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General Discussion / Re: Well done Kings Lynn
« on: March 17, 2020, 04:18:07 PM »
Itís a sad reflection of our country at present, and has been to a certain extent for too many years.  Some sympathy for the accused, though I donít feel it myself,  may be found when we realise that his attitude is prevalent in too high a percentage of our population, and to such an extent that he may not even realise the impropriety of his behaviour.  Racism is a societal problem, and not the fault of football.
Well said!

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 17, 2020, 04:13:39 PM »
Season ticket holders have already done that Stan, will they be refunded?

I would hope season tickets holders wonít look for any monies to be returned.  The same as sponsors, based advertisers etc.  Itís not the Clubs fault that the season has ended.

The ones that really should hang their head in shame are those who cheated the club by obtaining entry at Under 16 admission rates.  Wasnít there also one Supporter of the club who obtained free admission as a helper to a blue badge holder, even when the blue badge holder didnít attend.   Lowest of the low


Whilst the behaviour of those individuals is reprehensible, financially it won't be as significant as Johnson denying the entertainment industry the chance to claim through insurance. Blaming the people who cheated their tickets is a bit like blaming benefit cheats for problems in the economy when benefit fraud is a drop in the ocean compared to the money Johnson's mates swindle away from the taxpayer. It would be a terrible irony if some Lynn fans voted for Johnson only to see his insurance decision bring the club we all love, crashing to the ground.

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 17, 2020, 04:01:05 PM »
Unprecedented times this, and could end up having wide scale long term impacts on football at this level.

Indeed they are. I wonder if this will be a wake up call for non league clubs, so that irrespective of what happens now, they don't spend what they don't have in the future?   :dontknow:
So, if Lynn go down it will be no more than they deserve?

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 17, 2020, 01:29:58 PM »
Is there any insurance? The government are currently being rightly critised for not forcing entertainment industries like cinemas to close but rather recommending it and making them close voluntarily. Voluntary closure makes an insurance claim impossible. Are Lynn covered by the same restrictions on a possible insurance claim? Has Johnson pretty much guaranteed that some entertainment industries will fail?

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 17, 2020, 12:58:31 PM »
Would fans be prepared to pay the equivalent of the remainder of the home attendances for example. £15 X the number of home games paid at the time that the match would have been paid. I think I could live with that as I would have paid that money anyway. Perhaps the players could take a little less? It could all contribute.

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 17, 2020, 12:54:38 PM »
Government announcing later plans to help Companies and individuals through this crisis.  Hopefully the youngsters will have things like their mortgages frozen.   Not sure how far down the list Non League Football Clubs will come.  My guess is a long way.

Think The Chairman will be making plans of his own to keep this club alive, going forward  Hopefully he is not going to rely on handouts from Boris.   We have an average gate of 1400 who hopefully can help
If and when they are able.  Plus players and other staff members  who have had good money out of the club will also play their part in helping the Club come through this.  Factor in The Chairman, The Trust and The Friends plus The  FA Support.   If all of those mentioned come to the table then we have a good chance.
I wouldn't describe help from the government as a "handout" Mallard. Makes it sound like it's his money. There's plenty of money in our system if the government chooses to redistribute some of it. Reece-mogg and co: it's about time you paid your tax on tax free investments!
But I agree that this is a team effort and all should do their bit in relation to their capacity to help.

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 17, 2020, 11:31:52 AM »
I wonder if the trust would be prepared to help the club out. After all, this situation isn't down to poor planning or management but unforeseen circumstances beyond the planning and control of anyone.

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General Discussion / Re: The problem football clubs are now facing.
« on: March 17, 2020, 11:16:49 AM »
I think many are now expecting the season to finish early one way or another, and not to start up again in a couple of weeks time.

If that is the case there's certain problems that will be obvious, such as the loss of match day revenue. The knock on effect could be huge. Hopefully finances are in place to meet the financial commitments until the end of the season, but what position will we (and other Clubs) be in to kick off the new season, irrespective of the level we will be playing at?

Lots to think about.
Government found money for the bankers. It will tell you masses about this government's attitude to the "smaller" people in the way they address these financial consequences.

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General Discussion / Re: If the season finishes early.......
« on: March 16, 2020, 06:54:22 PM »
As an idea it seems fair to those who have played well and achieved points likely to get them promoted with no impact on relegation. No one loses out with this method.

