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General Discussion / Re: HITCHIN away
« on: February 28, 2017, 06:00:12 PM »
Just watched the horror video - truly embarrassing!

Rod  - I was there - yes Lynn were a shambles; we are all agreed on that. My bone of contention was that people judge to quickly.

The elephant in the room is of course Culverhouse.

 I once took over a team once half-way through a season, after a manager had left in "awkward circumstances." My side lost 4-0. I took my fair share of responsibility that day for a lacklustre performance because I had not carefully considered the mind set of the players and had not established the rapport with the players that you need to be able to motivate them. All players need motivating; you can't just put on a shirt and that's enough. The controlled aggression that footballers need isn't just there; you need to tap into it.

Why is no one asking questions about Culverhouse, whose positive credentials as a coach don't appear to extend to his man management by all accounts.

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General Discussion / Re: HITCHIN away
« on: February 27, 2017, 05:47:01 PM »
I can't believe what I'm reading on here. Guarantee most of the people on here who are putting some blame on the fans who travel week in week out haven't sung a song all season. There's a reason a lot of Lynn fans dislike a lot of people on here, you find the chance to have a dig at anything. Stan- come and speak to us at the next game and share your opinions? Us boys have travelled across the country this season supporting the team vocally. How about any fans that travel away stand with us and have a sing? Doesn't work like that does it- most of you will sit at home in your armchairs following the updates

Ultras - you are entitled to be angry and I apologise for what I said. I really enjoy hearing you guys singing. I think you are very witty and I respect the fact that you travel week in week out, as you say. I think The Fenman did a decent job trying to explain what I meant but I most certainly didn't mean to offend.

I suppose that I am fed up with some fans, mainly on here but also at matches sometimes, who have  tendency to kick the team when they're down. People are too quick to judge and far too slow to try and understand. I still can't believe that people will boo!

It's being implied on here, in the EDP, by the new manager and by the comments of some fans at matches, including away at Hitchin that the current Lynn players lack character. I don't accept this. One of the reasons why I packed up watching pro football about 7 or so years ago was because I was so impressed by the attitude and bottle of every King's Lynn team that I have watched since then. It's the passion and commitment of the players that makes me turn up each week and this season has been no different. Those players are passionate and proud to represent King's Lynn and it must be disheartening to read some of the criticism about their "lack of character."

I don't think fans should justify their criticism of a poor performance by the team on the basis that they've "paid good money" etc. The Blue and Gold Motto is "Supporters not Customers." I firmly adhere to that principle and don't think that we should treat the team like a commodity that has not fulfilled its purpose.

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General Discussion / Re: HITCHIN away
« on: February 26, 2017, 04:14:37 PM »


Walks - I was also at the match. You say that Hitchin are a "decent side;" Hitchin are an excellent side! They have only lost two matches in the league since the end of August and are the best SPL team that have played at The Walks this season.

You state that the players lacked conviction and effort.

Setchell has been manager for  - what is it 7 years  - and the players clearly had a strong bond with Setchell - you can tell this by the way that his sides have played for him over the years. This strong manager/player connection cannot be underestimated. Lynn, a goal down within 2 minutes, away from home, to the best team in the league, with no: Quigley, Stevenson or Hawkins and with all the emotional turmoil of this week, looked shell-shocked and were torn apart by a step 2 challenging Hitchin.

The second half, despite conceding early on was much better. Lynn compressed the pitch and put much more pressure on the ball. In the first half, they gave Hitchin far too much time and space. Hitchin clearly had the game won and were probably not fully "at it" in the second half but Lynn clearly improved and Culverhouse was clearly giving them instructions on the pitch that were having a positive impact.

The team that played yesterday are probably 3/4 players short of being a team that can compete with the best in the SPL. Yes, they were poor for much of the game yesterday but these are human beings not machines and I defy anyone to be able to come out of a week like the one they've had at Lynn without being emotionally scathed.

They'll get over it and Culverhouse  (with the addition of 3/4 new players) will improve them.

Stan

I understand that football is all about opinions and we all see things from different perspectives - that's why the game as a whole is so wonderful!!
And just to clarify, when I called Hitchin a "decent" side, I did mean that they are a good side.

