there is never a need for them to help mount a rescue plan.
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This is a fundamental problem for the B&G Trust, they have allowed themselves to be painted into a corner, first by Buster and now the present owner, marginalising them as a disgruntled safety net and nothing more.  Trusts at some other clubs have a much better working relationship with their club's owners and, in turn, have a much wider involvement with helping their club.  Hopefully, one day, this will also be true at Lynn, although I can't see it in the near future with how SC currently operates.
A disgruntled safety net is indeed how they come across, if I'm honest. I have seen a lot of implicit and explicit anti-club (in its current form) rhetoric on this forum over the last few years and would suggest that this hasn't helped the perception of the trust or their cause. I can recall being called Stephen Cleeve in the early days of his tenure simply because of playing devil's advocate and putting his case.
I like the idea of a trust in principle but would not wish to wed myself to a partisan: trust = good; sole-owner = bad or vice versa, as this tends to lead to reductive: if you're not with us you're against us type of thinking and arguments. For me the trust's ostensible intransigence at being ideologically against the sole-owner model is part of the problem. Personally, I don't care which model the club uses so long as it provides good quality and progressive football for the fans.
I support QPR. During the early '60s QPR's typical home attendance was about 4,000. Jim Gregory, a rich sole-owner came in and transformed the club to the extent that in 1976 they were vying for the old first division title and 35,000 watched them play Leeds at home.
Sole-owners aren't always the devils that some paint them. Perhaps both sides need to be a bit more open minded.

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