At some point there will be a league with less teams - do they not lose out?  I really don't think you can talk about 'likely', I would rather deal in what is, and the simple truth is without completing a season it is unfair to assume anything so unless any side has already achieved automatic promotion we should just start again in August.  This is doubly true at step 2 and below where teams have far less control over their (part-time) players.
Liverpool are 25 points clear Tony. I think most people would argue that Liverpool winning the Prem is likely.
Teams who are currently in promotion positions have a medium to higher chance of promotion and denying them promotion is clearly more significant than denying those who have slimmer chances. So, it seems fairly reasonable that those currently in promotion places should be promoted. Neither method is perfect but I would argue that those currently in promotion positions lose more by not being promoted than those currently outside promotion positions. Take a points per game average.

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General Discussion / Re: If the season finishes early.......
« on: March 16, 2020, 06:35:10 PM »
As an idea it seems fair to those who have played well and achieved points likely to get them promoted with no impact on relegation. No one loses out with this method.

At some point there will be a league with less teams - do they not lose out?  I really don't think you can talk about 'likely', I would rather deal in what is, and the simple truth is without completing a season it is unfair to assume anything so unless any side has already achieved automatic promotion we should just start again in August.  This is doubly true at step 2 and below where teams have far less control over their (part-time) players.
Liverpool are 25 points clear Tony. I think most people would argue that Liverpool winning the Prem is likely.

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General Discussion / Re: If the season finishes early.......
« on: March 16, 2020, 03:57:34 PM »
I can't see any fairer option than to declare the 2019-20 season void, particularly at non-league level.  Just won't be practical to ask non-league to play on into June or even July and given that currently no-one has 'clinched' a promotion can't claim to have lost what hasn't yet earned. 

Also can't see the promotion but no relegation being a practical solution, all it does is increase the Premier League (and reduces the teams in the lowest league it would apply to) when they already complain about the number of games they play.

Bury situation is a difficult one and think fairest would be to carry on with the status quo for another year, although given the rumoured state of finances at a number other league clubs the impact of this virus may create further gaps in the pyramid.
I read it in the Mail and the Telegraph so presumably it's being considered but who can trust the media these days.
As an idea it seems fair to those who have played well and achieved points likely to get them promoted with no impact on relegation. No one loses out with this method.

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General Discussion / Re: If the season finishes early.......
« on: March 16, 2020, 03:54:19 PM »
I can't see any fairer option than to declare the 2019-20 season void, particularly at non-league level.  Just won't be practical to ask non-league to play on into June or even July and given that currently no-one has 'clinched' a promotion can't claim to have lost what hasn't yet earned. 

Also can't see the promotion but no relegation being a practical solution, all it does is increase the Premier League (and reduces the teams in the lowest league it would apply to) when they already complain about the number of games they play.

Bury situation is a difficult one and think fairest would be to carry on with the status quo for another year, although given the rumoured state of finances at a number other league clubs the impact of this virus may create further gaps in the pyramid.
I read it in the Mail and the Telegraph so presumably it's being considered but who can trust the media these days.

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General Discussion / Re: If the season finishes early.......
« on: March 16, 2020, 10:41:36 AM »
In season 39/40 the Leagues were abandoned after each team had played 3 games. With GB declaring war on Germany.   The League resumed again for the 46/47 season.

The idea of no relegation but Promotion might well be a sensible outcome.    Will give a feel good factor to a lot of Clubs and supporters.  Not to mention much needed increase in revenue for next season.

Iíd vote for that one any day.

Promotions without relegations, with the now wonky leagues being sorted out by having additional drop spots in the next year, does seem like the best solution overall, now that Iíve seen it.
What's the problem with it Loughborough?

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General Discussion / Re: If the season finishes early.......
« on: March 16, 2020, 08:56:59 AM »
One idea from the premier League is that Liverpool are to be awarded the title, no teams to be relegated and Leeds and West Brom promoted. The premier League will be larger. Presumably, league 1 top two will also go up with no relegations. If that approach is followed down the leagues then surely KL will be promoted?

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General Discussion / Re: If the season finishes early.......
« on: March 16, 2020, 08:44:25 AM »
.......3 options as far as I can see:

1) The positions stand as they are today.

2) Decided on points v games played.

3) All leagues for 2019/20 are null and void.


Obviously option 2 would Favour the Linnets.

Imo, as I think its the most fair option overall, I'll go for option 3.






I would like to suggest a 4th option. The most any team has played is 34 games I believe. Bring each team up to that using the points per game ratio....a small change in points for each club. Make that the starting point for next season and aggregate next season's points on top, so that at the end the table shows the results for 76 games
That's a very sensible idea. Have the leagues ever been stopped early before, I wonder, and if so what happened then?

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