I don't dispute that Culverhouse may well get things right with the addition of 3-4 new additions

I don't dispute that some players have been "emotionally scathed" by the events of last week, but it still doesn't make an excuse for the half hearted shift that they put in yesterday - it was unacceptable.

When we lost 6-1 at home to Weymouth it was a bad day all round, but at least on that day, you could see the players were trying, it was just that nothing came off for them, yet they showed character and kept going..

For that team that wore Kings Lynn shirts yesterday, where was their own personal pride??
Pride for the club??
Respect for the fans??

It was nowhere to be seen and if that's because they are sulking because Setch has gone, it makes it even worse for me - surely they would know as players that everyone has a clean slate?? Everybody has the same opportunity to impress the new boss??

How often do we see in football when a team sacks their manager, the team responds immediately, the "honeymoon period" for the manager commences and everybody gets a lift??
I'm sure players at those clubs could also have been "emotionally scathed", yet they respond in a much better way than we did yesterday.

I see on Twitter that Culverhouse has apologised to the travelling fans and said we will never see another performance like that again.......I accept that apology and I'm looking forward to this Saturday. I'm also looking forward to how this will evolve in the future.

Please don't think this is me having a pop at you personally, because it isn't - your post was well structured and I agree with some of your points.

It was just that bloody rabble yesterday that made me so  :swear: angry!!

Onwards and upwards!!

Another ingredient in their nervy performance may have been the Culverhouse factor. It is unusual for a side to play so badly in front of a new manager; I wonder if his football status - his credentials are hugely impressive for this level  - was intimidating to the players. Add this to the other factors that I've cited and you have a cocktail for disaster.

If that is so surely it calls into question the character of some? One thing that for me has been lacking for a while is obvious leadership on the pitch to galvanise and organise when the going gets tough. The last person who consistently fulfilled that role IMO was Ross Watson, who though not the greatest player led from the front irrespective of who was wearing the armband. Too often in the recent pass when things have gone pear shaped this has resulted in certain players only showing passion through blaming one another.

Rod - I agree that there is a case for a strong leader on the pitch  - agree also about Ross Watson - he was superb in that role. With regard to finding Culverhouse an intimidating presence because of his credentials, this may have been one factor amongst many.

Some are too quick to get on the players backs at Lynn, either on here or at The Walks. These fans also need to take some responsibility. There was plenty of singing at the start of the game from the Lynn fans but it went very quiet very quickly once Hitchin had scored. This will also have a negative impact on the players.

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General Discussion / Re: HITCHIN away
« on: February 26, 2017, 03:56:16 PM »


Walks - I was also at the match. You say that Hitchin are a "decent side;" Hitchin are an excellent side! They have only lost two matches in the league since the end of August and are the best SPL team that have played at The Walks this season.

You state that the players lacked conviction and effort.

Setchell has been manager for  - what is it 7 years  - and the players clearly had a strong bond with Setchell - you can tell this by the way that his sides have played for him over the years. This strong manager/player connection cannot be underestimated. Lynn, a goal down within 2 minutes, away from home, to the best team in the league, with no: Quigley, Stevenson or Hawkins and with all the emotional turmoil of this week, looked shell-shocked and were torn apart by a step 2 challenging Hitchin.

The second half, despite conceding early on was much better. Lynn compressed the pitch and put much more pressure on the ball. In the first half, they gave Hitchin far too much time and space. Hitchin clearly had the game won and were probably not fully "at it" in the second half but Lynn clearly improved and Culverhouse was clearly giving them instructions on the pitch that were having a positive impact.

The team that played yesterday are probably 3/4 players short of being a team that can compete with the best in the SPL. Yes, they were poor for much of the game yesterday but these are human beings not machines and I defy anyone to be able to come out of a week like the one they've had at Lynn without being emotionally scathed.

They'll get over it and Culverhouse  (with the addition of 3/4 new players) will improve them.

Stan

I understand that football is all about opinions and we all see things from different perspectives - that's why the game as a whole is so wonderful!!
And just to clarify, when I called Hitchin a "decent" side, I did mean that they are a good side.

I don't dispute that Culverhouse may well get things right with the addition of 3-4 new additions

I don't dispute that some players have been "emotionally scathed" by the events of last week, but it still doesn't make an excuse for the half hearted shift that they put in yesterday - it was unacceptable.

When we lost 6-1 at home to Weymouth it was a bad day all round, but at least on that day, you could see the players were trying, it was just that nothing came off for them, yet they showed character and kept going..

For that team that wore Kings Lynn shirts yesterday, where was their own personal pride??
Pride for the club??
Respect for the fans??

It was nowhere to be seen and if that's because they are sulking because Setch has gone, it makes it even worse for me - surely they would know as players that everyone has a clean slate?? Everybody has the same opportunity to impress the new boss??

How often do we see in football when a team sacks their manager, the team responds immediately, the "honeymoon period" for the manager commences and everybody gets a lift??
I'm sure players at those clubs could also have been "emotionally scathed", yet they respond in a much better way than we did yesterday.

I see on Twitter that Culverhouse has apologised to the travelling fans and said we will never see another performance like that again.......I accept that apology and I'm looking forward to this Saturday. I'm also looking forward to how this will evolve in the future.

Please don't think this is me having a pop at you personally, because it isn't - your post was well structured and I agree with some of your points.

It was just that bloody rabble yesterday that made me so  :swear: angry!!

Onwards and upwards!!

Another ingredient in their nervy performance may have been the Culverhouse factor. It is unusual for a side to play so badly in front of a new manager; I wonder if his football status - his credentials are hugely impressive for this level  - was intimidating to the players. Add this to the other factors that I've cited and you have a cocktail for disaster.

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General Discussion / Re: HITCHIN away
« on: February 26, 2017, 03:44:17 PM »
St Neots and Banbury away also. That's 4 bad beatings.  Offset against some great Victories.  Real curates egg.

The St Neots and Banbury games were at the very start of the season. Lynn (you could tell this from pre-season) had not got their act together as a side. This can happen sometimes at the start of the season - 3 of Hitchin's 5 defeats this season occurred in August.

The Weymouth game was more a catalogue of errors from a side that were definitely trying.

Hitchin - well, I have already said my piece on this match.

I don't see any connection between these four defeats: they all arose due to different circumstances.

I don't see enough evidence from results across the season so far and from the games that I have watched - all the home matches and three away - to make a case that this Lynn team are fragile or lacking in desire, "bottle" or motivation. No one has come out and explicitly said this but that is what is being implied on some posts.

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General Discussion / Re: HITCHIN away
« on: February 26, 2017, 03:27:25 PM »
Getting draws and going unbeaten wasn't the problem.

What was the problem Adam?

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General Discussion / Re: HITCHIN away
« on: February 26, 2017, 03:06:23 PM »
Spot on Stanley, so I think that speaks volumes.  Nothing to do with ability is it.

No Mallard: it's to do with the reasons that I've already outlined in an earlier post on this thread.

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General Discussion / Re: HITCHIN away
« on: February 26, 2017, 01:45:38 PM »
I would suggest  Culverhouse will have learned more about what he has inherited in this 5-0 thrashing than he would about a 1-0 victory.  Let's not forget this same team/squad lost 6-1 at home only a few short weeks ago.

Let's not also forget that this same team, after losing 6-1, got a point away at Merthyr only three days later and have remained unbeaten until yesterday.

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General Discussion / Re: HITCHIN away
« on: February 26, 2017, 09:16:26 AM »
I went today and that "performance" was a complete shambles - think Weymouth at Home, then double it and times it by ten........and it still wasn't anywhere near as bad as today's "effort"

But for me, the blame doesn't lie with the new manager (or even the old one) it was the players who from one to eleven let the club down, the fans down, themselves down.

Hitchin are a decent side and I've always said that I can accept defeat, as losing is part of football - from the very top to the bottom.

However, what I cannot and will not accept is lack of effort and conviction - and those players today were embarrassing......only those of us who were unfortunate enough to be there will be able to emphasise just how bad they were.

In the Second Half, Steve Cleeve came and spoke with some of us fans - now I'm always sceptical of our chairman (until proven otherwise) but he didn't have to do that, I think he genuinely shared our pain today.

The one positive from today is that Ian Culverhouse will now see what he has inherited, it's a sharp wake up call for him - I did notice that pre match he spoke on the pitch to each player individually which seemed that little bit more professional.......but obviously didn't have any benefit in the long run!!
The warm up was slightly different too.

Next week vs Stratford will be interesting to say the least!!

Walks - I was also at the match. You say that Hitchin are a "decent side;" Hitchin are an excellent side! They have only lost two matches in the league since the end of August and are the best SPL team that have played at The Walks this season.

You state that the players lacked conviction and effort.

Setchell has been manager for  - what is it 7 years  - and the players clearly had a strong bond with Setchell - you can tell this by the way that his sides have played for him over the years. This strong manager/player connection cannot be underestimated. Lynn, a goal down within 2 minutes, away from home, to the best team in the league, with no: Quigley, Stevenson or Hawkins and with all the emotional turmoil of this week, looked shell-shocked and were torn apart by a step 2 challenging Hitchin.

The second half, despite conceding early on was much better. Lynn compressed the pitch and put much more pressure on the ball. In the first half, they gave Hitchin far too much time and space. Hitchin clearly had the game won and were probably not fully "at it" in the second half but Lynn clearly improved and Culverhouse was clearly giving them instructions on the pitch that were having a positive impact.

The team that played yesterday are probably 3/4 players short of being a team that can compete with the best in the SPL. Yes, they were poor for much of the game yesterday but these are human beings not machines and I defy anyone to be able to come out of a week like the one they've had at Lynn without being emotionally scathed.

They'll get over it and Culverhouse  (with the addition of 3/4 new players) will improve them.



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General Discussion / Re: Former Lynn defender on the lash during match
« on: February 14, 2017, 03:14:20 PM »
I agree with you Mallard and touche for throwing my own line back at me, although I'm not sure how the glass half full/empty analogy applies to what I'm saying but it's good to see that you remember some of my comments; glad they've had an impact.




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General Discussion / Re: Former Lynn defender on the lash during match
« on: February 14, 2017, 12:44:55 PM »
I do agree with rebuilding for next season Mallard. Just wanted to keep the promotion dream alive for as long as possible. I know that I was being unrealistic. The trouble is that rebuilding requires experimentation and risk-taking: learning from mistakes but some supporters won't tolerate mistakes and will start getting on the back of the manager if results are not good. Then attendances will drop and so on and so forth.

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General Discussion / Re: Former Lynn defender on the lash during match
« on: February 14, 2017, 12:13:01 PM »
As long as criticism is constructive and praise given where warranted, surely there is no problem with that, except perhaps for those with an agenda? After the humiliation of the Weymouth defeat much of what was posted was surely justified?

Agreed. It was justified....however I can't remember a lot of the forum users being so quick to praise the Slough & Leamington performances.
Agreed Paul: not enough positivity  about Setchell and the team on here.

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General Discussion / Re: Former Lynn defender on the lash during match
« on: February 14, 2017, 11:47:00 AM »
As long as criticism is constructive and praise given where warranted, surely there is no problem with that, except perhaps for those with an agenda? After the humiliation of the Weymouth defeat much of what was posted was surely justified?

Fans were entitled to be disgruntled after a drubbing like the Weymouth game Rod but all the "Setch out" nonsense was an hysterical over-reaction, in my view. Lynn's form since then has demonstrated that it was, indeed, an hysterical over-reaction.

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General Discussion / Re: Former Lynn defender on the lash during match
« on: February 14, 2017, 10:11:52 AM »
Good to see Gary Mills has started to turn things around at Corby. A few on here seemed to get some sort of pleasure out of his early doors failings

Morning Mallard.

I was the only one, as you no doubt clearly recall, who offered any form of challenge to the idea that Gary Mills' departure was nothing short of a disaster for Lynn. I pointed out that whilst he was Lynn's coach our form hadn't been great and that Corby were losing all their matches. I questioned his effectiveness as a coach, that was all, and no one was able to offer evidence to support the idea that Mills was an effective coach. Corby are now doing well and, after their terrible run, this is impressive; Mills should be congratulated.

I gained no "sort of pleasure" out of his troubles; my point was always to try and offer a bit of balance to a very one-sided argument that I satirised as being a form of Linnet Fundamentalism.

It could be argued that all the negativity on this forum following the 1-6 loss to Weymouth evidenced that quite "a few on here seemed to get some sort of pleasure out of" Lynn losing, as it enabled them to criticise Gary Setchell's management!

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General Discussion / Re: Former Lynn defender on the lash during match
« on: February 13, 2017, 10:08:48 PM »
This is probably a better link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38956473

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